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Bayern has shown good away form in this season's CL. If they get Robben and Shweizie back,ManU will be facing a much stronger team and will have their work cut out for them.
Advantage Bayern!

Killer whales are quite intelligent that it would be difficult to ascertain if it was truly an accident, or the seizing of an opportune moment to carryout a premeditated act.

When Sanusi spoke on political issues, they said he should mind his business as the CBN governor; when he doesn't speak, he is accused of collusion

FL Gators:
Does anyone know the word DESIGN" in yoruba?

I wrote [b]"desiini" [/b]in my essay, dude told me thatz yoruba-english

LWKMD 
FL wan kill person o! We thank God, ope l'ope aye'ta plus 'bendel Insurance' combo, her sakabula for don kill me 

Chelsea didnt cash in on their early dominance, and with a little bit of luck, Citeh survived the first half even. 2nd half, Citeh bitc.h slapped Chelsea.

Ancelotti made a mistake bringing on Sturridge and in taking off mikel. Belletti for Carvalho was the right move.

I think their circle of friends and associations changes, and the limited single guys they meet are often not interested in ladies of their ilk.

babapupa:
Your take on Abiola is obviously your own version of History. The man did not spend a minute in any court or jail for whatever you scribed. The fact still remains that he died for what he believed in.  You're free to season and roast it our own way, history states otherwise.

Most of our past corrupt leader have not been charged, talk less of  being found guilty, and that makes them saints?
What I said is not my version of history, as there are documented evidence of corruption starting from the 1975 ITT contract that led to the suspension of Akindele, and the fact that prior to June 12, Abiola and IBB were very close pals.

I don't get get you, you mean writing letters to elected officials is foreign to Nigeria? Are you for real or you're just joking? Do you know how many letters and emails the governor of lagos state have responded to, including this by a little boy just last week?
http://happylagosian..com/2010/02/schoolboy-gets-governor-fasholas.html
It's Ok if you don't, but you don't have to paint the rest of Nigeria with the same brush.

Are you kidding me? So a school boy inviting a governor to his school is your evidence that writing letters will get legislators to act in the best interest of the people 
When you have relevant evidence of the legislator responding positively and effectively to a written letter, we can revist the issue.

BTW there was the recent news of a guy who got flogged by a governor for writing a petition against his office   

babapupa:
Call it sentimental rhetoric or whatever narrative that makes you snore well at night, the fact remains that Abiola was not MLK but he died for what he believed in, MLK did same.

Abiola was a crook who cried foul only after his criminal bed fellow betrayed him. Its an insult to MLK to compare abiola to him.

You on the other hand have not done anything but you're frustrated already. Even mocking other people for lifting a finger.

and how have you reached that conclusion?
you dont know what I have done, are doing or will do, and yet you jump to the conclusion that I am fustrated
I have nothing against trying to make changes, but i will scoff at anyone that suggests that writing letters to a legislator is the way to move Nigeria forward. I will desist when someone provides evidence that such an approach is effective in Nigeria.

The guy did not make any reference to the United states and Nigeria and United states are not the only countries practicing democracy, Ghana next door is practicing democracy too. You inserted the united states, he didn't. He was talking about Nigeria and you stepped in to mock him.

Be it Ghana, Peru or South Korea, it doesnt matter. The guy made a categorical statement about how to do things in Nigeria, using evidence from outside Nigeria. Imported does not mean made in USA, but simply means not made in Naija!

babapupa:
Just stating that it was the wrong thing to do would have sufficed instead of your anti civic duty narration.

I'm really happy not all of us are disillusioned and apathetic. US didn't get to where it is today because the people of United  States were disillusioned and gave up the way you are almost 300 years ago.

Nothing comes easy, you have to fight for it. Martin Luther king didn't give up after getting beaten and locked up, Abiola died in jail because of his belief and sense of right and wrong and justice.

Nigeria is sure doomed with weak and unstable mindsets of people like you.

Stop all this sentimental rhetoric. Its irritating my eyes. This is not the United states, and Abiola is definitely not MLK!

Hanoobaba did not ask, nor make a suggestion, as to how best to influence the legislature, but  rather made a categorical statement on how to do so. Such a statement presumed that the cited method was confirmed to be effective. Unfortunately, in this case, there is no evidence of writing letters working in naija, which means hanoobaba position was based on evidence from outside Nigeria i.e. imported delusion. This is just simple logic. If you wanted a different response from what I gave, he should have made a different statement.

