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yes they can capture the whole north if they feel like. i don't care. there was a time when Nigeria no nothing like sharia and then some idiots went and brought it to our once peaceful country and now here is the result.

Any church or pastor that collect first fruit from its members are serving the devil.
That's my opinion.

Picture of the spirit ghost or ?

Ignore this guy. It will pay off.

Sjones:
What exactly do u intend to achieve with this nonesense write up ?

Pastor Anita never accused her husband of adultery.Cablnews.ng that first came up with d news smuggled in that word"adultery" to deceive d whole world especially those of u that love lies and enjoy feasting on things like this.

If u can write so well,use it to preach d gospel and u wil have a reward.

One of them foot soldiers.
@op I can relate with all the things you wrote up there. Pastor Chris is a very smart guy and his smartness has brought him to limelight. As smart as I am I once fell for the whole sweet talk but I have dust myself from where I fell. Am taking back my Brain.

The church of the deceived mugus. They will soon be here to tell why it should be so.

I have only one answer as to the why. It is the love of money.

asodeboyede:
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ
hath made us free, and be not entangled again with
the yoke of bondage."
"Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus
Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law,
but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those
who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ
Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you
free from the law of sin and death. For what the
law was powerless to do because it was weakened by
the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the
likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so
he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the
righteous requirement of the law might be fully met
in us, who do not live according to the flesh but
according to the Spirit."
I am not a prisoner of the law, so I pledged no allegiance to the law!
Love is supreme, that is the New Divine Order!
If you love God, your tithe won't be a heck!
Capisce?

Those who demand tithe from Christians knows exactly what they are doing . There is a conspiracy theory going on but the gullible will not know.

asodeboyede:
Christians who don't even read their bibles.
SMH.
A pitiable religion indeed.
Shake your head very well bro; it seems you don't know there is no alteration or reconciliation at the other side of the river! So think well....
Selah!

That's the problem that I have with the present Nigeria Christianity. You will always bring the other side of the river to make men to obey what they have seen to be wrong. Why obey the law when you can't obey all.

And now there is Bokoharam and they point accusing fingers to Gej.
When they sold the seeds of terrorism they never taught of Bokoharam and now here it is and the president is to be blamed.

ayoku777:
You're very sure?

The lake of fire is the second death. And satan, demons and humans will burn there for ever.

So it means the second death is not the cessation of existence but the torment of eternal separation from God.

Do you think death only always imply end of existence? If someone is spiritually dead, does it mean their human spirit ceases to exist?

Hmmm.

Don't worry I will show you later with scriptures why I believe what I believe

ayoku777:
You're very sure?

The lake of fire is the second death. And satan, demons and humans will burn there for ever.

So it means the second death is not the cessation of existence but the torment of eternal separation from God.

Do you think death only always imply end of existence? If someone is spiritually dead, does it mean their human spirit ceases to exist?

Hmmm.

Don't worry I will engage you later and I will explain to you why I believe what I believe.

ayoku777:
You want to imply that only Satan and his demons will suffer the fate of being tormented "day and night for ever and ever."

That is wrong. Its the same fate for everyone who goes to the lake of fire -humans and demons alike.

Rev 14v9-11 -And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, IF ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation, AND HE SHALL BE TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOR EVER AND EVER: and THEY HAVE NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Please this is clear, that its NOT only Satan and his demons that will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The same fate of torment for ever and ever and no rest day nor night awaits both human and demons -everyone who ends up in the lake of fire.

This is the closest statement suggesting eternal torment but I am very sure the whole things ends in death. That is why the same revelation talked about second death.

ayoku777:
Revelation 20v10 -And the devil that deceiveth them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER.

This scripture describes the experience of the lake of fire and of those who end up there. And it in no way supports the view point of the cessation of existence.

The TORMENT of those who go to the lake of fire is DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER.

Someone who ceases to exist CANNOT be tormented for ever and ever. Because he would be no more alive, animate or conscious. He can't see, feel, cry or be in pain or torment anymore if he ceases to exist.

If the lake of fire obliterates its occupants into non-existence, then their torment cannot be "DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER"

Unless for ever and ever has another meaning other than the meaning the scripture gives it -which means something that has no end.

But it doesn't.

Revelation 4v9 -And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to Him that sat on the throne, WHO LIVETH FOR EVER AND EVER.

Can you see that?

The same "for ever and ever" that the scripture uses to quality the longevity of the existence of God, is the same "for ever and ever" the scripture uses to qualify the longevity of the torment of those who go to the lake of fire.

The scripture was talking about the devil and never said what humans will experience.

shdemidemi:
But we see things like eternal destruction every where in scripture
Matthew 25
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into [size=24pt]everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels[/size]:

We can't just ignore all of these,or can we?

