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cococandy:
Oh yea he’s just an innocent clown. That’s all it is. Nothing more serious than that 🤦🏽‍♀️.

Have you read all or some of project 2025? Did you read it and then thought he had nothing to do with it?

Because they’ve been loud about what they’re planning to do. Just because you guys don’t want to accept how deranged their plans are, you’re playing it down. They are already doing it and you are chucking it up to him just being a clown.

Do you think him removing agency directors and gutting non-partisan organizations is just a clownish funny act?

Which part of the post you just quoted isn’t already in play?

That they are trying to take women’s rights to bodily autonomy and reproductive healthcare?
What do you think the end result of that would be? Less women in the workplace. no?

That they are challenging the qualifications of anyone who isn’t white? what do you think the end result of that would be? What do you understand by Trump’s speech where he said illegals are taking black jobs when we know illegals mostly work in the fields?

Am I the one who introduced the bill for 3rd term?

Man I can’t do this both siding of things you seem committed to doing.

Your inability to recognize that they have moved passed the stage of friendly debate and are now trying to get rid of anyone they feel will stand in their way of achieving their 4th reich is concerning.

Maybe you need to see that I wasn't joking when I called him a clown. I have been against the EOs from day 1, not just for him but for all presidents.

And yes, I can stay out of the warzone the two sides play here, that's why we have Independents. They do not need to be deep into any party to support or speak against a policy.

As a matter of fact, there's no difference between the right guys you condemn and your circle. Both of you are different sides of the same coin.

cococandy:
Oh they have started. Bookmark this post.

Trump is the face of their agenda. None of these ideas are his. He ran for president to avoid jail time. They promised him victory in exchange for being the scapegoat of what they want to achieve. After all anything is better than prison for a man like him.

That’s why these executive orders are coming in without pause. He doesn’t even know what he’s signing. Have you watched him ask “what’s this one?” as they are handing him papers to sign and then he proceeds to sign?

When it’s time for him to go away (he won’t complete the presidency) they’ll have his settlement waiting for him somewhere where a dedicated handler will be by his side at all times making sure he doesn’t talk.

Remember he was already starting to blab about how they didn’t need votes to win. I’m suspecting that may be why Elon had to move in with him at Mara Lago to keep an eye on him

With him out of the picture, JD Vance will take over. He’ll finish Trump’s term and do two terms of his own. That’s why a republican lawmaker was trying to introduce a third term bill. Trump is not who they have in mind for 3 terms.

After their 12 years are over (if it ever is) there will be no real institutions or govt agencies remaining. Schools will be private Christian schools that cost an arm and a leg and only the rich can afford to go.

Those black jobs he said illegal immigrants are taking (AKA field jobs) will be the majority of what’s available for black and brown people. Obviously no one can be black and qualified for something better . Has to be DEI.

Once he’s done demonizing DEI to the extent that he wants, what other option does an inherently unqualified non-white male have except field work? Unless you are a white woman. Then your place is have more babies and repopulate the declining aryan race.

These aren’t conjectures. It’s from the project 2025 that he “knows nothing about”. And the rest of it is even worse.

Wow!

Trump is a clown at this rate with the multiple EOs but on other issues about the 3rd term and Vance and other issues, that's basillico's template and you just sounded like him.

cococandy:
Absolutely Elon has worse intentions than the others.
You think this is me being hypocritical and you being non-hypocritical but it’s simply a lack of discerning insight.

All of them are the same. No billionaire loves to throw their money where they can not have leverage.

There is no difference between them, the only one difference is that Elon is open about his own while others care to operate from the shadows.

Most of the WEF and UN agencies operate according to their template too, not just the US politicians.

raumdeuter:
Prosperity of every American

Trump is about to place a tariff on Chinese imports, do you support this as his supporter?

If he doesn't weigh in on the impact of this decision, it may boomerang and become a flop.

I see this move as reckless but time will tell.
Let's see how this will make Americans prosperous.

