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You still haven't provided the link Kafrican

Kafrican:
Economic advantage? You mean most Somali refugees get free aid, withought having to work. Is that what you mean by economic advantage?

Nope, the refugees in Eastleigh are making large businnesses and preventing you guys from getting ripped off by the Indians I hear.

Say thank you

Kafrican:
It was done in Kenya, I even remember watching it live on Tv..... Your Government and Parliament was run from Nairibi,Kenya for sometime before bieng relocated to Mogadishu

Which parliament, don't make up stories, the first one was in Mogadishu Somalia

muafrika:
Population,
Kenyan Somalis - 1 million
Other Kenyans - 39 mill.
Kenya is a middle income country.
You admitted, Somalis are wanderers - they inhabit the most desolate part of Kenya, and Kenyan Somalis also have their clan wars. They are the least educated tribe, highest infant/maternal motarlity, etc. They arent doing as good as you assume.

The legal refugees are doing a lot better than most kenyans and have started large businesses, unlike you I can provide proof and i do not 'assume'things. I'll be back soon

muafrika:
I said we pay them? We just use them.

Anywho, cowardice is letting crooks run amock in your country for 24 years while seeking refugee status in every country instead of putting your house in order, and still thinking you are at any form of advantage over people who are practically sustaining you.

Maakhir:
BTW is this true? cheesy

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/KDF-funds-Al-Shabaab-through-illegal-charcoal-trade/-/1950946/2399090/-/format/xhtml/-/1yw8xz/-/index.html

Cause if it is then I'll be severely disappointed that all your arguments have been based on one big fat lie tongue
Haven't you been listening? We are the country that just put the ICC to public shame and humiliation. Why does our relationship with these people surprise you? We play politics like pros, and in politics, no permanent enemies. Somalia could go places if they learnt that secret.

Yes you did say you paid them


How can you comparee the situation of somali's to the cowardice of your people

those Somali's are refugees a common thing when a country is in civil war.

You don't feed and sustain me and many somali's in Kenya are at a economic advantage over most kenyans

I have to go

I'll be back soon for round two

I'm gonna continue with this ego trip

We are the masters of poetry and linguistics:

http://cnp.nonuniv.ox.ac.uk/pdf/NP_journal_back_issues/Somali_Oral_Poetry_as_a_Vehicle_for_Understanding_MA_Rirash.pdf

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/Hadraawi+Somalias+mild+mannered+fierce+critic+/-/1950774/1965750/-/format/xhtml/-/5crnbj/-/index.html

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=N4_on188WJwC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=Somalis,+the+masters+of+poetry&source=bl&ots=9kGLyCpjQr&sig=3KYMvuxHhFrVrbXmmYuDGRgtsk4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-hm-VPCeLsH_8QX55IHICw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Somalis%2C%20the%20masters%20of%20poetry&f=false

https://afrilingual./category/somali-poetry/


Believe me for those people who do understand somali poetry and phrases will know what I mean.

Someone once said the way to a somali's heart is through poetry

muafrika:
The first Sheikh after the Islamic courts.

You said President and then you switched to the IC,

Please have some grain of dignity!!!

Please!!!!!

Somalis are the warriors of East Africa and don't you forget it

Barbari:
are you somali? why are you talking like a quere?

Warya, Maxaad somali ka agaanta, you said you were a Berber remember

I am somali

muafrika:
I do not know which Kenya you are talking about in reference to your worrior spirit Maakhir. Kenyan Bantus started a campaign of brutality against the British colonizers. your people were collaborators. You served the British as their porters and guides. Somalis never fought the British. Ever. Kenyan Somalis even applied to be classified as Indians so they could get favors from the colonial government(That must have been when you guys stopped being African( Eti Indians, hehe.) That cannot be defined as bravery.

LIAR, Your lie too well



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHbGAe8Zwxo


The first anti-colonial war in Africa and the longest anti-colonial war in East Africa was against somalis.

We were the first to fight the British,

We fought three colonial poweres at the same time and we kicked them out before Kenyans managed to. Somalis were free of colonialist while the Kenyans were still under their influence.




HAHAHAAAAA NO-ONE CAN TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY AFTER THAT STATEMENT




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5pK7B1jfo

http://www.islamicfocus.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1069&Itemid=24

http://www.academia.edu/522932/British_and_Somali_views_of_Muhammad_Abdullah_Hassan_s_jihad_1899-1920



What were kenyans doing while we were fighting
What have kenyans ever done of worth?

muafrika:
We are here to correct your misinformation.

Kenyan cowardice is truly a thing to behold.

