rigormortis:

dont get it twisted folks i still dont like gays....i would change one of i could...but since i cant i will just expreess my veiws and leave......no use killing urself over this ish

The word is called Tolerance
It's what distinguishes a civilized person from a barbarian orangutan like sagamite.

Same thing that happened with interracial marriage is what will happen with gay marriage. Mark my words.

abi interracial marriage was the "unnatural" "immoral" act decades ago. Where couples of different races were treated as criminals because it was illegal for people of different races to marry. (not that it wasn't going on behind closed doors ROTFLMAO).

All the arguments against interracial relationships decades ago, are almost exactly the same arguments homophobes use against homosexual relationships. HAHAHA
People will use all sort of stupid illogical arguments to argue for their bigoted beliefs. It's ridiculous.

unnatural ko, deviant ni. next time you see an interracial or gay couple. I hope the fool gets a heart attack.

kandiikane:
Dont tell me you are against homosexuality.

Sagafuckface, long time, i see you are still spewing nonsense on homosexual threads. Just come out of the bloody closet already.

yeah. He strikes me as a self-hating closet homosexual.

usmsam: You see what I talk about. You bash people left right and centre with your evil hearts. When people are not used to a something or people, they condemn or even kill, because they don't understand. When white people discovered Africa, they condemned us as monkeys/barbarians before they turned some of us to their slaves. They justified slavery using the old testament and did as they liked. Gay people remind me of those days. You don't need to be in support of homosexualism but you need to have a heart. Even if these people chose to be gay, how does that affect you? Nigeria has way too much going on to be obsessed with this tiny thing. If we get rid of all the gays in Nigeria, will it still stop the fact that Nigeria is a hellhole with no leadership or direction in the future? All of you need to get your priorities right and leave these people alone.
My $0.02

It's the mob mentality. People are ok with committing evil when they feel that they can get away with it.
Also known as "scapegoating mentality". or "let us target the weak amongst us" mentality.

in Nazi Germany, most Germans were complicit in the killing of the Jews for the exact same reasons. The horrors are shocking in the aftermath but it all was normal and (to borrow Sagamite's word) natural. "Everyone hates jews so therefore it is ok to murder them" mentality.

In reality, none of them have the backbone to go after powerful corrupt politicians or corrupt powerful businessmen etc. It is usually the weak and defenseless that are used as scapegoat for a backward and cowardly society's ill.

savagery
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klinee the r.apist

rigormortis:
now there are some set of ppl who take pride in being different ie those who want to go about nak3d, some of them go ahead and form nak3d colonies while some attempt to flash privates or go unclad in public...its his/her right...right?...well hell no..they get arrested for indecent exposure......

same thing with gay peeps, you might feel different and fvkc your fellow man in the secret of your room, but for the society/government to formally institutionalise it........that's another thing sire

even the western world you hold as an example....do you know that frank ocean lost a lot of fans when he came out of the closet

frank ocean is black. black/african men are the most homophobic race. black gays are also more likely to stay in the closet. even in the western world. Do you think the western world will be developed if only blacks and africans lived in it?
Besides, Frank Ocean did the right thing and liberated himself from torment of hiding his identity. Life is not a popularity constest. As long as he is able to recognize his true friends and supporters from the so called "fans". Imagine if I had to put on a ton of make-up every morning just to pretend I was a white instead of black or to pretend I was male instead of female. Gay people who are not allowed to be themselves due to societal persecution go through a lot of torment and that is why they request governmental recognition.
It is unfair for gays to have to pay higher taxes because they cannot be recognized as legal couples. etc
why should gays be fired from work or discriminated against in societal institutions (schools, hospitals, public spaces etc) just for being gay etc. Every other month there is news of gay students committing suicide due to persecution and torment at school. That is recoiling.

If Frank Ocean's fan base was white or women, then he will have less problem. As a rapper, his fan base was black males so therefore of course black males (like arab males)are mostly homophobic and also more likely to have violent tendencies. remember rappers sing along about sex, degrading acts toward women. in fact, rap is sexist so it is no surprise that an openly gay rapper will not be too popular. But again, life is not a popularity contest. I am sure he is happier being open and honest with the world.

