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Debaiz:
When they all score 90 goals in a year, they should come and talk.

When they score in 21consecutive games, against every team in the league, they should come and talk.

Until then, Messi is the GOAT

Those are individual performance not about winning trophy.

How many standing ovations did he get ,,,, R9 , R10 got it from rivals always

Jokerman:
Lol... Stop wasting your time bro... The same Messi was selected amongst football best ever team that same year.... ... Just accept Pele as the goat

I'm going to create a topic that shows why Pele is the football goat.. Others come 2nd even Maradona

Am here jare

Jokerman:
Oga everyone knows Messi is great... Even in Messi best years, when he scored 91 calendars goals in a year (2nd highest ever), Pele was still selected as the best player of the century in 2013

No matter what you type or think

Pele
Maradona

Will always be ahead of any player

Please add R9

DanXplore:
Lol in what universe is player of the century better than as many ballon d'or? Remember that Pelle played in the era where football was less sophisticated unlike Messi.

Also, I think it is more ideal to consider a player's individual performance than collective. No matter how good a player is, if you have very useless defenders who concede goals all the time, you will not go far in footbal and this could be illustrated well with the match Barca played against Liverpool in the most recent UEFA

Don't forget that Messi won gold for his country at the junior level and so presuming that he is not GOAT because he has not won a thing for his country is out of place. Also, Messi has taken his country to world cup finals atleast twice or even more. All the key playmakings and goals where made by him. What more do you want from Messi? Should Messi attack, midfield, defend and keep goals simultaneously?

Messi won nothing for senior team, nothing

DanXplore:
Lol in what universe is player of the century better than as many ballon d'or? Remember that Pelle played in the era where football was less sophisticated unlike Messi.

Also, I think it is more ideal to consider a player's individual performance than collective. No matter how good a player is, if you have very useless defenders who concede goals all the time, you will not go far in footbal and this could be illustrated well with the match Barca played against Liverpool in the most recent UEFA

Don't forget that Messi won gold for his country at the junior level and so presuming that he is not GOAT because he has not won a thing for his country is out of place. Also, Messi has taken his country to world cup finals atleast twice or even more. All the key playmakings and goals where made by him. What more do you want from Messi? Should Messi attack, midfield, defend and keep goals simultaneously?

Messi can't keep the ball pele kicked,

Jokerman:
Ogbeni...

Pele's player of the century award is bigger than 100 ballondors

Pele a three time World Cup winner

Pele 1260 goals to his name

People like saying rubbish, is there any trophy bigger than WC, those guy only conquered European football not world, when you don win the most prestigious of the trophy you can't be called goat.
God bless you my brother , children watch the gane this days

DanXplore:
The bolded was to buttress his greatness in that context.

In statistics, consistency is being defined when an outcome occurs severally. Ronaldo, like Messi, has won Bd'or severally making them far better than the rest above and so the arguement shoud be between Messi and CR7.

"Pity votes" is the singular line of defence most Messi-Antagonists use against him. Are you saying Ronaldo has not been a beneficiary of "pity votes"? What was so outstanding about CR7 last season that made him to be nominated alongside VVD and Leo for Ballon d'or and Fifa men's respectively?

He broke another record in his new team, he won nationals league

Icon79:
Mine:

1. GOAT: Lionel "Leo" Messi - one and only!

2. Legends: Zinedine Zidane, Paolo Maldini, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo de Lima, Johan Cruyff, Carles Puyol, George Weah Opong, and Diego Maradona

3. Great: Gianluigi Buffon, Rivaldo, Franco Baresi, Roger Miller, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Abedi Pele, Neymar Jr, Austin Jay Jay Okocha, Samuel Eto'o, and Roberto Carlos

4. Good: Sergio Aguero, Didier Drogba, Virgil van Dijk, Robin van Persie, Kanu Nwankwo, Theophile Abega, and Kylian Mbappe

5. Underrated: Ngolo Kante, Yaya Toure, Oman Biyik, Sunday Oliseh, and Wilfred Ndidi

6. Overrated: Antoine Griezmann, Mesut Ozil, Gareth Bale, Michele Platini, Cesc Fabregas, Sergio Busquets, Karim Benzema, and Cristiano Ronaldo

Lolzzzz, if you rate messi over R9 , you still very young

dayowunmi:
Just hear yourself talk bro. Puskas nomination is an achievement? Nominated but never won for that matter! Fifa best player is an award issued based on votes. Votes can be political. Both Ronaldo and Messi have both won Balon'dors which were highly underservered cos its easier for them to get pity votes due to their fame.

