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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by sweetilicious(f): 10:01am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
The issue with those who believe December 25th was used to celebrate a god is that they are confused which god it is. Some say it is Nimrod, which the Bible never called a god, and here you are saying it is a goddess.

Don't allow such fables deceive you. Pagan temples were taken over by Christians when they concerted those pagans. Their days which they dedicated to false gods have also been taken over by Christians who know that those days belong to their Father the Almighty who created them.
I am confused o.The church I go to taught me all this, but like what you said,I argued in acceptance of your assertion.Lets say it was not the day Jesus was born,any other day set aside for it will still be debated by some.Is it that they don't want us to believe in the son of God, Jesus or celebrate his birth which was for the salvation of our soul?

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by proxillin(m): 10:02am On Dec 23, 2018
Inception:


So also is all Islamic days of celebrations.

Both islam and christianity were deeply rooted in paganism. So what?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Pyrusdrago(m): 10:02am On Dec 23, 2018
The OP Took alife time to spew this long episode of trash grin Cld have simply wrote a few paragraph and not dance around most topics (that I dnt wanna quote) he himself is yet to grab. But then, thumb up for defending ur faith.

In simplicity, God loves celebrations ( we can account for a lot of that in the Bible) it doesn’t matter so long our hearts believes in what we’re celebrating. Even though the birth-day of Christ was impose by a pagan as widely spoken... Christians World Wide seem to be okay with it n hence the end point is that we are constantly reminded of his birth n how God loved the world.

You wrote something about God abandoning the Jews cuz the didn’t accept Jesus.
Hahahahaha!! Wonder Wer that is in the Bible
But the Jews are the very ppl that confirmed that God exist. The promises he made to them up till now still shock the world...they know that wen they disobey God he leave them into captivity which the last was in World War II. But look at them now n tell me you believe God has forsaken them.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Ubdavis(m): 10:03am On Dec 23, 2018
Religion is one useless thing I have ever seen. Jews would see Christians as deceiving themselves, Christians would see Jews as Antichrist. But Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Inception(m): 10:03am On Dec 23, 2018
proxillin:


Both islam and christianity were deeply rooted in paganism. So what?
My point exactly.

And BTW , let's us not exclude Judaism.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MODESTUS15: 10:03am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
this must be the most stupid comment I've read this month...The feasts that God himself instructed are not relevant? They were made to be abolished by who? You? your pastor? what a load of crap
All you care about is history history....you are not interested in the purpose for the celebration... I'm sorry for you, and for the record,Christians don't celebrate Christmas in reverence to a god!
Jesus Christ is the reason for the celebration, quoting all the history books cannot change this fact... Hold your history!

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Oweku: 10:04am On Dec 23, 2018
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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:04am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
He doesn't even know that Constantine converted to Christianity before he died.


I typed this up there in page 1 sef.

You are clearly not paying attention hence the contradictory statements you have littered this thread with.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Mizwisdom(f): 10:05am On Dec 23, 2018
proxillin:


December 25 was celebrated as the birthday of Lord bal by pagans before emperor Constantine changed it to Jesus birthday.

You can't deceive God. All your doctrines have a root in paganism.
You celebrate easter without knowing the meaning.

What has the name Easter got to do with the death of Jesus Christ? We Christians are not asking questions.

The same way Muslims are not questioning Salah. How come they celebrate Ibrahim sacrifice more than the birth of mohammed.

All these festivals and celebrations are what pagans used to ensure their practices survive till eternity thanks to zombies religion wackos


I sprinkle the blood of Jesus Christ over my utterance. I reject your false logic. Depart from here thou falsifier. I pray the vale in your eyes will be opened and you'll be set free. Pls don't quote me again

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 10:05am On Dec 23, 2018
sweetilicious:
I am confused o.The church I go to taught me all this, but like what you said,I argued in acceptance of your assertion.Lets say it was not the day Jesus was born,any other day set aside for it will still be debated by some.Is it that they don't want us to believe in the son of God, Jesus or celebrate his birth which was for the salvation of our soul?
Exactly.

