rigormortis:
and who said they mean the same thing.....Siamese twins are joined together but they are two different individuals.
and if you accept what you know your body cannot tolerate then you must be off your rocker...
I am beginning to think that you are stvpid, pls don't confirm it.

you are the dumb one here. comparing the word tolerance and acceptance to "twins" is just plain STUPID.

Also, you/the mind (thinking faculty) is separate from the body (physical entity). So your example makes no sense.
ex.People with cancer accept chemotherapy even though their bodies do not accept it.
ex. have you ever vomited after eating,drinking or taking medicine before? same thing. body (in this case, stomach) is different from the brain making the decisions.


This is a better example:

Tolerate: You tolerate that handicap beggar on the street but you hate the sight of them. You do not go out to stab them or yell at them (that would be called intolerance/persecution) You just merely tolerate them but do not accept or welcome them. etc

Acceptance: you do not hate the sight of the handicap beggar. you welcome them. In fact, you will give them some change from your pocket when you have money. It is an accepted, normal fact of your life that you engage with

rigormortis:
dafoq are you saying!!
the very idea of a man sticking into another man is repulsive and goes against nature, it cant be compared to the other cases which were borne out of ignorance.

what about a man sticking it to a woman's anus?
that is just as repulsive.
are there laws banning anal sex between a man and woman?
why not go and insert cameras into homes to watch out for anal sex. gay or straight,
determining criteria for marriage based on anal sex is just dumb for that simple reason that there are tons of straight married couples having anal sex. with dildos or penetrating the woman's anus. straight sex is just as repulsive. do you have cameras to see what straight people do behind closed doors?

you are a straight male therefore you only think from a straight male perspective.
I am a woman therefore I can see it from a different perspective. Gay men have tons of straight female friends for a reason.

do you realize that gay men are more persecuted in society than lesbian women? why do you think that is?
the answer is very simple, straight men dominate and control society therefore their perspective is what is dominant even though it is illogical.
If women controlled society, if women created laws, homophobia would probably be harsher towards lesbians and more lenient towards gay men. although not as harsh.

homosexuality is not repultive if you think about it. Are you repulsed by lesbians the way you are with gay men? If the answer is no, then therein lies your answer.
men who virulently hate gays are either closet gays or they also hate women (in an abusive way. ie they are capable of beating and r.aping women. because when you consider it gays are akin to women in their sexuality)

why do you think gay men have tons of female friends?

Sagamite:
If you choose to accept something, then you choose to tolerate it.
If you tolerate it, does not necessarily mean you accept it.

Tolerance is a sub-set of Acceptance.

hahaha everything is right except the last sentence.
tolerance can never be a subset of acceptance. it makes no logical sense

The same person that said "acceptance" means "receiving" is talking?

only an illiterate like you calls a dictionary a "person"

ac·cept·ance
akˈseptəns/
noun
noun: acceptance; plural noun: acceptances

1.
the action of consenting to[b] receive[/b] or undertake something offered.
"charges involving the acceptance of bribes"
synonyms: receipt, receiving, taking, obtaining More

rigormortis:

you are defining a word with that particular word..........that is like being the judge in your own case

tolerance is the noun while tolerate is the verb so it is ok. They are not the exact same word.
ex "let us sing songs"
sing and song are not the same thing so you can use song in the definition of singing etc.
in fact, try to define singing without using the word song. LOL. it is possible but you get the idea.

Tolerate:
verb: allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Tolerance:
noun: the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

remember that these are actually dictionary definitions. If you want to take your case up to miriam webster or oxford then go ahead

rigormortis:

if you go to the clinic and the nurse asks if your body can tolerate penicillin if you say yes then you can ACCEPT it.....both words are intertwined bro

LOL what haven't I seen on Nairaland. What if my body can tolerate it and I don't accept it?
Or I accept it and my body doesn't tolerate it?

tolerance and acceptance DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING.
All these illiterates posting on Nairaland. hahaha.

Sagamite:

You are a person!

Tell me how you can accept something without tolerating it.

I am NEVER wrong when I call people fucktards. You are too stuuuuupid!

well, then you should have said:
acceptance is a sub-set of tolerance instead of tolerance is a sub-set of aceptance

those two sentences have different meanings.
like saying: a shirt is a kind of clothing vs clothing is a kind of shirt


seems like you slept through logical thinking 101

ex. I am a christian. I tolerate islam but do not accept islam. big difference.


Acceptance:
the action or process of being received as adequate or suitable, typically to be admitted into a group.

Tolerance:
the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

Sagamite:
Tolerance is a sub-set of Acceptance. When I said "acceptance", I meant acceptance.

Tolerance is NOT a sub-set of acceptance.

dictionary is your friend.

