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All these just for people to read that blog.

You no see her three phones.

armadeo:
Pardon my ignorance.

I have been seeing first fruit offering discussed here for awhile. I didn't particularly pay attention to the threads but are you saying that the churches tell her members to drip the ENTIRE January salary as offering.

Just thinking of the Christmas expenditure alone and required financial infusion for recovery its a scary concept which I wouldn't partake in.

Exactly bro. That's the new money making scheme and some folks are falling for it.

eesy:
I didnt mean to say a mere security man. Its just that there are some people that once they hammer they seem to ignore others which he didnt.

Ok. Cool

Very stupid people. The person you are fighting for you don't know him nor can you go near him. Stupid people.

eesy:
For saying thank you on instagram to a mere security man, I give him A1.

Mere security man is what you called him. We need serious reorientation in this country.

Keneking:
Where is the Nigeria Police Force?

On the road collecting 20 naira

Keep your child and keep your first wife. Meanwhile how do you know that you are the father of this unborn child?

I love this piece. In summary treat your neighbour with much love and Nigeria will be a great place.

franksam2009:
you don't know a thing about Christianity, only God can judge, you can't change our minds with what you said, even if we pay our first fruit offering to a fake church and pray about it, God sees all, God knows all, he knows I paid it with my hard earned money, it's left for GOD to judge the pastor if he uses God's money for his selfish interest

You obviously don't know your left from your right. You just go by whatever you hear. Telling a family man to starve his family and bring you his January salary. This is the hight of wickedness.
I thank God that Jesus Christ nor his apostles did not tell anybody to bring his January pay to them. You can do what you feel like but I am convinced that whatever you do attract a zero result. The evidence is everywhere. Just check around your church and see poor people everywhere.

Gombs:
I don’t care. If you want to tell them, get to the streets or raise your own brethren. If this is scamming, boy, I'd love to be scammed over and over. I wonder why e dey pain you like this.



1 Corinthians 2 MSG
14-16The unspiritual self, just as it is by nature, can't receive the gifts of God's Spirit. There's no capacity for them. They seem like so much silliness. Spirit can be known only by spirit—God's Spirit and our spirits in open communion. Spiritually alive, we have access to everything God's Spirit is doing, [size=20pt]and can't be judged by unspiritual critics. [/size] Isaiah's question, "Is there anyone around who knows God's Spirit, anyone who knows what he is doing?" has been answered: Christ knows, and we have Christ's Spirit

To you it's so much silliness and wickedness. To usward, it's an opportunity. One day, hopefully, you'll understand

Meanwhile, it is not compulsory, it is not for babes too, but for those who's decided to put their faith to work. I understand your fears

Put your faith to work? Boy there are better ways to put your faith to work. Your pastor or those who wants your January salary is not better than apostle Paul who taught us the right way to give.
Well it is obvious that you want to be scammed over and over after all you are looking for recognition. I know where you belong. If you don't it pastor go know say Gomb is not obeying leadership.
But at the end of the day, Yu won't be better than those who know that they are aupposed to obey Gods words and not mans scheming. The funny thing is that one Idiot will come out and give a stupid testimony how first fruit made him rich and they will forget that there are thousands who gave their first fruit and nothing happened in their lives.
Gomb you are decieved.you will be a happier boy if you spend a part of that money on somebody who is in dare need. You will be fulfilling the sayings of Christ and not some Kalo Kalo doctrine geard towards raising money.

Gombs:
[size=58pt]Is it your money? [/size]

Your experience don't matter, just like mine does not matter to you. Now, park well make I use POS jooor

it is not my money at all. My own is to tell those who care that they don't have to be scammed.
First fruit my foot. You want a man who has family to feed to give his whole one month salary to another man. Christians can be very wicked o.

sameera025:
So if he always existed, that means all the messengers before him should have worshiped and known him and preached about him since you have now acknowledged the trinity always existed. He felt forsaken by the father that is still himself. I still haven't heard anything about the father though.

