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Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 11:15am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
You misunderstood my saying that it happened to fall...

We Christians chose that day because we saw the possibility and good it will bring. Since our decision to pick that day, many pagans have been converted. Today, only haters like you remember December 25th as a pagan day. Pagans of today don't even celebrate December 25th because they've been conquered by Christianity. Jesus is now the reason for the season.

Constantine never forced December 25tj on Christians. Rather it was Christians that chose the day. Saying he forced it is the same as saying Christians will stupidly accept the mark of the beast when the Antichrist forces it. The Bible days we won't.
Christians did not choose December 25th.

Stop lying and twisting facts.

Emperor Constantine of Rome passed a decree in 336AD declaring Deember 25th as Christmas Day in a bid to end the rioting that threatened to tear his empire into two.


Please stop lying publicly. This is exactly why Christians like you are called uneducated. You do not bother to read your own history.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 11:07am On Dec 23, 2018
ALBHAGDADI, SHOW US WHERE JESUS INSTRUCTED YOU TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS.


If you can't the you are a naysayer.
A false prophet.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 11:04am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Since we took the decision to set it on a day which you say belongs to pagan gods, we have been able to concert those pagans and also overshadowed their celebrations. Today, people don't even celebrate those gods anymore. All they do is celebrate Christmas. Muslims, Buddhist, unbelievers etc all celebrate Christmas, and from there we preach to them .
You didn't take the decision.
The decision was made for you by military force as a matter of fact.

Constantine passed it as a decree and commanded that it be celebrated on December 25th.

Christians had no choice
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 11:03am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Show me where Jesus said we shouldn't celebrate any other festival especially one that has to do with his name. If you can't find, then it means you are speaking when God hasn't spoken. You will be punished for that .
Show me where Jesus instructed you to celebrate Christmas.

If you can't find it, then it means you are speaking when God hasn't spoken. You will be severely punished for that.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 11:00am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
You all keep saying origin. Is the birth of Jesus which we celebrate originated from paganism? It just happens to fall on a day pagans celebrate their own god. No one even Celebrates those gods anymore. Do you celebrate your birthday? If yes, then will you do so if it fell on December 25th?
No sir. It didn't "happen to fall on a day pagans celebrate their own god" by chance.
It was deliberately chosen to be celebrated on a day pagans celebrated their own god by the pagan, Emperor Constantine in 336AD.

Christians didn't choose December 25th, Constantine forced it on everyone.


You cannot respond to this because I am really exposing your misleading doctrines this morning so you haven decided to duel with far simpler comments.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:29am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
He's a god to some people. I can bet that 100s of years from now some people will take June 12 to be the day of a good called abiola. Perhaps that's how pagans arrived with their December 25th stuff.
But you don't think this also how Jesus Christ became worshipped as "God".


Do you know that Jesus was regarded as a normal man until his divinity was voted (yes, voted) upon by bishops and politicians at the Council of Nicaea in 325AD?



grin
Your blindness is selective.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:26am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Do you know that some middle East Christians celebrate Jesus birth on January 6th?

The day you chose is not what matters but the acknowledgement of his birthd.

I will no longer dignify you with a response because you are a satanist.
Yes.
December 25th & January 6th are disputed days of Christmas by Christians globally.
Which proves again that Christmas is man made.

Again, you have made this warped assertion that the day chosen does not matter. This contradicts the very essence of Christmas.
You are essentially saying Jesus Christ's birthday has not been rightly celebrated in 1682 years.



Calling me a Satanist, Evil Spirit, Atheist etc does not prove anything.
We are educated here.
Give us facts!
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:20am On Dec 23, 2018
PrimadonnaO:
You're missing the point. The article isn't to prove that Jesus was born on December 25th. He already stated that Jesus most likely wasn't born on that day.

The purpose of the article, instead, is to showcase Christians' justification for choosing December 25th to celebrate our Lord and Saviour.
You are the one missing the point here.

Christians didn't choose December 25th. Emperor Constantine, a Roman pagan at that time chose it for Christians.
He imposed it as a law.

In other words, a pagan defined Christianity's most important day.


So what justification are you talking about?
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:15am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
The change is not what determines its relevance. It is the acknowledgment of his birthday which means you actually believe he came to this world.
Which means that if I choose to acknowledge Jesus Christ on May 1st, the purpose of Christmas will still work?

If that is the case, it means the December 25th Christmas Day celebrations might actually be meaningless and inconsequential.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:13am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
That's their luck.
No. This isn't about luck.

