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Akiintom:
If there "exist" an idea, that transcends human sensors, how did the idea, find its way into human experience in the first place.?






Reality? Have you died before and return here?

Your first question is quite simple; when you yield yourself to the originator of this idea that transcends human sensors, as you put it, He will reveal all to you and make it abundantly clear to you.

To the second question, the answer is in my answer to your first question. If you had an understanding of life the way we do through the leading of the spirit of God, only then will you understand that this physical life and world are only but temporal and that the life after death is eternal...

But before you can fully grasp all these, you have to yield yourself to the master.

LogicStatement:
It seems you don't even understand yourself, how would you understand others? You asked me to show you where the "dead" intercedes and I've shown you in the scriptures the conversation between Abraham and the rich man and yet (as confusing as usual as you are) you changed it to two "dead" people conversing. I think you are confused whether to accept the obvious that is staring at you from the scriptures or you continue to believe the unbiblical falsehood that you have been thought for many years. I can understand, it's not easy to change mindset even when the truth stares at you

*FYI, Abraham is NOT dead. He is living and in the presence of God, that's why till tomorrow, God will always be the God of Abraham. God is not a God of the dead but of the living Matt 22:32

Stop being ridiculous, please!

Abraham is dead! Dead to this world even if he lives in heaven, same way the rich man is also dead!
Saying two dead men speaking to each other is very appropriate, my friend! Spiritual death is different, we are talking about physical death.

As long as that Bible passage you quoted is concerned, it was two physical dead people talking with each other; one was in hell and the other in God's presence, none was physically alive!

Until you show me where in the Bible that talks about a physically living human being asking a physically dead saint to intercede for him, then all you're doing is just mental masturbation.

Please if you can't do the above, don't quote me, I'm tired of showing you how ignorant and misguided you are.

easymancfc:
Funny you.. I guess it's you who really knows what Catholicism is about..

You have said nothing!

Address the points I raised.

easymancfc:
mark 15:47 Mary Mag′dalene and MARY the MOTHER OF JOSES saw where he was laid.
NOT MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS
Matthew 27:56 among whom were Mary Mag′dalene, and MARY the MOTHER of JAMES and JOSEPH, and the mother of the sons of Zeb′edee.
NOT MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...

Luke 24: 10 Now it was Mary Mag′dalene and Jo-an′na and MARY THE MOTHER of JAMES and the other women with them who told this to the apostles

NOT MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...

James and Joses/Joseph's Mother is another Mary...

What about Jude

Jude 1:1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James,

Not JUDE BROTHER AND SERVANT OF JESUS CHRIST

Just negodu....what effrontery to twist the Bible!

Uncle, Mary gave birth to other children; Jesus had brothers and at least one sister. Mary never died a virgin!

You lots shouldn't forget that after Joseph discovered that Mary was with child, he wanted to call off the marriage but an angel appeared and asked him to take marry home as his wife.
Now, tell me, does it mean that the marriage which even God through his angel ordained was later dissolved? Wouldn't that be a direct disobedience on the part of Joseph? Or you want us to believe that for all the days Joseph and Mary lived as man and wife, they didn't consummate the marriage? This so sad!

[b]Matthew 1:20 ►

New International Version
But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

New Living Translation
As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. "Joseph, son of David," the angel said, "do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

English Standard Version
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Berean Study Bible
But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
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Splinz:
Hehehe... you go wait tire... . I tell you, they'll do everything, including even denying God, just to uphold their rank idolatry and paganism!

You dey mind them? Idolaters!

The problem is that they do not even know what Catholicism is about, and I don't even want to go into that, given the kind of shallowness they have displayed already.

Roman Catholic isn't a church, but a cult! Before quotes me, please show us a copy of the detailed events, proclamation and whatnots, during knighthood imitation.

If you are looking for the seat of Antichrist, look no further, it is staring you in the face in the form of a church! And please before anyone quotes me, tell me what you know about the black Pope, tell me what you know about the Jesuits, their vows and covenants, tell me what you know about the connection between Catholicism and islam, but if you can't tell me all these, then hold your peace.

LogicStatement:
I wanted to respond to your ignorance then I saw this answer below that spoke just my intension. A perfect answer to your unbelieve.


Bro, read it up in Luke 16:19-31

Lol...this is laughable, really! A dead rich man in hell right, and being a soul, made a request to another dead saint- The dead talking to the dead!

Now, please tell me, how does this explain and validate the living asking the dead to intercede on their behalf? Please use another Bible passage to confirm your statement.

easymancfc:
I have already answered you...
you say I interpret scripture with my own meaning.. with what right do you have to say that?

are you the infallible interpreter of scripture...

