Uyi Iredia:

But there is a basis for comparison: that was my argument. Like being gay, besti*lity is minorly practiced and strongly averred. If the West compare polygamy to be$tiality (which isn't generally done) then they should be OK with comparison of gays to b€$tials.

the conditions you give for comparing anything to bestility are:
1. minority
2. aversion.

Do you know who else fits that condition? Nigerians in South Africa. 1. they are a minority. 2. they are strongly averred or hated.
So, is xenophobia ok? Is racism ok if it involves a hated minority group ? was the holocaust against the jews in germany ok? is it ok to persecute minority christians in the north beacause they are averred? keep producing silly arguments ok? At least the western countries have learned from their past experiences to be more tolerant of all human beings.
come up with a better basis for comparison. Until you do so, your posts contain absolutely zero logic.

I know why you are comparing gays to bestials. you consider gay people to be animals. you don't see them as human beings. like I said, whites used to see blacks as animals as well. germans saw jews as animals etc. Humans have a natural violent nature that is suppressed by civilization. Even then, these violent tendencies are often taken out on minority groups that are not well liked, because if they are persecuted, no one will care. It is easy to target the weak or minority because they are too few in number or strength to stand up and defend themselves.
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In both crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes, or race hate) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group. Examples of such groups include but are not limited to: racial group, religion, se.xual orientation, ethnicity or gender identity.[1]

Hate crime is a category used to describe bias-motivated violence: "assault, injury, and murder on the basis of certain personal characteristics: different appearance, different color, different nationality, different language, different religion."[2]

"Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters (hate mail).[3]

A hate crime law is a law intended to prevent bias-motivated violence. Hate crime laws are distinct from laws against hate speech in that hate crime laws enhance the penalties associated with conduct that is already criminal under other laws, while hate speech laws criminalize a category of speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime

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Uyi Iredia:


Where did you get learn that Fela abused his wives or thought them without dignity ? I need evidence for that please.

read his biography. Fela- this b.itch of a life.
http://www.amazon.com/Fela-This-Bitch-Carlos-Moore/dp/1556528353

he didn't have much respect for women in general. and yes, he beat his wives when they disobey him. He called it the "African way"

^ seems like your IQ must be really low if you can't understand a simple concept.
Just because something is being compared to bestiality doesn't mean that there is a basis for comparison. Interracial relationships were compared to bestiality 50yrs ago. Polygamy is compared to bestiality in the west. yet in Nigeria, polygamy is the norm esp among folks who aren't westernized. Fela for example. He is seen as a "hero" yet he had THIRTY WIVES. Should we start hailing people who practice bestiality as heroes too?

Uyi Iredia:

I tire of this folly. Not all people who disapprove of gays are closet gays, to insinuate such, especially where it is unproven, is silly.

well, an awful lot of them are. The more extreme they are in their homophobia, the higher the chance that they are closet gays.
so I will wait to see how many posts you make on this thread then let you know whether or not you are a closet gay based on your obsession.

But in any case, you fail to answer why gay marriage should be allowed over, say, incëstuous or child marriages.

google is your friend.

Child marriage exists all over the world. Some countries define adulthood as 18+, others define it as 21+, others yet still define it as 16+ so depending on the country, a bride could be a child while in another country, she would be considered an adult.In fact according to Nigerian constitution, a 9 yr old girl can be defined as an adult if she has a husband. Ever heard of someone called Senator Yerima?

At the end of the day,the thing that makes pedo.philia immoral is the R.APE because a child does not have the capacity to say no or resist force. in that case, I consider it as R.APE.
R.APE is a crime. it is a violent attack on someone. and by that definition, most pedo.philes violate a victim's physical space (their body).

if a 20yr old woman has the physique of a 14 yr old child, she will attract p.edophiles. because p.edophiles are people who are attracted to the physique of young children. In that case though, it will be considered legal because a 20y old woman is an adult who has the capacity for consent.

can you see what I mean now?
Ped.ophilia by itself is not illegal. It is the R.APE that is illegal. having sex with a child is illegal whether you are a ped.ophile or not. ex a 18 yr old who has sex with a 16yr old will be arrested for r.ape in the USA.