Sagamite:

person, that is why we will not give you an INCH in Nigeria.

Stay in your state and enjoy your homosexuality.

It will never be legalised in Nigeria.

last time I checked, you live in the UK. so why don't you move back to your backward village in Nigeria then?
why you sitting in UK? I bet you suffer from mini-heart attacks every single time you walk the streets of London. hahaha good for you.
all homophobes ought to be taught a lesson.

Maine Gubernatorial candidate Announces he is Gay
https://www.nairaland.com/1504646/maine-candidate-governor-announces-hes#19304755

Obama announces support for Same-sex marriage
https://www.nairaland.com/934071/obama-announces-support-same-sex-marriage

It is not for you to decide. This is the FUTURE.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/04/economist-explains-why-iceland-ban-po.rnography

Why does liberal Iceland want to ban online po.rnography?
Iceland's proposed ban can be seen as a continuation of earlier legislation to regulate the sex industry. In 2009 it introduced fines and prison terms for those who patronise prostitutes (though not the prostitutes themselves, which the law treats as victims). In 2010 it outlawed strip clubs. And distributing and selling po.rnography in Iceland has actually been illegal since 1869.

The main reason behind the proposed ban seems paradoxical: it is a result of Iceland being a highly liberal place. The country is run by the world's only openly lesbian prime minister, while 65% of Icelandic children are born outside marriage (more than any other country in the OECD). Children are given extensive sex education in schools. Mini-vibrators and condoms are sold at supermarket checkouts. Along with Norway and Sweden, Iceland has one of the highest rates of female enrollment in higher education (women outnumber men 3:2). Salary gaps between men and women are some of the lowest in the world and the rate of female participation in the labour force is one of the highest. Just after Finland, and at the same time as Denmark, Iceland was one of the earliest countries to grant women the vote in 1915. Iceland's powerful feminist movement is now championing the ban on online po.rnography, specifically that which is violent or degrading, mostly towards women.


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^This is an idea of what the world will look like if the tables turned and more women were in power. This is a taste of what is to come
Backward Africa will catch up in 100 yrs but it will eventually catch up.

fool is trying to lecture me on what is "natural" yet I bet he has never considered whether P.orn was natural. if we spend as much time as we spend on persecuting gays on doing constructive things like condemning degrading p.ornography and strip clubs then yes I will say that is what I consider natural. Your opinions are different from mine. The world is changing from a straight male dominated world to a more equal world. I'm sure blacks didn't consider it "unnatural" for Obama to be elected president. Racist whites would find it unnatural. hahah
just as sexist homophobes would be d ones finding anything that is not a straight male as "unnatural"
haha the table is turning.

Sagamite:

Just like a lot of ediots, you do not understand the meaning of natural.

You just are not intelligent enough to.

You see ediots coming up with moronic statements like "going to school is natural".

Here is the lesson, get out your notebook and jot: Actions are not what is natural. It is desires and physiological make-up.

Now I know that is big grammar. Get a DICTIONARY!

You are not the sharpest tool in the box.

keep echoing like a broken record. the picture on your profile is the most unnatural thing i've seen. get out of here. you look like a creep

rigormortis:

another question..........do you think gay ppl should raise/adopt kids?

I actually personally KNOW a gay couple raising an adopted child. He is a teenager now.
so that is not even a question.you know my answer.

women have raised children with other women for generations. who do you think raise children in those nigerian polygamous families. isn't it just the wives who live together while the father is just some distant figure that is mostly absent from their childrens' lives.

children need care and nurture irregardless of whether its a single parent, two parents, heterosexual, homosexual, adopted or biological.

I live in a liberal state in the US. the homophobic people in my city are d ones who would be scared in public because we will not tolerate homophobia. You will get fired from your job for making homophobic remarks. best believe.

Sagamite:

You really are a person!