I already answered your elder question.. if you can't see the connection then you need lesson teacher

Lol... I can't see any connection between the elders and intercession..please point it out maybe my brain is too small to connect the dots.

Just do this simple thing and I will give you your peace.

easymancfc:
I gave you a quote already.. you said only Jesus makes intercession, I have showed you the Holy Spirit does also..

The 24 elders in rev 5:8 are humans and since they are in heaven they are saints offering prayers of saints on Earth to God...

Here's a question for you.. what gives you the right to say which interpretation is implied on my own, the Church has had that belief...

Who made you the authority of scripture, to decide who is right and wrong in their interpretation, or which interpretation is personal

Brother, I tire for your matter o... seriously! What's all that you put up there? Simple, tell me who those elders are, and you're writing history.

Your problem is; you read the Bible and then give your own meaning to the things you read, meaning that will aid your erroneous beliefs.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Please highlight any part of the above scripture that even in the smallest of way, suggests or insinuates that these said elders interceded for the saints.

Please make it simple, no long talks.

easymancfc:
I gave you a quote already.. you said only Jesus makes intercession, I have showed you the Holy Spirit does also..

The 24 elders in rev 5:8 are humans and since they are in heaven they are saints offering prayers of saints on Earth to God...

Here's a question for you.. what gives you the right to say which interpretation is implied on my own, the Church has had that belief...

Who made you the authority of scripture, to decide who is right and wrong in their interpretation, or which interpretation is personal

The 24 elders are humans? Really? Please tell me who they are and please use biblical backing.

I'm not an authority on the scriptures, but the practice that doesn't have a direct and clear biblical foundation is a deviation from Christianity. All I ask is that you show me in the Bible where the practice is directly referred to or where we are commanded by God to do same, then you win!

easymancfc:
you say am ignorant.. but it's you who's ignorant because you didn't even read to understand..

if the Saints in rev 5:8 are on earth then it proves my point.. The 24 elders in heaven carry the prayers of the Saints on earth to God.. making them intercessors..

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVE WITH PSALMS because I know the incense is symbolic of prayers it says so right there in rev 5:8...

the issue is are the 24.elders Jesus?

there's also the issue of The holy spirit and the angels making intercession (offering our prayers and helping us to pray ). ...

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID ONLY JESUS INTERCEDES FOR US IN HEAVEN.. I JUST SHOWED YOU SOME OTHERS WHO DO THROUGH JESUS

ignorance indeed

Smh...you read the Bible and make out your own meaning, just to give fake credence to your fake religious practices.

Besides the holy spirit who makes intercession for us and through us, Jesus is the only other part of the Trinity who makes intercession for our sins.

Until you show me where in explicitly says that saints make intercession for us, I don't mean giving me Bible passages that you implied its meaning on your own...show me Bible passages where it is clear and direct about the subject of saints interceding for us.

easymancfc:
Again you're wrong...

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US with sighs too deep for words.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the PRAYERS of THE SAINTS;

rev 8: 3And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; 4 and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God

these verses clearly state that the Holy Spirit, Elders in heaven and Angels play a role in intercession

I pity your gross ignorance!

So, the spirit is now dead saints?
Please tell me who those elders in that passage are!
The prayers of the saints mentioned there, are the prayers of the saints here on earth: ◄ Psalm 141:2 ►

New International Version
May my prayer be set before you like incense; may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.

New Living Translation
Accept my prayer as incense offered to you, and my upraised hands as an evening offering.

English Standard Version
Let my prayer be counted as incense before you, and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice!

You, my friend, are grossly ignorant and misguided!

easymancfc:
oh brother.. it does..

Romans 12, 1 cor 12.. Romans 8:35-38 says nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ.. Neither death nor heights etc..

Here's a better question for you...
With what authority do you say it's just my opinion.. and it's " unbiblical",
Who made you the authority to decide what is biblical or not..
Or don't you believe all Christians have the right to interpret scriptures as directed by the spirit..

Just show me anywhere in the Bible that talks about saints in heaving making intercession and I will show you in the Bible where Jesus was declared not just the mediator but also our intercessor in heaven.

easymancfc:
Indeed only Christ can.. but they being members of the body of Christ can help us with their prayers since they do that through Christ by being members of his body

That's purely your opinion and it has no biblical foundation.

LogicStatement:
What is it there that you don't understand? Saints are not dead people either they lived 1000yrs ago on earth or presently living on earth. Saint is not the opposite of sinner but meaning someone set apart. Saints are not made in heaven but on earth through heavenly grace. Either you call for the intercession of saint who is still on earth or one who has fallen asleep, one thing is common to them, they are alive in Christ. Saints are not dead people. Only the unsaved are dead when they die here on earth

Please shut up already! Their are dead saints and living saints!
The ones you pray to are dead to us, even if they are living in heaven! And let me categorically say this: no saint in heaven can in heaven can ever intervened for you.