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With incestuous marriage,10% of all marriages in the world are incestuous (usually between cousins) and it is legal in many parts of the world including many states in the USA. the only reason it is made illegal is because of the birth defects in the offspring. This is the same reason certain chemicals might be banned if they cause birth defects. etc It is more of a health precaution and not necessarily a "moral" thing. Ex. smoking is banned from public space in USA because of the health hazard to others (the fumes can cause cancer. aka second-hand smoking). but if you smoke in your own home or on private spaces, then no one will arrest you since you are only killing yourself and not others.

This is what we should learn to distinguish morality from logic.
r.ape as a crime is logical. it is a violent attack on someone.
incest as a crime is logical. it is a health hazard (until advanced technology is developed to screen defects in pregnancy etc then it may become ok)
infact, cannibalism in the USA is not a crime. what is a crime is if you kill or maim someone and then eat them. you will be arrested for the killing and maiming but you won't be arrested for the eating of the flesh. that is not considered a crime.
so if you found a decaying body on the road and decide to eat it, you wont be arrested. more likely you have a mental illness since there will be bacteria in it. but it's your body. you are free to do what you want to yourself. just as gays should be free to do what they want.
you are free to have a tattoo, piercings etc you won't be arrested for adultery or fornication because it's more of a moral issue and not a logical reason to be arrested.

all these holier-than-thou trying to create laws based on morality are S.TUPID. If an act doesn't violate your physical space (body) or property, then there is no reason for it to be illegal.

I am yet to meet anyone provide any logical reason for why gay marriage should be banned. It's always some stupid "moral" reason. well then, in that case, fornication and adultery should also be banned and fornicators and adulterers should be arrested, don't you think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amina_Lawal

or maybe we should put cameras into peoples' homes and arrest all those who masturbate and men who are having a.nal sex and blow j0bs with their wives. how immoral

^ the definition was for a careerist. It applies to men and women. In fact, it applies more to men since men are more guilty of it.

careerist (plural careerists)
A person who pursues the advancement of his career at the expense of other values.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/careerist

careerist - a professional who is intent on furthering his or her career by any possible means and often at the expense of their own integrity
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/career+man

There are value oriented men and women who balance work and home life. and there are the careerist men (and women) who probably are those who neglect their children, spouse, family, friends and even their own health and happiness or values to pursue career goals. Again, by sheer number, men are more guilty of this than women. Just that society makes it ok for men to be absent from their family and condemns women more harshly for the same thing. an absent mother is no worse than an absent father.

so I don't understand why you choose to apply your stupid definition just to women. I call it stupid because you assume that anyone who is not a careerist must be jobless man or stay-at-home woman. You misinterpreted the FT "definition." Use your critical thinking skills next time. Even if you find a definition on one website, check other sites (including the dictionary) to verify what you see and to understand the meaning.

anyway, if you don't want to marry a careerist, no one is putting a gun to your head. Who cares. many of them (men AND women) probably don't even care for marriage for the time being.
However, you are disingenuous when you promote the idea that any woman who is not a stay at home mom is a bad mother, bad wife and other 18th century nonsense you are spouting.
majority of women with careers are also good mothers and wives. same goes for majority of men with careers.

reminds me of the story of this guy. certainly a careerist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398415/Moritz-Erhardt-dies-High-flying-bank-intern-died-working-crazy-hours-written-huge-pressure-succeed.html

"ANC President Jacob Zuma continues to fan the flames of racial division. Last December, he admonished black South Africans for being dog owners, saying that doing so amounts to copying white culture. Zuma’s office contended the message was aimed at ”the need to decolonize the African mind post-liberation.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/the-gruesome-reality-of-racist-south-africa/

hahah what did I say?
as more and more people own pets and these people openly care for their pets, the backlash will increase.

having a pet in Nigeria may soon be considered illegal because it promotes bestiality and is a "western import"
can't wait till a fews decades from now when we will be discussing animal rights. hahahaha
Africa is always 100yrs behind the rest of the world.

goodluck to families who decide to have pets instead of breeding a plethora of children. I remember my oyinbo classmate who was mourning d death of his dog pet of 12yrs. he would probably be stoned to death in naija for bestiality. LOL


mark my words, this will be the big debate in a few decades (or less) to come. pet owning families in Africa will be persecuted.

career man - a man who is a careerist
career woman - a woman who is a careerist
careerist - a professional who is intent on furthering his or her career by any possible means and often at the expense of their own integrity
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/career+man
^

by this definition, women should avoid career-men as well. I guess we are even. goodnite

Uyi Iredia:

