₦airaland Forum

CarterKim:
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yes I have

cana882:
One word, bad
I don't blame the children. I blame the society that have embraced promiscuity as a trend. Where decency is mocked and unclothedness mentored. Where bastardized celebrities with moral miscarriage are people's role models. Where social platforms promotes nudity and portrays it as a norm.

The future is endangered and the present is the enemy. Parents please imbibe and inculcate morals into your children as a culture.

May God help us all

you just poured my mind... And stupid atheist on this forum will tell you its normal

The guy sukkot is absolutely right.. Yea you can have sympathy for him but not to the extent if putting it on FP... We blacks are really inferior, we have 100s of people dying due to cancer in Nigeria, which one has NL published.. But when a white dies.. We start licking their ass... Sukkot thumbs up jare..

mukhcech:
I don't know what to tell you. But if u are a Muslim. Pls do seek forgiveness from ur Lord.

dude he was referring to that guy's grammar error

AlBaqir:
# Is his name now "sha'adah"?

Anyway, I always attack those clown because nothing good come out of them.

have you ever wondered how strong the bond of sha'adah we are sharing is?

They are coming with hate now....

Beautiful!

selfmadeboss:
yes i am a muslim and believe all of the above blah blah blah.
wtf. must i accept that before i replay to a post posted like a potential suicide bomber?

k

AlBaqir:
# You have been known to be a bastard liar especially when cornered. According to you, the guy vilify Muslim. Fine! How do you prove your "laughter" and "Gbosa Gbosa!!!" when you quote the idiot?

# Those things signify you approved his action. Prove me otherwise.

baba he is mimicking that guy's grammar... You are always ready to attack the sha'adah

QueenOfNepal:
How does it concern us the Nairalanders

who are the us?

QueenOfNepal:
In Nepal we don't know any of those people you mentioned

you don't need to know..

Close range shot!

Temysteve:
and when you're reading the language you can't interprete/understand, what does that mean to you?

translate.google.com

Get the interpretation of any language you wish..

plainbibletruth:
Is Mohamed's biography there?
That may interest me.
So, tell me.

is that supposed to be the answer?

plainbibletruth:
Empiree & yourself should note this:


If you would rather go with Mohamed - who without cause ruthlessly attacked and plundered others, took men, women, and children as slaves, giving the female slaves to his soldiers as their property and his soldiers using the slaves for their sexual pleasure; slave women who were allowed to be raped because they were seen as mere property - Than the Prince of PEACE - Jesus Christ, the choice is yours. But THE DIFFERENCE IS CLEAR!

Here is one who was morally bankrupt (unless you can PROVE this wrong ) and the other - Jesus Christ - who was "holy, blameless, unstained [by sin], separated from sinners and exalted higher than the heavens;" (Hebrews 7:26).

One was NOT SURE where he and his followers would end up. The other is the author and provider of eternal life and CONFIDENTLY DECLARED so.

The CONTRAST is unmistakable to common sense; even by Islamic evidence alone.

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28

do you accept the Old testament?
Yes or No

plainbibletruth:
When in the face of GLARING EVIDENCE a man decides to turn the other way, he can only be allowed to face the consequences of his decision.

Free thinking is, not just restricted, but shut off in Islam. Empiree, Ifleak and their like, consciously or unconsciously, have to fight against common sense when faced with issues they've been CONDITIONED to passively accept without any question.

They need to come to the realization that Jesus, The UNIQUE ONE whom the quran itself says is the MESSIAH (the Christ, the Saviour) and who ALONE according to the quran was given the power to raise the dead, is their ONLY hope for eternity with God.

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

basic English is even a huge problem to you... Face the catch22 broyo..

true2god:
Which questions are you hammering on?

don't pretend buddy..

true2god:
WAYO as in what? Is it a crime for me to articulate my argument properly? When you can't handle the truth you call it WAYO.

Attacking me personally cannot help you and has never helped anyone. You need to take a second look at your Islamic source documents and see that its full of fraud and has nothing to do with allahh and Mohammed. I have provided an hadith which proved that even your present Koran is the idea of Abu Bakr and Omar, and was compiled by uthman, the 3rd khalifa.

In your mosques and madrasas you were told that allahh handed over the Quran to Mohammed which you believed since your childhood days hence find it hard to believe that no allahh handed over any Quran to Mohammed. You need not believe me, but believe in your sahih bukhari, sahih Muslim and the sunnah of Abu dawood and Ibn majjah which all claimed that Quran is the work of the 1st to the 3rd khalifa.