IjeBos:
Let me be blunt.
I think these posts with you demonstrated what I was talking about.
You came here to say that something was extreme but when giving the opportunity to explain why, you couldn't.
It was glaringly obvious esp. with your Keystone example.

The media has been captured by right wing propaganda to such a degree that people hear the same phrases over and over, internalize them and don't even spend time trying to understand them for themselves.
I'm not saying it's your fault, but that is exactly what you just did.

That's why Basilico can write pages of pages of nonsensical posts filled with half truths and lies because he really doesn't understand 1/4 of the things he writes because he treats the nonsense he gets from Right Wing propaganda as truth.

I don't fall into the trap of the terminology, right, left, center. I don't think being moderate is being in the middle of Liberals and Conservatives.
I think you should figure out your morals/values, study each issue and then put your values towards them.

The problem for the US and this thread, people are no longer studying the issues, just ranting based on propaganda they heard. And it's usually the Trumpers.
You can't spend your time lying about living in the US, or doing a 180 reversal on your position of who you think Trump was and then want to pretend you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.

I think your thesis statement is wrong.

Ok, now you singled the keystone issue I didn't address and buttressed on it. I talked about others too. I couldn't address everything, I was tired because I just clocked out from my shift then but I addressed others from my opinion.

For the media, you forgot how people were banned for speaking their minds about the COVID-19 issue? Even Mark Zuckerberg recently spoke against his role in that.

The legacy media also were speaking in same direction, labelling others who have different opinions about certain issues.

While the right wing have their extremism which I condemn, we cannot ignore the fact of how the legacy media and other platforms were pro left to the extent that they can censor and cancel people for having different views.

Seems like the Dems are doing some assessments and finding that certain of their policies were off with neutrals which caused the election loss, maybe only their supporters haven't actually come to terms with it.

IjeBos:
Listen, because you don't agree with a policy doesn't make it extreme. It does sound like you are making comparisons in isolation.

You talked about the LGBTQ policy, but didn't name a Biden policy. Because it wasn't his policy. I disagree with the Transgender pronoun push. But, I also think everyone no matter who they are deserves the freedom to live and not be discriminated against. So, how do you marry those things as a leader?

You spoke about Keystone, but didn't talk about why it was extreme. Because it wasn't. Keystone wouldn't have had any effect on gas prices. It was just a delivery pipeline. We still get the same oil delivered other ways. The debate was, was the incremental gain from the Pipeline worth the cost of health hazards and environmental issues in the land it ran over. There has been a lot of scholarship on this. It wasn't.

You spoke about vaccines. But again, there are vaccine mandates for children. Why was this one different? Because it was politicized. Simple as that. How can something that we are mandated to get for other things like Polio be extreme?

Even Biden's border policy. There was no real difference in Biden's policies from Bush or Obama and even Trump first tem. The influx of immigrants was more because issues in the countries they came from post covid and the shutdown of the border because of the Covid emergency. The issue is the asylum law that needs to change, something the Republicans haven't wanted to do because it is a good campaign issues. Biden didn't want to bend the law, Trump had the Covid emergency order his 1st term and doesn't seem to care about laws this second term (he's even been deporting legal asylum seekers). What you consider extreme is Biden trying to manage the situation given the tools the law allowed him. For me that's not extreme.

Extreme is pardoning convicts who tried to overthrow the Capital
Extreme was the abortion ban
Extreme is lying that an election being stolen.
And you know how these things were Extreme, they haven't happened before in the history of our nation.

I understand the desire to both sides everything. But how does that help in understanding any situation?

You know the above I stated and most of his EOs got the required backlashes and even the media hounding too, so why will something that pushes far towards a direction not be extreme to the other side?

What do you see as extreme? Only what doesn't go towards the direction of your party?

It is obvious that you will never see anything wrong with the Dems policies which is your right and that is ok, so how do you want the GOP guys here to see anything with Trump's policies?

This place will never be a thread for discussion and learning because both sides have one aim, to argue to win instead of a discourse to learn and grow.