Sagamite:
Here is the first question I am still waiting for an answer to:
So by accepting deviancy is a measure of progressiveness and being progressive?

well, your question makes no sense because your definition of deviancy is different from mine. You associate deviancy with crime whereas I associate it with societal morality.

Ex. Should we put cameras in peoples bedroom so that we can arrest a man for having anal sex with his wife (anal sex being a sexually deviant behavior) etc that would be dumb. Or arrest a gay man who has sex with a woman (deviant behavior) or arrest a straight man who has sex with a man (another deviant behavior). Role play during sex (deviant behavior). Or arrest a 80yr old man for having sex with a 18 yr old girl (deviant behavior)etc

To me, sex between two consenting adult is legal and therefore whatever morality is associated with it is inconsequential whether I believe in it or not. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean I should persecute those who do it as long as my or others' space or property is not being violated then there should be no problem.


Look on this wikipedia page to read about measures of progressiveness. It has more to do with human rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

Sagamite:
You are a person!
I am never wrong when I use that term on people.
Since when did someone stating "accept" equal an advocacy of being "friends with"?
You are just way too dumb to be talking. There is no post you make that does not expose your fucktardism. It is like if one is engaging with Scun.

Well accepting something implies "receiving" and when you receive someone, you receive them as a guest, friend, member of a social circle etc. maybe you meant to say "tolerance" instead of "acceptance"
Dictionary is your friend (pun intended)

Acceptance:
the action or process of being received as adequate or suitable, typically to be admitted into a group.

Tolerance:
the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

logic 101

Sagamite:



You are a person!
Don't ever think you can strawman me, I am not a person like Scun.
What I asked you was:
"So you know sex and attraction are 2 different things?
So what makes homosexuality different from paedophilia, necrophilia and likes?"

Answer the gaddamn questions.

Give me "facts".

well, your IQ must be very low then if you didn't see the answer. I even put it in in capital letters assuming you are a slowpole.
CONSENT. duh.

what is the difference between a 80yr old man having sex with a 18 yr old girl. which is more perverted? hahahahah there you are with your answer.

By law, children do not have the mental capacity to consent to sex. a gay man r.aping a child is just as guilty of crime as a straight man r.aping a child. so pedophilia and homosexuality are in no way related.

Sagamite:
Start by telling me why we should accept homosexuality.
*Ah, I am going to enjoy this*

hahahhaha you fail. We are not here to convince you to accept homosexuality.
Most pro-gay rights proponents are there to prevent homosexuals from being persecuted by society and shut out of societal institutions. No one is forcing you to make friends with gay. In fact, I doubt any gay in their right mind will want you as a friend. shior.

Sagamite:


And don't think we are still not going to go back to "So by accepting deviancy is a measure of progressiveness and being progressive?".

Never think you can dodge questions from Sagamite.

answer this question: do you think a 60 yr old man marrying/having sex with/attracted to a 18 yr old girl is deviancy?
In modern times in the west, it is deviancy. but in ages past, it was the norm. In some third world countries, it is still the norm.

homosexuality was considered deviancy decades ago but today, the state I live in voted in support of gay marriage. it is now accepted in my state and society as a whole is recognizing it.

Sagamite:
You are a person!
So you know the lecture I was about to give. So you know sex and attraction are 2 different things?
So what makes homosexuality different from paedophilia, necrophilia and likes?

Did you hear about the child bride law in Nigeria's constitution? Well apparently in Nigeria, it is ok to marry a 12 yr old child but being gay is a crime. what do you say about that?
The main distinguishing factor in my eyes is CONSENT. a child does not have the capacity for consent therefore it is a crime to have sex with a child. Even gay people who have sex with children should be jailed.
but when sex is between two consenting adults then it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
there are many heterosexual couples with women who have anal sex. etc. which I think is disgusting but i don't believe that it should be a crime. but when it is being forced aka R.APE. then definitely it is a crime.

I will bet that at least 70% of all men have peedophilic tendencies. But the law prevents things from happening. Imagine in biblical times, it was the norm for girls as young as 12 yrs old to be married. Even in middle east. So should we say all middle eastern men are pedophiles? I guess s by western standards. Same with most northern nigerian men.
I mean even in the west you have rich 60 yr old men marrying 18 yr old girls. It is only law that is preventing them from going younger.

Sagamite:
You are a person.
Are you saying attraction and showing interest in your partner is a Western concept?
They manufactured feelings?
African marriages are not based on love?

hahaha love between a man and a woman is not a manufactured feeling. so why should love between a man and a man be called an unnatural/ manufactured feeling? you see how that logic makes no sense.

marriage is an institution. It was not based on romantic love. Even now in places like india and even many rural places in Nigeria, many marriages are still arrangements between parents of the couple.
Only richer older men get to pick who they marry. which explains why you see things like child brides.

the concept of people picking their partners and marrying whomever they choose is very modern. less than 250 yrs old in Nigeria and less than 500 yrs old in the western world. Why do you think Romeo and Juliet was written?