I love this comment, "political " i can remember 2010 very well the most undeserving of the award, that year was just too obvious.
No player i watch is better than R9 he destroyed football.

DanXplore:

Real footballers know that Messi is the goat. As Zlatan Ibrahimovic would say, " Ronaldo is a trained product".

@bolded. To start with, they have not won Ballon d'or and Fifa men's player award as much as Messi, neither has their goals been nominated for puskas as much as Messi.

With all his ballon d'or no copa, no wc ... he won nothing for national team and you calles him goat, children watching the beatiful game these days, social media over hyping players too.

ElasticStone:
Ronaldo fanboy spotted.

M10 and cr7 can never be Goat, they never won the games biggest and most respected trophy, with all their records they never broke a single record in the most prestigious tournament in the game .... WC. The can never be goat, they are only European football goats.

Teeklef:
What do you mean by comfort? After series of complaints you guys lodge then. He can't do without deco, belleti, Ronaldinho, etoo, xavi, Iniesta. Pls sir, where are those players today, are they still in Barcelona?. Tell ur girlfriend to test another guy for you to know she's good in za other room.... Period.

Cant win ucl without those guys.

Slawormir:
Efcc are not real niggarrrz

Effcc go just dey bust niggarrrs anyhow
And the mumu Nigeria media go dey put our matter online anyhow
See ehnnnnn
Na those outside country run street pass
But you nor dey see their matter for internet
See ehnnnnnn na Brazilian, Americans and Chinese do these matter pass

Na Brazilian guy teach me work, give me tools and format
Na him advice me to buy a MacBook Pro
He teach me how to use dynamic and static IP( internet protocol)

Even my aza ehnnnn na white American guy get am
And the guy dey pick am steadily
Even my Chinese guy na im add me join group chat for WeChat make i dey bomb steadily

Nawa ooo, and your children will be proud of this

Slawormir:
All of them combined are bunch of untalented Moda fuckkking niggarrrs and bitches
Minus Jesse jags. Only Jesse jags is the real niggarrr

Imagine all these untalented Moda fuckkking niggarrrs dare the real niggarrr called Eminem then it will be a tragedy

The real niggarrrs are
Eminem
Future
Drake
Lil Uzi vert
J Cole
Kendrick Lamar
Migos
Travis Scott
21 savage
Young thug
Kanye West
Jesse jags
Nas
Nicky Minaj
The game
Please don't quote me if you are not a real niggarrr and if you don't smoke weed while listening to rap music

Mumu,

eni4real:
Madrid buys players every time.. They spend a lot..

Man united can never have the same buying culture of Madrid..

How many Ballon d'or finalist has Man united bought..

But Madrid will always look at the best goalkeeper in the world cup, the best playerin the world cup, the highest goal scorer in the world cup, the best player in the EPL etc..

They buy the best players all the time..

And they sack coach all the time.. You must perform quick!!!
No chilling at all

Man united believed so much in Fergie because of the transformation he has brought to Man United team when he resumed in late 80's but the truth is 2 UCL trophy and 2 Runner up(2009& 2011), not bad at all...

Post-Fergie era is showing us how big that shoe is!!!

How many coaches did manu give chances up to 4 ke 3 years to build the team .... how many, fergie spent over four years before he could win any trophy for manu, if fergie starts coaching this era he would have been sacked after a season, barca are still even gentle ,,,, madrid werey team that valverde they would have sacked immediately after Anfield saga.... now teams dont chill, Madrid were able to play together when they were becoming a team, then cr7 , kaka, when some of them started playing for a longtime together they started getting to know ones play well thats when madrid was able to come victorious on ucl in recent times. Galacticos era they didn't play together for long , figo fell out owen fell out, r9 out so ...becks too ,, and those guys aint hungry for success again , they don't even go for training, rc3 said he has more time with r9 than his wifey, bros thats wat ,, flexing

eni4real:
He was still great in 2002...
Injury is part of the sport tho..
Player emphasize on diet, fitness and luck a lot..

