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Seun:
It happened at a time when I had many problems in my life and I decided to skip sunday fellowship because frankly, the fellowship hadn't done anything whatsoever to help me with my problems. Over the next week, I tried to examine the impact of my personal relationship with God on my life and I could only conclude that it had a negative impact on my life. If I had relied on my own understanding to make decisions, instead of doing things I thought God wanted me to do, my life would have been so much better. So I told my roommates that I'd be an interim atheist until I got some strong evidence of the existence of God and the truth of the bible. I'd no longer give Christianity the benefit of doubt.

(I could do that because in my quest to be a better Christian, I learnt exactly how the bible was put together, which was a mess. I'd discovered the contradictions in the bible. I'd tried to convert a muslim who was able to defend the flaws of Islam as well as I could defend the flaws of Christianity, which made me realize that the only reason I was a Christian was by choice, due to being born into it. My quest to witness the pentecostal promise of signs and wonders had been fruitless. Even speaking in tongues had turned out to be not supernatural at all)

As an atheist, I started the process of rethinking my life, and everything now made so much more sense. All those 'difficult questions' I used to struggle with as a Christian who actually read the bible and tried to make sense of it were easily answered thus: "because there's no God".

I would appreciate if you open a thread showcasing the flaws of islaam the way you opened one showing that the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was one big science fiction movie.....

Thanks

This is actually nice.....

Would take that adventure one day.....

I would gladly do same for my daughter.....

It's better I teach her how to use one than to make her shy away from it....

A condom not only protects from unwanted pregnancies but also sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS....

Or what do you all think??

I do not believe all this crappy stuff

BrainnewsNg:
Really?

Please, list those words

1. You are very stupid

2. You dont know anything

3. You can't do anything....

4. You mates are driving big cars you are here driving Camry

5. Look at this small boy....

6. Most men outside are better off than you...

7. You are such an unfortunate fellow....

8. Like mother like son....

9. If you don't give me money I know where to get it.....

10. Please don't touch me, I have a headache (and the stuff under is rising and falling like the naira-dollar dichotomy....

Oya wetin u talk now

evansjeff:
My question is what is wrong with Facebook? Must i now be updating Facebook app every week Abi na only my phone? I don tell my Facebook, na the last update him see last week, e go remain like that for 2 years.. any thing wey wan happen make e happen.mmmmtttteeeeuuuuwwww....

That app is very annoying......

Use Facebook lite or open it on Google chrome, thank me later.....

RIP......

*Removing headress*

Habiodunz:
6: Never play Mortal Kombat X or Injustic God on a 512 RAM Android phone

Who would want to that that BULLCRAP!!!!!

lexiconkabir:
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1860&Itemid=89

[size=18pt]Enjoining certain Manners so that the Mothers of the Believers may be an Example[/size]

I hope you saw the above in the link i posted?

Start reading from "wa qarna fi buyutikunna"

BTW you seem to enjoy the feeling of "i think i have won the argument" cuz i wonder what's funny.

You actually don't have a sense of humour do you tho??

Bros take a chill pill abeg, life is not as hard as you see it.....

lexiconkabir:
See, i am not in for baseless arguments either, but whenever you say something that aint right, i am obliged to make amends of it, ignorant people will take it for facts, that verse wasn't for the prophet's wives alone......and this is how the sahabas understood the verse, so we cant take your own misguided understanding over what the sahabas took as the understanding of the verse, khalas!

Now do me a favour and read tafsir ibn katheer concerning that verse, then go ahead and read the whole sura, you will see another verse that now concerns all the Muslim women.....

FAQAT!!!!!!

lexiconkabir:
Ok, if they refer to only the wives of the prophet, then other muslimaat shoudnt pray, pay zakat, they should disobey Allah and his messenger?

Brother na wa for u ooo....

Who is talking about other muslimah now

Do u want me to start quoting verses again

Baseless arguments like this would lead us nowhere.....