Even when you read the bible, it is very clear that marriage was an arrangement made when a man became financially rich enough to pick a wife and he doesn't need her consent to marry her.
This would be considered immoral in today's society.

Johnpaul88: If you continue to liken gay with those rubbish you mentioned up their, then you clearly does not know what gay is.
No need to keep wasting invaluable time with you!

don't mind the fool.
he can't wrap his mind around the fact that sex and attraction are two different things.

A straight man having gay sex to me is perverted.
just the way a gay man having straight sex is perverted.

straight = attracted to the opposite sex
gay= attracted to same sex.

I bet he will go into convulsion when he finds out that gay virgins exist. since so many like him equate gayness with sex. well duh. if you are straight, it will be perverted to have gay sex. but that should be normal if you are gay.

Johnpaul88: But the Church sees things differently now. They'll no longer persecute the likes of Galileo because they have now seen the incontrovertible facts he was arguing. I believe they need time in order to set aside their initial belief on certain things including gay & other touchy matters. I believe they'll soon begin to see it differently. Even now, the Pope is becoming less sure on what side he really stands. He's been very reluctant to categorically take a stand & that can be a very encouraging sign. Give them another 10 more years & gays will be weded in the catholic church & in extension, other churches!

Of course. Eventually gay marriage will be completely accepted.
I also wish that they start to recognize female priests. Most protestant churches recognize female church leaders. The catholic church is still the major religious institution that has refused to recognize women as capable of church leaderhip.
the catholic church is extremely conservative. imagine banning condoms until 2003!!

Sagamite:

When we talk about sexual deviancy, we are talking about sexual perversion.

well, the word sex did not show up in your original post.
People say that homosexuality is a western concept. But guess what? Love and romance are also western concepts.
The basis of marriage in Africa as an institution based on love is a western concept.
In the past, you got married based on financial arrangements made by parents etc. People were not allowed to freely love. Free love (choosing your own partner was a perversion).
Only rich old men had rights to pick their own wives.
what you call deviancy is deviancy to you because you probably grew up in a society where that was something you were not exposed to.
Monogamy is deviancy in some cultures/ past where polygamy is the norm.

In a civilized society, a crime is measured by attack on personal space and property. If two men or women are in a consensual relationship, then there is no reason to compare it to pedophilia as a child is NOT a consenting adult.
In fact, gays suffer worse from non-consensual sex/ s.exual abuse esp in places like Nigeria and especially lesbians who are r.aped as a "cure."

Also, sex is not the same thing as attraction. There are many gay men (defined as being attracted to men) who have straight sex (some do it because they are in the closet and therefore married to women etc). Just as there are many straight men who have gay sex (prisons, in Africa, anthropologists found societies where men slept with other men for spiritual purposes. In fact, the British banned sodomy simply because they found this to be common in their colonies. So anti-gay laws actually originated under colonization and are not African.). This is what I would call perversion.

civilization is built upon progress. If you want to persecute gays because "tradition" says so, then why not take off your clothes and go back in the jungle to live like a barbarian.

At least Fela took off his clothes and played the role of the "African man"
he clearly wasn't a civilized gentle man. Even condoms were too western for him. ROTFLMAO

Sagamite:
I ask again: So by accepting deviancy is a measure of progressiveness and being progressive?

deviance suggests something that does not follow the standard of the norm. ie minority.
the minority are ALWAYS persecuted in society reason being that they are a easy scapegoat/target.
the exception being if they are a powerful minority group in which most of the case they are not. there is power in numbers.

Socrates was sentenced to death in his time. His crime: defiance.
Galileo, Jesus Christ, Copernicus, Pythagoras, Newton etc guess what they all have in common? They had ideas that were against the norm and they were sentenced to death for it.

Jesus was deviant in his days. remember that. He was a progressive. He turned tradition upside down. The religious people (pharisees and Sadducee) were actually his worst enemy.

Galileo Galilei, the father of modern physics was persecuted and tried by the catholic church during his time. His crime was heresy. He claimed that the earth revolved around the sun. IMAGINE!! people thought the world was flat because they read the bible and thought it was a sin to claim that the earth is round.
Even today, the main anti-gay proponents come from the church. they always use bible to argue against why gays should be persecuted.
Even condoms were banned by the catholic church until 2003!!! how anti-progressive can you get.

Sagamite:
You are a person!
I knew I was going to enjoy this.
So by accepting deviancy is a measure of progressiveness and being progressive?
Because fucktards like you say it means I should accept it?