IjeBos:
Why was the repeal of Keystone extreme?
What was his LGBTQ policy and why was it extreme?
What was the difference between his border policies compared to Obama, Trump and even Bush sr, and why was it extreme?
Why was the Covid-19 vaccine mandate extreme given Us children have to get other vaccines to even register for school?

Did you not see the LGBTQ and there alphabets being placed above everyone? Their flags and whatever they are were made more important than everything and everyone else? The last Olympics and other LGBTQ issues in the US were placed on top of every other person. Don't get me wrong, I do not care about what grown adults care to do with their lives and how they choose to live, I only care about someone trying to force it down my throat.

Can we also talk about children allowed to make such delicate choices about their gender when they cannot be allowed to vote?

Be honest. The border policy of Biden and the lackadaisical attitude of whoever was made the Czar was so bad that even certain questionable people were allowed to flock into the US. There were so many innocent fellows, the criminals, however, who came in and did some crime were caught and let almost too easily to walk free. What do you expect them to do if not to whisper to their fellows across the border that they can also come in and nothing would be done.

I was told to take the COVID 19 vaccine at work that year, I refused. I told them that if all of them take the vaccine then they should be safe from me. Have you forgotten that so many people who had opposing views and reservations were bullied by the system?
What about how the media, including meta and others were told to block opposing views on their platforms. I mean, does anyone need to argue about the extreme nature of the administration towards whoever spoke against the vaccine mandate? People who didn't want to take vaccines lost their jobs in the military and other institutions both private and public.

I understand you support the Dems, but not seeing anything wrong with everything they do isn't how it should be.

Like I told someone the other day, I used to be liberal leaning but there were things I wasn't comfortable with that made me mute myself from conversations here for 2 years or so.

Trump has continued his extreme policies, how do you expect raum, been and co to condemn him when you never saw anything wrong with all of Biden' policies?

Ignore any typos in the writeup, I clocked out from my shift and haven't gone to bed yet.

IjeBos:
You made the comment.
2nd time I've asked you to back it up and you haven't.
Name a policy you thought was extreme.

I'll name a few.

His climate change initiatives were extreme. The repeal of the keystone XL pipeline permit.

LGBTQ .

Border security policies.

COVID-19 Vaccine mandate.

IjeBos:
Like?
Give me examples of a policy Biden promoted that was Extreme.

So you never saw any extreme policies from the last admin?

GloriousGbola:
Its a naija thing. Nigerians are bigly into status symbols. They are not buying the phone for what it can do but for the I am a big boy/girl statement. Which is why they will have an expensive phone and only have free apps on it.

Most Nigerians are classists by default. They spend to look good, engage in luxury to feel big and get big things with their last cash in order to be talked about even if they will go hungry in the end.

When I wanted to marry, I told my partner that I wanted to do a very small ceremony. People in my church insulted, made comments that why should my wife marry someone that has no money to engage a big reception, they said so many things and even the older ones told her to pause the marriage, that they were helping her.

Her mum talked, tried to convince me but I held my ground that I don't need stress. She was bothered about what people would say and how they'd look at her. It wasn't my business how you wanted to look in people's eyes lol.

A colleague told me what about people that would spray money. I told her everyone should hold their money, that I wasn't getting married because I needed people's money.

Fast forward to after marriage. Those same people who tried to convince my wife to stop the marriage or postpone it, that why should she get into such low-class marriage are now trying to be friends after they found out what we do. One got the news of how I pre-ordered the Solana mobile phone for my wife through my email notification he saw and told the others that someone like this can't be that ordinary.

Some of the marriage counsellors told her "what if he wanted to marry you because of what you have and where you work after they asked her about what she does". She told them his weekly income is more than my monthly salary. When they asked me what I did and how much I earned, I told them it wasn't their business.

Right now, most of them get closer to her but not me because they know I do not really have the energy to be in a group.

This is not to show what I have but to explain a first hand experience how most Nigerians, including those who are struggling are classists. They prefer names/titles over substance and when you operate differently, they call you names.

Even those who are here living outside the country are not left out of this primitive mentality.

raumdeuter:
2008 was when the left began to move further left. If you watch the campaign of Obama vs Biden vs Clinton in 2007 most of the things they campaigned on would be called far right today

That's what I'm talking about.

