I am Creek Indian. My family fought against the Europeans for
hundreds of years and it was a losing fight. After the Civil War, the
federal government of the US decided to rout out the last of the
resistance, and my ancestors were faced with choices: 1) Death.
The reality was that the Indian nations in no way had anything like
the military might to defeat the US. AT BEST they could have
continued to fight a guerrilla war, keeping themselves in grinding
poverty and throwing away their lives and futures and those of their
children. 2) Being moved to reservations. 3) Assimilate into the new
nation as citizens.
Thank GOD my ancestors were wise enough to choose wisely, and
we became US citizens. As my Grandfather told me when I was
starting to learn about our history, "You have a choice. You can
choose to live in the past, in bitterness and anger, or you can choose
to excel in the world as it exists today. If you live in the past, you
are only hurting yourself. The people living today bear no guilt for
what happened generations before. They were born into today's
world the same way you were. Hating them would be unjust, and
only hurts you. Choose instead to excel in today's world as best you
can."
And frankly the US is far superior to the world of my ancestors in
myriad ways (I am not excusing what went before, simply
recognizing the reality). The lifespan of a Creek used to be less than
36 years. Infant mortality was 9 in 10. We were semi-nomadic
hunter-gatherers. Starvation was common & part of life. The "noble
savage" is a PC myth. An invention of propaganda. I wouldn't want
to live that way and would fight anyone trying to force me to do so.
As a result, our family has prospered beyond the wildest dreams of
my ancestors. My Grandparents lived into their 80's and 90's with
one exception, and he was killed in an accident. My parents are in
their 80's now. Active and healthy. Of the six children they had, all
are living, and all have masters or doctorate level educations and are
financially successful. Of the 22 grandchildren, all are living, and all
those who are old enough are in college on academic scholarships.
I am proud to be a US citizen. An American.
The point is this: Palestinians. You have the same choice. Israel is a
reality. Your decades long efforts to destroy it have been miserable
failures and have only really served to show how laughably one-
sided that conflict is. At one time, decades ago, I had some
sympathy for you. No longer. I grew up watching the efforts to help
you. You've stupidly spit in the face of those efforts every time. You
pick a fight, then go whining to the press when you start getting
your behind kicked. Over and over. It is pathetic. And who are you
really hurting?
Israel is doing just fine, thank you very much. Israel has real
universities, real industry. Israel contributes to the advancement of
science and technology. Israel is a Republic where anyone who is a
citizen has a vote. Women aren't forced to live in mobile tents, and
aren't killed for trying to get an education. If I had to choose today
which culture I want there, then I am going to choose them 10 times
out of 10.
So you can continue living in your past, which is about as accurate
as the "noble savage" myths the PC crowd tried to sell me as a
child, or you can grow up & show you ACTUALLY care about your
children & quit committing mass suicide.
I don't doubt that MOST Palestinians would rather live in a 1st world
country with clean water, good sewer systems, plentiful food, easily
achievable education. So really, this appeal is to you. The radicals in
your midst are screwing you. They have been screwing you for 40+
years, and they are never going to stop. Choose civilization. Choose
a future for your children.
What does that mean? If you are in Israel, thank your lucky stars,
and start benefiting from living in a first world country rather than
trying to return it to the stone age. If you are not in Israel, but you
can see people who are firing rockets into Israel, take them out.
Report their locations. Band together with neighbors who don't
want to be bombed or shelled, and kill the people responsible for
drawing the fire to your neighborhood.
Because lets be real. This is all over but the dying. Israel is there,
and it is there to stay. If you keep attacking them, then the most
likely outcome will be the "genocide" you seem so hell-bent on
asking for. Only it won't be genocide, it will be mass suicide.
Quit being 1d1ots and actually prove you care about your children.
thanks

my friend pack well
Islam is falsehood that rely on the bible for credibility
we Christian have nothing in common with Muslim
we even prefer a babalawo to a Muslim because no babalawo attack a church to kill Christian
every Bible prophecy concerning Israel has come to pass
the one the world is waiting for now is the peace accord between Arab and Israel
that peace accord will last 7years after which Israel will come under attack from Muslim Arab

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they (Israel) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Israel on the verge of defeat will call on the Messiah
then Jesus shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel to defeat the Antichrist