Please let's finish our Ramadan in peace abeg, I can't always be spoon feeding u anyhow .....

lexiconkabir:
Well, to me thats wrong, once a wife is married to a husband, the rights of her guardian reduces over her, although we cant say, if its truly from from Wikipedia (you didnt post a link), doesnt mean everything there is a fact, who knows we might not have been given the full narration of the story as to why she was jailed, but if everything up there is 100% true and complete, then its wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia?wprov=sfla1

That's your link....

Wikipedia is still more reliable than those hungry bloggers tho.....

Afrokan:
Why cant a woman be the Queen of Saudi, why cant a woman drive?

It's either you didn't comprehend this post, or you didn't bother reading my next posts.....

Please do both......

August 2005 a court in the northern part of Saudi Arabia ordered the divorce of a 34-year-old mother of two (named Fatima Mansour) from her husband, Mansur, despite the fact that they were happily married and her father (now deceased) had approved the marriage. The divorce was initiated by her half-brother using his powers as her male guardian, who alleged that his half-sister's husband was from a tribe of a low status compared to the status of her tribe and that the husband had failed to disclose this when he first asked for Fatima’s hand. If sent back to her brother’s home, Fatima feared domestic violence. She spent four years in jail with her daughter before the Supreme Judicial Council overturned the decision.


@lexiconkabir, this is also from Wikipedia, the same article, and it showed how pathetic Saudi Arabia could be concerning women's rights, which is very horrible if I must say!!!

Like I said before, I rest my case on this matter.....

Women's rights in Saudi Arabia are limited in comparison to many of its neighbors. The World Economic Forum 2013 Global Gender Gap Report ranked Saudi Arabia 127th out of 136 countries for gender parity. All women, regardless of age, are required to have a male guardian. Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that prohibits women from driving. Saudi women constitute 13% of the country's native workforce as of 2015.

Quick facts: Gender Inequality Index, Value ...
However, women's status has changed in recent decades. Women were previously forbidden from voting or being elected to political office, but in 2011 King Abdullah declared that women would be able to vote and run in the 2015 local elections, as well as be appointed to the Consultative Assembly. More university graduates in Saudi Arabia are Saudi women than men, and female literacy is estimated to be 91% (though lower than male literacy) far higher than just 40 years ago. The average age at first marriage among Saudi females in the kingdom is 25 years.

Many conservative Saudi women do not support loosening traditional gender roles and restrictions, on the grounds that Saudi Arabia is the closest thing to an "ideal and pure Islamic nation," and under threat from "imported Western values".

Among the factors that define rights for women in Saudi are government laws, the Hanbali and Wahhabi interpretation of Sunni Islam, and traditional customs of the Arabian peninsula.

@lexiconkabir this is an excerpt from Wikipedia....

Alhamdulillah, women can now be voted into power, and like I said, as members of the consultative council....

Alhamdulillah the status of women have changed since the crowning of king abdullah....

I hope it gets better and better anyway......

I rest my case.....

lexiconkabir:
Allah said "Wa qarna fi buyootikunna...." (suratul Ahzab, Quran33:33), if you know that verse, then i don't think you should question further why women cant have a place in the government.



You don't apply logic in the things of deen, what you follow is QalAllah, Qalarrasool, Wa Qalassahaba(that is how they understood it, since they were the once that asked the prophet Questions directly)