You do not understand the meaning of natural.
!

of course I don't....

domestic abuse is natural.
r.ape is natural.
sexism is natural.
persecution of homosexuals is natural.
religious violence is natural.

just because you have a natural disposition toward a vice doesn't mean everyone else should accept it as normal.
chilren use d computer and p.orn comes up. none of the male politicians are doing anything about it. what do they care about children. they will gladly allow child marriage afterall. to them that's natural.
It took a woman president to consider the topic and see that it is wrong. Goes to show why we need more diverse leaders, women, gay etc.
everyone should have a voice at the table. not just straight men getting to decide for eveyone else what should be considered "natural"

Sagamite:

You really are a person!

You do not understand the meaning of natural.

GET A DICTIONARY!

you are a bleating bastard!! get a life or go hug a transformer. 2013 and beyond is not for you. get a time machine and go back to 1600s for your "natural" bush life. FOOL.

You are in for a rude awakening. Women are waking up and our opinion are coming out in the open. You hate gays? too bad. Deal with it. We women don't.
My state voted by popular vote in support of gay marriage thanks to high women voter turn out. Same with all the 14 states in USA that have recognized gay marriage by POPULAR GENERAL VOTE... that puts a big hole in the argument that everyone hates gays.
14 states and counting and it is all happening rapidly. Hilary Clinton will run for election in 2016 hopefully. I bet you 100% she doesn't hate gays.

do you know that americans will never vote a gay ars3 president
do you know that gays are ridiculed subtly and the only reason why they are not sacked and ridicule in the open is because of lawsuits
don't deceive yourself gays don't live normal life anywhere

people said a black will never be president.
A gay man is running for governor in Maine. You will see in less than 50 yrs we will have a gay president.

Former prime minister of Iceland is a gay woman. This is one the most progressive countries in the world. Homosexuality is 100% accepted and so is gender equality!! This is the future of western world. and maybe backward africa will catch up 200 yrs later.
look at this list. look at the dates. they are all very recent. more and more gays are involved in politics. gays, women, minorities etc. the oppressed people in society. esp women since we make up 50% of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_LGBT_holders_of_political_offices

if I were elected president, I will ban P.orn too.That woman president in Iceland is very sensible. Thinks like a woman.
enough of straight male domination of society. deciding for everyone what should be considered "natural" or "normal"
imagine it is illegal for a woman to drive a car in saudi arabia! for women to wear skirts in parts of Nigeria. what is natural or normal about that?
why are we obsessed with taking rights away from other people?

homosexuality is Not unnnatural anymore than hefner's marriage to young women is unnatural or polygamy is unnatural. so shut it and goodnight.
All you are seeing is a reversal of the sexism that has been accepted in society as normal.
I'm sorry you are having a heart attack over it.

not only will gays be normalized, even older 70yr old women marrying 18 yr old boys will be come normal as well. you are in for a rude awakening of gender equality!!
gay acceptance is merely a symptom of women's vote and opinion being accepted more and more in society.

Iceland has a female president and they are going to ban internet p.orn (that is degrading toward women) over there!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban
If a man was the president, do you think such por.n would be banned? is po.rn natural in your eyes? or isn't it perverted? why are we obsessed with gays yet ok with po.rn? SIMPLE: MALE BIAS IN SOCIETY. They will only ban things that cater to their own perverted satisfaction. like controlling women in a country like Saudi Arabia, where women are not allowed to drive, to travel without a man's permission and have restricted rights to vote. Does that sound natural to you?
in a female dominated society, p.orn will be banned and considered unnatural. go and ask the people of iceland.

you are in for a RUDE AWAKENING.
the world is moving FORWARD. PROGRESS. This ain't 1820s of 1660s.
you don't get to decide for others what should be natural. if it ain't violating your personal space or property, mind ur business or go hug a transformer.

Sagamite:

You answers are moronic!

1. Someone using intelligence as an example of deviancy when we are talking about homosexuality is just like Scun, a person. That person would even use intelligence as an example to argue against armed robbery.

Homosexuality is a sexual deviancy and a sexual perversion (you really, really need to buy a dictionary to be able to read this up). That is not a subjective matter, it is a fact.

