₦airaland Forum

Bishops10:
This guy on an attempt to climb down from their Trailer carrying Rods in order to catch a glimpse of the fire fell off as his boxers(was sagging) got hooked to the iron rod,fell down and was crushed to death by his driver who was reversing

Na wa ooo.....

Anyway, two lessons:

1) amebo no good for body

2) sagging is too immature

When I connect mine, it surfs for sometime, then disconnects automatically....

What could be the reason??

What rubbish is this

Doesn't the op realize that Nairaland is not only for Christians?

Please I implore the mods to move this topic to the appropriate section, or delete post immediately!!!

nijabazaar:
u just gave me the name of a militia group in uganda...fighting Musoveni..

I want one destroying churches, killin people for dancing nude, Killin people for preachin....dont give me militias those attacking politicians

A typical Nigerian......

I was expecting u to research more on your own query, but you want me to spoon-feed you.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

And in that article.....

Christian militia groups destroyed almost all mosques in the Central African Republic unrest. In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed by the Anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country. Other sources report incidents of Muslims being cannibalized.

Now what do u have to say about that??

And if you bring up another hypocritical statement I would never answer you again

Oh, and in case you say "this is Africa joor, what of other European countries" well....

https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rt.com/news/323822-belgium-mosque-christian-state/&ved=0ahUKEwjGr-bPgYjOAhXsJ8AKHXKBD74QFggvMAU&usg=AFQjCNH7aN6GVRWNE8OzrsLZ-LoZCkWv1A&sig2=LAqOSi6f6s7b0jWNKg9bdg

Oya read...

nijabazaar:
plz do, i implore u....

the day u will show me any christian group rampaging and destroying properties of Muslim adherents (not in a war zone) i would Denounce Christ. Dont show me Jews (isreali) .....show me christians in the act (from 1900 down to now)

Well, you asked for it.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army?wprov=sfla1

And in that link.....

Lord’s Resistance Army is just the name of the movement, because we are fighting in the name of God. God is the one helping us in the bush. That’s why we created this name, Lord’s Resistance Army. And people always ask us, are we fighting for the Ten Commandments of God. That is true – because the Ten Commandments of God is the constitution that God has given to the people of the world. All people. If you go to the constitution, nobody will accept people who steal, nobody could accept to go and take somebody’s wife, nobody could accept to kill the innocent, or whatever. The Ten Commandments carries all this.

Talk2bryant:
Bro I'm a muslim, this is the extract from my koran. The verse talks about yahoodi (jews) and nasoora (christians); the verse didn't mention mushrikun or kahfirun, idolaters or disbelievers respectively

My dear brother that is the verse I am talking about!!!

Read my explanation on that verse.....

snezBaba:
Lagusta,stop wasting your time on him jare. Just check the Tolernt, all loving Christian whose sister married a Muslim and whose father usually called and Alfa to cut a rams head on NEW YEAR.
SMH.
https://www.nairaland.com/3234800/gary-foxcroft-saving-witches-akwa-ibom
I will never forget this thread as per the hypocrisy in the killings.

Good, me don leave am to God.....

https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/muslim-scholar-argues-that-653-hadiths-in-sahih-bukhari-and-sahih-muslim-are-false&ved=0ahUKEwig1KaUyYDOAhWGKsAKHWozB50QFgggMAE&usg=AFQjCNEI6456Mf4DcQku8AXA5-604mFxPQ&sig2=Jt8gcALZSK2pEzLmWTuAMg

And click on the link and read for yourself abeg......

Veiling
The laws on veiling have been misunderstood due to the high activity of veiling currently within the Islamic state. During Pre-Islamic times the Assyrian law clearly depicted within their written regulation who was allowed to veil. Those women who were family to “seigniors” had to veil as well as those who were previously prostitutes but now married. Laws on veiling were so strict that intolerable consequences were enacted upon these women, some of which included beating or cutting their ears off. While many people are under the impression that all women in Pre-Islamic Arabia took part in the tradition of veiling, prostitutes and slaves were prohibited from taking part in this practice. The veil was not only used to classify women according to their status, but it also labeled them based on their sexual activity and marital status

This is from Wikipedia..... Read it well

truthmans2012:
You didn't answer my question: How did Zainab become Muhammad's wife from Zaid house?