If we pick July 23rd, they will still find a god to attach it to or something pagan to make them say the day is wrong.

Their aim is to blot out the name of Jesus from this world. They know people get to hear of the name a lot during Christmas period, so they are angry and want that stopped.

God owns all days.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Inception(m): 10:06am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:



I typed this up there in page 1 sef.

You are clearly not paying attention hence the contradictory statements you have littered this thread with.

You know the funny thing? The true god is man.

All are just the machinations and inventions of the human mind.

But all the same,

I have acknowledged Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal saviour. I will therefore honour him according to the tenets the holy book, which I believe in.I have chosen and accepted that the 25th of December is the day I celebrate his birth.

Well that's just me. And I am entitled to my opinion. Good luck to me.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 10:06am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:




And you think you know better than the Jews?

Do you know that the same Bible you are quoting today was originally written in Aramaic & Hebrew (Jewish languages) before being translated to Greek and then English.


If the originators of the Bible (Jews) doubt Jesus then I believe they m.ust have a very strong reason to.

That's their luck.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by cicero(m): 10:07am On Dec 23, 2018
I do not need any explanation to celebrate Christmas, I celebrate to the fullest I can, I light various kinds of Christmas lights, setup my Christmas tree, attend Carols, buy things for me and others, maintain a thankful attitude to God for the year graciously we’ll spent and shoot fire works to usher in the new year.
This is my best season of the year.

As for birthdays, that is a story for another day. Meanwhile I have one coming up in days.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 10:07am On Dec 23, 2018
ollah2:


Lol but but they are still the chosen people according to Christians. You as a person hate Muslims who didn't reject Jesus but love jews who did cheesy.

I hail all of una

I love everybody alike, but hate their beliefs.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by iyamchee(m): 10:07am On Dec 23, 2018
Mizwisdom:
Demons and witches will come here to argue because they don't want to hear the name of Jesus Christ. They say they are atheist but still argue about what they don't believe in. May the God of heaven and earth render you all powerless on this thread, be confused and destroy your own false logic in Jesus name, I nullify all your demonic intentions and set fire on your camps in JESUS MIGHTY NAME!

Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th and also didn't ask you to celebrate it....
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by PrimadonnaO(f): 10:08am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:



Wow. grin

"The people who worshiped the sun god Mithra where deceived by Satan. Now they are worshiping the true Sun of Righteousness who is Jesus" - on the day of a pagan god?! shocked



Now tell me, if December 25th was truly Christmas, how come Christmas wasn't celebrated until 336AD. That's over 300 years after Jesus' death!

What were Christians doing for 300 good years?

St. Paul died around 68AD, St. Phillip around 80AD (a full 50 years after Jesus' death) yet they made no mention of Christmas. That is glaring.
In allthe letters written to the Churches in Antioch, Ephesus, Tarsus etc, not ONE mention of the most important day of Christianity!! shocked

How is that possible?!


2. The fact that Nimrod was mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean there can't be other Nimrods on earth.
Why do you deliberately choose to be myopic?

There are many Elijahs, Peters, Pauls and even Jesuses in the world today!


You still haven't proven that Jesus was born on December 25th.
All you do is quote meaningless Bible verses.


You're missing the point. The article isn't to prove that Jesus was born on December 25th. He already stated that Jesus most likely wasn't born on that day.

The purpose of the article, instead, is to showcase Christians' justification for choosing December 25th to celebrate our Lord and Saviour.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by johnmba: 10:10am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
So why the baseless argument and excuses to abolish those festivals??

Nobody is calling for them to be abolished. The jews can go ahead with their festivals since they were ordained by God.

We are gentiles and can decide to join them or not

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by IAmSkinny: 10:10am On Dec 23, 2018
The christmas debate still wages on year after year on Nairaland.
Nothing concern me, I go still hussle, I go find people to snap, I go still chop fried chicken and imma sleep at night and produce loud nasty farts.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 10:11am On Dec 23, 2018
LuciferCatholic:


So if Jesus' birthday is subject to change, where is its relevance?