This is the full verse and translation..... Q33:33
ﻭَﻗَﺮْﻥَ ﻓِﻲ ﺑُﻴُﻮﺗِﻜُﻦَّ ﻭَﻻَ ﺗَﺒَﺮَّﺟْﻦَ ﺗَﺒَﺮُّﺝَ اﻟْﺠَﺎﻫِﻠِﻴَّﺔِ اﻷُْﻭﻟَﻰٰ ۖ ﻭَﺃَﻗِﻤْﻦَ اﻟﺼَّﻼَﺓَ ﻭَﺁﺗِﻴﻦَ اﻟﺰَّﻛَﺎﺓَ ﻭَﺃَﻃِﻌْﻦَ اﻟﻠَّﻪَ ﻭَﺭَﺳُﻮﻟَﻪُ ۚ ﺇِﻧَّﻤَﺎ ﻳُﺮِﻳﺪُ اﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻟِﻴُﺬْﻫِﺐَ ﻋَﻨْﻜُﻢُ اﻟﺮِّﺟْﺲَ ﺃَﻫْﻞَ اﻟْﺒَﻴْﺖِ ﻭَﻳُﻄَﻬِّﺮَﻛُﻢْ ﺗَﻄْﻬِﻴﺮًا

Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati aloola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa ahla albayti wayutahhirakum tatheeran

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.

#muslimpro muslimpro.com


This verse refers to only the wives of the prophet, they are very special people, the MOTHER OF BELIEVERS!!!

They are quite revered, they can't just be going about anyhow like some random lady with a tramp!!! Subhaanallah!!!

This verse does not say whatsoever that women can never participate in government as legislators or councillors or special advisers..... even if they cannot be leaders....

And concerning the logic post, habaa nah, did you really take that post seriously

@lexiconkabir....

I believe women should have places in government, as special advisers or councillors.... because people have always been seeking council of the mothers of believers (the prophet's wives).... and if there was anything wrong with that,the companions would have frowned at it.....

Logic would even tell us that the best person to give counsel to a woman is surely another woman, you know women like themselves nah.....

And yep, since you want proof about women's rights in Saudi, hold on please. . ..

So??

What would we gain out of this now??

Nonsense codons joor.....

lexiconkabir:
This is what you said

"Saudi Arabia should really review their laws concerning women,"

Again you concluded with this

"Now, go and find out yourself whether Saudi muftis are hypocritical or not......"

So?

My dearest brother please what are you trying to prove

All those stuff I listed concerns only Pakistan!!! Pakistan!!!

Saudi is also harsh on women as my bro oyb pointed out, but it can never be as much as that of Pakistan....

Women have no place in government, they have little or no rights (for example, if the man divorces the woman, no one wants to know the woman's side of the story, which is very wrong) they have little or no dignity....

Bro, please wake up and don't allow religion cloud your judgement!!!!

lexiconkabir:
Nawa for you, you said most Muslims in the third world countries are sufis, and here you are bringing proof fron only Pakistan, does Pakistan make "most Muslims"? Hope you know Nigeria has more Muslims than Pakistan?

Like I said before, please go and read my post again, read it VERY WELL!!!!

lexiconkabir:
You talking about saudi and you are bringing status of women in Pakistan, its irrational of you to blame saudi muftis for pakistani style of government.

You have to point out where i abused you.

Bro go and read my post again please, did I mention all those stuff because of Saudi or because of Pakistan....

Abeg please I'm busy with patients....

You said MOST are sufis, do you even know the meaning of most? You don't just talk for talking sake, talk with knowledge

The overwhelming majority (95 to 97%) of Pakistan's 190 million people are Muslim while the remaining 3–5% are Christian, Hindu, and other minorities. Sunnis form the majority at 80-85%, of which followers of Barelvi Islam make the vast majority, while the Shias make up between 5-20%.
Islam in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wikipedia app‎ - Installed....

Now, who is a barelvi Muslim??

Barelvi (Urdu: بَریلوِی‎, Barēlwī, Urdu pronunciation: [bəreːlʋi]) is a term used for the movement following the Sunni Hanafi school of jurisprudence, originating in Bareilly with over 200 million followers in South Asia. The name derives from the north Indian town of Bareilly, the hometown of its founder and main leader Ahmed Raza Khan (1856–1921). Although Barelvi is the commonly used term in the media and academia, the followers of the movement often prefer to be known by the title of Ahle Sunnat wal Jama'at, (Urdu: اہل سنت والجماعت‎) or as Sunnis, a reference to their perception as forming an international majority movement.