Such a magntiude of cowardice has never been seen, it topped the Richter scale charts.

You guys are truly a embarassment to your Ugandan kin, how do two groups of the same people turn out so different, or do you pay the Ugandan Army to do all the fighting for you.

You guys cant even fight for yourself. You yourself admitted that you pay your enemy, Al-Shabaab with money, the same people who killed so many lives in your Westgate mall. Don't you feel any shame, any pity towards those Kenyan lives that were lost.

Shame on you.

muafrika:
They are both our puppets. Dont you remember the first ever election of YOUR president was done in Kenya?

Who, this guy?

Aden Abdullah Osman Daar.


His election was held in Somalia, Mogadishu in fact.

muafrika:
They are both our puppets. Dont you remember the first ever election of YOUR president was done in Kenya?

Which one?

muafrika:
We are in possession of the oil rich territory. Do I have to spoon feed you with even logic?

Haha, nice try

the most oil rich territory in EA itself is Puntland

Your failure to even provide one link says it all

You guys aren't in possession of any oil rich territory in Somalia #Fact.

And we're practically in possession of your oil rich territory, we're gonna landlock you so you can't spread your cowardice to the sea


Tell me, how does it feel to belong to the most cowardly country in Africa, does it make your chest swell with pride?

You guys are a joke

muafrika:
We are the ones in occupation of the territory while your government is restricted to an area the size of a football field. I dont know which is more cowardice...

MorrisMkenya got the point, who is there for the somali government to recruit as all the men are in clan wars

You guys are just fighting a couple of kids and consider yourselves as brave

If you really think you can handle it, go fight the clans and see what happens to your pathetic army, unless you startr paying them too

muafrika:
What do you mean taking, you are running all over the EU filing unsustainable cases and whinning for help. Taking is what we just did in Jubaland.

Your foreign minister is begging the somali government to let go of the case and the somali government is currently winning.

Maybe you should stop paying Al-Shabaab and start paying the Somali government for them to reconsider

muafrika:
What do you mean taking, you are running all over the EU filing unsustainable cases and whinning for help. Taking is what we just did in Jubaland.

Post proof, oh wait, that's right you cant!!!!!! Cause it only happened in your imaginative brain

Oil is a sensitive money making issue. If I told you i'd have to getrid of you(you know) but trust me,

You guy's run away from arguments like cowards, the same way you run away from fights.

Keep paying Al-Shabaab to spare your pathetic existence

I bet Al-Shabaab have been 'losing' to you on purpose.

Do you make these deals so that one little militant group won't whoop your asses and shame you in front of the Western world?

I knew I was right, you guy's are cowards

muafrika:
Haven't you been listening? We are the country that just put the ICC to public shame and humiliation. Why does our relationship with these people surprise you? We play politics like pros, and in politics, no permanent enemies. Somalia could go places if they learnt that secret.

Hahaha

I have to wipe of the tears of laughter

That joke has put me in a good mood

Barbari:
i am neither axum or puntite. I am just Barbari from Bilad Al Barbar!!

'Kay,

I, Maakhir hereby bestow on you the benefit of doubt.

muafrika:
Oil is a sensitive money making issue. If I told you i'd have to getrid of you(you know) but trust me,

First you posted a link that didn't have anything to do with the KDF 'taking' somali oil, now your telling me you'd have to get rid of me

Just admit it, they're not taking any oil and we Somali's happen to be taking your oil fields

Hahahaha don't take me for a fool

muafrika:
And you demonstrate that worrior spirit by blowing yourselves and your brothers up in the street?

Business survy? I doubt because Somali immigrants have not been fairing as well businesswise in the US and EU. Its only in Kenya that you try, all because we let you cut corners. Never mind that Mogadishu is yet to be established as a business capital.

Hahahaha, you let us cut corners, okay I'll post more articles. I can see it's making you mad

This is what a Ethiopian (our mortal enemies) forum has to say on somalis
http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51524&start=20

another link
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1300633

Somalis are becoming a political force in America, particularly Minnesotta

KDF took all our oil? Damn there seems to still be a lot in Somalia, Chinese oil companies are investing in Somaliland, British oul company in Somalia Proper and don't even get me started on Puntland

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1331263&page=3

muafrika:
And you demonstrate that worrior spirit by blowing yourselves and your brothers up in the street?

Business survy? I doubt because Somali immigrants have not been fairing as well businesswise in the US and EU. Its only in Kenya that you try, all because we let you cut corners. Never mind that Mogadishu is yet to be established as a business capital.