The change is not what determines its relevance. It is the acknowledgment of his birthday which means you actually believe he came to this world.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by apananoni: 10:12am On Dec 23, 2018
kiddoiLL:
I'm glad and excited you took your time to make research and you found out the true names behind all of this days, months and celebration thing. But here's the thing he who knows the truth will be set free by the truth. Not only will Christians celebrate pagan festivals, right from Easter to Christmas, but they've abandoned the real festive periods in the he Bible. The real days of celebration down from The feast of Pentecost down to the feast of Tabernacles and the rest.. The hypocrisy is something else,..Now you know that the days, festivals were changed abi? And still yet most of you guys see nothing wrong with it and focus on it like nothing else. I'll drop this here, you do know the Roman Empire is the 4th kingdom and has been ruling right and that Emperor Constantine is the Roman King that changed almost all Christian laws, festivals and times right? ... I don't see any justification in your post

God bless you for this end time truth, the bible is clear on what Jesus ask his disciples to do in His remembrance. The things we are instructed to do as Christians,we don't do nor obey but we always think we are wiser than God hence we deem it fit to celebrate His birthady, the bible is clear broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on that way and many will come on that judgment day to say Lord we did this and that great miracles in your name and He will say depart from me I know ye not ye workers of iniquity. Let he that has ear hear what the spirit is saying to the church.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by iyamchee(m): 10:13am On Dec 23, 2018
The only feast God asked us to do in his remembrance was the holy communion also known as the breaking of bread.....
Please let's be informed.
You cannot just go about creating festivals in God's name. That's false doctrination and is a very big sin.Stop leading people to destruction.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:13am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


That's their luck.


No. This isn't about luck.

You cannot teach people whose ancestors walked with Jesus about him from thousands of miles away in Lagos State.

If the Jews doubt him what proof do you have to counter?

The only thing you have to argue against them is your Bible - which ironically, was written by Jews!

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by ShenTeh(m): 10:14am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


I love everybody alike, but hate their beliefs.

I think you have tried very much in pushing your- in my opinion, very valid points. However, I suggest you tone down your hard words when people disagree with your points, or you feel they are being deliberately unreasonable. It hardens their resolve and waters down your own tact.

Again, bravo bro.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by AkpaMgbor(m): 10:14am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Exactly.

If we pick July 23rd, they will still find a god to attach it to or something pagan to make them say the day is wrong.

Their aim is to blot out the name of Jesus from this world. They know people get to hear of the name a lot during Christmas period, so they are angry and want that stopped.

God owns all days.
You know their strategy...any self confessed Christian who buys into this Christmas is pagan bullshyt is rudderless..
1. If you say you're a Christian and still believe that some pagan god 'owns' a particular day, then your faith should be questioned.
2. Any true and bold Christian knows that ALL days and all seasons were created by The Creator/God..
3. If you believe point 2, then it means that those pagan gods are the usurpers here..because the days were never theirs to begin with..
4. It is like telling me not to enter into a land owned by my father because some usurper came in the night and desecrated the land with charms..

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Mizwisdom(f): 10:14am On Dec 23, 2018
iyamchee:


Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th and also didn't ask you to celebrate it....


Get theee behind me. You who know nothing about Christianity want to dictate what Christ said or didn't, you now know more about my faith than me? An atheist knows about my religion than me grin I would have like to win your soul for God if you don't mind

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MadamExcellency: 10:14am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:

Please, kindly excise patience in reading the below article. It will save you from the lies coming from those attacking Christmas.


Christmas has been coming under attack of recent with many claiming it is a pagan festival and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ nor his birthday as claimed by Christians. The attack use to be usually around Christmas period but these days they start attacking it right from January.

Let’s examine their argument and weigh them with the Bible to see whether it is accurate and worth making of Christians dump Christmas.