Both sides have gone extreme, whoever is denying it is lying to himself/herself.

IjeBos:
And what center is that?
The words center/left/extreme don't mean much unless they are in relation to something.
ex. US Republicans think Dems are extreme for wanting universal health care.

Both sides in the UK are closer to where US liberals are policy wise.

So you still haven't seen that there are some policies from the left that are extreme?

Omo, with the way things are going, 2026 election on the US will be interesting.

The next 4 years will be more interesting, not just for America but every nation of the world will feel the impact big time except for those who have provided insulation for things like these.

raumdeuter:
No The left has moved further left so much that policies of Obama and Biden in 2008 are now seen as far right policies

The left is no longer recognizable as they have taken a leave from common sense into anarchy

Like I said above, this wahala began since 2008.

If both sides don't come to the table and see each other as one to take America to the next level, China will effortlessly take over and become the world leader.

I do not want a communist nation to be the world leader, it won't be good for third world countries like Nigeria.

raumdeuter:
The centrists are all in the Trump corner now

Someone like Democrat Senator Fetterman went to visit Trump and said he was KIND and CORDIAL

They are all swallowed already lol.

Their strengths are needed to curb certain things sha.

IjeBos:
Except Europe is far more liberal than the US.
Explain to me how that fact fits with the point you are making,.

The difference between the UK and the US is the right wing echo chamber.

The difference between the UK and the US is the fact that both sides are close to the centre than the extreme.

budaatum:
Who is the current king of tariffs?

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-trade-war/

This tariff war will not end well for America.
How do you bully everyone with tariff? Whoever does not see this as a self inflicted wahala, will have himself to blame tomorrow.

Make I just dy watch as e go end las las.

AmazonTopaz:
Nigerians relying on foreign aid to afford drugs are going to see pepper now that Orange Mussolini is in power. Sadly people are going to die. Any Nigerian like many of the fools on Twitter whom I have blocked telling you that you should "hold our leaders accountable" are actual imbeciles.

You don't cut funding without having a necessary replacement in place. The Nigerian government will not step up and people are going to die but anyway he recognizes two sexes and LGBTQ people are going to suffer after all he was sent by God.

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You and a few others here do not engage to discuss anything for learning a d proper discourse, you are all about proving yourselves right.

Every discussion that aims to win is not a discussion but a debate and it hardly produces learning.

Discussion is supposed to be for everyone to learn but I see that it is not found here hence I left this thread for over 2 years.

I was one of those who started discussing here, I was liberal leaning but there are some things and policies the Biden admin got wrong and most of you here who support never accepted.

Trump is towing that wrong line of extremism and instead of his supporters to call it out, they are defending it until it will boomerang.

In all of these, the centrists are in trouble because the America we once knew as a beacon of democracy is dying , albeit slowly.

IjeBos:
Part of the toxicity is the US Right wing Media. The UK doesn't have as extreme a problem because of the laws on the Media and even the libel laws there.

Here in the US, Right Wing Media is free to pump out whatever lies and propaganda they want to generate rage. And rage equals revenue. And that is where a lot of the conservatives get their info.
A lot of the stuff that is posted here isn't even things to debate. It's like debating whether the Earth is flat.

That may explain the difference in the two threads.

Both sides...The right wing and left wing media are the same but from opposite ends.

The right has become far right while the left has gone far left.

Both sides have drowned the voices of the central to the extent that they are scared to speak out.

descarado:
I asked if you watch cnn cos I stopped watching it like more than 15 yrs ago. Has nothing to do with trump. Somebody said cnn naturally makes your BP rise. If you have hpb, your Dr will tell you to stop watching cnn and BBC. Don't know if that's true but I just stopped since then.

I get curious when people say they watch cnn. That's all.

Una wey dey America go dey alright when you guys decide to get your acts together, work together and foster love. The hatred is so deep and toxic. Both online and offline
Even yoruba and igbo hatred for naija no reach this level.