All the messengers or prophets worshipped him but not as Christ the savior and redeemer of the whole world.
Jesus is not the father. I think I have in my own understanding explained the Godhead to you. The son( a part of the Godhead) took the form of a man and died to redeem man.if while He is on Earth He existed as a man, is it a big deal that He has to cry out in pain while hanging on the cross. The cry on on the cross has another meaning. It means that life will become horrible when a man does not have God.it all depends on the lesson you want to learn from that single incident.
All the revelation of God that you read in the Old Testament shows God the father in action.

sameera025:
So you are saying God made a son, the son he made is still himself. So he made another one of himself, turned jesus/himself into a man, then turned his back on himself/son, broke the union between himself and made himself/Jesus pay for the sins of the people he created. And finally his son/himself felt forsaken by God/himself. Can we also conclude and say a man God died for the sins of people? But God can't actually die can he? Correct me where I am wrong.

With God all things are possible. Another you need to understand is that Jesus was not created. Jesus has always been there and we are told that through Him( Christ ) everything that was made was made.
Jesus Christ a part of the Godhead took the form of a man and died for the sins of the whole.when he was on earth he was in connection with the father( enjoyed fellowship with him) but during the sacrifice He has to die like a man and that is why He reacted and cried like a man. He felt forsaken and even before He died He actually asked for the cup to be taken from Him if it is possible( still showing his human nature)

sameera025:
Okay, I understand what you are trying to say. About the cross, why was he crying out "my God, My God, why have you forsaken me" if he himself is supposedly that God?

Jesus was dying on the cross as a man. Here God the father was sacrificing him for the sins of the whole world. He has turned his back on Christ. The union between the father and the son is no longer there and here Jesus felt forsaken( he was talking like a man).

sameera025:
I looked them up. These were quoted to be in the new testament. Are they accurate?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.  I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."  (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”  (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

Notice when he said until all is accomplished. Actually all have been accomplished the day Christ died and that is why he said on the cross it is finished.The requirement of the law was fulfilled on the cross by Jesus himself. A new and better law is here established by Jesus Christ and the law is simple.
Love The Lord thy God with all your heart and all your might
The. Second is love thy neighbour as you love yourself.

sameera025:
Isn't that unfair though? That they didn't get an equal opportunity as those who came after Christ to enter heaven? Anyways, my question on the old testament and the new one. I read a quote once about Jesus saying that the rulings of the old testament should be followed as well as th new one. Is this accurate?

No it is not unfair in anyway. Like I sad earlier God has His timing.
Jesus never said the ruling of the Old Testament should be followed eventhough he lived under the ruling of the Old Testament. He established a completely different rules better than what was obtainable in the Old Testament.

sameera025:
The God that was revealed to them, shouldn't that be the same as Jesus since you say Jesus is God? What has been said of this God of their time? Are you also saying that none of them were admitted to heaven? No one that came before Christ had a chance of forgiveness and entrance to heaven because he wasn't there yet to die for their sins?

The Godhead comprises of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The father was reveale to them in the Old Testament.
Yes there were not totally forgiven as shown in the fact that they continued to offer sacrifice every year for the forgiveness of sins. The animal sacrifice offered a temporary cleansing but then Christ came and offered the final offering which is once and for all.
Yes they they did not go to heaven. The men who lived a righteous life were confined in Abraham's bosom.

sameera025:
Okay, you are saying they weren't perfect, but you agree that God spoke to them right? So does that mean there was only the father and the holy spirit since Jesus hadn't come yet to form the trinity? What did the people before Christ have to worship in order to get into heaven? David and Moses tell their people to worship the Jesus that hadn't come yet? I never fully understood the trinity, these questions i'm asking will give me a better understanding.

God has a timing and when the time came the son was sent to redeem Nankind. In the Old Testament God was revealed to man mostly as God the father then Christ came( the son) and right now is the dispensation of the Holy Spirit.
In the Old Testament they people of Israel worshipped the God that was revealed to them but they truth remains that they were not perfect to go heaven. For the bible says " without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin" so the blood of Christ was shed and forgiveness were granted to all people who accepted Christ a their Lord and savior.

Gombs:
Exactly. First fruit is your first and best,given to the Lord. Ask Abel

As far I am concerned,what you guys do is to bring up a rediculous idea to generate money, then you look for a scripture, twist it and back it up.
I just have a simple advice to give you, always look at what the apostles did or preached so that you won't be fooled. Is it that we present penticostal churches know better than the apostles of Jesus Christ or even Christ himself.
I understand the huge financial expenses which you guys are carrying but the question is, is that what God requires of us today or are we just doing as we like?