Their argument is just centered around the following themes: Birthday is pagan, Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th, Nimrod, Christmas tree is pagan etc. Let’s examine them one by one and even add more.


1. Birthday is a pagan practice


This statement is majorly held by the Jehovah’s Witnesses which are people in a false religion. They say the reason why Christians should not celebrate their birthday is because “two evil men” were the only ones recorded in the Bible to have celebrated their birthday.  The men are Pharaoh of Egypt and King Herod whom it is recorded that they killed someone on their birthday. Pharaoh killed his chief baker while Herod killed John the Baptist.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying in essence is that because 2 men who existed ages ago decided to kill someone on their birthday, we all existing today should not acknowledge and celebrate our birthday. Which Bible verse says we shouldn't celebrate our birthday? There is no such command found in the Bible, so it is not a sin or wrong to celebrate one's birthday.

If you read Mathew 14;3-10 you will see that Herod killing John the Baptist was not because killing someone on one's birthday was a normal practice. He killed John just to fulfill his promise to his daughter that he would do whatever she wanted for dancing so greatly. His daughter requested for John's head and he had no choice but to fulfill it just to honor his word as a king.

As for Pharaoh, he did absolutely nothing wrong in killing his chief baker because the chief baker and his chief butler offended him.


Genesis 40:1

And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt.  

Pharaoh was even kind enough to spare his butler but killed the baker on his birthday. The punishment the baker got must actually be what he deserved according to the King of Egypt. So there is nothing wrong with him receiving his punishment accordingly.  Therefore, Pharaoh cannot be said to have done any wrong on his birthday. As a matter of fact, he did good, which is having mercy on one of the offenders. So, the talk of not celebrating birthday because two men killed someone on their's holds no water. Pharaoh's kindness of sparing the Butler is the reason why the children of Jacob were spared from famine because the Butler got to tell Pharaoh about the dream interpreting abilities of Joseph.

They also love to quote the below verse to discredit birthday celebration.


Ecc 7:1

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.  

Yes, the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. But does the verse say the day of one's birth is bad? No. If the Bible says the day of one's death is BETTER than the day of one's birth, then it means the day of one's birth is GOOD. Remember Good, Better, Best. Now, since the day of one's birth is GOOD, then it means it is good to celebrate it. Until they can show a verse which says Christians should not celerbate birthdays, I will continue to celebrate birthdays including that of Jesus.

What they are doing by saying we shouldn't celebrate birthdays is basically speaking when God has not spoken. They are telling us to do what the Bible never said. The Bible says such people are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. They tell me to do certain things and try to make it look like it is God that said so.

Matthew 15:9 

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 


2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:


Genesis 10:8-9

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

As seen above, the Bible didn't record anything bad about Nimrod because being a mighty hunter before God is not a bad description of a person. However, the other story about Nimrod can be found in Jewish Talmud written in the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after the New Testament had been in circulation. That's where you will find stories of how Nimrod was a god who married his mother and gave birth to a son Tamuz who also his reincarnation... blah blah blah. Those are all fables written thousands of years after Nimrod died and by people who didn't exist during his days. You can never find any Bible verse that says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas, but I can show you a verse that says we should stay away from Jewish Fables and the commandments of men which don't go with God's word.


Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  

As a Christian, you are not to listen to the Jews or read their religious books other than you reading the Bible. The Jews have been rejected by God because they rejected Jesus Christ. I now wonder why anyone would be expecting me to abandon the celebration of the birth of Jesus my Lord and Savior simply because a book written by Christ rejecting Jews made false claims about Jesus. 

Do you also know that the Talmud of the Jews says that Jesus real father was a Roman soldier named Pantera who slept with Mary? Is that the same book who wrote lies about Nimrod and Jesus that you want to dump Christmas because of? The Jews are antichrists because their religion of Judaism rejects Jesus as the son of God, a thing which the Bible says qualifies one as an Antichrist.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

It is pretty clear why those Jews cooked up shady stories which many are now using to attack the celebration of Christmas. The birth of Jesus, which we celebrate on Christmas day, is a declaration that Judaism, the practice and religion of the Jews, is no longer valid. The birth of Jesus Christ put and end to their believe, that's why they are annoyed. It's silly for you bring the Nimrod information from people whom the Bible calls antichrists and expect me to receive it.