Every country has its challenge but America as it is is so toxic that I wonder where una get it wrong.
I do understand for a country without tradition and culture it will be chaotic but this. See as insults are flying up and down everyday.The competition is who will insult better. Look for loophole,rush to nairaland and the insult start. Make sure to flag your wings men.


Uk where I dey is having its deep problems but the UK thread is not as toxic as this place. I love american politics and want to contribute but the insults doesnt go well with me. So also majority that have left this place for very few. Loads of Americans in this forum but they dont even peep in here cos what happens here is adults throwing childish tantrums. They, like me want to come in here and have adult discussions even if we don't agree
Una well done. I can't deal.


Erm, please check that link I posted, is it true?

See bro, with the way American politics and politicians are going, China will be licking their fingers.

Imagine doing nothing to become the world power.

The American political landscape has changed since 2008 and it's getting worse.

These EOs are not helping at all. Why not govern or run your administration purely on the constitution instead of these EOs up and down?

NATO is in limbo as we speak. Allies are confused and it is something to be watched.

If Europe knows their self worth, they'd find a way to be self sufficient instead of allowing the US to control them through NATO.

They should foster peaceful coexistence between all axis in Europe and become a powerful economy in order to avoid shame in future.

bemeruca:
Seems like you are entering a river you don't understand much. No matter what advice Ibime will give to you, you have to build you own understand to these things. Right now, it will take a lot of time to see significant new highs on bitcoin. Trading can be complicated and very risky. To invest long-term you have to be able to trust the coin will bounce back even if things go south.

That's why I am sticking with the ones I mentioned. Sol, BNB and ETH at the moment plus I have money on Pepe, Xai, Floki, TON and Doge.

I need to explain Ibime to you. It's been over 4 years that he has been dropping his ideas about stocks and other items to invest in, many have been right, i mean his analysis and that's how I have been following him but I also do my die diligence too before jumping in.

Real estate and other traditional investments have been my main target but managed has to also move into other areas.

It is last year that I started joining crypto investing more.

bemeruca:
Trump coin is not bad. Like I said, for short term investment go trump coin. Otherwise don't put your hands on meme coins at all.

If you had said Trump coin is long term play, I'd have been a bit cool to watch and step in.

You see, these short term plays hit me hard because I might be busy when the madness begin or I might even forget.

My wife rebuked me at a point that, how could someone drop so much money on something and then not put his full attention to it? That was because I was busy with work.

Solana, ETH and BNB are 3 coins that have really given me the gains this period.

Bought 1 ETH last July when it dipped to $2,400 and I sold when it entered $3k+

Solana has been moving, I believe it will get to $350 so I am locked in on that because I have a good volume on phantom wallet.

BNB is good but I might sell off due to the chain not getting the required buzz as before.

Ibime:
You don't throw more than $200 to $500 at shïtcoins, only listed coins with good volume and adoption

My brother, that's why I asked for your advice the other day na. It was painful because it was December, a month of enough spending that I made such a mistake.

I have given those yeye shit coins space, the reason I didn't bother to invest in trump coin. I also didn't hear it on time so I had to leave it off

Please I'd love you to drop some opportunities in stocks from time to time.

bemeruca:
Well, they say if you don't buy the ticket you don't win the lottery

I threw about $3500 on a project on 10th December, I got rekt. You see non established tokens, I'm not joining lol.

I can do established ones, hold them and wait for them to rise or fall but slowly, not the pump and dump going on today.

I respect your strength in trading those coins though, they scare me so much.

GloriousGbola:
we are living in interesting times - quite literally we are witnessing the decline of the us as a world power

we are seeing them adopt the policies that people flee from in their own countries

It will be a painful thing the day they lost that status. They might have their flaws but their positives far outweigh those flaws.

Congress and the judiciary should do something about these excessive powers the executive arm has through the back door.

The previous and current presidents have abused their powers big time and the world will feel it when it destroys them.

China that is a full blown state controlled economy leading the world will be a disaster to countries like Nigeria. Communism? Hell is coming and the US infighting is the reason why humanity will be thrown back to the 19th century.

