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afrodoc2:
This Fatawu na problem sha.

Maza has been able to keep him quiet a little, compared to Mr Dalot.

Ruud in game management is solid.

Cavs are touching the Warriors.

Boston 3s are not falling tonight.

Conversation about Bruno must happen.

Ellexy:
They weyrey dey fine shaa, cooling off in his hometown.

Dey help me greet ham. 😂

dopeJemi:
Was Chicharito a flop for Man United?

Chicharito and flop should not be in the same sentence abeg.

Chelsea fans cant forget him in a hurry.

9 goals in 15 appearance against Chelsea. Scored them in every competition we met them.

Ellexy:
The sacking of ETH and the appointment of Amorim has injected some life back into this thread. Love to see it.

Hows ETH doing?

patrickmuf:
You don carry me put for the front.

I don't think I will ever forgive Ronaldo for leaving Man Utd at that time he did...

He hit a new peak under Mourinho. He was destined to play for Madrid.

patrickmuf:
I know when you hear Ronaldo, you lose your senses. So Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, RVP and others were not world class abi?

If the standard is Ronaldo, you already know the answer.

Its fine to accept that Ronaldo is the biggest talent Ferguson coached in the EPL era. None of those you mentioned come close.

Oasis007:


.....Antony will cook under the new head coach. Form is out at give-away price for a limited period. Join Antony Fans Club now or never.

Ill be there when they start cooking you.

Westbrook with 29pts tonight.

Roland17:
Congratulations to you, the flogging no be here.

Asiwaju dey favor you for Naija, Trump dey favor you for Yankee. Government just dey favor you everywhere.

😂😂😂😂

A night to forget for Democrats.

BlueRayDick:
The point is Nigerian electoral system is very very backward in this age and time. The security agencies cannot be seen as being proactive to make things right. INEC cannot be seen as striving to be really independent like they should.

Let these issues be fixed and you won't need to blame opposition's genuine alarm about rigging as reason for voter's turn out. Even if opposition decry rigging, if the above mentioned issues are sorted the people will gladly look forward to elections like Americans do.

Ok boss.

Iamoyindamola

Mendy don win his case against City.

The court has ordered City to pay him all his unpaid salaries for duration that he was not in custody.

So out of the 22 months withheld salaries, Mendy can get 17 months because he was in custody for 5 month.

Thats 11m pounds before tax

Theflint1:
Voter turnout increased by over 40% in 2022, yet Adeleke won with just about 7%...I don't think this is a very good example of high voter turnout preventing rigging, cause that 2022 election was very close too.

in 2018, Oyetola won by 1k votes. in 2023, Adeleke won by 27k votes. Clear winning. That's how opposition win. It's easy to overturn 1k votes, it becomes hard to look for 27k spread of votes.

BlueRayDick:
You see, u are the one drawing conclusion that opposition talking point is centered majorly around Rivers & Lagos. That is not the case here.

I can give u instances of elections in the last 2 years that have been frayed with different electoral malfeasance.

The Osun election you mentioned which Oyetola lost, there were serious allegations of rigging. In fact the Tribunal ruled in favor of Oyetola that there was over voting favoring Adeleke. That shows the system had serious irregularity.

Adamawa elections had it's own issues with rigging and even a REC declared a candidate winner before conclusion of result collation.

The Kogi off season election wasn't free of these irregularities; same is the recently concluded Edo elections.


See just take the point in my post and don't see it as a non APC supporter castigating elections conducted by APC led government.

Let there be serious consequence for those who sabotage electoral process be it an INEC staff, a security agent, a politician, a political thug, etc. The people will definitely turn up in mass to vote their preferred candidate.

No election is perfect, not just in Nigeria but all over the world, every nation seeks to continue to reform and perfect their electoral process.

In the case of Adamawa, The rightful winner was declared winner irrespective of what the REC did. Same as in Abia. The means the system might not be perfect but it does get it right in a lot of ways.

Adeleke won in the Supreme Court the same way Oyetola won in the Supreme court. Infact it was the same context that Oyetola use to win in 2018 that Adeleke also used to win in 2023 at the Supreme Court.

INEC can't battle election violence, that's the job of the security operatives.

Finally, there's nowhere in my post that's defending APC or anything so i don't know where you think this argument is anything about APC.

The simple truth is that in any election, for opposition to win, it needs massive turnout of their base. that's the basis of my argument and post to theflint1.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Trump urged his base to come out because he had faith in the system; at least to some level.