Once again, all those people who try to force you to do what is not written in the Bible which is the word of God, are actually teaching their man-made commandments and trying to make it the doctrines of God. They tell you not to celebrate Christmas but can't show you were God said so in the Bible.


Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.  

December 25th may have been dedicated to the worship of a false god which I believe the people of those days were influenced by Satan to do such. But many of such people have today come to the realization of the true God and have turned that day into the celebration of him. Satan doesn't own any day because he never created one. All days were created by God and so it is not a bad thing picking any of those days to celebrate the birth of his son who came to save us from our sins. Since all days belong to God our father, what Christians of old did was repossess their father's possession and made it holy. It is the same thing that happens when a demon is driven out of an individual and the Holy Spirit enters into the individual to dwell. You can't tell me that such individual is still demonic, because demons can't reside where the Holy Spirit resides.

All those who say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because December 25th was dedicated to a false god are just hypocrites. Got to their house, you will find a calendar on their wall, and this calendar contains days and months named after false gods. Examples are January dedicated to the false god Janus, Thursday dedicated to Thor, Saturday dedicated to Saturn etc. Are we now to stop existing on each of these days because some ignorant people dedicated them to false and weak gods? If those anti-christmas people say they don't have a calendar at home because they know it contains pagan names, don't they have a calendar app in the phones? Maybe they should throw their phones away because they are walking about with paganism. Apostle Paul said we can eat anything dedicated to gods and put it inside our belly. Any day dedicated to a false god can be taken by we Christians and dedicate it to the true God who created days.

Now, is there anything wrong with celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, eating food with family on that day, exchanging gifts, singing Christmas Carol that most times quote Bible verses etc? There is nothing wrong at all. And for someone to sit somewhere and say Christmas is a wicked festival, I ask, what is wicked about all I listed above? Whoever says we are committing sin for celebrating the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ is a false accuser.


3. Christmas tree is pagan


I'll borrow a quote from Pastor Steven Anderson's sermon on the subject. Read below.


If you still think that Christmas trees are bad, then go right ahead, but let's at least look at the facts tonight, and that's all I want to do, is present the biblical facts tonight. In Jeremiah, Chapter 10, Verse 1, the Bible says, "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O House of Israel. Thus sayeth the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain, for one cut of the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the ax, they deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Right now is where the anti-Christmas people stop reading, and they just take these couple of verses out of context. They stop reading, and they just take Verse 3 and 4, and they say, "Look, it is a vain, heathen custom to cut down a tree," okay, "And to deck it with silver and gold, and to fasten it with nails and hammers." Here's what they say. They say that's what you're doing when you decorate a Christmas tree. They say you've cut down a tree, and you're basically decking it with gold and silver, and they're saying because you put a gold and a silver ornament on it. Okay, that's their view. That is not what this scripture is talking about. If you stop reading right there, you could use that to convince people of your point, but that's not what it's really about, because keep reading.

Look at Verse 5. It says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not. They must needs be borne because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil. Neither also is it in them to do good. For as much as there is none like unto thee, O Lord." 

Stop. What this is talking about, and I'm going to prove it to you from the rest of the chapter, this is talking about cutting down a tree in the forest, and carving it into an idol that is silver or gold plated. When the Bible says that it is decked with gold and silver, that is not saying hanging a silver ball on it. When you deck something over with silver, okay, you are covering it with silver. For example, the deck on your house. Your house might have a deck, okay? It's a covering, is what that means. What the Bible is saying here is that they're carving it into an idol, because look, in Verse 5, he says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not."