Ronaldo could not get his weight controlled

190 pounds in 2002
250+ pounds in 2006, no pro footballer should be able to run with such a weight!!

If only he did not get those health issues or injuries, may be we will be more objective about his career especially his club careers!!

Okay

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Slawormir:
I be like programming o
Na im make me chose computer science

But when Uniben subject us to old programming language like Pascal and Fortran ehnnnnn
I swear i nor like that course again

Lolzzzz i did fortran 95 in school 2006 , i studied chemical engineering,,,, imagine fortran 95 in 2006 , OAU oooo.

eni4real:
I think he had health issues too!!
Gaining a lot of weight..

He played 2002 World cup with 190 pounds weight!! That is 86Kg + weight

They call it hypothyroidism!!

Marital issues and all that ,

eni4real:
I think he had health issues too!!
Gaining a lot of weight..

He played 2002 World cup with 190 pounds weight!! That is 86Kg + weight

They call it hypothyroidism!!

Bros make we no talk about him after how many years of injury he still played well, but has lost his explosiveness cus of over weight.... the guy too much i beg.

eni4real:
Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Van Der Saar, Tevez, Roy Keane, Evra were his teammates in Man united.... He did not play for Leicester!!!! C'mon!!
And the Greatest Coach of all time was his Coach, he never had the experience of Moyes and Van Gaal as his manager...
He played for a team that has won a treble and generally most EPL trophies before 2003 when he was signed!!

Bros am sorry ,,, i dont take fergie as the best ooo, thats just me , English fa favoured him thats why he low trophies outside England. Thats me oooo. Cus i bliv he spent a lot of years at manu winning only 2 ucl... thats too small for me cus he had a team , team ! Those boys have been playing since childhood, madrid won three in three 6 years , 98,2000, 2002.... since morinho came he subdued his power breaking records with highest points...
He is a potential thats why they got him

eni4real:
Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Van Der Saar, Tevez, Roy Keane, Evra were his teammates in Man united.... He did not play for Leicester!!!! C'mon!!
And the Greatest Coach of all time was his Coach, he never had the experience of Moyes and Van Gaal as his manager...
He played for a team that has won a treble and generally most EPL trophies before 2003 when he was signed!!

Bros am sorry ,,, i dont take fergie as the best ooo, thats just me , English fa favoured him thats why he low trophies outside England. Thats me oooo. Cus i bliv he spent a lot of years at manu winning only 2 ucl... thats too small for me cus he had a team , team ! Those boys have been playing since childhood, madrid won three in three 6 years , 98,2000, 2002.... since morinho came he subdued his power breaking records with highest points...

eni4real:
Wow!! I am digesting this paragraph by paragraph..

Eto'o: "Ronaldo9, Cristiano and Messi are the 3 players that define modern football"

Mourinho: " The only player that is unplayable to me is Ronaldo Fenomeno, his pace, agility and control of the ball is the best I've ever seen.. Even though Messi and Cristiano are at the top for many years as the best, what Ronaldo9 did with the ball at 19, 20 ; we will never see anyone to do it again considering the hardness of the defense in his era... "

Fair enough!

Thats it , i know if i took my time ,,,, you will understand what am saying. I dont compare any player with R9 , as arrogant as zlatan is he respected R9 so much , cus he was his idol, benzema only lost focus , he would have been better than cr7 but he lost focus so ... early cus he cane to madrid. I fear most times what would have happened if R9 doesn't have injuries , he will turn football useless, the guy too sabi , he will bully and dribble you ,,, he uselesses keepers anyhow , dont just lets talk about him.... he was able to be remembered cus he made marks at early age .... if not ... we would only remember that there would have been a boy. Every player are in the class of their own, he played when team coaches takes defense too serious, there was more focus on defense, people love solid defense then, very few focuses more on attacking football. They couldn't bully him like they do figo, raul .... you know then 9 are not so big , just flexible.... see my brother just watch his clips well that guy na werey.... am telling you, last season messi had one injury like that it was like he broke his arm , he fell on it somehow, if it were then he might go several months, advancement in medicine helped this modern players , its just that they dont really love the game , just money...
Then they love defenseso much that defenders are so popular then .... how many defenders are popular now.

eni4real:
Watch the highlight again..
It was a corner...
It is an individual brilliance of header...