Until you achieve that, we would be expecting less voters per election year

From the look of things, 2027 election will have less voters than 2023, and the reason is not because Obi or Atiku asked people not to vote.

You already know why [/color]

And until the opposition can get massive turnout of their base to come out and vote regardless of what they might think of the system, the incumbent will always win then.

Case in point Osun

2018 election

APC - 255,505
PDP - 255,023

Both party total votes = 510,528

There was a rerun election when the election was declared inconclusive while PDP Adeleke was leading with 355 votes.

2023 election

PDP - 403,371
APC - 375,027

Both part total votes = 778,398

That's more than 20% increase in the number of voters turnout and Adeleke won easily with more than 27k votes.

Opposition need massive voters turnout. Infact it's their only pathway to winning.

BlueRayDick:
You are right that the opposition is divided , but division between members of opposition is not the reason why there's poor voters turnout. This is not even about APC, PDP, LP or any other party in particular.

The reason why there's abysmal voters' turn out is the fear of electoral violence majorly and blatant rigging without real consequences. Let there be serious and direct consequence for sabotaging the electoral processes and let's see if things won't change for better.

The INEC REC in the infamous Adamawa governorship election(I can't recall his name again), Nothing of grave consequence has happened to him since that saga.

People who threatened voters pre-election and then carried out their threats, nothing has happened to them. There are videos and pictures of those who scattered polling units in different parts of the countries, we did not get any report of police parading them in their hundreds and prosecuting them.

Even if Opposition leaders appeal to their members from now till tomorrow, some will not turn up because nobody wants to get harmed for voting a politician that may not even perform in office. I will not see NURTW guys wielding ax and machete at polling unit to enforce voting in favor of their fave; then I will say I want to be stubborn to vote my own candidate against all odds.

And abysmal voters turnout makes it easy for vote buying, rigging and violence. It's easy to buy out 50 people compared to say 400. its easy to inflate votes when turn out is low and it's easy for 2 or 3 thugs to chase 50 then to chase 400.

The higher the voters turnout, the harder it is to rig or to intimidate with violence.

BlueRayDick:
In fact, I feel more than ever a lot more people got disappointed in how the 2023 General elections turned out to be. Imagine traditional rulers initiating sacred traditional rites just so people will turn out to vote their preferred candidate.

How do u encourage such person to come out for next election. Will he feel safe voting against the popular candidate in such community? Is it not better to just stay in ur house for future elections?

How do encourage a first time voter in a place like Rivers where Wike carried out the wickedest rigging in Nigerian Election history and nothing happened ? Zero consequence! How will such first time voter ever consider going out to queue and vote when he knows someone can just mutilate result sheets and make his vote not count?

Inspite of all these, Alex Otti won in Abia, Father Alia won in Benue, even Yusuf won Ganduje candidate in Kano. APC almost lost Kaduna Governorship election.

2023 election was largely peaceful. Violence only happened in Lagos and Rivers, the process went smoothly in most of the other states. Lagos and Rivers election were not the decider of the Presidential election, infact the opposition won 1 of those 2 states, give the opposition those 2 states and nothing will change in the final outcome. APC will still win.

If the opposition talking points is then now centered on what happened in Lagos and Rivers and using it to discourage their own base from coming out en masse to vote, its giving easy victory to the incumbent party.

Look back to Osun 2022 Governorship election, in 2018, Adeleke and PDP claimed they were rigged out. in 2022, their slogan was come out and vote and then defend your vote. You need people to come out and vote and then defend it.

Our democracy is not there yet and our electoral system still need more reforms and perfection but opposition still need more people to come out and vote. It's the same everywhere.

Theflint1:
If we have a national database, voting can be possible with any ID...there are boxes we check that make other processes easy. Even the issue of underage voting, make sure every birth is registered and biodata captured up to a certain age for citizens (maybe through monthly allowance for every Nigerian child) and this under age voting thing can be curbed.

You may be right.

BlueRayDick:
Theflint1 was lamenting about the poor turnout of voters in Nigerian elections and while trying to explain reasons for poor turnout in Naija elections; you made the error of alluding the reasons to opposition making allegations of rigging and their votes not counting.

Rigging is real in Nigerian elections and there are little or no consequences for rigging elections in Nigeria. The fact that INEC is not really independent in their conduct of elections is worrisome. INEC would always side with the party that rigged and they declared winner.