Eternal destruction is all about destruction that last till eternity.if it torture, it won't be a big deal for the bible to tell us that it is eternlq torture.Eternal fire showing the flames are always there.
The second death happens at the lake of fire. It is death and not life in torture.

shdemidemi:
The idea of preaching hell and heaven cannot bring anyone to salvation. There is no power of God unto salvation behind such teaching. But, does that stop hell from being real? Never.

A parable depicted what hell will be like and a certain man requested to go tell the world about it... God discontinued such idea.

The only gospel that has the inherent power to save remains the news of Christ

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. [size=28pt]It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes[/size]—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

To set the record straight I am not in anyway saying there is no hell. Infact hell is terrible and painful to be in. Sorry for those that will land there. My interest is to show how it is and not how they say it is. Hell fire represent the second death and am convinced the endpoint of those who go there is a discontinuation of their existence and that will definitely take a painful process to achieve. That is why Jesus will say there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The whole painful process ends in death and not a continued torture.

honourhim:
Bro I don't want toture whether temporary or eternal. All na torture though one is more severe than the other. But why should I even head for torture even if its temporary when there is a place of eternal bliss in heaven?

Temporary torture is not a solution too. Its not as if the preaching of total anhilliation will make all or majority of the unbelievers to repent. Not at all.

Bro it is true but a well packaged lie under the threat of eternal torture will recieve mass audience. So what I am doing is to expose the lie so that those who want to worship Christ will do so not out of fear.

Image123:
So you have added dodging to the artillery? Lie, imply', add to the Word, and dodge. What is ROR by the way? You have no idea.

If you don't know what is ROR then I can tell you. Another guy name for it is messenger angel. Why should I dodge you. If all the scriptures that Frosbel is giving to you is not making sense to you then is it
My own that will make sense.
Bros park well.I know where you belong. When your pastor supported immorality you were busy all over internet defending him.When an idea is not coming from your pastor it won't make sense to you.

WhiteTechnology:
1) Resource Control

2) Fiscal Federalism

3) Privatization

4) Political Federalism

5) Decentralization of Nigeria

6) Restructuring of Nigeria

6) Institutions giving detail account of their financial/other activities to the public through their websites/panels for public scrutiny every 3months.


Which are the fastest route to

I) economic diversification,
ii) citizenry prosperity
iii) political stability


These 7 points are the basis of True Federalism which can help Nigeria become a Super Power and a first world Nation.

The north do not want all these. Just give them Buhari and they will be happy.

Image123:
What are the other passages that make us know that God will actually destroy soul and body in hell. I hope you can see that you now have to lie, imply', add to just to help these websites?

No need because I know you too well. Nothing makes sense to you because it is not coming from ROR.

honourhim:
I'm just smilling at you people as you argue. This issue is not what argument solves because if any camp wins and what the winning camp stands for is wrong then no gain.

Yes but the truth remains the truth. Why am I interested in this discussion? Is it because I am going to hell? Or because I am afraid of eternal torture? The answer is capital NO.
I will inherit eternal life and I work out my salvation through dear and trembling but I am doing what I am doing because
1. I understand the need to release people from unnecessary fear. Christians have been taken advantage of by those who teach. Here people are told to pay tithe, pay first fruit and all other dubious money making schemes with the threat of eternal torture in hell if they fail. To obey. You see people living in fear and doing things because they just want to avoid the torture of hell. Even if na you, you will do anything foolish to avoid the place of torture.
2. I also understand the need for people to love God not because they are threatened but because they want to love God. As a small boy the only idea I had about God is one guy living in the sky who will send bad people to hell and torture them for eternity. I did not love God but I was afriad of him. That is how many Christians are today exhibiting false love and obedience for God.

there are a lot of stupid people in this world and it amaze me a lot. Shekau is still living and the idiots are dieing. is unfortunate how some people see their life as worthless while they regard the other mans life as precious.
Religion of the stupid people.

Image123:
hope this is not the kobo kobo ideas that frosb's websites are presenting?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is ABLE TO destroy both soul and body in hell. It does not say that God will destroy both soul and body in hell. No BODY is going to hell(except the grave) in the first instance. Your physical bodies is dust and will return to dust, not hell.

Of course it is kobo kobo idea because it is not written in the pages of the messenger angel(ROR). This guy you don't cease to amaze me.
God is able to to destroy both soul and body in hell is what is written there and I know what Jesus implies. He is saying God has the power to destroy both souls and body in hell and other passages made us know that God will actually destroy both soul and body in hell.
The only problem you have is because no be your pastor de teach am

shdemidemi:
But you called me a liar before now.. do I deserve an apology from you?

We are sure not learning language but contextual interpretations might be lost if we do not go back to study through helpful tools appropriately. In the context of that verse where 'destruction' was used, it was definitely speaking of a loss, ruin of well being and not annihilation of being.