If Cristiano manage to do that at that stage, people will say: "Wow" "He hung himself in the air for 3 secs before he head the ball in" "Neuer could not do anything about it" Bla bla!!
Puyol delivered Spain , not necessarily by avoiding dribbling between a high defense line

Leo's goal against Manchester ucl final, he scored a header, but barca fans started sugar coating like the header was so special they said this about staying in air for some seconds blah blah , I was like noding na noding ooo , abi. We are fans , but truth is am not the bias fan type. I dont over hype, anyday anytime i cant pick messi over ronaldo or ronaldo over messi. They are both good in anyteam. Messi had advantage of having small bodyframe to make it so easy to enter into defense, cr7 has big body including height to made heading easy for him. Game pattern messi can play from position 10 to 9,8, and 7 , its easier for him cause his legs is close to the ball and he got creative mind, he wont really do well in 11 cus he doesn't really like crossing the ball like cutting in most times, and that wont be easier for that side cus if he cuts in the ball won't stay on his strong foot, cr7 plays 7 8 ,9,11 . But can from middle field cus he doesn't really site players well like leo does, messi creativity is more here. But he used both foot well. If i contd this place will be filled up. I never hate laliga right from the day i started loving football, have always loved barca, am a madrid fan, i so much love ronaldinho,,,, Jesus i love him so much,,,, if you watch him closely he loves football, he smiles or wants to cry .... you will know he loves the game .... thats true passion,,,,, he is raw i love watching him , why wont i watch barca match.... fans made me hate the team till now and some players in the team,,,, racism lives inside them. Messi , have been watching him for a very longtime, he is crazy footballer , crazy i lost a friend some years ago b4 the boy came to limelight i told him this messi , will win a lot of ballon d'or. I told him his pattern of play is so .... different he rarely loose possession of the ball i told him players like that are always very dangerous ,,, players always being so close to the ball like robben, he manages time well, passes when needed , dribbles when needed , shots when needed, he understands the game well. I dont hate him at all he plays better football compared to cr7 . R9 was only more dangerous than he his infront of the ball cus of power pace and dribble skills. I will choose messi over cr7 somehow if am to choose. But mentally, i have never seen any player or read about them being strong mentally than cr7, that guy is mentally strong, chai

eni4real:
Which club is fond of buying best players in the world every season?? Real Madrid...

No wonder their UCL domination coincide with Purchase of Bale, Casemiro and other guys...

Or how else would you explain the team inability to win the UCL from 2009-2013 despite having Cristiano??

Everyone needs a hand to hold, to have a reason not to break...

I respects player that will destroy major leagues not one club man oh sorry one shirt man

eni4real:
Which club is fond of buying best players in the world every season?? Real Madrid...

No wonder their UCL domination coincide with Purchase of Bale, Casemiro and other guys...

Or how else would you explain the team inability to win the UCL from 2009-2013 despite having Cristiano??

Everyone needs a hand to hold, to have a reason not to break...

How many ucl did the galaticos won, how many laliga did they win
I can never say cr7 is the goat , never same with messi , even cr7 edges him with nations league and Europe, non is goat. If cr7 win the wc , he is , even if messi wins wc he still need a copa, after then i will say he his. Thank God fifa never gave him award of the goat, its you fans, but they have given players of the century and millennium,,,, if you're going to be a goat win every trophy then break all records. I bet messi cant do half ,,, case closed bra, he should win every trophy, listen a time will come a player will play in all major league win them, win wc , win continental. Its coming and i bliv it should be from brazil or an Argentine

eni4real:
No Xavi and Iniesta again yet, he was still involved in 74 out of 96 goals..

Let's check the last Monday together!!