[quote author=sameera025 post=29872874][/quote]David and Moses spoke about Christ who would come. Abraham did not speak about Christ but the even in his life pointed to Christ eg when God asked him to sacrifice Isaac.
Noah, Joseph and even Jacob did not talk about Christ but the truth is that these men still needed to be saved through the sacrifice. They were not totally redeemed until the Christ was sacrificed.

christopher123:
Who told you is a stupid idea ..what happened in north and what is has happened in middle belt

Global issues are pointers to this trends

Is the middle belt all Muslims ?are all northerners Muslims ? Please be objective.

Gombs:
Exactly. First fruit is your first and best,given to the Lord. Ask Abel

I wonder how you guys think. Always twisting scriptures. How does Abel's sacrifice degenerate to asking Christians to surrender their first month salary to another.
Do you at all take a look what the real apostles of Christ taught in the areas of given before doing what you are doing. Why must we bring one event tht happened in the past to back a rediculous practice.
Even in practical terms first fruit is not feasible. I am talking from experience.

Sweet marriage. Chai

sameera025:
Where did I mention islamising Nigeria? I never suggested that in any way.

Please I was not referring to you. I actually was writing to the silly guy that wrote that rubbish.

If God appear to me and ask me to give him my whole life savings, I will do it without a second thought but let's say I am in a church and the pastor request I empty my account saying it is a message from God, my dear I will never do it.

Gombs:
Weep not child! The hour cometh and is now when you lot will wish you didn't attack the Church of God.

I am not attacking the church of Christ. I am showing you your foolishness. There is no scripture that says your January salary is your first fruit. Is that hard for you to understand? For Gods sake take up your bible and study for yourself.

christopher123:
Brethren,


This is a desperate and urgent call from the throne of Grace that the brethren in Christ are about to make the greatest error of their lives by selling off their kingly heritage for a mess of pottage called "change". Change into what? Change into what happened to Egypt , Sudan, Lybia, Algeria and Turkey which were once flourishing Christian countries but because the brethren there also sold their souls on the premise of "it does not matter" they became the last set of Christians in those countries! Remember Turkey! It was the beautiful Christian country called Constantinople! Today it is history!


The foundation of the planned islamisation of Nigeria was taken in 1989 in Abuja by OIC. Since then they have not looked back! Our Government gave them a contribution of 21 billion dollars then! Wonder then where the funding of boko Haram is coming from? They have painfully now infiltrated one of the biggest denominations in Nigeria and offered one of their best Pastors -a Professor,a Vice presidential Slot! Now a larger community of that denomination now promotes this "change"! They did it in Constantinople ! Remember brethren, that the biggest denomination of Christians in the North - the EYN has been wiped off! All their churches burnt. You may say that it is the North it can't get here! They said the same thing in Sudan, Libya, Algeria and Constantinople! How come the brethren have become so dulled in the Spirit that they no longer are sensitive?
We may be the last Christians in Nigeria if this grave error the brethren is about to commit is not averted! Our Lord Jesus is greatly miffed by our irresponsibility as His Followers! How come we no longer hear Him! The Great shepherd of the Sheep! How come that Christians have forgotten that this country was made ungovernable by these same people and Christians are holding the wrong person responsible? How come? The signs of the eventual Islamization of Nigeria are awash in the 1999 constitution where Islam, Sharia are mentioned more than 100 times.! Not a single mention of Christ or Christianity! You say it does not matter. Now, mark it you cannot amend the constitution without a bitter progrom!


Brethren, the night is here! We must contend for the faith and our heritage which was handed once and for all to us by our maker!


Don't relent, sound this trumpet by forwarding same to all your contacts! We will not be the last Christians in Nigeria! Amen.