Now, you are entitled to your opinion and can claim this is another anti civic duty narration, but I would rather you refrain from making comments about my mindset, as I dont see what warrants such.

babapupa:
Just because you and other Nigerians don't exercise your rights doesn't mean some Nigerians are not , or it's imported delusions.

It sounds like imported delusions because you and others created the atmosphere that makes it look like delusions and difficult to attain fair representation from our elected officials,

Instead of encouraging what we know is the right thing to do, we sit and laugh at ourselves while the lousy elected officials carry on sidelining us.

The joke is on us collectively.

So how many letters have you written yourself? and how many responses have you gotten?
It is an imported delusion when you assume that the right way to exact a desired response from a Nigerian legislator, is by 'writing a letter to him'.  
In case you have forgotten, this not the USA nor is it the UK. This is Naija!
Its people like you, and Hanoobaba, that equate elections to democracy, when in truth they are more or less uncorrelated in Nigeria      
I beg carry your idealistic views go forward jare  

IYA NGBALI:
i still dont know why God sent me into this kind of confused country jungle i would have prefered afghanistan, pakistan or even indian

and you would have died as a failed suicide bomber a long time ago

Hanoobaba:
If you are not satisfied with the current state of power supply in the country don't you think you have a part to play. The last time I checked, we are still running a democracy in this country and you have senators and reps representing you in the NASS. Why don't you write a letter to them to present a bill on the matter to the house. We won't move forward in this country if we continue to leave some vital issues to some group of people. Fashola alond can't play the part of Governor, LGA Chairman and Councillors, Rep, Senator and even President at the same time.

LWKMD!!!
Una no go kill person for NL with all these imported delusions

All is free, and (mostly) fair, in love and war
If you are not emotionally or intellectually 'up to it' for a relationship, I beg stay out of it and remain single, otherwise take your medicine like a good boy/girl

forgotten

MzDarkSkin:
Oral s.ex OUT OF THE QUESTION. So i can talk.

You have no idea what you are missing.
A skillful tongue will have you speaking in tongues without receiving the spirit of the holy ghost.

Wit

sedeagu:
Bank PHB makes 966 staff redundant

About 966 employees of Bank PHB Plc were made redundant yesterday in what the bank described as an exercise to reduce its bloated workforce. The sacked employees represented about 13 per cent of its 7,000 staff strength. The bank hopes to save about N4.5 billion annually through the rationalisation exercise. The bank's result published recently revealed a whopping loan loss provision of N232.16 billion, while its stock of non-performing loans stood at N415.11billion. Bank PHB's net loss for the period under review stood at N438.65 billion.

NIGERIA TODAY ONLINE

WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 24, 2010

The executive management should be jailed for letting things get this bad.

beeke:
I can't use d word silly no cos is not in my nature neither will i use foul language on dis ANTI IKEMBA NNEWI CHIEF DIM CHUKWUEMEKA ODUMEGWU OJUKWU i will rather ask some of u how OLD RE U WEN DIS WAR WAS STILL ON 4 sure i know dat some where not yet born then some based their argument on wot they were told while some speak becos dey feel dey actually know d TRUTH let me tell u guyz dat in d whole wide world wen it comes 2 TRUTH surpression nobody does it better dan d goverment dey can only tell u wot is gonna be convenient to them,let me avoid makin a GENERAL STATEMENT HERE d reason why some northern elite and some yoruba rulers hate this man called OJUKWU was simply becos he was not kill during the war mind u dat he {OJUKWU} did not RAN away nope, he left 9ja cos he was BETRAYED by dos he thought were his allies NDIGBO's was, is, and will alwaz b WARRIORS even though within ourselves who hav leadership problem if d civil war was fought btw nigerian and d yorubas i stand 2 b corrected to say dat d yorubas will have been exterminated from d face of dis earth but lo and behold after more than four decades of dis atrocities commited against d IGBO NATION and how nigerian gov continue their cold war [b]against one of the twelve tribes of ISREAL {IGBO} [/b]we still remain the best enterprizin pple in 9ja without gov support as u all know some of the warlords as they are called are coolin their azz in d world court even dos as far back as d nazi's so my question is why cant the world court laid charges of genocide or wot have u on my DEAR IKEMBA NNEWI maybe some will say is neva to late for him to b charged but the simple truth is dat both UN AMERICA and other so called world power know wot some of us d lead in 9ja dont know wen i was 15 i ask my granny about d BIAFRAN WAR she just look @ me and said nwam meanin my son i will tell u everytin wen your mind is matured four years later i ask again and she told me everytin becos she was some how involved from dat day up untill now i am still battlin with myself to block dos shocking revelation my now late granny told me MAY HER GENTLE MOST LOVING SOUL REST IN PERFECT PEACE AMEN  

At this stage I had to stop reading as LWKMD
Talk about arrant self delusion

Dede1:
I thank you for the constitutional link though. There is iota of sentence that granted the Head of State the authority to execute coup plotters. There is no indicated clause that declared military court or court marshal as the final arbiter to issue of life or death in the instances of coup d’etat. 