I'll continue from warrior spirit

There is something about pastoralist nomads that makes them quite proud and war like, yes. When the British ruled over British East Africa (Kenya) they used to frequently imprison Bantus, but they would only fine Somalis because they came to find out that Somalis had the odd habit of dying in solitary confinement and thus illiciting vengeance from their immediate kin. So to save them the trouble they just started fining Somalis.

I think it stem from the prestige imbued on warriors in nomadic culture, and the fact that military prowess was rewarded. Warfare always had been an important factor in relations with outsiders such as the Ethiopian Christians and the Oromo and even with other Somali clans. The lack of modern weapons, however, prevented the Somalis from successfully resisting the imposition of European colonial rule.

Antagonists in inter-Somali conflicts generally belonged to groups bound by their commitment to pay or receive "diya" (blood money). Because the entire group would be considered responsible for paying diya to compensate for damages inflicted, and would receive diya for its own losses, a war would begin only with the unanimous approval of its likely participants. A meeting of the elders of the warring groups was the usual means of restoring peace. The elders would determine which group was responsible for starting the war and would decide compensation, usually camels, for damages incurred. The group judged responsible for starting the war normally would be the only one fined unless it emerged the victor.
Blood and Bone: The Call of Kinship in Somali Society - I. M. Lewis

THE first thing to understand about the Somalis is that they are not as other men. Richard Burton, the famous Arabist and explorer who trekked across their lands in the 1850s, called the Islamic Somali nomads a ''fierce and turbulent race of republicans''. More pungently, a Ugandan sergeant with the British forces fighting the Mad Mullah went on record as telling his officer: ''Somalis, Bwana, they no good: each man his own sultan (king).''

In other words, they take orders from nobody; and their sense of independence is matched by a supremely uncentralised and fragmented degree of political organisation, a kind of ordered anarchy. The basis of political allegiance is blood kinship, or genealogy. Children learn their ancestors' names by heart back to 20 generations and more. A Somali does not ask another where he is from but whom he is from. Strangers who meet, recite their genealogies until they reach a mutual ancestor the more closely they are related the more readily they unite, transiently, against others: ''Myself against my brother; my brother and I against my cousin; my cousin and I against the outsider.''

Do you want more ??

Muhahahahaha

I'm still deciding whether I should wreak havoc on this thread and derail seeing as you started with us.

BTW is this true?

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/KDF-funds-Al-Shabaab-through-illegal-charcoal-trade/-/1950946/2399090/-/format/xhtml/-/1yw8xz/-/index.html

Cause if it is then I'll be severely disappointed that all your arguments have been based on one big fat lie

Barbari:
Bro she is right about term ''Berber'' being recent before that word people used different variations like Barbar or Barbari or Barbaroi
Which is what somalis and north africans were called in the past. Berber language didnt exist becuz they all spoke somali.

Berber is a corruption of the Barbar which in both ancient egyptian language and somali language ''barba'' means to teach/to write.

After the 1.5 million european slaves where shipped to north africa and the ottoman turks colonized it. It diluted both the identity of the people and the gene pool.

southern arabia,egypt,north africa was filled with somalis who spoke different dialects of the somali language. The migration of asiatics change that.

Somalis look the way they do due to Climate and environment. Somalis live in a desert dry climate just like north africa and southern arabia.
While the rest of africa lives in the jungle with monkeys!

The almost extinction of the somali race is a prime example how you shouldnt mix at all
just like bantu and mogoloid people the somalid race people where big in number in the past.
now only 15million on the blink of exstinction.

I Study history in college so i know what i am talking about.

Barbari, Puntite, Axum pfft whats the difference

muafrika:
Maakhir,
That case is a joke. Thats why we'vd been snubbing those negotiations. We expect that case to be thrown out of the court for being fatally unreasonable.

Who projects their inland bounderies direction into the sea? Though I understand, oil is one of the few important things that will ever come out of Somalia.

As for the oil, ur crazy if you think KDF is in Somalia because we care that you are blowing each other up.

Amina Mohammed is literally begging for the Somali Government to let it go, did you not read the article?