You cannot teach people whose ancestors walked with Jesus about him from thousands of miles away in Lagos State.

If the Jews doubt him what proof do you have to counter?

The only thing you have to argue against them is your Bible - which ironically, was written by Jews!
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:04am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
He doesn't even know that Constantine converted to Christianity before he died.
I typed this up there in page 1 sef.

You are clearly not paying attention hence the contradictory statements you have littered this thread with.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:01am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Do the Jews believe Jesus is the son of God?

No. So that makes them Antichrist. Why do you think they killed Jesus Christ?

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
And you think you know better than the Jews?

Do you know that the same Bible you are quoting today was originally written in Aramaic & Hebrew (Jewish languages) before being translated to Greek and then English.


If the originators of the Bible (Jews) doubt Jesus then I believe they m.ust have a very strong reason to.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:50am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Of course you can. Now, since you can, why are you criticizing those who chose December 25th? Don't you know that there might also be a god June 12 is dedicated to? e.g MKO Abiola
So if Jesus' birthday is subject to change, where is its relevance?

Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:42am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Do you know we can decided to pick January 1st as the day Jesus healed the blind and start celebrating it? That's because we have the power.

You are not our master, so you have no power to judge us.Christmas has achieved a lot. Many people get to hear of Jesus during the period.

So, go and tell your master Satan to leave us alone.
In that case, I also have the power to choose June 12th as Christmas day.

Do you agree?
alBHAGDADI answer me.

Can I also mark October 1st or July 4th as Christmas Day?
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:35am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Do you know we can decided to pick January 1st as the day Jesus healed the blind and start celebrating it? That's because we have the power.

You are not our master, so you have no power to judge us.Christmas has achieved a lot. Many people get to hear of Jesus during the period.

So, go and tell your master Satan to leave us alone.
In that case, I also have the power to choose June 12th as Christmas day.

Do you agree?
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:34am On Dec 23, 2018
This is the summary of facts debated and agreed upon by alBHAGDADI this morning:


1. Christmas was a date fabricated by man

2. Jesus Christ and the Apostles neither celebrated nor made any reference to Christmas. It was totally fabricated by man.

3. Christmas was derived from the December 25th day of worship of the Roman Sun God, Mithra in 336AD.

4. Jesus Christ could not have been born on December 25th as shepherds do not flock with their sheep out at night in winter.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:26am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
1. Why is your name not mentioned in the Bible?

2. They didn't, but they also didn't stop us from esteeming a day above others nor did they speak against christmas. So you have no right to condemn us.

3. Stop repeating trash. No one said for sure Jesus was born in winter even though it is possible.

4. That's cos Christians we're still trying to understand the new faith. That's why Paul had to write different letters to different cities teaching people how to behave in the new faith. Part of his words is that we can celebrate and esteem any day as we like.

5. Who told you it was Constantine that told Christians to celebrate Jesus birthday? Stop making false claims.

The Bible has a lot to say about Christmas. Read Luke 2 to see how angels celebrated and shepherds rejoiced at the news of his birth. It is the same celebration we are imitating.
1. Mr Man answer the question and stop deviating please


2. Keyword: "They didn't"... don't add any other thing for us. We don't need sermons.
This proves Christmas was man made


3. If you agree Jesus wasn't born in winter, it means you agree he wasn't born on December 25th.
Another proof that Christmas is man made



4. So Christians couldn't understand the most important day of their religion while the Apostles and the Holy Spirit was with them.
But they finally understood it after a pagan helped them choose a date.

God truly works in mysterious ways grin grin

Anyway, 3rd proof that Christmas is man made.



5. In 336AD, Emperor Constantine set December 25th as the official Christmas Day for the Roman Empire. It has remained so till this very day.

Constantine was a pagan but converted to Christianity on his deathbed and was declared a saint till this very day!

You have internet access and libraries - use them!
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 9:11am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Stop saying a day belongs to a pagan god. Did the pagan god create any day?

You ask to know why it took almost that long before Christians started celebrating Christmas. Was immediately after Jesus ascended that everything about Christianity came into full picture? Even today, it is not everything about Christianity that has been fulfilled. We still have a lot in the book of revelations which are yet to be fulfilled.

Paul and Philip never mentioned Christmas. Guess what, they told us we are free to celebrate as long as the Bible doesn't warn against such celebration. So who are you to judge us when you are not our master?

Everyday belongs to God. Satan is only trying to steal what belongs to God. Remember how h boasted that he was going to be like God. He has since deceived humans into worshiping him like God. But God has since been talking back what belongs to him.