If pro-gay folks like you are smug with drawing parallels between SSM and inter-racial marriages. Then anti-gay folks are hljustified in drawing parallels to deviancies or arrangements such as inc€$t, p€dophilia, b€$tiality, polygamy etc to make their point of drawing a line when it comes to sexual behaviours and marriages and their acceptability within society. The only parallel you have is the marital discrimination based on race. We OTOH have discrimination based on the no of spouses, the age of spouses, the species of spouse, the relation of spouse. Do you by any means think society's treatment of such arrangements discriminatory ? Why so ? And why should your arrangement same-sex marriage take precedence ?

you make no sense. The point of the matter is that 50 yrs ago, inter-racial marriages were also compared to bestiality!!
the only difference is that times have changed. 50 yrs from now, we will probably see a gay president of the US.

besides, polygamy is still legal in many societies. including Nigeria. so what's your point? at least 80% of Nigerian senators have either multiple wives or mistresses.also, old men still sleep with young women in droves. go and look at the nigerian college campuses. how is this different from ped.ophilia?

As long as they are men and they are rich, they are free to do whatever they wish in naija.
society tend to prey on the powerless.

Fela married 30 women in one day and was physically abusive toward them. yet he sang about colonization and police brutality. To him, women don't count as people deserving of respect and dignity. in the same way a lot of nigerians also think of gays.

many people have animals as pets that even share d same bedroom. they kiss their pets and treat them like human beings. maybe we should make it illegal for people to keep animals as pets because it leads to bestiality? This is a more logical argument than comparing homosexuality to bestiality IMO. but of course bigotry will cause people to make the most stupid arguments to justify their senseless hatred.
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DISCRIMINATION
(Age, Race, Sex, National Origin, Religion, Disability, Pregnancy, Medical Condition, Marital
Status, Se[size=1pt].[/size]xual Orientation)
It is an unlawful ... practice to discriminate against any person because of that person's age,
race, gender, national origin, religion, physical or mental disability, medical condition, pregnancy,
marital status or se[size=1pt].[/size]xual orientation

The developed world is on the right track.

Austinmoor:
Look in the name of exposure not all things should be accepted. Must it be acceptable to us because all westerners are doing it, pls what is bad is bad...shikena

so are these village women also westerners? no bra. no nothing. just wrapper. breastfeeding in public sef.

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Austinmoor:
It is wrong for women to show equality with men by wearing obnoxious dresses, it is not by been seductive with your dressing. Freedom is not about been able to do what you like alone, it also includes putting other people into consideration while you exhibit your freedom. If your husband appreciates you wearing those stuff at home (which i do for my wife) for his exclusive admiration, understand it that going to the street in that same wear sends a wrong signal to people outside who can only look but cant touch....(you will only cause them to burn for desire) no wonder cases of molestation and intimate assault is sky high in the recent times. Plssss ''bi ko nu'' ''e jo'' ''du Allah' ''i beg'' do not show your equal audacity with men (because you don't want to be dictated to) by doing what can cause public unrest......you cant imagine wetin your 'yansh' dey cause for outside. We are at the receiving end, we can tell the story better. Assert your equality with men in other ways like sharing domestic finance equally, prepare roaster for cooking, sweeping, watching of your undies, taking kids to school etc. Goodluck

what's so complicated about "you can look but you cannot touch"?

r[size=1pt].[/size]ape and se[size=1pt].[/size]xual assault rates are high because our culture have no respect for women.
For you to portray r[size=1pt].[/size]apists as victim of temptation shows that you probably have little respect for women. So if a woman is r[size=1pt].[/size]aped, it is her fault for tempting the ra[size=1pt].[/size]pist. RUBBISH.
So armed robbers are also victims of temptation too right? If you have ever been attacked by an armed robber or thief, it is your fault for tempting them with your wealth?

Imagine if people (strangers) started dictating to you what you should do with your money, what kind of house you can buy, what kind of clothes you can wear, whether or not you can buy a car, whether or not you can own a computer or cell phone, whether or not you can eat at restaurants etc won't you feel that your freedom is being restrained? and if you do get attacked by an armed robber or God forbid anything happens, how would you feel if nobody sympathized and instead they tell you that it is your fault for driving a car instead of trekking to work or using a phone in public etc. and they praise the thief for teaching you a lesson.

you say you are on the "receiving end" but pls learn to control yourself. simple. Primal urges to steal, cheat, ra[size=1pt].[/size]pe, kill are barbaric. Control it instead of shifting blame to the victims of your barbaric attack. I know we have a useless police force and in fact, the police r d worst but still, we should all learn to be responsible citizens and promote a better attitude in society.