Define conservative/traditionalism
so, now, tell me what the opposite is.

modernism/progress
BINGO.

traditional is the opposite of modern
conservative is the opposite of progressive

in a state like Alabama or Mississippi, they are still teaching kids that the world was created 2000 yrs ago. They are teaching kids in public schools that there is no such thing as evolution. They have the worst education result in America and the worst poverty rates in America.They were the last states to abolish slavery and racism, homophobia, sexism etc is 10x worse in those southern conservative states. How backwards can you get? It's ridiculous. If not for northern USA, America will be a third world country.

Sagamite:
Progressive? What a moronic use of the term.
Please educate me what makes them progressive?

Are you seriously this dumb not to know what the term "Progressive" refers to?
How can you even engage in the most basic political discussion without knowing what progressivism means. Do you even vote at all?
When someone says "progressive candidate" you wouldn't even understand what they mean. ie pro-gay rights, pro-women rights, pro-science, pro-minority rights, pro-environmental rights, social activism, anti-slavery, liberal etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

Immanuel Kant identified progress as being a movement away from barbarism towards civilization. 18th century philosopher and political scientist Marquis de Condorcet pre­dicted that political progress would involve the disappearance of slavery, the rise of literacy, the lessening of in­equalities between the sexes, reforms of harsh prisons and the decline of poverty. etc

Nelson Mandela didn't need his help.

FELA: It’s in Nigeria they come and do apartheid committee, apartheid this, meeting
about Namibia in Nigeria. Everything Nigeria takes on it’s head. But this country is a
Gestapo country. How can Nigeria be talking about South Africa? South Africa is better
than Nigeria. I know so. We are saying whites are mis-treating blacks in South Africa.
Okay, that is bad. That is racism. They have a reason to do it. But blacks are mis-treating
blacks in Nigeria. What is the reason? That is worse. Police beat people on the streets like dogs…

This is very ironic. Considering that Fela beat his own wives and children. So are women and children dogs? abi only men deserve human dignity?
I'm also sure it wasn't whites who injected him with AIDS. He used his own p.enis to catch AIDS.
Irony of all ironies. He couldn't help himself so why do we think he can help a whole Nelson Mandela?

jumobi1: Job creation.

hmm good point.

masonkz:


Nope. Just that the people you thought were heterosexuals are coming out as gay... and of course when many of that start happening, you'd naturally think that straight people are turning gay, when the case is not so. If Nigeria is to allow gay be themselves today, you'd be heavily surprised by the number of people that would come out as gay, including a relation/friend. If you're straight, you're straight.

Ellen DeGeneres, Andrew Cooper... the list goes on.

If Ellen DeGeneres ran for office, I would vote for her

masonkz:


Nope. Just that the people you thought were heterosexuals are coming out as gay... and of course when many of that start happening, you'd naturally think that straight people are turning gay, when the case is not so. If Nigeria is to allow gay be themselves today, you'd be heavily surprised by the number of people that would come out as gay, including a relation/friend. If you're straight, you're straight.

isale_gan2:

Do not expect that people in Europe will pat you on the back and throw a party for you once they find out you're gay.

The two self-identified homosexuals I've read on here appear to be decent, naive guys. Find out what went wrong with you and get cured. Maybe it's a case of arrested development, or other personal difficulties. Maybe you watched too many movies. Hollywood and Western counterculture media is actively involved in propaganda to make deviant behaviours acceptable. A confused young man is a sitting duck to be victimized by this anti-social and anti-cultural misinformation.

The fact is, homosexuality is not as accepted by the general public as the carefully edited news might lead you to believe. A lot of these "Equal Rights" are legislative (oftentimes ratified through a narrow margin) or imposed by the courts, but not reflective of the feelings of people. You will still face a lot of rejection.

You are very dumb. If you live in a progressive country or state, homosexuality is 10000x better than in Naija.
Scandinavian countries for example (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland etc) are more progressive than in southern europe (Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece etc)
In the USA, the northern states are more progressive than the southern states. If you live in a backward, southern, republican state Alabama, Texas or Mississippi, then I can understand why you believe that homosexuality isn't accepted by the general public. But if you live in a state like Washington or Massachusetts or Iowa or New York then you must be out of your mind to think gays are outcasts. LOL they are NOT. Homophobes like you will not be able to survive in urban cities of progressive states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
same sex marriage is recognized through POPULAR VOTE. meaning people like me go out and vote and we win. Northern US states predominate the list for a reason. we are progressive.

Why should we even need bus conductors? Buses should have automatic machine slots (farebox) for money and payment cards. Just pay into the machine.

turl: Don't have any problems with gay people whatsoever. I should point out though that a lot of you thinking it's all perfection outside the shores of naija because you're gay are very misinformed. They're still homophobes in every corner of the world - developed or not.

you are mistaken. Things aren't perfect, but much better!