It is very unfortunate that you are reaching for facts. Mutiny is treated differently from the coup d’etat. The only coup treated as mutiny is the coup led by NCOs. I repeat the 1963 Republic Constitution of Nigeria, which was a mirror in image of 1960 except for the offices of Governor-General and Privy Council, did not make provision that coup plotters should be executed.

Ironsi did not have the authority to execute the coup plotters. It was the duty of the three panelist that consisted Gowon, Usman and Yusuf to make recommendations to Judge Advocate-General for necessary charges against the plotters before the court-marshal.

I have not said the constitution explicitly say coup plotters should be executed. The associated crimes are covered by the criminal code and armed forces act (dont know how many times I have to repeat this)

Coup de'tat in itself is not a crime. Treason, treasonable felony and allied acts (e.g. civilian inciting mutiny) are covered by the criminal code (presided by civilian courts). Mutiny is covered by the Armed forces act (presided by a military tribunal).

The Nzeogwu led group were accused of treason but were guilty of mutiny (by killing their superiors and admitting as much on radio) and that is the part that is explicitly punishable by death. In 1966, the mutiny fell under the Nigeria army act section 37 which states
(1)  Any person subject to military  law who-
(a)  takes  part  in  a mutiny  involving  the  use  of violence or the  threat of  the use of violence, or having as  its object or one of its objects  the refusal or avoidance of any duty or  service  against,  or  in  connection  with  operations against,  the enemy, or the  impeding of the  performance of any such  duty or service, or
(b)  incites  any person subject  to  service  law  to  take ,part  in such  a  mutiny,  whether  actual  or  intended,
shall, on  conviction by court-martial, be  liable  to suffer death or any other punishment provided by this Act.
(2) Any person  subject to military law who,  in  a  case not falling within  the  last  foregoing  subsection,  takes  part  in  a mutiny, or  incites  any  person  subject  to  service  law  to  take  part  in  a mutiny, whether actual or intended, shall, on conviction by court-martial,  be  liable  to  imprisonment  or  any  less  punishment  pro-vided by this Act.
(3)  In this Act  the expression  " mutiny " means a combination between  two  or more persons  subject to  service  law,  or  between persons  two  at least  of whom  are  subject  to  service  law-
(a)  to  overthrow or resist  lawful  authority in the Federation  or  any  forces  co-operating  therewith  or  in  any part  of  any of  the  said  forces,
(b)  to  disobey  such authority  in  such  circumstances  as  to make the disobedience subversive of discipline,  or with the  object  of  avoiding  any  duty  or  service  against,  or in  connection  with  operations  against,  the  enemy,  or
(c)  to  impede the  performance  of any duty or service in the Federation or in any forces co-operating  therewith or  in  any part of  any of  the  said  forces ; 

Mutiny falls under the explicit jurisdiction of the armed forces act (or Nigerian army act in 1966) and not the constitution. Now if you feel there is a counter law (e.g. a section of the constitution) that supersedes the Army act of 1960, please point it out.

Ironsi had every legal right (under the nigerian army act) to execute the mutineers but he foolishly chose otherwise and gave the northerners an excuse for their pogrom. The mutineers weren't even on trial.

asha 80:
Does Chukwuma Nzeogwu sound bini?

A simple yes or non-response would have sufficed.

asha 80:
Okpanam in present delta state.

Thanks.
But he was Igbo?

Dede1:
There is no provision of execution of coup plotters in either 1954, 1960 or1963 constitutions. It does not mean that the constitutions did not stipulate punishment for coup plotters or crime under treasonable felony. I would want you to provide evidence where the 1954, 1960 and 1963 constitutions specified that coup plotters had to be executed which has been the crux of this argument.

Again with the uninformed argument. The constitution does not, and will never, stipulate punishment for any crime. The penal code, and the criminal code in particular, covers civilian crimes, while the Armed forces act cover military crimes. Anyone that states that the constitution directly stipulates punishment for any crime is talking nonsense.