2. Homosexuality, paedophilia, necrophilia, beastility etc are all deviant and pervert in natural terms. The sexual "desire"/"urge" they possess is dysfunctional and unnatural. The act is what is different. Homosexuality when acted upon can be between legally consenting people.

So next time, separate the desire from the act.

The law does! As no one is ever arrested for being an homosexual, they are arrested for homosexual acts in countries that see the desire as dysfunctional and unnatural as any logical country should. The West have chosen to ignore that and even attempt sophism in denying it.

So, your answer was not intelligent enough, hence not right!

laws in the USA are based on whether an act violates space and personal property.
if you call yourself straight and decide to penetrate your gf anally, then that's your problem as long as she consents and she is an adult.
in countries where laws are based on religion (muslim countries, northern nigeria etc) it is illegal to drink alcohol and do other things that are based on morality. even if the acts do not hurt or harm others. ex women not allowed to wear skirts or bright colors.and other such stupid "morality" laws. Ironic that in these same countries young girls as young as 6yr old are married off to old men because the quran allows it. Morality is SUBJECTIVE . laws should be based on objective grounds ie measuring how they violate personal space and property.

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so is anal sex between heterosexuals, use of equipments, bondage, domination, prostitution, foot fetish and 1001 other things are "perverted"
a 80 yr old man sleeping with a 18 yr old etc. like I said, go and fix cameras in peoples bedrooms if you are so obsessed with sexual deviance. rubbish. yes it is not common but that shouldn't be any of your business as long as it is not impinging on you personal space (body) and property. Tons of older men are married to young women that to me is no different than homosexuality. It is considered a perversion depending on your mindset. do you consider a 60 yr old man married to a 20 yr old woman a perversion? exactly. I do.
if laws were based on perversion then even you would be in jail because you look perverted.

I am pretty sure I have answered all your questions to the best of my ability. In fact, multiple times. Go back and read my post. it's not my fault that my answer is not the "right" one for your mindset. I am not here to read your mind and give you an answer that satisfies your mindset and opinion.


one more time:

1. deviancy is senseless because everyone's definition is different. a nun's definition of deviancy is different from a prostitutes. A man's definition of devianncy is different from a woman's. A rich man's definition of deviancy is different from a poor man. an educated man's definition is different from an illiterate's. A muslim's definition is different from a christian's
Progressiveness is not about deviancy as it is about human rights. If a prostitute is deviant in the eyes of the masses that doesn't mean the prostitute shouldn't be guaranteed basic human rights. as long as they are not impinging upon the space and property of another human being ex. hurting others or stealing or destroying another person's property. r.ape falls under the category of hurting others. so you need CONSENT.
in fact, if polygamists come out next to try to get polygamy legal in USA, I cannot disagree if all the women consent to it and they are at consenting age. although in my moral opinion polygamy is a deviant behavior. so like I said, progressivism is not about persecuting deviancy but more about respecting human rights and other things of course.( google "progressivism"

2. your question doesn't make a lot of sense because homosexuality, paedophilia and necrophilia are not even alike. They are all different things. The only thing that they have in common is that they are illegal in western countries. Just like polygamy. If you go to northern nigeria or middle east, pedophilia and polygamy is legal. In fact, in the west, pediphilia is dependent on the legal definition of adulthood. some countries set it to 18, some set it to 16 etc. to me a 70 yr old man attracted to a 18 yr old is a pedophile in my books. even though the girl is adult age. so like I said it all depends. it is repulsive but who am I to persecute or condemn if they are consenting adults? CONSENT is the big word I kept repeating that you turned a deaf hear to.
having sex with corpses also is repulsive. if you choose to have sex with your grandma's decaying body in your private bedroom, that's none of my business.trust me, if the govt could put cameras to see what goes on behind close doors in peoples bedrooms, tons of things will be illegal. including heterosexual anal sex or even use of vibrators. a lot of perverse things go on behind closed doors that I cannot even imagine. seriously. the obsession with sex is stupid because even heterosexual sex can be just as perverse.
In fact, even cannibalism is legal. eating human flesh or a dead body is completely legal. Usually cannibals who are arrested are arrested for murder or desecration/dismembering of a body. but not for actually eating a dead body. This is the only thing I can compare to necrophilia.
what I see as illegal is if there is no CONSENT. if someone is being forced to have sex against their CONSENT. neecrophilia is illegal because it is counted as un-consentual. Laws aren't based on whether something is disgusting or not. They are based on whether they violate somebody's space or property. trust me, lots of things that go on behind closed doors would be illegal if mere disgust was the deciding factor