Who won the best? Messi

Who came 2nd?? VVD

Who came 3rd?? Cristiano

Last year where was he?
This year champions league awards where was he ?
Ballon d'or for this year i dont know where he will be , and making mouths like ....
He was no where last year , no where last two years, this won fifa best lost out in ucl awards , am sure if it was cr7 that won fifa best and messi won ballon d'or you will say ballon d'or bigger than fifa best, if not for that fifa is stupid and bias , he can win ballon d'or not fifa best. He can win best in ucl not fifa best , cus VVD should win fifa best cus he played well for club and country, he might be second in ballon d'or or win , he might be 2nd in ucl awards or win it , cr7 is good at third for all of them.
I have another question, which is bigger fifa best or ballon d'or? If you need Google to tell me this then i dont need argue with you again....

eni4real:
Messi never played with Ballon d'or winners as Argentina teammates!!!

Infact R9 was spoilt with teammates option!!! No wonder he achieved so much with the national team!!

National team achievement is what makes him such a legend.. Club wise, it was a very average achievement compared to his talent... Too much partying affected him in the foreign land, I guess!!

Best LB in history, best RB in history as your teammates
Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, 3 Ballon d'or winners..

He should win 4 World cup trophies sef... He didn't maximize his talent and didn't take full advantage of his excellent teammates..

Just 2002 WC trophy ..Mtcheeeeeew!

Then your cruyff should have then, france should have in 2002 then ,
Bros 2006 wc brazil should have then, pele did not win every wc he played, Germany won 2014, italy 2006, spain 2010, how many ballon d'or players played in their team, but they won wc, it shows messi is so useless, france 98, how ballon d'or players, you dont need them b4 you win the trophy, france 2018, no ballon d'or players they won again, you just saying trash, messi cant win Copa, just copa, how many ballon d'or players did cr7 played with he won Europe still, what did messi won with national team,,,,, copa he can't not to talk of wc, he played in arguably the best team in club football, he couldn't win back to ucl only local league which madrid did with most of cr7 help back to back to back... where is Madrid now? Messi only win ucl with xavi and iniesta ,

eni4real:
But Puyol scored the only goal that make Spain beat the Germany in the semi final.. He made them qualify for the final.. He was not just avoiding dribbling ..
You want to equate Pique with Puyol?? Seriously??

Like he was not part of the spanish team

eni4real:
Says who??
Nobody has ever said that..

The only time Messi seems to be carrying Barcelona is during Valverde clueless era...

Messi has always been the best player in Barcelona but he was not the only one.. There was Xavi, Iniesta, who are also up there with him..

74 goals out of 96!! Incredible!!

He should have been scoring 74 every season with xavi and iniesta

eni4real:
Messi never played with Ballon d'or winners as Argentina teammates!!!

Infact R9 was spoilt with teammates option!!! No wonder he achieved so much with the national team!!

National team achievement is what makes him such a legend.. Club wise, it was a very average achievement compared to his talent... Too much partying affected him in the foreign land, I guess!!

Best LB in history, best RB in history as your teammates
Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, 3 Ballon d'or winners..

He should win 4 World cup trophies sef... He didn't maximize his talent and didn't take full advantage of his excellent teammates..

Just 2002 WC trophy ..Mtcheeeeeew!

Messi should have been winning ucl every season cus he played in the best team ....

eni4real:
So because Maradona and Thomas Muller won 1 world cup each, they are of the same worth right??
Are you saying Griezmann is better than Messi because he won a World Cup??
Are you saying Torres is better than Puskas because he won 1 won cup+ 2 Euros??

Are you saying Pogba is far better than Modric because he win the World cup??

Maradona won a World Cup with Argentina , yes!!
But when he was heavily marked in the final, Valdano, Buruchaga and Brown scored to delivered the trophy..

He did not singlehandly win the trophy..

Maradona won the World cup, so is Griezmann.. I don't think we should overemphasize this so called achievement..

No UCL tho...


About the Ballon d'or, there is a Ranking each year..

George Weah was ranked 1st in '95, #2 in ' 96

Eto'o was ranked 3rd in 2005

Salah ranked 3rd in 2018

Salah and Mane ranked 4th and 5th respectively in FIFA best player award...

If all these awards and ranking do not exist, World cup lovers like you would probably say Muller is a better player than Eto'o would ever be because he won a World Cup..

But Ballon d'or ranking and awards really separate Men from boys!!!

Football is a team sport, trophies are won by the team... No single player can win a World Cup by himself... Nobody can do that!!!

But messi can ucl all alone bah