The movement has to do with the practices and Sufism of Classic Islamic Mystics, it is often referred to as a Sufi movement. The movement was in existence (as is today) under the banner of Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jammat, but later started to refer to themselves as Barelvi's to differentiate from the Deobandi movement, which was influenced by the Wahhabi movement in Arabia.

Etymology
The movement is the Ahle Sunnat wal Jama'at "People of the traditions [of Muhammad] and the community" and they refer to themselves as Sunnis. This terminology is used to lay exclusive claim to be the only legitimate form of Sunni Islam in South Asia, in opposition to the Deobandi, Ahl al-Hadith, Salafis and Darul Uloom Nadwatul Ulama followers.

History
The Barelvi movement is the actual Ahl-e-Sunnat Wal Jammat but became known as Barelvi due to their respective leader Ahmad Raza Khan who, due to the need of true form of Islam, established Islamic schools in 1904 with the Manzar-e-Islam. The Barelvi movement formed as a defense of the traditional mystic practices of South Asia, which it sought to prove and support.

Unlike most other Muslim movements in the region, the Barelvis opposed the Indian independence movement due to its leadership under Mahatma Gandhi. On the other hand, Khan and his movement were largely responsible for staying out of political issues.

Although the Darul Uloom Nadwatul Ulama was founded in 1893 to reconcile South Asia's Muslim sectarian differences, the Barelvis eventually withdrew their support from the council and criticized its efforts due to their heretical and radical beliefs counter to the Islamic values.

As a reaction to the anti-Islam film Innocence of Muslims, a conglomerate of forty Barelvi parties called for a boycott of Western goods, while at the same time condemning violence which had taken place in protest against the film.

Presence
India Today estimates that the vast majority of Muslims in India adhere to the Barelvi movement, and The Heritage Foundation, Time and The Washington Post give similar assessments for the vast majority of Muslims in Pakistan. Political scientist Rohan Bedi estimates that 60% of Pakistani Muslims are Barelvis.

The majority of Pakistani and Kashmir origin Britons in the United Kingdom are descended from Barelvi-majority areas. The Barelvi movement in Pakistan has received funding from Barelvis in the UK, in part as a reaction to rival movements in Pakistan also receiving funding from abroad. According to an editorial in the English-language Pakistani newspaper The Daily Times, many of these mosques have been however usurped by Saudi-funded radical organizations.

Beliefs and practices

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The Barelvi movement

Tomb of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan Qadri
Founders & Central figures
Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi
Peer Jamaat Ali Shah
Hamid Raza Khan
Mustafa Raza Khan Qadri
Maulana Abdul Hamid Qadri Badayuni
Muhammad Karam Shah al-Azhari
Mohammad Abdul Ghafoor Hazarvi

History/Movement
All India Sunni Conference
Tehreek-e-Khatme Nabuwwat
Shaheed Ganj Mosque
Movement against Shuddhi
Shah Bano Movement

Notable Scholars
Past
Khwaja Qamar ul Din Sialvi
Shah Ahmad Noorani
Abdul Sattar Khan Niazi
Arshadul Qaudri
Shamsul-hasan Shams Barelvi
Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi
Sahibzada Haji Muhammad Fazal Karim
Nurul Islam Farooqi

Present
Kaukab Noorani Okarvi
Ashraf Asif Jalali
Qamaruzzaman Azmi
Ameen Mian Qaudri
Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed
Syed Shujaat Ali Qadri
Muhammad Arshad Misbahi
Hamid Saeed Kazmi
Yaseen Akhtar Misbahi
Mukarram Ahmad
Muhammad Saeed Noori
Akhtar Raza Khan

Institutions
India Jamiatur Raza Bareilly
Manzar-e-Islam Bareilly
Al Jamiatul Ashrafia Azamgarh
Al-Jame-atul-Islamia Mau
Jamia-tul-Madina Global
Jamia Markazu Ssaquafathi Ssunniyya Kerala
Jamia Nizamia Hyderabad,