The Nimrod mentioned in the Bible is the Nimrod you liars try to pin this whole thing on. Ask everyone who believes December 25th was dedicated to Nimrod, they will tell you it's the same Biblical nimrod whom the Bible never mentioned him to be a bad guy. So you can't expect me to believe whatever version is out there.
1. So, you finally agree that Christmas was a human invention.

If Christmas came into existence in 336AD it means Jesus, Peter, Paul etc know nothing about it which makes it fabricated!

Simple.



2. You are free to celebrate? grin

Really?
So why don't you celebrate Eid El Kabir or No Bra Day too?

What's stopping you?



3. Where is proof that Satan boasted he will be like God?

Asides the Bible (a book which could be fictional), where else does this story exist?

Show us!




4. I do not want to "ask everyone". This isn't a debate of opinion - we are talking facts here.
I'm asking YOU.

And as I have corrected you earlier, Mithra, not Nimrod was the Roman Sun God as at when Christmas was created. His day of celebration was December 25th (long before Christmas came into existence).
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 8:59am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI & MrPresident1 answer these questions or forever remain silent:


1. Why wasn't Christmas mentioned in the Bible?

2. Why did St. Peter, St. Paul and all the authors of the New Testament not make reference to Christmas in the numerous letters they wrote to the churches?

3. How could shepherds be out with their sheep at night on Jesus' birthday if Jesus was born in winter?

4. Why did Christians wait till 336AD (over 300 years after Jesus' death) to celebrate their first Christmas?

5. Why did it take a Pagan (Emperor Constantine) to "remind" Christians to celebrate the most important day of their religion?




PS: You cannot quote Bible verses because the Bible actually has nothing to say about Christmas since the Bible was written long before Christmas (as we are made to believe).
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 8:48am On Dec 23, 2018
MrPresident1:
Jesus is the Sun. The sun dies at the winter solstice, it stays in the grave for three days, then on the third day it rises again with power and great glory

Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic:
alBHAGDADI:
Please try to comprehend simple statement. I never said Jesus was born on December 25th, I only said there is a 100% chance he was born on that day. We are not saying for sure that he was born on December 25th. But why are you all criticizing us for choosing that day to celebrate his birthday when he hasn't criticized us?

We christians chose that day for a purpose which has since been achieved. Whoever was worshiped on that day is no longer worshiped or celebrated because of Jesus who has conquered them all.

You say December 25th was dedicated to a Sun God called Mithra. That is another version quite different from the Nimrod version. Those people celebrated a false sun god because Satan deceived them. They didn't know what they were worshipping.

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship:

They didn't know that Jesus is the true Sun of Righteousness. Below is the Bible calling Jesus the SUN.

Malachai 4:2
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus. Can you now see how Jesus once again took back what belongs to him?
Wow. grin

"The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus" - on the day of a pagan god?! shocked



Now tell me, if December 25th was truly Christmas, how come Christmas wasn't celebrated until 336AD. That's over 300 years after Jesus' death!

What were Christians doing for 300 good years?

St. Paul died around 68AD, St. Phillip around 80AD (a full 50 years after Jesus' death) yet they made no mention of Christmas. That is glaring.
In allthe letters written to the Churches in Antioch, Ephesus, Tarsus etc, not ONE mention of the most important day of Christianity!! shocked

How is that possible?!


2. The fact that Nimrod was mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean there can't be other Nimrods on earth.
Why do you deliberately choose to be myopic?

There are many Elijahs, Peters, Pauls and even Jesuses in the world today!


You still haven't proven that Jesus was born on December 25th.
All you do is quote meaningless Bible verses.
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic:
alBHAGDADI:
2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:
You contradict yourself.

You say "Yes he wasn't born on December 25th" and "there's a 100% chance he was born on December 25th". huh

Which one is it uncle?

Quoting Bible verses do not justify anything if you cannot provide incontrovertible proof - especially since the Bible's authenticity cannot be verified.



Reasons for Christmas being a pagan holiday wasn't because of Nimrod (another embarrassing error on your part), it is because of the Roman Sun God - Mithra.

1. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra.

Years after Jesus' death, Christianity gradually grew popular & incited a lot of riots in the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine had to merge the pagan Sun God celebration (Sol Invictus) with Christian doctrines to pacify both parties. The Bible you read today was revised by Bishops & politicians & many books were removed & banned at the Council of Nicaea.