I owe no apology to you because I don't know the source of your definition but from what I can see online there are two opposing meaning to the word used. Many people believe that the word appolumi means total destruction while some others see it as lose of well being. Therefore I base my argument on the general statement that has been in the bible concerning hell and from their will I draw my conclusion. I believe the sinners will die and that is the opposite of what the rightous will receive from God.

shdemidemi:
OK.. Now I will paste just the part that says so...please read carefully and objectively-

does not imply "annihilation" (see the meaning of the root-verb, 622 /apóllymi, "cut off"wink but instead[b] "loss of well-being" rather than being[/b](Vine's Expository Dictionary, 165; cf. Jn 11:50; Ac 5:37; 1 Cor 10:9-10; Jude 11).

Can you see the part it says loss orwell being and not loss of being?

Go back and read the bible. We are not learning language. From what I can gather appolumi can be users in either the active or passive voice. It depends on which angle you are conning from.
If you are looking at it from active voice it could suggest lose of wellbeing meanwhile the passive voice suggest total destruction.

shdemidemi:
Strong's Concordance
apóleia: destruction, loss
Original Word: ἀπώλεια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apóleia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-o'-li-a)
Short Definition: destruction, ruin, loss
Definition: destruction, ruin, loss, perishing; eternal ruin.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 684 apṓleia (from 622 /apóllymi, "cut off" – destruction, causing someone (something) to be completely severed – cut off (entirely) from what could or should have been. (Note the force of the prefix, apo.) See 622 (apollymi).

684 /apṓleia ("perdition" [size=32pt]does not imply "annihilation" (see the meaning of the root-verb, 622 /apóllymi, "cut off" but instead "loss of well-being" rather than being[/size](Vine's Expository Dictionary, 165; cf. Jn 11:50; Ac 5:37; 1 Cor 10:9-10; Jude 11).

Those are simple English. The sense does not in anyway imply never ending torture or loss of wellbeing.
I can see ruin, destroy, completely cut off and the other words. I can't see anything suggesting a torturous existence.

shdemidemi:
Destruction....appolumi in the greek

The idea is not extinction but loss of well being and not of being.

Do your research.

Bro I know the Greek word and you jut lied about the meaning. It means extinction.
Stop lieing.

shdemidemi:
Are you also denying the obvious like 'god' frosbel? We have so many description of hell and absolutely nothing makes it seem like a tolerable place rather it is commonly painted as a place of anguish, hopelessness and punishment.


2 Thess 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Jude 1313 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

What so you understand by destruction? Is it unending torture? If yes tell me how. Destruction in the scripture you quote talks about the state of the sinners which is the second death. Please how can death become translated as an unending torture. Is simple English. Try and read the Jude quote in contest before pasting one verse to prove a point.

michaelwestern:
You clearly have not been reading your bible very well. Jesus Christ indicated that the torture would be everlasting. An example is in mark.

Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

If you read the whole chapter you will deduce that He was describing hell fire as a place of everlasting torture.

Read your bible by yourself with the help of the Holy Spirit. All these websites will just prey on your limited knowledge of the bible to mislead you. They will quote aspects that supports their claim and interpret it wrongly but they wont quote verses in the scripture that goes against their point. Be careful.

This the scripture you quote from mark 9:42-48

42“If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied round his neck and be thrown into the sea. 43So if your hand makes you lose your faith, cut it off! It is better for you to enter life without a hand than to keep both hands and go off to hell, to the fire that never goes out. 45And if your foot makes you lose your faith, cut it off! It is better for you to enter life without a foot than to keep both feet and be thrown into hell. 47And if your eye makes you lose your faith, take it out! It is better for you to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to keep both eyes and be thrown into hell.48There ‘the worms that eat them never die, and the fire that burns them is never put out.’

Please where did Jesus suggest the people will be alive in hell in the whole the above passage.
He is describing hell and what it is like. He never described the experience of people there and therefore it is safe if you can take time and read other statement made by Jesus as regards to the fate of sinners. Leave what you have been told for awhile and read the whole statement of Jesus on punishment and reward of sinners.
Let's not say what the bible did not say.

michaelwestern:
So you mean that Jesus Christ was saying that the fire that will burn their dead bodies will not be quenched? Really? Please read the whole chapter.

This is a simple statement made by Jesus in Mathew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

From the scripture it is obvious that Gods plan is to destroy the sinners body and soul in hell. No mention was made of never ending torturous conscious existence.

michaelwestern:
You clearly have not been reading your bible very well. Jesus Christ indicated that the torture would be everlasting. An example is in mark.

Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

If you read the whole chapter you will deduce that He was describing hell fire as a place of everlasting torture.

Read your bible by yourself with the help of the Holy Spirit. All these websites will just prey on your limited knowledge of the bible to mislead you. They will quote aspects that supports their claim and interpret it wrongly but they wont quote verses in the scripture that goes against their point. Be careful.

Have you seen a dead body. What happens to it is that there will definitely be worm all over it. The fire of hell is forever does not mean sinners are conscious in it. It only means that the fire keep burning. Please let's not say what the bible did not say because you want to prove a point.
The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. The sinners receive the opposite of what the righteous will receive and that is death.