I never told you quran 33:37, I said read through chapter 33 and tell me what happened there.

Let me remains you, you are yet to defend hadith being fabricated or not

You are still telling a Muslim to read through a chapter where evidence has been brought from two verses of the same chapter

Are you sure you aren't acting catatonic??

truthmans2012:
Read the true story of Muhammad's marriage with his daughter-in-law here:
www.nairaland.com/2277092/true-story-muhammads-marriage-zaynab

Hahhahahahhaha, so you got your own evidence from a hungry blogger?

I have nothing to say to you

truthmans2012:
I count you a liar if you can't prove your assertion. You have no evidence and you think people will believe you?

ﻭَﻗَﺮْﻥَ ﻓِﻲ ﺑُﻴُﻮﺗِﻜُﻦَّ ﻭَﻻَ ﺗَﺒَﺮَّﺟْﻦَ ﺗَﺒَﺮُّﺝَ اﻟْﺠَﺎﻫِﻠِﻴَّﺔِ اﻷُْﻭﻟَﻰٰ ۖ ﻭَﺃَﻗِﻤْﻦَ اﻟﺼَّﻼَﺓَ ﻭَﺁﺗِﻴﻦَ اﻟﺰَّﻛَﺎﺓَ ﻭَﺃَﻃِﻌْﻦَ اﻟﻠَّﻪَ ﻭَﺭَﺳُﻮﻟَﻪُ ۚ ﺇِﻧَّﻤَﺎ ﻳُﺮِﻳﺪُ اﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻟِﻴُﺬْﻫِﺐَ ﻋَﻨْﻜُﻢُ اﻟﺮِّﺟْﺲَ ﺃَﻫْﻞَ اﻟْﺒَﻴْﺖِ ﻭَﻳُﻄَﻬِّﺮَﻛُﻢْ ﺗَﻄْﻬِﻴﺮًا

Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati aloola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa ahla albayti wayutahhirakum tatheeran

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.

#muslimpro muslimpro.com

That evidence is from the quran

And I'm still coming back for more.....

truthmans2012:
You have reduced islamic libraries to Facebook talks. Good of you !!!

So when hadith writers write something favourable to islam it is no mistake but only when it exposes the dirt of islam it is a mistake. Keep deceiving yourself.

Come, who is saying anything about saying a Hadith is fabricated if it exposes a dirt of Islam.....

Look sir, there are millions of Hadith that are so sweet and could win millions of non-muslims into Islam, but are outrightly fabricated because they have no source or the reporters are good liars.....

So what re you even saying sef?

truthmans2012:
I have given you already, read through Quran chapter 33.

Was Muhammad the first husband of Zainab? How did she become his wife?

I laugh in Swahili!!!!!

Anyway......

ﻭَﺇِﺫْ ﺗَﻘُﻮﻝُ ﻟِﻠَّﺬِﻱ ﺃَﻧْﻌَﻢَ اﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﻭَﺃَﻧْﻌَﻤْﺖَ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﺃَﻣْﺴِﻚْ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻚَ ﺯَﻭْﺟَﻚَ ﻭَاﺗَّﻖِ اﻟﻠَّﻪَ ﻭَﺗُﺨْﻔِﻲ ﻓِﻲ ﻧَﻔْﺴِﻚَ ﻣَﺎ اﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻣُﺒْﺪِﻳﻪِ ﻭَﺗَﺨْﺸَﻰ اﻟﻨَّﺎﺱَ ﻭَاﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﺃَﺣَﻖُّ ﺃَﻥْ ﺗَﺨْﺸَﺎﻩُ ۖ ﻓَﻠَﻤَّﺎ ﻗَﻀَﻰٰ ﺯَﻳْﺪٌ ﻣِﻨْﻬَﺎ ﻭَﻃَﺮًا ﺯَﻭَّﺟْﻨَﺎﻛَﻬَﺎ ﻟِﻜَﻲْ ﻻَ ﻳَﻜُﻮﻥَ ﻋَﻠَﻰ اﻟْﻤُﺆْﻣِﻨِﻴﻦَ ﺣَﺮَﺝٌ ﻓِﻲ ﺃَﺯْﻭَاﺝِ ﺃَﺩْﻋِﻴَﺎﺋِﻬِﻢْ ﺇِﺫَا ﻗَﻀَﻮْا ﻣِﻨْﻬُﻦَّ ﻭَﻃَﺮًا ۚ ﻭَﻛَﺎﻥَ ﺃَﻣْﺮُ اﻟﻠَّﻪِ ﻣَﻔْﻌُﻮﻻً