Election violence is another issue in Nigeria. Party loyalists, hoodlums and even security agencies assault voters and supporters of other parties in broad daylight in different elections in this country. Some non-state actors will even say it live on camera that they will deal with anybody not voting for their own candidate in their area, the police will see the videos and do nothing about it.

There's no how u will see massive voters turn out with this flawed electoral system we have currently in operation in Naija. Even if opposition tell their members to turn up in mass numbers at the polling unit, it will only take few hoodlums armed with dangerous weapons to scatter the ballot box and chase the determined voters away.

Nigeria still has a very long way to go in this democracy thing we say we dey do. When I remember some of the disgraceful things that happened during that 2023 general elections, I just shake my head.

Everything you have said is true but we have seen INEC cancel polling unit results because of violence, we have seen then cancel LG result because of violence and like that.

Even last year election, opposition polled more votes than APC that won. almost double APC votes. the only reason why APC is still in power is because the opposition votes were divided.

The opposition apart from being divided need to always preach people coming out en masse to vote and holding the government responsible for safeguarding the voters. The higher the number of turnout of voters, the harder it is to rig.

Theflint1:
I don't think it's about massive turnout per se, it's the fact that the voting process is made more difficult than it should otherwise be. Like for example, why can't voter registration be available to be done anytime of the year, or voting possible with any valid ID card.

If you follow election news yesterday, there will lots of difficulties with some counties voting machine breaking down and stopping people from voting. Voting can't be possible with any valid ID. you should know the process we currently run is to safeguard against rigging. Even in develop nation, voter registration is an important part of the process. I do agree though that voter registration should be open round the clock

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If your head was the one of that lady that they broke bottle in February last year, would you bother voting again?

Or you spent hours to vote, and people just zoom in with bikes and tear and destroy the papers, would you come out?

We cannot even be comparing the US to Nigeria now. We are far far behind in terms of credibility, talk more of getting people to vote.[/color]

Regardless the opposition still need to ginger their base to vote. Did you forget what happened in 2020 US election? Trump claimed he was rigged out, his supporters even stormed the Capitol, some were arrested, some are in jail currently. Infact Trump said the election was interfered with.

This 2024 election, Trump kept urging his base and supporters to come out in record numbers to vote. The first step to winning an election is making sure your base come out en masse to vote.

Why i understand there's no comparison between US and Nigeria but elections are the same everywhere. Opposition need massive turn out of their base to win.

Theflint1:
US election is getting voter turnout that's over 1/3 of the country's population, Nigeria is struggling to do 1/10.

In any election, opposition need massive turnout to defeat incumbent party.

In Nigeria, opposition will be discouraging their own base with talk of election rigging and the likes that those who should turn the election in their favor will just sit at home thinking their vote won't kuku count.

Last year election, more people voted the opposition than the incumbent party. APC had 8m+ votes, the opposition (PDP, LP, NNPP) had over 14m+ votes. Those opposition were all in the same party months before splitting for the election.

Theflint1:
Check Trump's pre-COVID visa approval numbers for Nigeria, they're at par with Obama's last three years, and higher than Biden's first three years. America needs regularize migration into the country, especially as regards illegals coming in through the border...I think that is the immigration that would suffer.

Every sane country will safeguard its border from illegal immigration.

The nonsense Biden and Kamala did in the last 2yrs as regards illegal immigration contributes to their embarrassing loss.

Trump flips Penns, Wisconsin and Nevada. Will probably flip back Arizona also.

What red wave.

afrodoc2:
If you do anyhow, you will see anyhow. Democrats no dey allow people breathe. If i was American i would have switched from Dem to Rep by now.

Kamala doesnt even strike me as someone that will be the first woman President of the United States.

BlueRayDick:
It's quite unfortunate, a sad story it was for his family.

May God comfort his family.

Yeah.

seankafor:
or he died since and as per naija things, dey covered it till they can't no more

Rip to the dead

I doubt. He is a muslim which means he will have to be buried same day.

There were already news that he was sick with cancer at the very late stage. I think they even flew him out of the country for treatment first. They probably returned him to Nigeria so he can spend his last few moments with his family.

Cancer na very terrible disease.

seankafor:
Ahh,

He was sick with Cancer, the FG already knows his survival is very slim, thats why they appointed a new COAS since last week.

May his soul rest in peace.

May our lives not be cut short at the pinnacle of our career.

Republicans has won the Senate and will most likely win the house also.

Terrible night for Democrats.