Hehehe, prove that they're taking Somali oil. Every statement needs proof.

muafrika:
Do tell,

"Of all the desiccated, bitter, cruel, sunbeaten wildernesses which
starve and thirst beyond the edges of Africa's luscious, jungled centre,
there cannot be one more Christless than the one which begins at the
northern foot of Mount Kenya and stretches to the foothills of Abyssinia,
and from there to the dried-out glittering tip of Cape Gardafui where the
hot karif winds blow in from where the long sharks race under the thin
blue skin of the ocean. You can never think of those wildernesses without
thinking of daggers and spears, rolling fierce eyes under mops of dusty
black crinkly hair, of mad stubborn camels, rocks too hot to touch, and
blood feuds whose origins cannot be remembered, only honoured in the
stabbing. But of all the races of Africa there cannot be one better to
live among than the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the
vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest; the Somalis."

never saw a Somali who showed any fear of death, which, impressive
though it sounds, carries within it the chill of pitilessness and
ferocity as well. If you have no fear of death you have none for anybody
else's either, but that fearlessness has always been essential to the
Somalis who have had to try and survive hunger, disease and thirst while
prepared to fight and die against their enemies, their fellow Somalis for
pleasure in the blood feud, or the Ethiopians


Gerald Hanley is an old Colonial hand who lived with Somalis. This is from his book Warriors: Life and Death Among the Somalis


We are warriors

We are business savvy
http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51524&start=20
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d4979b30-bf98-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0.html

We are the best, don't make me go on and on because I gladly will

Rafikizolo tell your people to get out of this thread if they're going to derail it

muafrika:
www.somaoilandgas.com/

Kenya hasn't taken any of Somalia's oil, nor will it ever do so in future.

From the link you gave me

Soma Oil & Gas is a private UK company founded in 2013 to pursue oil and gas exploration opportunities in Somalia.

How-ever it seem's that Somalia is currently in the act of taking oil from kenya and it's very shores to make kenya a landlocked country

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Somalia-Kenya-Indian-Ocean-Claim-Territory/-/1950946/2452028/-/format/xhtml/-/fajjmx/-/index.html

Kenya risks losing almost all of its territorial waters in the Indian Ocean if a case filed by Somalia in an international court succeeds.

Alarmed by the grave implications of the move by its war-torn neighbour, the Jubilee Government has reopened negotiations with Somalia over its claim to a huge swathe of maritime territory considered rich in oil deposits and fish, which the ministry of Foreign Affairs says could effectively turn Kenya into a landlocked country.

On Saturday, Cabinet Secretary for Foreign Affairs and Trade Amina Mohammed told the Sunday Nation the matter is so sensitive that a quick meeting to facilitate direct talks between President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Somalia counterpart Hassan Sheikh Mohamud has been arranged in New York.

“We are in discussions with the government of Somalia. It is unfortunate they logged their complaints even as we dialogued over this matter,” Ms Mohammed said, adding that Kenya preferred to settle the matter out of court.

Documents seen by the Sunday Nation show that the way Somalia wants the boundaries redrawn would take away at least five oil blocks and vast oceanic territory where deep sea fishing is conducted.

It would also mean that Kenya might have to access the Indian Ocean only with Somalia’s permission.

In June, an Australian firm prospecting off Kenya’s Indian Ocean coast reported a verified oil find at one of its recently completed wells in the Lamu Basin.

Pancontinental Oil and Gas NL confirmed their completed Sunbird well has intersected an oil column, making it the first-ever discovery of oil off the East African coast.

The dispute could also unsettle regional harmony as the proposal by Somalia could automatically move the Tanzanian island of Pemba to Kenyan territory, according to Foreign Affairs and International Trade Principal Secretary Karanja Kibicho.

“This claim by Somalia could make Kenya a landlocked country which may restrict our access to the high seas. And if the alterations adopt the proposal by Somalia then the island of Pemba will become part of Kenya,” said Dr Kibicho.

If the case filed by Somalia at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is determined in its favour Somalia’s maritime boundary in the Indian Ocean would stretch all the way to Tanzania’s shores.

ECONOMIC INTERESTS

Based in the Dutch city of The Hague, ICJ is the primary judicial branch of the United Nations that mostly determines legal disputes between states.

In its application to the ICJ, the Somali government is making reference to a number of oil fields in the disputed area which Kenya has laid claim to, signalling that the battle may have been precipitated by economic interests.

Ms Mohammed, an experienced diplomat with vast experience in the UN system, said Kenya was keen on preserving good relations with Somalia and is making every effort to find a solution to the impending crisis that could create tension in the region.

She said the New York meeting between President Kenyatta and President Mohamud on the sidelines of the annual UN General Assembly later this month was part of the diplomatic push to sort out the problem.

Her views were reinforced by PS Kibicho: “We have set technical teams who are negotiating. Somalia is considered a friendly state — it is our neighbour, and it will remain so.”

The Sunday Nation has also learnt that even as the diplomatic efforts continued Attorney-General Githu Muigai had scheduled an appointment with the ICJ president to discuss ways of handling the crisis.