so yeah. comparing a 70 yr old man marrying an 18 yr old to a man having sex with a dead corpse is just silly.
or hererosexual anal sex to homosexual sex if morality is the only common factor.


If you still don't see an answer in this then you are on your own. adieu

Even then, why should it be a man vs woman thing?
Should we start deciding whether to ban things that men dislike or ban things that women dislike etc. that's just silly and petty.
using logical objective reasoning will be obviously better choice but how can one be objective when stuck with a closed-minded mentality shaped by a certain biased view of the world?

Sagamite:

First of all, the sample pull of the women you know is not a sensible pool to use to argue a law. I note you consistently and carefully stick with that choice of words "the women I know", which suggests if you go outside this bracket, you know you will get a different result. So don't try and BS someone that has triple your IQ. Never use that as an argument when talking to me again. I expect people to use more sense and logic when debating with me.

Secondly, even if majority of the women in the country you live in do not find it disgusting then let the government feel free to institutionalise it (as long as majority of the people, including the men, also do not find it disgusting). In Nigeria, I am sure majority of the women find it disgusting, so they are free to reject it.

When you start with stuuupid arguments, I tend not to read the rest. I only read the first paragraph here.



Phobias are obviously illogical.

But calling something unnatural and causing pure healthy and natural disgust, which leads to rejection of the thing, a phobia is obviously moronic!

I suggest you get a dictionary (this now appears critical) so you understand the meaning of phobia, so you stop using lame terms like homophobia because the stuupid Western press use it as part of their pro-homosexual propaganda.

I include women in the media as well and if you are attentive you will notice that even in politics, when it was time to vote for gay marriage, there were more women carrying the signs than men.
There are also more women in the democratic party (pro-gay rights) than republican party (anti-gay rights). In fact, without women votes, democratic party will be nothing. This is why I say level of homophobia is related to level of lack of gender equality in society. This is an observation.

So this is not something I am making up out of thin air.
I think it is pretty obvious that women are generally not repulsed by gay men.

that guy in the picture is a nigerian man.He is extremely famous in naija among women. Do you think they find him repulsive? NO.
The only man to come out openly as gay in Nigerian media is Bisi Alimi. He was interviewed by Funmi Iyanda (a woman) and her male bosses at NTA cancelled her show simply because she interviewed a gay man. Now tell me if you truly believe women are free to make political decisions in Nigeria?

put simply: homophobia is illogical.
the pervasiveness of homophobia is intertwined with the pervasiveness of sexism that exists in society.

Sagamite:

So what if they are not (as YOU claim) as repulsed by homosexual men?

They are repulsed by it is what matters?

So how is the outlawing in a society where majority of people are repulsed a forcing of the perspective of men?

None of the women I know are repulsed by it. I can't speak for all women in the world is why I phrased it that way. I didn't want to make a conclusive remark. But from a woman perspective, I am pretty sure majority of women are NOT repulsed by gay men. we are more tolerant and/or accepting towards gays (esp. gay guys) than men are. Effeminate guys are cute and just full of life. seriously. I would be happy to have even anderson cooper as my friend and he's not very effeminate.
majority of men does not equate majority of people. If we had a society where women dominated, reality will be COMPLETELY different.

besides, outlawing based on so called repulsion is stupid. because I am repulsed when I see a 70yr old man kissing a 18 yr old girl. most women are. But most men are probably not.
should we also ban people from smoking because we find the smell of weed repulsive? or enforce baths and ban poor people from using public places because they don't smell as nice as rich people?
To me, I value human rights. Tatoos are repulsive to me but I would never even think of hatred toward a person with tatoos.
why do you think religious violence exists in Nigeria. there is no tolerance.