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was there feminism when women & children were the first to get off titanic as far back as 1912? yet you are talking bullshyte that women were unable to speak for themselves. do you know how many men(geniuses) that perished in the sea so that women/kids could be saved? women voted in wyoming as far back as 1869 - the word feminism wasn't even coined yet so tape it shut, your history knowledge sucks.

dumb dumb dumb of you. pls do tell me how many men... oops I mean geniuses perished to save the imb.ecile women and children. rubbish
Do you actually believe that any woman in her right mind will want to go back to live in 1912? Titanic ko, Noah's ark ni.
Women and children are actually MORE likely to die on sinking ships.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/forget-titanic-women-and-children-rarely-first-off-sinking-ships/
This is one of the befuddling things about sexism (and even racism) is this use of the rare events (sometimes myths) to justify the status quo. It's like reading narratives of the "benevolent slave master" over again.


feminism has existed since the beginning of time. Just because a word wasn't coined doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The aspect of women's rights related to voting was called "women's suffrage" and it began as far back as 1700s in modern history. France was where it originated after the french revolution that declared that all men were equal (obviously excluding women).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Woman_and_the_Female_Citizen
In the USA, it began around 1840 and it was tied to the slave abolition movement which is interesting because in the 60s, the civil rights movement and feminist movement also happened at the same time. Of course, there were also many men who were sympathetic to women's rights movement. In fact, it is a necessity. At the end of the day it's a mindset issue. The politics is the easy part. The psychology and sexist mindset is the hardest part to change and most destructive.

yes, your sexist mindset stinks.

One physician explained the problem in Popular Science Monthly in 1905: An educated woman developed a “self-assertive, independent character” that made it “impossible to love, honor and obey” as a real wife should. He warned that as more middle-class women attended college, middle-class men would look to the lower classes to find uneducated wives....A psychologist at the University of Texas, and his colleagues found that in 1956, education and intelligence were together ranked 11th among the things men sought in a mate. Much more important to them was finding a good cook and housekeeper who was refined, neat and had a pleasing disposition. By 1967, education and intelligence had moved up only one place, to No. 10, on men’s wish lists.....By 1996, intelligence and education had moved up to No. 5 on men’s ranking of desirable qualities in a mate. The desire for a good cook and housekeeper had dropped to 14th place, near the bottom of the 18-point scale. The sociologist Christine B. Whelan reports that by 2008, men’s interest in a woman’s education and intelligence had risen to No. 4, just after mutual attraction, dependable character and emotional stability.


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seems like someone on this thread is stuck in 1956.

coogar:
this is how financial times(FT) defined the career woman.... A woman who believes that her career is more important than finding a husband or having children.

can you provide a link? because that's the dumbest thing I've heard, if I ever heard one.
So, how then do you define a career man?
rubbish.

A career woman is a woman who has a career. period.

coogar:
then you should provide an empirical evidence that backs this claim. this is a public forum - you cannot just throw conjectures in the air & expect people to swallow it line hook & sinker. besides being more likely to marry is different from being more likely to be happy in the marriage. what is the divorce rate of career women? if it's high,

here you go:
they are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced. The statistics are reversed. The New York Times article is very eye-opening because it show that a lot of the drawbacks for career/educated women simply came from sexist views held by men. in the 50s and 60s, educated and career women WERE less likely to get married but in recent times, men no longer are threatened by successful and educated women. They are now starting to see women in equal terms rather than as subordinates. Although we still have a ways to go.ex maternity leave policies etc. I am speaking for the USA. not naija LOL

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/opinion/sunday/marriage-suits-educated-women.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.today.com/money/marriage-luxury-good-class-divide-who-gets-married-divorced-8C11457474

why shouldn't men avoid them?

because all men aren't the same. what TYPE of man are you talking about?

For example, to me, I believe that men with inflated egos should avoid career women (or educated women, PERIOD). Men who were raised to believe that women should be subordinate or inferior to men should not even think about it.
On the other hand, a man who was raised in a family or culture that sees women as equally important and capable of being a source of financial income will have no problem.