Waith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha watukhfee fee nafsika ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahu falamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwajnakaha likay la yakoona AAala almumineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiyaihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan

Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

#muslimpro muslimpro.com

That's Q33:37, now show me where it was stated that the prophet hijacked someone's wife.....

truthmans2012:
But you can't defend it. In fact no muslim could defend it.

I have just discovered that you are a troll.....

If I write that your wife slept with your driver, and posted it on Facebook, and people believed me, even if you know it was a lie, and she died long ago, what will you do about it

Nothing!!!

That was how the issue of Hadith came to be... The compilers of Hadith are humans like us, prone to mistakes, who collect reports from humans too....

There were no robots at the time!!!

So please, just go and ponder on life!!!

truthmans2012:
All talk no evidence.

Don't be such a crappy prat of a clotpole!!!!!!!

Go and read yourself, must I always spoon-feed people??!??!!!!

Na WA oooo, I'm tired of always bringing evidence for people.....

truthmans2012:
Go to the link I gave, there is no way you can defend your claim that any hadith was fabricated:

Read it here:

www.nairaland.com/3045080/proof-no-hadith-fabricated-it

Muhammad hijacked Zainab from Zaid (Quran 33)

Read your own proof yourself above....

And quote that verse of the Quran that said rasuulullah hijacked another person's wife.....

When some hadiths expose the dirts and evils of islam, muslims shout they are fabricated. The funny thing is, they can't say the specific names of the fabricators. Why ?

The truth is, no hadith is fabricated. If there are, how did they find their ways into islam library?

Hadiths have sequence: Volume so and so, Book so and so, Number so and so. If any is fabricated, how did it march into the sequence?

In a book of 20 pages for example, how can you claim pages 5, 10 or 15 of the same book is fabricated?

Muslims and their lying spirit. May God deliver them from allahh their archenemy disguising to be their God.

So this is your proof that not all Hadith are fabricated

Please I need to talk to a real human being here.....

ajiboye007:
QUESTION FOR THE MUSLIM


SURA 24:31

And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed. {24:31}


HERE IS MY QUESTION


what is reason for these ayat ?

who are those that lost after muslim woman for allah to order cover ?

do people in arabia walk nicked in stree and house before this revelation ?

ITS A SERIOUS MATTER

Let me answer your question for you....

In the days before Islam in Arabia, women were belly-dancers and danced naked, worshipped their idols in Makkah naked, and did all sorts naked, in fact, they were treated as ornaments and sex slaves....

Islam abolished all that and gave women a covering, which you also see nuns do......

And according to Islam, that lady in the second pic is not naked, but not fully covered up, as she has to cover her hair.....

truthmans2012:
Did veil actually stop them from lust?

See what happened here:

Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them: The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.
Sahih Muslim 8:3240

Muhammad saw a woman outside, filled with lust and ran home to have sex with Zainab, his adopted son's wife, who he hijacked from Zaid.

1) this Hadith could be fabricated, since even the compilers of Hadith started collecting them over 200yrs after the prophet's death.....

2) the holy and noblest of creatures, prophet Muhammad(SAW) is an example to us Muslims, his way of life is our way of life too, however, he is also a human being with feelings and desires, but free of sin....

So what did he do when he saw a woman; he went to satisfy himself with his wife, which is an example for us when we see something like that.....

3) rasuulullah never hijacked anybody's wife!!!

Go and read the story of how it all came about and stop spreading lies.....

MakeWeTalk:
[size=14pt]Guys the most peaceful religion Islam has burnt a catholic church.
Islam is the only religion that is synonymous with violence !
[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/3230110/muslim-youths-destroy-catholic-church/

If I star posting what Christians nd other religions are doing to Muslims, Nairaland servers would crash.....