If you are anywhere, please buy lands, lots of them because what is coming will be epic.

bemeruca:
Its a long term investment. If you want to go short you make want to try trump coin. Bitcoin is doing well, trump coin is at $31 this is a time to buy it fluctuates between 31 and 50 dollars.

You see that short, I avoid it.

I don't have the energy to engage in anything that looks like a football match.

Holding, yes, but I prioritise strong coins. That Trump coin is still not something I am ready to put money on.

bemeruca:
So you went to a stage performance and it is a big deal for you. a stadium
I know a couple of people who went there too. Oga go sleep. you are 52 years old

you no get shame


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyGMiQwYGLc

I like to ask, how's your crypto portfolio going? The red these days is shocking.

I'm still holding back on buying anymore coins since the market is confusing me.

Pepe, doge and Xai are not giving me any reason to buy.

$Trump and $Melania aren't doing well for now, they may have potential but I'll pass as I don't like the shit coins coming out now.

ijebosb:
I hear you, and agree with you for the most part. Dems were tone deaf in their desire for acceptance of Trans people.
But Trump telegraphed what he was going to do and people put their hatred of Trans people/immigrants/minorities over the health of the nation.
The EO's are exactlty what was described in Project 2025.
I hope he succeeds but I know he won't.
But I think for the US to break it's fever this kind of needs to happen.
People have to understand you can't have all the sugar you want to eat and not get fat.

I was just in Naij and I hear you. My friends were doing well and even prospering, but the prices I saw I couldn't imagine how average people who didn't live on the island or earn dollars were surviving. Esp. the fuel prices. I hope it's a wake up call as well.

It is well.

As for naija, when we are ready to throw away all the "isms" in form of tribe, religion and others, we will move forward together.

Living in Lagos is a no no for someone like me who likes cool and calm environments. The constant desire to outspend themselves is also something that is driving the prices in Lagos.

My wife preferred Abuja, I love my PH, at least where we live is safe and calm.

IjeBos:
How do you get from Trump to the Dems?
Let's lay it where it belongs.
The President controls the Executive Branch so can make orders how the Executive branch works.
Presidents in the past haven't abused it and have been somewhat measured not to throw the US in chaos.
Trump being chaos incarnate decides he wants chaos.
Here we are.

The Dems came in because they were also far left with some their policies. The nonsense things that happened with the LGBTQ and other alphabets during the last Olympics were too extreme. No one cared until they started pushing them out despite their little numbers, putting them in almost everything other people do. I do not have issues with whatever anyone choose to become, I only have issues with someone forcing me to accept those choices. No one who is truthful will deny that.

That being said, Trump seems to be hellbent on creating maximum chaos for a few but it will boomerang and affect the whole nation. Whoever is supporting these EOs should look at the mirror if he's okay and should also know that these policies will affect everyone.

When Tinubu began his chaos here, I felt insulated. Told my wife (we married 18 months ago) that it doesn't concern me what is going on here. Inflation was rising but investment was covering up for it so I didn't feel anything until last December. The amount I normally spend for Christmas gifts to people went up over 6 times. I told my wife that now I see why we all should fight against bad governance.

Now the issue is that I could afford to spend it and even increased what to give out but what about others without resources?

I pray we all try to be empathetic towards one another instead of picking sides between parties.

Who even started this EO crap in the US? Why allow something like this when the constitution is clear on almost everything they give order on?

Chaos have begun, the next 4 years will be very bumpy for most people.

Seems both the Dems and GOP are hell bent on destroying their country with extremities. Hardly anyone can be seen from the center viewpoint in their regime.

China is doing what every smart kingdom would do. When your enemy is making mistakes, don't interrupt. They won't need to fight wars to lead the world in the nearest future.

PDPGuy:
This is just the first injunction..

Trump is drunk.
That order is outright stupidity in the first place.

Is he trying to run the country with EO thinking he can turn the system like it is in third world countries?

Most of his EOs are becoming a joke.
SMH

Peakdesign23:
Nigerians are too lousy!

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