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

there is someone here that has just converted he needs a suicide vest or AK 47 or a sword can you help out

those that despise good things always lack them
stop hating, get a life

in the old testament, God chose Israel to spread his righteous message across the word. even at that when Israel sined against God he brought plagues upon them, he even gave them as captives to their enemies
then in the new testament God sent Jesus to redeem us to God out of every race, tribe, nation and people.
Revelation 5:9 and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

we are all equal before God, anybody that does his will is acceptable to him and he is the Israel of God .Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

the following verses testify to the fact that God is not a respecter of persons

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Ephesians 6:9 knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

Colossians 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work

Colossians 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

Swiftboy: I think the original muslims should declare Jihad on terrorism if they're following the quran faithfully.My point is since Jihad is a struggle over oppression,they should come up with ways to cob it as its becoming a synonym with the religion as far as the secular world is concerned. I have muslims around me who'll stake their life that their's no terrorism in Islam.

that is the problem i have with them
they are living in denial
it's like Christian saying there saying there is no gay in Christianity

EMILO2STAY: my brother lets not argue over this...its a well known fact that catholics dont pay tithe neither do their priest preach tithe from malachi 3.8, i was born and baptized into the catholic church so u are not talking to a novice,i am aware in recent times some fraudulent priest in nigeria intruduced tithe to the catholic church but that is not a catholic doctrine . The zakat in islam is simply voluntary alms giving for charity purpose and not compulsory 10% of their income.

so some Catholic priests now introduce their own doctrines into the Catholic Church, i thought the Catholic Church is a universal church
well, thanks for opening our eyes to these FRAUDULENT PRIESTS in the Catholic Church

who told you catholic don't pay tithe
i used to pay tithe when i was in the Catholic Church they even have a register for tithe
my sisters are still catholic and they pay tithe
my dad was a Muslim i can remember he used to give zakat he also gave offering regularly in the mosque

DrummaBoy:

Have you ever seen a Catholic unhappy worshipping Mary?

Have you ever seen a Mohammedian unhappy worshipping Allah?

Have you ever seen a Hinduist unhappy worshipping cows?

Have you ever seen an animist unhappy placing "ebo" in a T-junction?

Do you think Saul of Tarusus was unhappy as a Judaist?

Have you ever seen a religionist unhappy about doing works?

Its not about happiness in what you do; its about whether what is done in the name of religion has a foundation in scripture.

And as for this tithe of a thing... naaa, far from it.

it's the word that changes people
preach the word only
campaign can not stop anything
has anti abortion campaign be able to stop abortion
has anti gay campaign be able to stop gay
some Catholics, hinduist, Mohammedan ete have heard the word and have converted
speek the word only
there's no amount of campaign that can stop a Catholic from worshipping mary or Muslim from worshiping Allah
those that have been converted are those that heard the word
thanks

Swiftboy: but its written in the quran that whoever kill one has killed a nation...how's this supporting terrorism? Beside we cant say the fact that there are few bad eggs,then generalize! There are still cool muslims out there.

same old story and denial
have you ever asked yourself what is in Islam that is driving people to terrorism, if Muslim can for once be sincere with themselves they ll be able to find solution to the menace called terrorism
not living in denial

change the topic ISLAM IS THE BREEDING GROUND FOR TERRORISM

the old testament was written to the JEWS
the new testament was written to Christian
the non tithers believe tithing has been abolished with the law
while tithers believe because Abraham gave tithe to melchesedec Christian are required to give tithe to jesus who is our high priest and melchesedec in a figure
the tithe issue shouldn't be a problem in Christiandom
we Christian are to follow strictly the new testament
the tithe issue is causing controversy because it was mentioned even in the new testament especially Hebrew 7 and Mathew 23:23
tithers also believe when christ said AND NOT LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE in mathew 22:23 he was referring to tithe
thanks

How is that sane? So nonvirgins or those who've engaged in premarital sex should never be married?

they can marry
the rule here is that because they heve defiled the marriage bed they should seperate for at least 3months and seak for forgiveness there after the can come back and marry
all these things dont really make sense to a reprobate mind

frosbel:

Okay, I will keep quiet and allow my brethren suffer in silence and allow the Pastors carry out their crimes undercover.

By the way , many atheists see the nonsense that is wrong with so many of the religious myths that the brainwashed Christians in Nigerian stubbornly adhere to .