I don't wanna go there, don't let me go there......

Berlyn:
[size=15pt] the Hausas are Dabbing for Allah .. [/size]

Shut up!!!!

hahn:
And the Quran hasn't been corrupted?

No

Why will Allah give us something we cannot explain or understand in simple terms? And why is tafsir ibn katheer the only one who can translate the Quran? Are you trying to say the rest of us cannot read and understand? Unlike Christians, Muslims do not have a "holy spirit" to reveal things to them. Who is now revealing his own versions to him?

You actually didn't understand what I said do you.....

I said only people who have knowledge of the Quran that can interpret it....

The same way people like Albert Einstein discovered relativity, or Beethoven's 9th symphony at D minor, or Alexander Flemming discovering penicillin..... they all discovered all these world-class stuff because they had in-depth knowledge of the subject matter....

99% seriously?

Now I can see that you're among those people that have been misled by the media

My dear, if you can prove to me that Aisha was married at the age of 6 I would be an atheist immediately!!! Remember the Shi'ite have their own version of the story....

And where is terrorism justified in the Quran my dear

Bro, whether they would go to hell or not, Allah knows, what we have here is a warning, it's either we heed to it or we follow our selfish desires, that's all.....

hahn:
Why can't Muslims stage a protest to remove these pages out of the Quran and thus ensure a reduction in the violence?

If Allah indeed motivated the Quran, then why exactly did he allow such verses to be there in the first place?

If everything is Allah's will then Allah is comfortable with Muslims killing "infidels", right?

Lovely question!!!!

You see, that was how the Bible became corrupted to suit the Romans......

Please note that these verses of the Quran are grossly misinterpreted.....

It's only people with sound knowledge of the Quran and Hadith that can do an explanation and commentary of the Glorious Quran.....

Even I can't attempt it, so we other Muslims follow the translation and commentary of the renowned scholars of Quran like tafsir ibn katheer....

And that is why you see mainstream Muslims (about 99% of the population) preaching peace instead of war......

justwise:
Dude you are not just confused, how does bombing a mosque in the name of holy war and killing many people bring about peace?

Why must it be bombing and beheading every time certain people get provoked?

There is no other way of resolving issues apart from killing others who disagreed with you?

This is not about muslims as a whole, this is about certain individuals with a twisted ideology

I read your post three times, and still didn't understand why you quoted me.....

Anyway I agree with the bolded part, so I would assume we are reasoning at the same pace....

lexiconkabir:
@seun This is what i subscribe to ↓↓↓

Oga how far nah, long time, hope u good sir!!!

Demmzy15:
Oga Seun--Islam is a well principled religion, it's universal in the sense that it encompasses all aspects of the human life and fit for all time(though, they might be minor changes to adjust to the modern times). Extremism and Terrorism is something the Prophet Muhammad(saw) warned against, he mentioned that those before us were destroyed due to their "extremism", terrorism on the other hand cannot exist without Extremism because it's Extremism that fosters Terrorism.

That side, the diseases(extremism and terrorism) can be cured greatly by knowledge. When I say knowledge I don't mean knowing Qur'anic verses or Hadith sayings, it's way beyond that. Usamah Ibn Ladin the father of Al Qaeda which give birth to ISIS was reported not having the adequate Islamic knowledge, Sheikh Khaled Al Ankary states about Bin Ladin:

In his educational transcripts, he had only eight credit hours in religious studies! I was brought up in Saudi Arabia and attended the 10th grade but was never taught from a textbook that said such things; and there is no such teaching today. This sounds like a quote taken out of context.

Documentary ‘Undercover Mosque’ for Dispatches on Channel 4 (UK) on 15 January 2007!

In fact when you look at many profiles of today's terrorists, many of them have troubled life. The two perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo killings were known to be drug dealers and rappers, some ISIS fighters are known to be club bouncers, etc. They never had pure and correct Islamic knowledge, even those who have but tend to be extreme are those following their desires!

