Puntite:

I will ignore this stupidity u displayd

macof:


I would love to know your sources for this

Maakhir:


Leave Barwaaqo alone

Her opinion countsis more revelant than anything you have to say

This is coming from the guy who's so desperate to claim arabs that he says they're cushtic

KidStranglehold:


*Sigh*

Read the sources that were already posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Berber_people

The usage of the term "Berber" is a recent one. No primary source during antiquity ever mentions a "Berber people" in the Maghreb. They went by Numidian, Ethiopian, Mauri or just their ethnic name.

Today their all binded together because they speak a common language which was recently named "Berber". This is the same case for "Cushite" and "Bantu".

macof:


I would love to know your sources for this

Maakhir:


Leave Barwaaqo alone

Papyrus of Hunefer
"we came from the beginning of the Nile were God Hapi dwells, at the foothills of the Mountains of the Moon"

'Their home lay far to the south, and all that we know of Predynastic Egypt suggests that it was in the neighborhood of the Great Lakes
EW Budge, Hieroglyphic Dictionary, Dover, 1920

The Rwenzoris are the legendary “Mountains of the moon”, a reflection of the mist-shrouded mountains of this rugged massif that tower almost 4,000 m above the Albertine Rift Valley, making them visible from great distances.
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/684

Ptolemy compiled his geography of Africa based on the writings of Marinus of Tyre. Marinus recorded that around 50 CE the Greek trader Diogenes traveled inland from Rhapta (coastal city in what is today Tanzania) for 25 days before encountering two great lakes and a snowy range of mountains where the Nile draws its source (Lane-Poole 1950: 4).

Though there is some debate on this subject, it seems very clear that Diogenes, traveling directly west from the coast, came upon either Lake Nyassa or Lake Victoria (or both). The nearby snowcapped mountains could only be the Rwenzori range.

Diop starts by recounting that in 1971 the Kenyan anthropologist Louis S. B. Leakey, in his final report at the Seventh Pan-African Congress of Prehistory at Addis Ababa, proved that more than one hundred fifty thousand years ago humans were more morphologically similar to us were living in Central Africa around the great lakes that feed the Nile. Diop explains how this startling discovery opened a reappraisal of the ethnology of the ancient Egyptians and humankind as a whole. Leakey even thought he had found the very spot where the adventure of modern man had begun: the beautiful, snow-capped Rwenzori Mountains between Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, traditionally known as the Mountains of the Moon and discovered by Henry Morton Stanley in 1885.
The prehistoric origins of ancient egypt p.179 Bauval.

barwaaqo:


You are pulling leg here

Fulaman198:


The only ones truly still speaking the Berber languages today are our neighbors the Tuareg with a few Kabyles

Barbari:

Bro she is right about term ''Berber'' being recent before that word people used different variations like Barbar or Barbari or Barbaroi
Which is what somalis and north africans were called in the past. Berber language didnt exist becuz they all spoke somali.

Berber is a corruption of the Barbar which in both ancient egyptian language and somali language ''barba'' means to teach/to write.

After the 1.5 million european slaves where shipped to north africa and the ottoman turks colonized it. It diluted both the identity of the people and the gene pool.

southern arabia,egypt,north africa was filled with somalis who spoke different dialects of the somali language. The migration of asiatics change that.

Somalis look the way they do due to Climate and environment. Somalis live in a desert dry climate just like north africa and southern arabia.
While the rest of africa lives in the jungle with monkeys!

The almost extinction of the somali race is a prime example how you shouldnt mix at all
just like bantu and mogoloid people the somalid race people where big in number in the past.
now only 15million on the blink of exstinction.

I Study history in college so i know what i am talking about.

barwaaqo:

I it is like people ignore climate and environment and almost expect humans to just migrate to where
ever. Instead of being indegenous and adapting to the environment they are in.

The ancient egyptians where desert people much like somalis and other cushites.
You guys should study the bone structure and the cranio features of the mummies instead relying on Fake dna tests.

The one they share the same bone structure and cranio features and hair texture with are somalis and beja!

The lower and middle egyptians where somalis while the upper were beja.
like i said migration of asiatics change that.

Land of the punt is nothern part of somalia

Punt in latin but in somali Buunta means just horn!!

Maakhir:


Barbari, Puntite, Axum pfft whats the difference

Barbari:


i am neither axum or puntite. I am just Barbari from Bilad Al Barbar!!

Maakhir:


'Kay,

I, Maakhir hereby bestow on you the benefit of doubt.

Barbari:


are you somali? why are you talking like a quere?

EnlightenedSoul:


This account!

No. Somalis are not Moors/Berbers. Please, stop.

And yes, you're claiming. It's the same reason this thread was started. People really need to stop claiming shyt. It's really and truly pathetic.

The Moor, whom the classical Greek and the Roman authors called Berber were black, and affiliated with the then contemporary peoples of the East Africa area . The word Berber was used in fact to refer to peoples of the Red Sea area in Africa as well as North Africans.

According to Ivan Van Sertima, associate professor of African Studies at Rutgers University. "Black Moors were in every corner of Europe. Most people do not know that the peoples called Berbers by the classical Greek an Roman historians were black and affiliated with the then contemporary peoples of the East African area."