Even the sunday you attend churches was gotten from the pagan religion of Mithraism, the holy day was Sunday and is where we get that word from!



2. Jesus couldn't have been born on December 25th because according to his birth story, shepherds flocked at night.

Shepherds don't flock outside in the Middle East around December (winter). This happens around spring (October).

Its usually cold outside and even snows so how on earth could shepherds have been outside at night with sheep on a hill that would probably be snowcapped and devoid of any grass?!
FamilyRe: Wife Writes 'Borrow' Whenever She Sends Her Husband Money by LuciferCatholic: 9:44pm On Dec 22, 2018
But if it was the other way around, it would be free.

The money will suddenly become "our money" & even if the man insists she will ask him "are you not a man?"


Feminists and entitlement mentality is 5 & 6.
Marry them and die a quick death.

Talking to them has been scientifically proven to actually reduce lifespan.

Useless creatures.



*spits angry

RomanceRe: Our Second Anniversary in Marriage by LuciferCatholic: 9:37pm On Dec 22, 2018
Where is the child to show for it??


None.


Thought as much.
Impotent preeqs & empty vessels always make the loudest noise.

Two years of kpanshing & no result but lala took just 4 months to achieve same feat oh.

Shameless couple.


*spits angry

HealthRe: Man Die In Rivers Because Hospital Insist They Get Paid Before Treatment by LuciferCatholic: 9:22pm On Dec 22, 2018
enGraced2019:
[s]Nairalanders please put a smile on a Nairalander's face this Christmas.please sow a seed of love for my Christmas rice and chicken( ice fish). N5k is ok
Good Samaritan on Nairaland please help me with your widows might make i buy food for house. the grain of rice from your table will go a long way. hunger wan finish person. Diamond Bank 0071552171.[/s]
If rice is your problem, attend Progress Dennis' funeral and you shall eat to your heart's content.

Fraudster.


*spits angry

HealthRe: Man Die In Rivers Because Hospital Insist They Get Paid Before Treatment by LuciferCatholic: 9:17pm On Dec 22, 2018
First off, a 40 year old man isn't "young".

Secondly, how come the relatives are so quick to pay for the design of his obituary but dallied in providing the money that would have kept him alive?


I think they wanted him dead and got their wish.

The hospital will remain open for business & I pray divine blessings locate them and more branches are opened in the 6 geo-political zones of the federation come 2019.


*spits angry
CelebritiesRe: KWAM Defends Son Who Was Caught For $2million Fraud by LuciferCatholic: 9:10pm On Dec 22, 2018
Doesn't even look like his father.

Knowing Afonja women, don't be surprised if this is Ebenezer Obey's son.


*spits angry

PoliticsRe: When Tinubu Calls Bill Board Spotted In Lagos.. by LuciferCatholic: 7:49pm On Dec 22, 2018
This proves Sanwo-Olu is a Yes Man.
An asslicking Afonja that feels complete only when he is controlled by a fellow man.

Afonjas are natural born cowards.
They love making noise but will never be at the fore front of any movement.
They love hiding behind others.
Their men are also expert deadbeat fathers while their women specialize in adultery.

Giving responsibility to an Afonja is like pouring water on a cat.



*spits angry
PoliticsRe: Gov. Ganduje Awards N15.28 Billion Fly-over Contract. by LuciferCatholic: 6:51pm On Dec 22, 2018
deomelllo:
Typical ipob village mentality and sentiments..



Funny how the bribe taking governor delivered more and better infrastructures than your entire region combined
So that justifies the bribe? shocked

Your IQ is less than your shoe size.


*spits angry
CelebritiesRe: Davido's Rolls-Royce Cullinan Arrives Lagos, Set To Take Delivery Of It by LuciferCatholic: 6:48pm On Dec 22, 2018
Picture of the official receipt or I spit.
EducationRe: 'Dorcassing': Wikitionary Uses Nairaland Post As Example For New Word by LuciferCatholic: 6:45pm On Dec 22, 2018
Good.

Soon, Evening Newspaper will make the list.
CelebritiesRe: Blac Chyna BLEACHES All The Melanin From Her Skin… She’s Now DEATHLY PALE!!! by LuciferCatholic: 6:40pm On Dec 22, 2018
In other words, she is ashamed of her black skin.

Feminists and inferiority complex are inseperable.
Yet, her type are always screaming for us to "love them for who they are".


Before I can love this leperous, rotten fish odoured, evening newspaper, she will have to dip herself 12 times in the River Jordan.


*spits angry

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