Furthermore, when you acquire knowledge, you should know that suicide is prohibited in Islam, no two ways about that. It was in the ancient times that most men are killed because they're considered soldiers but today it's not like that anymore, we have standard armies so you have no right to kill men who are civilians. Many of this terrorists don't know this.

Another point we need to consider is that; rebellion is to be avoided. True scholars have warned that rebelling against a leader is to be avoided, there's a wisdom behind, and I hope you reason with me. Qaddafi for example, was Libya better off after he was overthrown? Syria is currently in a turmoil, Yemen too, South Sudan and many other countries. The reason is because there's a greater harm that comes, there's blood shed, oppression and in fact peace is not even guaranteed when the leader is removed!

Lastly, Muslim youths need to stick with the correct and true scholars not scholars who speak with both of their mouths ie that say something here and something entirely different on the other side.

Lemme give you an example, when the 9/11 attack happened, many scholars condemned the actions. The true scholars condemned utmostly suicide bombing of any kind and that those who partake in this gruesome tactic are doomed for hell because it's based on something haram, but some other supposed scholars(sorry I won't be giving examples) condemned the attack of 9/11 but support the Palestinians engaging in suicide bombings!?

Now this two issues I mentioned up is not complex at all, the true scholars condemned suicide bombings against Israel not because they love Israel or are it's allies but because one suicide bombing against Israel results to killings of many more Muslims and besides suicide is haram in Islam. So when a Palestinian blows himself up in Israel killing 6 Israelis, the IDF retaliates by killing 25 Palestinians and demolitions of homes of other innocent Palestinian, now look at how the harm superceded the good. This is the wisdom behind some of this prohibitions!

But the other scholars support the suicide bombing, not thinking of the repercussions and not knowing that it's passed on something which is haram.

# Hope this helps, I'll be modifying if anything else comes up!

Oga Seun this one has answered your question, so please close down the thread......

Jazaakumullah khairan dear brother, I love you for the sake of Allah!!!

MakeWeTalk:
Lets call a spade a spade, islam endorses violence.


Even muslims have started accepting it.
Listen to a moslem say that the problem is the quoran


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Kmp-VHryI

Here are some of the verses that preaches violence

Sura 5:51
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends.

SURA 4:89
So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

SURA 8:59
And let not those who disbelieve(Christians & Jews) suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
SURA 8:60
Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them.

SURA 9:123
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers(Christians & Jews) who are near to you

SURA 2:190 Fight in the way of Allah
SURA 2:191 And slay them(Christians & Jews) wherever ye find them

Surah 9:5
When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.
SURA 9:29
Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day

SURA 9:123
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

This post makes me laugh out loud......

Anybody can pose as a Muslim and say trash, so that YouTube video is flawed already.....

Now concerning all the verses you mis-interpreted.....

All the verses you quoted, except the first one, refer to the idol worshippers of then, not the Jews or Christians, check another English Quran to confirm (wait, where did you even get that translation from sef )

Now, about the first one, there was a time when a group of Jews and Christians formed an alliance with the idol worshippers to fight the muslims, so the verse was revealed as a warning to the muslims at that time....

The Jews and Christians are referred to as "the people of the book" and not "disbelievers"....

This is a public forum, do not mislead the populace.....

justwise:
This is the problem..we always come up with one or two excuses to justify killing other other.

So because of hatred been preached to the lower class of the hausa by their elites a group came up to kill both hausas and Christians right?

Boko Haram did not kill only the elites in fact poorer hausas suffered more as they carried on their killing spree.

Don't tell me to sit down and research jack because i'm sick to my back teeth with some of you who always come up with these excuses.

Now listen to yourself.....

Have you forgotten that boko haram has bombed mosques too, at least do not forget the Kano mosque bombing.....

Now another assignment for you: go and research why and how boko haram started their bombings.... with the al-shabaab.....

And if you refuse then stay brainwashed for life!!!!

Yes ooo, that mobogenie is a very useless app...

Same with blackmart alpha and other third-party app stores....

They are all haven of viruses

Well I prefer AVG to avast, even on my Android.....

Now that avast is acquiring AVG, I just don't know what would happen next.....

512mb RAM on a 5.5inch Android 5.1 lollipop phone??

These people are so backward they need lectures from orang-utans first......