just because someone repulses you doesn't mean you should wish them death or go and carry your gasoline and set another human being on fire. that's barbaric and primitive behavior.

rigormortis:

pls is that man one of your gay friends...cos I saw him and the thought of him unclad made me vomit the lunch I have not even eaten

this is exactly my point. you are repulsed because you are not attracted to men. I am somewhat repulsed by lesbian women too. esp. the butch manly ones. but I am not repulsed by gay men.
he is actually a nigerian man. He is famous in nigeria among women as a make-up artist and hairdresser. he ties gele too. In fact he is married to a woman although I am 90% sure he is gay based on videos i've seen of him the way he talks and his mannerism.
Imagine the thousands of gay men married to women in Nigeria and pretending to be straight ( ) simply because they would be persecuted if they were open about their sexual identity. This is what I see as perversion. a gay man having sex with a woman.
would you have sex with a lesbian. many straight men have sex with lesbians to "cure" them. imagine that perversion. urghhhh
see how illogical it is.

rigormortis:

before I continue this talk.....one question.................are you a lesbo?

I am a straight female but I have gay friends. I see nothing wrong with gay guys. I have never met a woman who was repulsed by a gay man the way straight men are repulsed.
I am more uncomfortable around lesbian women which makes sense because of my gender but I am still tolerant of it. I can't say that I accept it because I have absolutely no lesbian friends and am not interested in having lesbian friends but I recognize their right not to be persecuted by society.
Straight men probably feel the same way towards gay men. but their perspective is the more dominant in society and laws are based on this straight male perspective.
So when you present something a fact, just know that it is subjective because there are people who have different point of views.

many straight men do not find lesbians repulsive and ACCEPT IT. Many straight men who hate gays will be fine with befriending a lesbian.
when they hear homosexuality, they think of sex between men. They are only thinking of themselves and cannot comprehend or consider other peoples' perspectives or mindsets.
all of this suggests only one thing: homophobia is illogical. persecuting men for not thinking the way you do. is like persecuting muslims or christians for not sharing your religion or persecuting any other group of people.

countries with strict anti-gay laws are just a reflection of how oppressed women also are in such societies.
because all it suggests is men creating laws based on their whims and whatever floats their boats.

rigormortis:

1. it is not where you are sticking it into but WHO you are sticking into...male or female..thats the question

2. gay men have female friends because they know he is a man they can exploit without having to give up "anything"

girls are generally envious and jealous of other girls by nature, so to see a man who she can be friends with and confide in without running the risk of being busted down there is a plus

lastly girls might be friends with gay men but they wont be sexually attracted to them.....most girls even dislike an effeminate straight dude

again, I am a female so my opinion is different from yours.
I have gay friends and they are my friends just as my female friends.
you are male and therefore have no right to explain to me why I have my gay friends. What next, you will start explaining to me what my period cycle looks like? LOL men trying to act as if they control everything including women's bodies and gay peoples bodies.
Listening to men debate abortion laws is hilarious. They have no natural idea about the female anatomy yet they are the ones who create laws on birthing etc. Very stupid. Just shows exactly why society is dominated by men and therefore most laws we have including anti-gay laws are biased.

DUH. so can you explain to my why lesbians don't repulse you as much as gay men?
so why all the governmental laws targeted at gay men simply based on a bias that straight men have!
women make up 50% of the world yet we act as if being gay is this disgusting unnatural thing when most women (half the population!) do not see things that way. Women do not count in law-making that's why.

arguing against gays because anal sex is repulsive to you makes no sense because many women go through anal sex (whether forcefully or consensually) and therefore see no difference. To me gay sex for men is just as repulsive as anal sex for a woman.

the repulsion you have is simply because you are male.
I am a female and I am NOT repulsed by gay men. to me, there is nothing unnatural about it to the point of making it a crime. thats just vile unnecessary hatred

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