Now read this ..it has been circulating globally ..just bumped into this


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The idea of Islamising Nigeria is a very stupid idea that is being fed to gullible people. You did no try at all.

when man erred from the command not to eat the fruit of the knowledge good and evil, man died a spiritual death even though he was still physically alive. now a sacrifice was needed to bring back man to that point where he can enjoy the same fellowship he had with God in the garden of EDEN. who will qualify for this sacrifice must be a sinless. nobody or creature on earth was sinless therefore God himself have to send his son(Christ) who was there during the creation of all things in the form of a man to die for the sins of the whole world. now the command is simple for us Christians, a way has been carved out by God himself for us to reach him and the way is Jesus christ. if you worship christ, you are worshiping God cos they are the same in the Godhead.
A better physical analogy is the present democratic system of Government where there is the executive, the legislature and the judiciary. Here you dont only obey the executive but both the legislatures and the judiciary.the three arms of government is equal even though they have different functions, therefore Christ is the Godhead that was sacrificed for the sins of the whole world, the Holy spirit and the power of God that performs the physical wonders of God while the Father is the Godhead which issues the command.
Another thing you have to understand is that when Christ was on earth, sometime he related to God as higher being. the simple reason is because then he is relating with God as a human. at other time he relates with God as an equal knowing fully that he was once in the realm of the glory sharing equality with God in the Godhead. But now he died, he has risen and has gone back to where he shared equality with the father God, therefore for us to have access to the Godhead( the union), it must have to be through Christ. if you worship Christ, you are automatically worshiping the father and even the holy spirit for they are all equal and share the same glory.

sameera025:
Okay, so you are saying God is the father, Jesus is the son and we know Mary is the mother of Jesus. You still haven't mentioned anything about the father though. Since you have acknowledged that the father is God, isn't he is the one we should thank for our existence, the world around us, all that he has provided? You gave the analogy of having to be introduced to a Governor before seeing him. So using that analogy, why should the person giving the introduction be given all the praise and worship for the Governor's work? Sorry, I'm merely trying to understand your faith better, hence all these questions.

sameera025:
Okay, good question. I looked up the hadith in question and found out the hadith is said to be considered unauthentic due to a number of reasons. One reason being, Ibn ‘Abbas was a boy of 13 when the Holy Prophet died. It is not conceivable that the Holy Prophet will give a law prescribing death penalty in a way that only a boy of less than 13 will transmit it to the future generations. More about it can be found here:
http://islamicperspectives.com/punishmentofapostasy_part2.html
Thanks.

If what I red here is the absolute truth, then how come the death penalty is so rampant in the Muslim world for the apostate eg the last year South Sudan sentencing of a pregnant Christian woman whose father is a Muslim. Can one say that the Sudanese government is misguided or just ignorant of the true teaching of Islam. I am sure that the woman will be dead by now if not for the cry of the whole world.

Firmjudge:
Sameera025 salaam,
I have being following your thread keenly and i discovered how you answered ajibam question by using this qoute from At-Tirmidhi hadeth.
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(I added the hadeth numbers below to show you i know what am saying.)
"Do not be people without minds of your own,
saying that if others treat you well you will treat
them well, and that if they do wrong you will do
wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong
(even) if they do evil." (Al-Tirmidhi)
[Al-Tirmidhi #1325]

Now fast forward to Rich4God question on Killing apostate you only qouted the quran, i went to my library and i was able to get this same hadeth from the above book you qouted refuting what you have said that it is not allowed forgetting that hadeths are the deeds and sayings of Mohammed. (Reference number included.)
Ahmad ibn ‘Abdah al-Dabbi al-Basri related to us: ‘Abd al- Wahhab al- Thaqafi related to us: Ayyub related to us from ‘Ikrimah that ‘Ali burned some people who abandoned Islam. This reached Ibn ‘Abbas and he said: I would have
killed them in accordance with the word of the Messenger of God:
‘Whoever changed his religion kill him’. I would not have burnt them in view of the word of the Messenger of God: ‘Do not punish with the punishment of God.’ This reached
‘Ali and he said: Ibn ‘Abbas has spoken the truth” (Tirmidhi 1378) A-IV)


Now my question is do you affirm this or not, if not what is your take on the fact that this is coming from the same source you once qouted in answering Ajibam question.
Please this is not to pull a long debate or discourage what you are trying to do here which i fully endorse but just drawing your attention to this kind of standard.
Thank you.

Please you guys should come and do justice to the second quote. It clearly showed that it Muslims are allowed to kill the apostate but not by burning them with fire which is referred to as the punishment of God.