Maakhir:


Warya, Maxaad somali ka agaanta, you said you were a Berber remember

I am somali

barwaaqo:


You are pulling leg here

IG:
@PAGAN 9JA, so you mean to tell me that the original black Arabs that conquered Spain were also of slave ancestry. That is exactly the type of lies being told by today's white Arabs. The original Arabs describe themselves as black and yes they traded in slaves. But the truth is that every race engaged in slave trade. The Original black Arabs traded both black and white slaves but they are particularly fond of white concubines. I do not believe that whites are the only ones guilty of slavery though I blame them for racialising slavery. But whatever I say will not make sense to you because you so much want to promote your paganism and the real history I am presenting here will make most of your pro-paganism arguments fall like a house of cards.

And now for some paintings of some black Arabs and there white concubines/slaves.

Maakhir:



Those aren't Arabs little boy

It is reported that the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said, (In a dream) I saw myself following a herd of black sheep. Then a group of white sheep came (and mixed with the black sheep) until they (the white sheep) became so many that the black sheep could no longer be seen in the herd of sheep." Abu Bakr, the companion of the Prophet (pbuh) and the interpreter of dreams, said, "Oh Messenger of Allah. As for the black sheep, they are the Arabs. They will accept Islam and become many. The white sheep are the non-Arab Persians, etc. They will accept Islam and become so many that the Arabs will not be noticed amongst them." The Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) then said that an angel had interpreted the dream the same way.

Zaid ibn Aslam related that the Prophet (SAWS) saw a vision and told his companions about it. He said:

"I saw a group of black sheep and a group of white sheep then mixed with the black sheep."

They said: What's the interpretation of the vision Oh Messenger of Allah? The Prophet (SAWS) said:

"The non-Arab Persians will share with you your religion and your genealogy."

The companions became surprised by what he (SAWS) said. Then one said:

"The non-Arab Persians Oh Messenger of Allah?!"

The Prophet (SAWS) then said:

"If faith were hanging on the Pleiades (a group of stars), men from the non-Arab Persians would reach it.

"Your hands will become full of non-Arabs (Persians). Then they will become like fearless lions who don't run away. Then they will cut your throats and take your spoils."

لتملان أيديكم من العجم ، ثم ليصيرن أسدا لا يفرون ، ثم ليضربن أعناكم وليأكلن فيئكم


"It was narrated by Sumra (from Al-Hasan Al-Basri) that the Prophet (SAWS) said:

'Soon Allah will fill your hands with the Persians/Non-Arabs. Then they will be fearless lions and they will kill your fighters and take your spoils.'


عن سمرة قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم

يوشك أن يملأ الله عز و جل أيديكم من العجم ثم يكونون أسدا لا يفرون فيقتلون مقاتلتكم ويأكلون فيأكم

Maakhir:



Those aren't Arabs little boy

macof:
This Puntite is so jobless, can't believe you created another account just to keep trolling

barwaaqo:

Puntite:


Bro he was the described al asmar by most hadiths. There is one that describes him white. You guys dont know the meaning of white

i didnt post a couple people speaking that was the prophet in hadith which he spoke of what would happen
If somalis only could learn arabic and use their brains there would be no confusion about isaaq and darood story.

here is the hadith of what prophet said with illustrations

Maakhir:


Anas Ibn Malik RA said: "He had broad palms and his colour was bright. He was neither white nor brown, rather he was whitish at the time of his death, in both his head and beard there were as many as twenty grey hairs, beside some grey hair at his temples." Sahih Al-Bukhari 1/502

In reference to the hadith on the black sheep. Black sheep in every culture are a symbolism of something rare

Radoillo:


Of course, its Axum. Never had doubts about that.

Honestly, its fun a bit fun sometimes, countering his silly arguments. But it also becomes quickly boring because he keeps repeating the same debunked nonsense.

Barbari:




"Concerning Abdel Muttalib, whose real name is Shaibat Al-Hamd, verily he was named "Abd (the slave of) El-Muttalib" because his uncle El-Muttalib ibn Abd Manaaf took him from his mother Salma the Ansaariya (from the Ansaar) Al-Najjaariya and came to Mecca with him on the back of his riding animal and he (Abdel Muttalib) was asmar-complexioned, so the people thought that he was a slave that El-Muttalib had bought, so they said: 'El-Muttalib has come with a slave'. This name then stuck to him."

Maakhir:


My friend, the people thought he was a slave, not because of his complexion, but because they did not know him and it wasn't a unusual custom of nobles who went to other tribes in Arabia, to bring back a slave with them.

You said that they thought he was a slave because his complexion was brown, you also said that every Arab at the time of the Prophet had a brown complexion, so going b that logic, every Arab at the time would have been a slave

Like I said to Puntite: When Arabs used to use the word brown they used to mean it as people of bronze (tan) skin.

Maakhir:


My friend, the people thought he was a slave, not because of his complexion, but because they did not know him and it wasn't a unusual custom of nobles who went to other tribes in Arabia, to bring back a slave with them.

You said that they thought he was a slave because his complexion was brown, you also said that every Arab at the time of the Prophet had a brown complexion, so going b that logic, every Arab at the time would have been a slave

Like I said to Puntite: When Arabs used to use the word brown they used to mean it as people of bronze (tan) skin.