“I recently appeared before the Law of the Sea Commission in New York to try to attend to this matter. But we were referred to the ICJ because the case had been filed (by Somalia),” Prof Muigai said.

The AG explained that his office was assembling a team of experts to support Kenya’s case.

“We have already submitted an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) to the UN secretary-general showing the delimitation of our boundaries with Tanzania. We want the same formula adopted in our case with Somalia,” the AG stated.

CASUAL NATURE

Somalia rushed to court over what sources at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed was the casual nature in which the Kenyan government was handling the long-standing matter.

Somalia was apparently angered by Kenya’s decision to skip without notice a negotiation meeting that was to be held between August 25 and 26 this year.

“The Kenyan delegation, without providing either advance notification or subsequent explanation, failed to arrive and, as a consequence, the additional round of meetings that Kenya had requested were not held,” reads part of the application Somalia filed in court.

The Registrar of the ICJ Philippe Couvreur wrote to Kenya on August 28 detailing the case filed by Somalia.

“I have the honour to inform Your Excellency that the Federal Republic of Somalia has today filed in the Registry of the Court an Application, instituting proceedings against the Republic of Kenya concerning a dispute in relation to the establishment of the single maritime boundary between Somalia and Kenya in the India Ocean, delimiting the territorial sea, exclusive economic zone and continental shelf including the continental shelf beyond 200 nautical miles (M),” reads the letter.

Kenya’s ambassador to The Netherlands, Ms Makena Muchiri, forwarded the letter to Ms Mohammed the following day.

APPOINTED AGENT

“Kindly note that the provision of Article 40 of the Rules of the Court that requires Kenya to inform the court of their appointed agent and the address of service at the seat of the court to which all communications can be sent,” Ms Muchiri wrote.

President Mohamud appointed his minister for Foreign Affairs and Investment Promotion Dr Abdirahman Dualeh the country’s agent in the case.

In the application, Dr Dualeh made it clear there were “no special or relevant circumstances that could justify Kenya’s claim” to the territory it occupied.

According to the technical descriptions used in documents, in previous negotiations with Somalia, Kenya insisted that the maritime boundary should run due east along the parallel of latitude from the land boundary terminus while Somalia said the boundary should be drawn to follow an azimuth (angle) of approximately N131.5 degrees east from the land boundary terminus out to the outer limit of the two states’ maritime entitlements.

A source at the Foreign ministry, who did not want to be named, explained this meant Kenya preferred the horizontal line from the land through the sea while Somalia wanted a diagonal dissection that would give it most of the territory.

“The parties have met on numerous occasions to exchange views on the settlement of the dispute over the delimitation of their maritime boundary. None of these negotiation sessions has yielded agreement. Indeed no meaningful progress towards an agreement has been achieved at any of them,” reads part of the application by Somalia.

On oil exploration, Somalia claimed that Kenya had acted unilaterally on the basis of the current boundary to exploit both living and non-living resources on the Somali side.

However, Kenya’s Foreign Affairs PS denied that oil exploration in the disputed area may have sparked off the controversies.

However, Somalia claims in court papers: “Relevant Kenyan petroleum blocs include L-5, L-21, L-22, L-23,L24 and L-25.According to publicly available information Kenya awarded block L-5 to an American company.”

The country also lays claim to oil blocks Kenya awarded to a French company.

“The blocks lie entirely or predominantly on the Somali side of provisional equidistance line,” read part of the court filings.

Sources in the Foreign ministry in Nairobi allege some Western and Gulf oil investors may have convinced the Somali Parliament and top politicians to claim the territory.

Even more intriguing are allegations that some senior Kenyan officials may be colluding with the Somalis by providing them with insider information that strengthens the ICJ case and any diplomatic negotiations.

If Kenyans owned Jubbaland and overall Somalia as you claim, the Kenyan Government would not have to make all these deals with the Somali Government and Kenya would be the one taking our oceans, not the other way around.


If you don't believe me, here's some more links:

http://www.africareview.com/News/Somalia-in-maritime-boundary-row-with-Kenya/-/979180/2452116/-/bsoyosz/-/index.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/kenya-somalia-exploration-idUSL6E8I63IM20120706
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Kenya-and-Somalia-in-bitter-dispute-over-Indian-Ocean-border/-/2558/2499234/-/1311pip/-/index.html

muafrika:
Whats with the preoccupation with beauty. Is that the only source of self worth with some here?

What do you have that is of worth beyond your beautiful women,

Somalis have a lot more than just beauty.

barwaaqo:
You are pulling leg here