The job of intercession belongs exclusively to Jesus!

LogicStatement:
Catholics do not pray to dead people but ask for the intercession of saints. There is nothing wrong to ask for the intercession of the saints. Abraham interceded for Sodom (Gen 18: 16-33). We see in the Old Testament, various figures are asked to intercede for those in spiritual and temporal need: Abraham, Moses, Job, Jeremiah. It seems to have been thought especially appropriate to those men of prayer, the prophets (Gen 18:24, Jb 42:8, Jr 42:2, 2Mc 12:38-45). After the last super, Jesus interceded for his followers (Jn 17).
It should be noted that the church does not regard a saint who is dead to the flesh (physical dead) as been dead rather, he is asleep but lives in the presence of God. When a righteous died, he rises and becomes like the angels in heaven. Jesus tells us in Mk 12: 24-26 that God is God not of the dead but of the living. In Ex 3:1-6 When God appeared in the burning bush to Moses, he introduced Himself as God of Abraham, God of Issac and God of Jacob. These people were known to be dead (physical death) when he appeared to Moses, yet God still associate Himself with them meaning that, these saints are living. Therefore, when Catholics call on saints for intercession is because these saints are living and in the presence of God. Just like we meet our priests or pastors for their intercession because of our believe that they are saints who live holy lives (only God knows the heart of man), same way Catholics ask for the intercession of saints who live in the presence of God (for these ones you are very sure they are clean and free from sin because they are in heaven already. Nothing unclean will enter heaven Rev 21:27)

Uncle, please stop twisting the scriptures!
All the people you mentioned who made intercession according to you, were all living. No dead saint can help you, only Christ can!
For there is only one mediator between man and God, and He is Jesus Christ!
I repeat, no dead saint can help you!

PastorAIO:
Hhhhhhhaaaaaahhh!!! Why you people dey lie like this na? So blatant, so unflinching, so bold. On the same thread!!!

Where do you get this deceitful spirit from? It's so nasty. It's so sad.





Or perhaps you don't know that I can read too. Or perhaps you have another understanding of 'not a logical man'.

The guy, who, as you are now defending his words, I take it you're in agreement with, states categorically that he is not just referring to God but to the Christian, the Christian life and the Bible.

Why must you dey lie lie like dis? Na demons o, that is my only explanation that I can think up. Demonic infestation.

Like I said, the Christian life transcends logic!
Human logic is very limited and myopic, but that doesn't mean that Christians are illogical, it rather means that we have come to understand how limited human logic is, and also come to understand the true working of the spirit of God in our lives, that has over time, come to make us appreciate the fact that we have to view the universe and everything that happens in it from the creator's perspective, and when you yield yourself totally to the creator's perspective, only then will you truly understand that life itself is a mystery that makes logic look most silly..

How can I trust the logical explanation of scientists who are still in the journey of understanding the universe? How can I give myself totally to the logic of a bunch of people who over the years are still trying to make a meaning of life?
They do not have all the answers yet, but then they want us to believe that theirs is the best view of life? How does that sound to you? I'd rather trust the One who was in the very beginning, even before the universe came into being.



The Christian life is the higher life!

Discrediting the authenticity of the Bible, and then using the same Bible to validate her Islamic delusion...SMH

Topgainer:
Read through some of the comments in the thread. The mad man was healed of his insanity no doubt about it. Spontaneous resolution of madness is not a new phenomenum whether it came as a result of Orthodox treatment, accident, electric charges, psychotherapy, excorcist workup, herbs and religious beliefs not just peculiar to Christianity.


In our locality, there are homes with herbalist managers that take care of insanity, some persons were actually cured in such homes. The mystery of the methods used by the Herbalist and Sorcerers is difficult to explain to a layman but one thing is certain it fails them most of the time because some Kolo men and women remain in chains for months and years within the vicinity of the Healing center without improvement, some go back basically the same. In most scenario, the cured come down with the same madness or worse forms of it later.
The question should be is there any difference between the Prophet Jerry's healing wands and the traditional wizard operator of a mental home who dances around the subject in a wave of ecstasy and incantations?

The name of Jesus injected along the line looks like an afterthought the same way most of the hybrid prophets will ask one to buy ingredients for prayers (such as eggs, black stone, alligator pepper, candles, oils, handkerchief, beads, perfume, get seed money and prayer points) and still find a way to put the name of Jesus in the whole thing.
I don't believe Prophet Jerry and some others are practicing the Christianity Peter and Paul professed. Theirs is very different and I know what it is, just surprised at the modifications (Credits to Prophet TB Joshua) they have brought to the art, that it is becoming popular with new recruits and many others embracing the Art

Wow! Your descerning cap is tight, sir...