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“The doctor used to marry the nurse. Today, the doctor marries the doctor,”
http://www.today.com/money/marriage-luxury-good-class-divide-who-gets-married-divorced-8C11457474

Not true at all.

Toolz looks best. Tiwa's pose is very awkward. She should have placed one hand on her waist like d rest.

Austinmoor:
Jeans, leggings, jeggings are wears for different people and different situations. How can you absolve a married woman of promiscuity when she wears a skinny, ''butty showing'' and ''see through'' nonsense jeggings on already offensive, protruding and twerking booty and topping it with a skimpy top. Tell me, what was on her mind when she left home....feeling Hot, seduction, etc Look in the name of exposure not all things should be accepted. Must it be acceptable to us because all westerners are doing it, pls what is bad is bad...shikena

the difference is that western countries see women as equal adults.
Women aren't children (or slaves for that matter) that men should be imposing rules on their clothing, behavior, speech and whatnot.
The worst are all these muslim countries where women aren't even allowed to walk in the street by themselves. are they children?

Andyblaze:
yes we do, but then we lower it just like people lower their lamp.

Its not always hot. Infact it rained today but then Old G.R.A in Rivers state never experiences power outtage so as long as theres power, the a.c gotta be on. We wear sweaters indoors with gloves when it gets too cold

well, that's dumb. you turn on AC and wear sweaters and glove inside d house. hahahah What haven't I heard today.

anyways, is your daughter overweight?

maybe if Naija adopt laws that are strict on sexu.al harassment, then there will be less problem.
you can look, but you can't touch. simple as that.
what next? women will be forced to start wearing burqa? all because men are entitled to whatever they want? and therefore it's OK for them to act like animals towards women? a victim should be blamed for harassment because she is too "sexy"?


trust me, there is a reason why feminism exists.

When you guys sag showing your dirty boxers. We look and take our eyes away. You should do the same

gbam! Lol

Sweden Moves to Extend Mandatory Paternity Leave

Sweden's paternity-leave policy is inarguably the best in the world, with men given up to 240 days of government-paid time off to care for their newborns — and now politicians are looking to make it even more generous. Currently, fathers are required to at least two months off after the birth of a child, and now it's being argued that this should be extended to a minimum of three months to accommodate "the fathers of today…that take an ever increasing responsibility for home and family,"according to Folkpartiet party member Lisbet Enbjerde.

Sweden is noted as being the most feminist country on the globe, which has earned it both praise (as being a great place for women to live) and condemnation (as being a horrible place to rape someone, as if there were a good place). The paternity benefits—enacted in 1974—were initially part of the country's proactive approach to encouraging women to join the workforce, but have since come to reflect Sweden's philosophical emphasis on gender equality. Fathers aren't leaving work simply to relieve mothers' burdens, but rather to bond with their children and experience parenting in a way that only 50 years ago was socially unacceptable for men.

The result is that fathers gain quality time with their kids as well as a better understanding of traditional motherhood, perhaps more than other men in the world, as the Wall Street Journal reports. Jim Butcher, for instance, recently took a six-month leave as an executive at Spotify. He imagined his paternity leave to be a mini-vacation in which he'd spend the time working on his screenplay and going to the park with his daughter. He soon discovered that fantasy was far from the life of a full-time parent.

"I'd be lucky to have 30 minutes for myself a day. The rest was just endless cleaning, feeding, changing and picking up." He says that two weeks into it, he wondered if he was going to last the entire leave, "but I'm happy I did it and could bond with my daughter."

That kind of empathy undoubtedly only serves to strengthen a family. Perhaps Sweden has it right.

http://jezebel.com/5930842/sweden-moves-to-extend-mandatory-paternity-leave

coogar:

you cease to be a career woman the moment you take 3-5 years out of your time to nurture your kids.
a career woman is not interested in making children. their career is more important than having kids here & there and that is who coogar said all men should avoid.
bukatyne......booooooooooo!

This is completely FALSE.
First of all, a career woman's interest in kids is not any less than an career man's interest in kids. If as a man, your career is more important to you than starting a family, yes, there are women who feel the same way, and rightfully so.
If as a career man, you are still interested in having a family, the yes, there are also plenty of women who feel the same way, and rightfully so.

second of all, you are not a woman so you do not even qualify to be arguing about what women want or what they should want.
You sound like those republican pundits when they start blabbering about women and dictating on how women should live, act and behave etc. Men assuming arrogant expertise in female anatomy and whatnot.

and lastly, A woman's career is setback by taking time off but she can definitely continue her career. the main reason women have a hard time with careers is due to the fact that the workplace is sexist. For example, USA is one of the few countries in the world that DOES NOT offer paid maternity leave. So, many women who want careers have to delay childbirth, suffer from setback and lower wages partially due to the fact that they took time off to raise children and therefore they fall behind in their careers.