Look, nobody thinks that a Christmas tree can speak, or walk, or do good or evil, because it's a tree, right? There are people who carve a tree into an idol of a false god, and they think that that false god can speak, or walk, or do these things, okay? Keep reading. Jump down if you would to Verse 8. It says, "But they are altogether brutish and foolish. The stock," okay, talking about basically the stump of the tree that's being carved, "Is a doctrine of vanities." Watch. Silver spread into plates. Look. Is this a round, silver ornament hanging on the tree? Is this a silver garland? No. It's what I said. It's silver spread into plates, because it's being silver plated, or gold plated, okay? It says, "Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder." Okay?

Jump down to Verse 14. It says, "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the" what? Graven image. "For his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in him. They are vanity." Look, you can't just take two verses out of context. You have to read the whole chapter. This whole chapter is talking about the same subject. Notice the same words are being used. Look at Verse 3, okay? If you have a pen, you may want to underline a few key words here, okay? In Verse 3, the Bible says, "The customs of the people are" what? Vain, and then it says they cut down a tree, right? Okay, now if you jump down to where he's talking about the graven image, he says in Verse 15, "They are vanity."

Okay, so what is vain? He says, it's vain to cut down a tree and deck it with gold and silver, and think that it can walk, or talk, or do anything. It's not like the true God. It's a false god. Later on, he says that these graven images or molten images are vain. They are vanity. Okay, he's talking about the same thing. Up earlier, he said in Verse 9, silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman at the hands of the founder. See the word "founder?" Jump down to verse 14. "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the graven image." If you look at this chapter, there's a continuity of thought here. We are on the same subject in Verse 14 that we were in Verse 3. He's going on and on about the fact that they are carving idols out of wood.

What does it mean to grave, to engrave something? If I brought in something to an artisan, and said, "I want this engraved," they're going to carve my name into it, or they're going to carve some kind of wording into it. Okay. What is molten? Molten comes from the word melting. You melt down metal. You melt silver. You melt gold. A graven image is an image that is carved of wood. A molten image is an image that is made of molten metal, okay, and what he's saying here is that they are carving a wooden idol, and then overlaying it, decking it, with molten gold and silver, and they believe that it is like unto the God of Israel. You know what? People today will often compare the God of the Bible to other gods. They'll say, "You know, why should I believe the God of the Bible any more than I believe in the god of Islam, or Buddha, or whatever?"

There's no God like unto the true God, and the idol is vanity. It can't talk. It has to be carried, and God makes it clear He never wants us to make any image of Him. Does the Bible specifically prohibit graven and molten images? Oh, yeah. It's one of the ten commandments. "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image." Okay, so there's no question that graven images and molten images are sinful. That matches perfectly with what Jeremiah 10 is teaching, preaching against graven and molten images. To sit there and say, "This is a Christmas tree," and people will even say, "A Christmas tree is a graven image." Let me ask you something. Where's the engraving? Where is it carved? In what way, shape, or form is it carved in any way? Answer me that.

It is just a tree. You brought the tree, and you put it in the house. There's no carving. Nothing has been molten or melted. Look, it's not an image. What's an image? It's something that's made like unto an animal, or a human, or an angel, or a god. Okay, but hold on a second. They'll say, "Well," and go to Isaiah, Chapter 60. They'll say, "Well, you know, okay. It's not a graven image. You got me, Pastor Anderson." Look, can anybody actually say that a Christmas tree is a graven image when it has zero graving and zero molten? Okay, no. They just say, "Yeah, but Jeremiah 10 said not to do it." No, because we read the whole chapter, and it was clear that the tree that they're cutting down in the forest becomes a graven image.

Cutting down trees is not wrong, unless you're part of the Environmental Protection Agency or something. I don't see how you could say there's anything wrong with going into the forest and cutting down a tree, okay? The sin wasn't cutting down the tree. The sin was then graving the tree, carving the tree into an idol, and overlaying it with gold and silver that it might be worshiped.


To conclude this article, I'll say there is nothing wrong in chosen not to celebrate Christmas just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating it. The only wrong found is when those who don't celebrate it start trying to impose their idea on others as if it is a commandment of God when such is not written in the Bible.