Best post I have read in a long time.

chemystery:
one who cant determine right from wrong lacks empathy and not religion
for With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

I'm sorry, you haven't answered my question.

Everyone who does good or bad has a moral compass, people do not do things for doing sake; a person who does good has his reasons and likewise a person who does evil and they're​ guided by their individual moral compass.

Your response is just a subtle attack on religion, and as much as I disagree, I won't make any attempt in defending religion, and that's because I do not practice religion; I am a Christian who seeks to emulate the lifestyle of Christ.

My question still stands: what is the moral compass of an atheist?

justiniyke29:
Nt married,its just dat i have no probs with anybody's religion as lng as watever u serve doesnt harm me physically.

What if it harms you spiritually? Don't you think that spiritually harm is even worse?

SafeDavid:
Really funny.
Wwould Se.un be responsible for leading so many souls astray?

I would like to the know the moral compass of an atheist...
Seun, you can help enlighten me.

SafeDavid:
Really funny.
Wwould Se.un be responsible for leading so many souls astray?

Really? What's the real object of the existence of nairaland?

Mckandre:
not bad though, its probably the highest score till iPhone 7 showsup

True talk

KennyID17:
How were u able to get a LeEco phone in naija and how much did it cost. Please I'm really interested.

The phone was gotten through Initialize, and the buyer paid 100k as at February...

UncutSk:
what device is this

LeEco Le Max2

Mckandre:
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You cannot obey simple instructment.

If a group of Christians sat down to list perplexing passages, it wouldn't take long for someone to mention Matthew 24:15-16: “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

The reasons for uncertainty are easy to list. What is an abomination? What abomination does Jesus have in mind? One that belongs to his generation, or one from the last days? What is the connection between the prophecies of Daniel and Jesus? Who is “the reader,” and what should he or she understand? In what sense should readers “flee to the mountains”? Should they obey literally or metaphorically?

As always, the first step is to read the text in literary, cultural, historical, and canonical contexts. Then we analyze the structure of the passage and do the necessary lexical and grammatical work. We begin with the key phrase, “abomination of desolation.”


The term “abomination” (Hebrew toevah and siqqus) appears more than 100 times in the Old Testament and just a few times in the New Testament. An abomination is normally a great sin, commonly worthy of death. Readers immersed in current debates about sexual ethics may first think an abomination is a sexual sin. Indeed, Scripture calls sexual sins like adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality abominations (e.g., Leviticus 18:22, 29-30). But more often throughout the Bible “abomination” refers to major covenant violations, especially idolatry (in Deuteronomy alone, see 7:25, 13:6-16, 17:2-5, 18:9-12, 27:15, 32:16). In the historical books, “abomination” always describes idolatry, often with child sacrifice (1 Kings 11:7, 2 Kings 23:13). Abomination also refers to idolatry in the prophets, including Daniel 9 and 11. (Daniel uses siqqus, a term that always appears in connection with idolatry.)

The interpretation of Daniel 9-11 is difficult and disputed, but it does have some fixed points, and the nature of the abomination that causes desolation is one of them. Daniel 9:26-27 refers to a prince who will destroy the city (Jerusalem) along with its temple and sacrifices, “and on the wings of abominations shall come one who makes desolate.” Two chapters later there is another reference to an “abomination” in connection to the temple: “forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate” (11:31).

Scholars generally agree that the first reference of these prophecies is the Seleucid king Antiochus Epiphanes IV, who ruled Palestine from 175-64 B.C. Antiochus treated Israel with such violence and contempt that they rebelled against him. When he came to suppress the rebellion, his forces entered the temple, stopped the regular sacrifices, set up an idol of or altar for Zeus, and apparently offered swine there as a sacrifice. This is an abomination because it is idolatry, and it brings desolation because it defiles the holy place at the heart of Israel. This act was the abomination “of” desolation, the abomination “causing” desolation.

GreenPlumes:
I won't deceive you, spirit or a witch that will dare me is not born, the occultic man that will look at me in the face in not alive anywhere.

You sound like you're a strong believer, yet you sound so ignorant...sorry to put it that way.

We as Christians have the kind of power and control over the forces of darkness, only through the knowledge of the word. Now, if you do have such power to withstand occultic and witchcraft elements, then I honestly think you should know better than opening this thread.

The Bible says it is appointed for man to die once, and after that, judgement.

What you see is a demon!. Your mum is dead and gone! All you see is a demon using the face of your mum to control your life. Now the demon is making you do something that seems good for weird reasons, tomorrow that same demon will ask you to do something terrible and before you know it, you will totally be under the control of such demon, because the more you open your mind to it and do its biddings, the more it takes hold of your heart.