Pakistan Jamia Naeemia Lahore
Jamia Amjadia Rizvia Karachi
Jamia Nizamia Ghousia Wazirabad,
'United Kingdom Jamia Al-Karam
Al-Mustafa Islamic Cultural Centre Ireland

Literature & Notable Works
Kanzul Iman, Fatawa-e-Razvia
Bahar-e-Shariat, Husamul Haramain
Manaqib-al-Jaleela

Organizations
Dawat-e-Islami
World Islamic Mission
Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan
Jamaat Ahle Sunnat
Sunni Tehreek
Sunni Ittehad Council
Majlis-e-Tahaffuz-e-Khatme Nabuwwat
Tanzeem ul Madaris
Raza Academy
Dargah-e-Ala Hazrat

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Like other Sunni Muslims, Barelvis base their beliefs on the Quran and Sunnah and believe in monotheism and the prophethood of Muhammad. Barelvis follow the Maturidi school of Islamic theology and the Hanafi madhhab of fiqh in addition to choosing from the Qadiri, Chishti or Suhrawardi tariqas.

Beliefs regarding Muhammad
Barelvis have several beliefs regarding Muhammad's nature that distinguish them from Deobandi, Salafi and Shi'i groups in South Asia:

He is a human being but created from light.
He is present in many places at the same time.
He is still witnessing all that goes on in the world.
He has knowledge of that which is unknown, including the future.
Practices
Public celebration of Muhammad's birthday.
Veneration of dead and living saints. This consists of the intervention of an ascending, linked and unbroken chain of holy personages claimed to reach ultimately to Muhammad, who Barelvis believe intercede on their behalf with God.
Visiting the tombs of Muhammad, his companions and of pious Muslims, an act the Barelvis claim is supported by the Quran, Sunnah and acts of the companions, but which some opponents call "shrine-worshipping" and Grave worshiping and consider to be un-Islamic.
Use of devotional music (Sfeir 2007, p. 339) and dhikr.
Leaving the beard to grow for men; the movement views a man who trims his beard to less than a fist-length as a sinner, and shaving the beard is considered abominable.

Well well well......

You know what, let me sleep, when I wake up in shaa Allah I would expose some of the baseless fatwas some of those so-called muftis issue out of greed.....

lexiconkabir:
Guy, pls if you have no knowledge of something, dont talk for talking sake, you "heard" youve not confirmed, so why bringing it up as facts? You said MOST are sufis, do you even know the meaning of most? You don't just talk for talking sake, talk with knowledge



Really?? They dont go to school, speaking without knowledge again.



Guy, you just "misyarning" anyhow, hope you know you might fall into slandering with these rubbish you saying?



Whats intelligent about his post? That he didnt know that kingship is legitimate in islam, or what?

My dear brother lexiconkabir......

The status of women in Pakistan is one of systemic gender subordination even though it varies considerably across classes, regions, and the rural/urban divide due to uneven socioeconomic development and the impact of tribal, feudal, and capitalist social formations on women's lives. The Pakistani women of today do, however, enjoy a better status than the past.

Quick facts
The stance of religious bodies has been mainly antagonistic towards women. Even rape victims have not been allowed to use DNA evidence to prove their cases, however the All Pakistan Ulema Council recently issued fatwas denouncing "honour killings". Other improvements are also being made as Lahore has inaugurated its first service of lady traffic wardens to manage the traffic and the country's most conservative province, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, is planning to increase the percentage of women in the police force.

Even with these improvements, rampant domestic abuse and a high rate of child marriages and forced marriages still remain. Pakistan is currently one of the dangerous countries in the world for women.

This is from Wikipedia, who is saying facts now

You know we once had a god discussion in the last thread oga Seun opened, don't mess it up by abusing me anyhow.....

Now, go and find out yourself whether Saudi muftis are hypocritical or not......