In Northern Europe, the workplace is much accommodating and women have less problems with this. In fact, even the men in a country like Sweden have MANDATORY paternity leave because the society expects the men to partake in the raising of the child. They don't see child rearing as being an exclusively woman's job. Then again, northern European countries like Denmark and Iceland also have female prime ministers. Northern Europe is the most progressive region in the world. Even the educational attainment of their children in a country like Iceland blows the rest of the western world out of the water.

Your line of thought -the s.tupid idea that the sole purpose of a woman's existence is to produce and rear children is the same that caused girls and women to be excluded from schooling and education for centuries. That kept women uneducated and dependent, unable to vote, unable to speak for themselves (hence the plethora of men claiming expertise on women's lives and issues).
Yes, educated/career women are likely to have fewer children (the more educated a society is, the lower the birth rate). I don't see that as a bad thing. There are plenty enough illiterate baby daddys and baby mamas in the USA alone anyway. Don't come on here dictating to us what we are/should be interested in or not interested in.

Like I said, in the USA (where I live) career women are actually MORE likely to be married than their mates. The reverse was the case in the 50s and 60s when the "domesticated woman" was being promoted. but pls, this is 2013 (almost 2014). get with the times!

@OP, something you should realize is that many of those men will even sleep with a goat or sheep if there wasn't an alternative. They are desperate and h.orny, abeg.

If your towel is always very dirty after you shower, it means that you are showering improperly. The dirt is mostly dead skin cells that you did not properly wash off


stop using this:
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and start using this:
[img]http://paulmitchellgold.files./2012/02/dettol-liquid.jpg?w=180&h=180[/img]

It is a bit harsher, but your body will stay clean and your towel won't be as dirty.
Also make sure to air dry your towel. Moist places are a haven for bacteria.

Honestly though. It is not good for your body to be too clean. A little bit of dirt dead skin cells can be good for you. I use a regular soap.not too gentle,not too harsh.I wash my towel every month.

they are perfect for each other
Bisoye Obasanjo weds Chigozie Nwenyi

happy married life

coogar:

there are grants, financial aid & scholarships for students who want to go to ivy league schools. the emphasis is more on the i brilliance of the children than the pockets of their parents.

for instance, 60% of the kids in havard are on financial aid. contrary to the nonsense you typed up there, majority of the students @ havard cannot afford paying their fees from the pockets of their 2 working parents.

kandiikane - another myth busted!!!

but you didn't answer the question. financial aid or not, survey all those students and overwhelming majority of them come from families with two working parents. In fact,you are more likely to find children from single (working) mom household than to find kids of stay at home moms at ivy league schools.

your idea that children raised by stay at home moms are somehow superior is very stupid.
I associate stay at home moms with either the ultra-wealthy or the hillybilly red-neck, ultra conservative christian whites who still believe that the world is flat and evolution is heresy. These aren't d folks you will find in d ivy league anyway.
those are the people I associate stay-at-home moms with. The rest are stay at home not by choice (lost their job, recently gave birth etc).

and talkless of blacks or africans abroad. I have NEVER meet a stay-at-home mom of black or african origin. unless she just came from Africa and can't yet find a job. Even children of African parents can feel the suffocation on their independence talk-less of women who are full grown adults to have to live that way and be dependent on their husbands. it will drive one crazy. I can imagine.
ex.I can never imagine my mom as a stay-at-home mother knowing my dad's personality. I can never be a financially dependent stay at home mother either.at least not to an african husband.unless he has a very gentle personality. I'd rather be a single mother than live like that becuase it seems to me like a recipe for disaster (potential for domestic abuse, deprivation etc)
Career leads to financial independence. truth to be told. and women should definitely have their careers. Just don't have a lot of kids/use family planning.

I personally refuse to be that woman begging my husband for money to buy menstrual pads...

at least 50% of college educated students in USA are women. tell me these women plan to stay at home and have zero professional ambitions. hahaha you got jokes.