See what Aisha herself said about your Koran, which you all claimed God personally sent down to Mohammed. Sunnah Ibn majjah hadith number 1944:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed 1 , and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Lookup the above hadith, even allahh cannot protect your Koran from an ordinary goat and what the you guys are telling is that 'THE QURAN IS PERFECT'.

Perfect ko, prefect ni! Mtcheeeeewww. Oshi ati iranu.

catch 22 still flying over you..

plainbibletruth:
It clear that it's you and your partner who are CAUGHT in your 2+2 = 5 prayer tangle

Bottom line: Islam needs to call a CONFERENCE, agree on what to harmonize in its holy books and come up with a new and more widely acceptable Islam.

Otherwise Islam will SELF-DESTRUCT!.

your last line shows your pain, you are so pained Islam has gained ground and spreading to all corners.. Self destruct? Lol! Go check on your brothers, they all atheists now.. Tell me who is destructing? Meanwhile both of you are ignoring the question..

With these, true2god + plainbibletruth couldn't escape my catch22.
If only you can even try...

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true2god:
You never still establish, from the Koran, where allahh asked Muslims asked Muslims for a 5 times daily prayer. And FYI, the Shi'a official numbers of daily prayer is 3/against the shia 5. Who is right, the Shi'a or the Sunnis?

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Empty!

Empiree:
he's trying to trick you. I know him well and I know how to handle him . He's full of WAYO. If you are not careful he's going to make you hate yourself. He can't dare me though.

Ask him what is "bible studies" (where verses or passages of bible are explained) to them is derived from and from whose authority?

Exactly,

true2god:
So you can pick what you want from the Koran to make up your 'make believe' sharia law? No, thats not acceptable. The sharia law is the made up Koranic instructions, the sunnah of your prophet and the ways of the sahabas. As of fact, the Quran made a very insignificant contribution to the Islamic school of jurisprudence and the making of the sharia law itself. Stop deceiving yourself.

Go back and ask your Islamic teacher and stop being deceptive.

the bolded! And u will teach me Islam? Nah no way..

plainbibletruth:
You need to calm down. These issues have eternal consequences so don't make them play issues.

Let's look at your comments.
Supplement means:
something that is added to something else in order to make it complete

Enhance:
to increase or improve (something)

Summary : The other books add to the quran to make it complete and better improved for comprehension. Therefore the quran's claim to be CLEAR ARABIC, FULLY DETAILED and CLARIFFICATION FOR ALL THINGS is false.

You even alluded to this when you wrote:

2. Neither the number 5 nor a listing in words of five times of prayer is found in the quran. We have proven that. You had to look for the 5 prayers by combining two verses to try to add up your figures without success. Your partner was not too helpful either.

Summary : Many practices in Islam are based on traditions rather any clear quranic injunctions.

I understand the game you are trying to play...
Maybe a line statement will help you.
Anything that complies and accepted by the Quran is legit, but once it doesn't it is rejected..
The bolded is never violated unless it goes against any letter of the Quran..

plainbibletruth:
You only need to answer the questions in “simple readable sentences”. Those words in quotes are your words.

Why resort to Jihadist tactic?

1. DOES Islam DEPEND on the quran AND on other books even when the quran says it has given EVERYTHING IN DETAILS?

2. Praying 5 times a day is NOT SPECIFICALLY stated in the quran but have to be arrived at by deduction. Right?

your own case is even worse that true2god...
now open your mind and listen for the very last time...

1. Yes, the Qur'an is fully detailed. The Quran doesn't depend on other books rather, other books depends on the Qur'an. Other books serve as SUPPLIMENTARY ( according to google.com and dictonary.com means to enhancing something.)

2. As illustrated above, it's present in Qur'an, not by deduction but by common sense.

While you and your mate go online to search for SUPPOSED flaws in the Quran and Islam, all the flaws have been flawed, so I will advice you to continue bringing them to open your mind.

Mind you, you might want to help your brother true2god to lift the Catch22 trap he entered since morning...

plainbibletruth:
The question was - show from the quran where it says 5 times a day prayers.

What did you guys do - 1 + 1 divided by plus minus square root of multiplied by, .... bla bla bla

Remember the quran is supposed to be VERY PLAIN or CLEAR so, why the complications?

the eyes are nt blind, but their minds are...

plainbibletruth:
1. So you admit that Islam DEPENDS not only on the quran BUT on other books even when the quran says it has given EVERYTHING IN DETAILS. Right?