"No wonder the Scriptures say, "The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you." - Romans 2:24

i you ever seen a tither that is not happy paying tithe
i am a tither, am happy about it and nothing can change my mind about tithing because i ve seen the benefit
i heve friends that are not tithers and they claim they are happy about it too
let's channel our energy to something else
let's print track to preach the gospel
the fact that pagan and Muslim are joining u in this is enough reason to have a rethink
there is this saying in my place IT'S ONLY A BASTARD CHILD THAT DESCRIBES HIS FATHER'S HOUSE WITH HIS LEFT HAND
the Church of God is our father's house
let's pray for revival in the church
let's not try to do the work of the Holy Spirit for him
thanks

frosbel, is tithe the only unscritural doctrines in our churches today
what about mary worship, bowing to graven images, indecent dressing, immorality, etc
the fact that pagan9ja is supporting you in this should make you think twice
you are not the head of the Church, Jesus the head of the church is alive, he himself drove those doing buying and selling in the temple
he is still here by the Holy Spirit, he knows what to do, don't try to do the work of the Holy Spirit for him - it's dangerous
don't allow Muslim and pagan join u to fight the Church because we don't really care what goes on in their coven
whether tithe is scriptural or not leave it to christ to deal with
the best you can do is to stop paying tithes
there are many things i don't do because i believe they're unscritural
be careful
thanks

I'm so sorry for your ignorance

what kind of fasting is this
people eat more during Ramadan
prices of food go up during Ramadan
you eat 5.30am and eat again at 6.30pm
you announce to every one that you are fasting
what a fast

joe teaching are not for babe
they are for the spiritually matured

slimthugchimee: then what about the latinos and the arabs see stupiedity

the Arab descendant of Ismael
se what the Bible said about Ismael
Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

has their lives changed ?
that's the question we should be asking

one thing most people don't know is that there is no particular message called message of salvation
every preacher has a message given to him by God
Kenneth hagin never preached any message outside mark 11:23 and yet thousands got saved in his meeting, oral robert never preach any other message but healing yet thousands got saved in his meetings
as a preacher preach the message god gave you then make alter call souls will be saved God will always confirm his word for he confirmeth the word of his servant
the problem in our churches today is that pastors that are not given the message of prosperity are preaching prosperity
and again alter call is not made in most churches people go to church to be entertained and the leave the same

mmsen: Until a substantial percentage of Nigerians are willing to throw away the shackles of backwards middle eastern philosophy (that would include xtianity) the likelihood of Nigeria emerging from its current state will remain minimal.

i am not surprise the way some people reason it almost seems they don't

during the 7years there will be peace in Israel
then suddenly israel will come under attack
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

i ve read all your post in this forum i must admit they have been a blessing
keep it up

single user 4k if you are interested

all Muslim are the same, they all reason alike
Islam is a spirit the spirit of anti Christ
Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

pesty100: so the laws in Exodus doesn't really apply to we christians

Jesus came to fulfill all the law of the old testament through love
love is the fulfilling of the law
Matthew 22:36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus came to fulfill or perfect the law
because the law of moses were not perfect
that was why he told the jew for the hardness of your heart moses gave you those law because from the beginning it was not so
Mark 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.

THE OLD TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN TO THE JEWS
THE GOSPEL (MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN ) WERE WRITTEN TO THE WORLD
THE EPISTLES WERE WRITTEN TO THE CHURCH (CHRISTIAN )
MOSES WAS A PROPHET SENT TO THE JEWS NOT TO CHRISTIAN

HARDUBUY:
Now, thats a fallacy for u are d one in complete rejection and denial of the fact that what BH are doing is unislamic as i early said.
In islam, its a great sin to kill one's self, if u do, it is as if u've killed a generation. how much more to kill another person.
we both knw u are ignorant about islam, and BH are not Muslims.

for your information I was born a Muslim my mother is still a Muslim , the question now is - is my mother also a terrorist
she is not because just like other Muslims we called moderate she grew up among non Muslim
before my father died some fellow Muslim told him denounced his children because they are now infidels but my dad refused and he became an outcast among fellow Muslims .

OK, THERE ARE VIOLENT VERSES IN THE BIBLE BUT IT IS MUSLIMS THAT OBEY AND EXECUTE THEM