Let me explain the below passage so you will understand fully.


Romans 14

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

This is talking about a vegan/vegetarian and people who eat meat and all things.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

The above says he that eats all things should not despise the one who doesn't. Also the one who doesn't should not judge the one who does.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

The above says we are not to judge each other because we are all servants of God. Our master is the one to judge us. You might says, what has this got to do with Christmas. Just keep reading.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

As seems above, it is good to esteem every day in the same manner. Also it is not a bad thing to esteem one day above others just as we esteem December 25th above other days. Verse 6 says he that regards a certain day regards it unto God and he that doesn't regard it does the same unto God.

Ladies and gentlemen, don't let anybody tell you Christmas is a pagan festival. It is not a pagan god we celebrate when we celebrate Jesus who is the reason for the season. It is not a pagan god's story we read when we read Luke 2 from the Bible on Christmas day. If they try to lie to you, show them this article which I will advise you to bookmark because these people will still come around next year with the same lies.

And please don't forget to send me a Christmas gift. PM Now grin


Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by PrimadonnaO(f): 10:14am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


1. Yes, Christmas was a human invention. But is it all human inventions that are bad? Yes, we christians invented it because Jesus himself gave us the power to do so.

Mathew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

We have bound December 25th as a day for the celebration of Jesus. Heaven has also accepted our decision
We have also loosed the pagans from the deceit of Satan. Now they are celebrating Jesus instead of Satan. Or is it Satan's name we called on Christmas?

2. Eid El Kabir is not a Christian festival. Christmas is a Christian festival that's why we celebrate it. Pagans had their own celebration, but I ask, is it their god we celebrate on our own day? No. It is Jesus we celebrate.

3.

Isaiah's 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High

4. Nimrod has no day because he never created any day.

Please stop quoting me Mr Satanist.


Well done! cool
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by JaffyJoe(m): 10:15am On Dec 23, 2018
I wish all religions can just cool the Bleep out. Let's be humane persons to our societies, live moral lives, take care of our family and wait for that peaceful death in our sleep. All these I'm right, you are wrong arguments are pants. We are all going to find out on the other side someday the truth or the lies.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by LuciferCatholic: 10:15am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
The change is not what determines its relevance. It is the acknowledgment of his birthday which means you actually believe he came to this world.



Which means that if I choose to acknowledge Jesus Christ on May 1st, the purpose of Christmas will still work?

If that is the case, it means the December 25th Christmas Day celebrations might actually be meaningless and inconsequential.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Mizwisdom(f): 10:16am On Dec 23, 2018
Atheist don't believe in the reality of Jesus Christ but they contest his date of birth with Christians grin

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by iyamchee(m): 10:16am On Dec 23, 2018
Mizwisdom:



Get theee behind me. You who know nothing about Christianity want to dictate what Christ said or didn't, you now know more about my faith than me? An atheist knows about my religion than me grin I would have like to win your soul for God if you don't mind








I'm not an atheist.... I'm a believer who's willing and ready to make heaven. I try my best to live according to the bible
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by ItsTime4me(m): 10:17am On Dec 23, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


Because some days were ignorantly named after false gods, we should now stop living in them?

Look man, you have no argument, not one backed with the Bible.
Have you ever read Exodus 32:4-10? That portion of the bible talks about how the Israelites adopted an Egyptian religious practice but gave it a new name, " a festival to Jehovah." But how did God feel? He severely punished them for that.

Yes, the Bible does not specifically contain the command "do not celebrate Christmas," but the principle set out in that book of Exodus is that God cares so much about the origin of celebrations, even though they may seem harmless.

Consider this illustration. Suppose you love candy so very much. And as you're walking along the road, you saw your favorite candy in a gutter. Would you go ahead and pick it up and consume it? I know you would not. Why? Because it's from a contaminated source. Similar, since the source of Christmas celebration is pagan, no matter how you change the name or paint it to look harmless, you are contaminating yourself and God won't be happy with you just like he wasn't happy with the Israelites.

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