That the Constitution does not stipulate the punishment for a crime does not mean that those crimes are nonpunishable, as the relevant law codes address them. If you want to see what the punishment for mutiny was in 1966, go and read the Royal Nigerian Army Act 1960 (which was based on the UK army act of 1955 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1955/pdf/ukpga_19550018_en.pdf) in which it is clearly stated that mutiny and treachery are punishable by death.

That mutiny was punishable by death was not peculiar to Nigeria, as that was what was commonly adopted in most countries including US and UK. Of recent, the penalty became life imprisonment when capital punishment was abolished in those countries.

Ironsi had every right and legal backing to execute the 1966 mutineers. He simply did not.

BTW you can read the 1960 constitution here http://www.worldstatesmen.org/nigeria_const1960.pdf. Let me know if you even find the word treason or coup in it.

Afam:
If we had a situation whereby the admin will ban your username for life so that you stop posting anything on this forum I would reproduce the response and the subsequent one.

I will not be made to pay for your forgetfulness or short memory by getting you the link.

Let me see if I can give you a hint, check the thread where you boldly maintained that Nzeogwu was an Easterner and when challenged you claimed back then the Mid West was deemed to be Eastern region. You see that your blunders have been many and now you can't remember anything.

Where was Nzeogwu (more accurately his parents) from?

SEFAGO:
^ Do you have plans to pay for the $200,000 medical education in the US? No, then forget it 

To put things in clearer perspective

The $555,000 Student-Loan Burden
When Michelle Bisutti, a 41-year-old family practitioner in Columbus, Ohio, finished medical school in 2003, her student-loan debt amounted to roughly $250,000. Since then, it has ballooned to $555,000.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703389004575033063806327030.html

EzeUche:
Biafra would never be landlocked. As long as we Igbos claim the Igbo speaking areas, the include Port Harcourt. However, the Igbo and our ingenuity will still be successful even if we landlocked.

https://igbology.igbonet.net/images/Map1.jpg

source: http://igbology.igbonet.net/docs/igboworld/detailedmap.html

That looks land locked to me. 

Dede1:
Mr. Nigerian constitution, may I ask you which constitution are you ranting about?

Any constitution you decide to choose from 1960 till date.

Werent you the one that posted

Please try to educate yourself and get acquainted with the facts about Nigerian history. So far you appeared completely lost as you blunder from one topic to another. Nobody has said that coup and actions that could qualify as treasonable felony are constitutional. The main crux of the argument is when you wrote that Ironsi’s failure to execute the plotters of January 15, 1966 coup tantamount to Ironsi being involved in the said coup.

Again, my plank of the argument was that such statement is an arrant nonsense because the Nigerian constitution of the era in discourse did not stipulate such provision. [/b]I wonder why you have not accused Tafawa Balewa of complicity in Awo’s grand scheme of treason because the Prime Minister did not execute Awo.

Awolowo committed a treasonable felony and we are yet to hear from you calling for execution of your grandfather. Awolowo and his cohorts were not hanged or executed because the Nigerian constitution at the time has no such clause.

and

It is either you have refused to grow up or blocked your dumb arse to get educated while still enjoying the benefits of this forum. [b]What section of military code of conduct according your figment of imagination that “stipulated death penalty to act of mutiny/treason which coup falls into”?

Let me inform you that the constitutional stipulations of any country trump any existing laws in a particular country be it either military codes or statutory codes.

It is very shameful that ethnic bigotry has clouded your dilapidated thinking faculty and you are willing to blunder by telling unfounded falsehood. Nigeria must disintegrate to usher new sense of direction to the people and remove clowns among us.

All the bolded parts were nonsense. Mutiny falls under the armed forces act (previously referred to as the Royal Nigerian Army Act of 1960) and treason and allied matters fall under the criminal code. Contrary to your claims, the constitutions does not cover these offences (nor does it cover any other criminal offences) and thus the absence of a reference to the offences is simply because it should and will never be there and not because there was no law on this crimes as you claim.

Onlytruth:
I understand how you feel. It is unfortunate that Yorubas make the most noise and keep mocking Igbos for the loss of this war. They forget that the wounds are still very fresh and real and that the more they gloat the more they invoke hate and bile. They forget that something can still happen in the future if they don't check their tongues. Not to encourage any violence but if any war should come again, do they think that Igbos will even look at Hausa people again? I speculate that Igbo will most likely completely ignore the north and simply move west to deal with Yoruba. We know what the Hausa want (OIL) and they can have it! But Yoruba better get ready. Nonsense.

Was that not what you tried back then? were you not trying to invade the west, only to get your behind whooped