2. See your post:


Nothing here states 5 times a day prayers. "EVENTIDE", "LATE AFTERNOON" and "WHEN THE DAY BEGINS TO DECLINE" mean the same thing. Unless you can prove otherwise.

Your friend tried to put some figures together to arrive at 5.

It appears the quran DOES NOT ACTUALLY say 5 and so it has to take some RIGMAROLE to confirm Islam's established position.

Can you make things simpler?

If am to make things simple, I will have to axe your skull, then communicate with your brain directly....

plainbibletruth:
Whao!

So you have to go through all these arithmetic to arrive at 5 times a day prayers?

Please congratulate yourself!

he provided SUPPLIMENTARY proofs there... its never a COINCIDENCE! take it or you leave it...

plainbibletruth:
Your posts:

I have just 2 issues I need you to clarify:
Please explain them in “simple readable sentences” so that those of us who are not as well read as you are can comprehend easily.
1. If the quran says in 6:114: "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters."

And in 6:38 had said:"We did not leave anything out of this book"

Then in 16:89 it says this:"And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims."

Additionally in 18:54 that:"....He has revealed to you this book fully detailed"

Why does Islam need ANOTHER SET OF BOOKS for “PRACTISE of the laws” as you claim in one of your above pasted posts when the quran says in 6:114 – "....the Book explained in detail" and that “We DID NOT leave anything out of this book” (6:38) and also that “EXPLANATIONS” have been provided for “EVERYTHING” in “this book” i.e. the quran?
When 6:114 says it has revealed things “FULLY DETAILED” why do you need another book to give ADDITIONAL details as to the “PRACTISE”?
Is it that the quran is then not FULLY DETAILED and does not give ”EXPLANATIONS” for “EVERYTHING” ? And if so, is the quran’s claim not wrong if Moslems have to resort to the hadith and other sources at all for whatever clarification?

2. Is your praying 5 times a day SPECIFICALLY instructed in the quran? If so, where is that number of times of prayers (i.e. 5) commanded in the quran?

I await your response.

Good! you both switched to learning mode.

1. Yea, the QURAN already addressed ALL the points you will need to be on the right path. BUT the PRACTISE was done by the prophet... A chemist somewhere has written a textbook on everything about Chemical reaction, then you won't understand unless being explained and practised in real life to you. same applies.

2. Like I said earlier above; It is the messenger that will teach and demonstrate HOW TO, WHEN TO, WHERE TO WHY TO WHO TO I have already touched out the 5 compulsory prayers above. If you expect me to show you where it is written like "O muslims, pray 5 times a day" then you are wrong.

true2god:
I am sorry bro, you never show me any place, in the Quran, where allahh asked you to pray 5 times a day. I don't need your conjectural and hypothetical response. Show me where the Koran mandated you to pray 5 times a day.

Good! You are now showing signs of learning...

The Quran is the GUIDE of all Muslims and Islam.
It contains almost all we need to be on the RIGHT PATH.
However, you can't expect it to contain step by step description (if that is the case, it will be taller than 6ft in size) because it covers almost everything. That is where the MESSENGER comes in. That's is what all prophet of Allah including Jesus was sent to do, to demonstrate and teach people how to be on the RIGHT PATH(siraato li mustaqqim). If the Qur'an tells us to Pray. It is the messenger that will teach and demonstrate HOW TO, WHEN TO, WHERE TO WHY TO WHO TO pray to. Same thing to all other concepts in the Quran. If you wish to learn more, drop your 3in1 and embrace Islam.

Note the capitalized and bolded!

true2god:
I got no time for your 'summary' quotes, they are deceptive and disingenuous. I asked you simple questions and you ended up listing all these 'half- quotes'. I asked you to show me where it is written, in the Qur'an, the punishment for adultery, drinking and stealing, but you rather laboured yourself with irrelevant quotes. If I say you lacked the ability to comprehend a simple question, will I be faulted?

Anyway that aside, are the ayah below part of the Sharia laws:

Qur'an 9:29:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran 8:39:
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

Quran 8:60
And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

Quran 5:33,
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.

lol! I already answered your question sharia questions up there...

lmao! I love the way you keep drifting away, shows you are learning...
now you have rolled to another topic!
Your question
are the ayah below part of the Sharia laws: NO.

I know where you are drifting to, continue... You still have a CATCH22 over you!

Empiree:
they are hypocritical. i know them well

you see the way both of them are dodging that Question...