denisfidha: alshabaab targets non Muslims in Kenya you fool. and. I have said before. the Somalis in Kenya are Kenyans. now if you want to go ahead and claim they belong to Somalis. am sory but that not happening ever. now go back to your pathetic Somali nation and take your pride to Mogadishu.
Kenya is a nation with 42 tribes, one of them is Somali, there are also nubians, the masaai also exist both in Kenya and Tanzania. the masaai s in Tz are called Tanzanian and the masaai in Kenyans are Kenyans. there is also a tribe that exist in both Uganda and Kenya. you must be really desperate to a point you are using sucessfull Kenyan Somalis to prove your points. And let it be clear that I do not hate Somalis, I only hate those nut heads from Somalia, and anyone whuth racist feelings towards Bantu people
And with that I respectfully oblige to Rafikizolo 's plea and desist from further degrading this thread of pan-africanism
Not just the kenyan somalis but i'll leave it at that
Kafrican: There are Somalis where I live, I have never had any querrels with them. Deep down in my heart I wish all the best to the people of Somali.... Good luck rebuilding your Nations and your people...... I have no intention of continue these argument So I am Leaving now, Back to my Kenyan related threads. Good by people of the new Mogadishu thread......
muafrika: You were being mean intentionally. And hiding it as an opinion does not change that fact.
Am walking a righteous path from now.
The thing I hate the most is when people victimize themselves.
If you went back to the first page, you would know that you guys started all of it.
This is what Gallivant said tome without any provocation.
gallivant: Since you are Issaq you know your place in this world.Go make me a sandwich....no mayonaisse.
who was being mean now
I intentionally held myself back for a whole page and didn't hurl any insults until every single kenyan (apart from MorrisMkenya and Rafikizolo) on this whole forum decided to come and insult Somalis.
Go read through the thread and see who was in the wrong before assuming that I would insult people for no reason.
Mrajonder: I need your help pals..hope u will help me..my litle nephew is in cusson babies contest and needed likes to make it to the next stage.. It won't take much of your time,kindly open this link and click on Okafor Leonard botton(on ma kneels) www.cussonsbabymoments.com/top20 His pix is at the down page ...please I trusted u guys enough to have ask for a favour from you ple.. My sis wil nt allow me rest if he doesn't win..abeg help us.. OkAFOR LEONARD is the name
Wouldn't it be cheating if he's not the cutest baby there
How would the other mother's feel now that you've got the advantage of people from this forum helping you out
Kafrican: Lets See How the [b]"Bantus" of Kenya have helped Somali to be where it is today, for you people to even start a thread called the new Mogadishu[/b]
After previouly almost going to war with Somali in the 60s-70s....... The Kenya government allowed Somali Refugees to come to Kenya in escape from Hunger,disease and war. An estimated 600,000, refugees now reside on Kenyan Soil with another estimated 200,000 bilieved to be living in Kenya illigally.
All those Somalis living in Minnesota,USA came from Somalia, through Kenya, As refugees in 1991, when the US agreed to take of the burden and resettle regugees in america.....
THen the war continued there were a total of 6 confernces Held in different Countries around the world to reconcile waring factions in Somalia before bieng held in Kenya
Kenya attempting to Help Somali come together after decades of civil and clan wars
This meeting however proved to be futile
Two years Later after the first meeting Failed... Agreement to form the TFG which would then begin plans to take back control of its failed state,all with support from the Kenya Government. During this time Mogadishu was alshabaab HQ and all Somali parliamentarians were living in exile in Nairobi
First Presidential Elections of Somalia Since the fall of Said Bare
In 2006, Before any Nation Recognises that Somalia has a Government, Kenya Signs a, Joint Commission for Cooperation (JCC), which it usually sings with other recognised Nations, to begin cooperation between the two governmets.
Between 20055,6,7 up to 2009: Kenya Army, using its ouwn resources Secretely Trained TFG soldiers In preparation for the TFG government with the plan of eventually relocatiing the TFG government to Mogadishu.
In 2007: Uganda Move to Mogadishu and together with TFG, protect the new Government which was HQ'd at the airport
In 2011, After aid workers in daadab refugee camp and tourists in Lamu Kidnaped, Kenya directly Joins the Fight (Kenya had previously provided logistical support to the Ras Kambooni Brigade to Keep the terrorist at bay from the Kenyan boder)...................
Even after alshabaab and its sympathisers, attacked Kenya regularly between 2012-2014
In 2013 Kenyatta University, One of Kenya leading public university opens up a campus in daadab to enhance higher education learning
The University will offer diploma, undergraduate and master’s programs in academic fields such as Finance, Marketing, Project Management, Education, Public Administration, Community Mobilization, Peace and Conflict Studies and many others
In 2012: Kenya government begins to train Somali governmet workers from Secretaries,accountants,.....
Even though Kenya might not trust every single Somalia from Somali,Kenya still had the good heart of emebeding Somalis into its civil service, where ever they wanted to go in any ministry, From the ministry of foreign affaires, Finance,education,defence. Would Somali trust Kenyans To work in its Government in Mogadishu?
Just thinking, If the situation had been reversed, would Somalis and the somali government have helped a majoritly christian and largly Bantu Nation of Kenya if it was the one in need? Judging by the hatred of Somalis in this Forum, I highly doubt that.
Axum is the only one with a problem against bantu's.
And no-one is denying the good things that kenya has done but you guys just had to come and try to ruin this thread
Kafrican: I feel Like I have wasted my time going through all those documents and showing the links and Citations/References only for the guy to claim that I have not Supplied any links.... Do I need to take people to school now, Speaking of which How old is Maakhir anyway, maybe we are arguing with and teenager who's just in highschool and is Just begining to discover himself(phisically and phsycologically). It would certainly explain his lack of basic logic aguments and understanding.....
And you're meant to back up your arguments by providing actual proof.
Kafrican: I feel Like I have wasted my time going through all those documents and showing the links and Citations/References only for the guy to claim that I have not Supplied any links.... Do I need to take people to school now, Speaking of which How old is Maakhir anyway, maybe we are arguing with and teenager who's just in highschool and is Just begining to discover himself(phisically and phsycologically). It would certainly explain his lack of basic logic aguments and understanding.....
And you're meant to back up your arguments by providing actual proof.
Kafrican: Everything I have quoted comes from those links up there, Even the PDF file is found online for download if you google the name of the article. I am writting about the Mau-Mau because, the Mau-Mau who had largly formed the Kenyan Government had gone through the same thing of bieng placed in concentration camps and they were the best people to know how effective it was, So they applied the same counter-insurjecy tacktic the Brits had Used on them. And Just so you know, that tactic has been used in many places around the world in the past as a means of disrupting local insurjencies
Yareey: Sigh, I don't know where to start with this one.
First off, you can slap me as hard as you want but know that I will kick you hard in the balls for that. That is if you even have balls What man would slap a woman
All that shit about whether we are mixed or a entirely different race created by god himself is irrelevant to me. I see Blacks/Africans as my brethren (as in race) and I see Arabs/Muslims as my brethren in religion. That's by my blood cooks when I see a video of a black man choked to death in NY by cops, when the world cries for 12 dead people in Paris but doesn't care about the 2000 lost lives in Nigeria or when I'm reminded of Israel unhumane treatment of Palestines. That's how I and a lot of Somalis think and feel. You can show maps that tell nothing or even dig up a undeniable evidence that we are neither black or arab but that won't change a thing. We feel connected to both and that feeling isn't going away after reading ''facts''.
You really need to learn how to communicate sxb, painting Somalis who disagree with you as brainwashed/dumb person or calling west africans rotten doesn't prove anything but how ignorant you are.
denisfidha: I like the quote posted by that kafrica dude on the new Mogadishu forum. I will steal his quote and post it here to explain to you how your Bantu "jealous" people have helped Mogadishu and Somalia in general be where they are today. that quote will come tomorrow.
for now..... give me the names of five prominent Somali refugees who have large businesses based in Kenya. Kenyan politics is done by Kenyans.... that's in the constitution. the only place Somali refugees dominate politics is in daadab refugee camp, where your elections are conducted by none other than Kenya's electron body. for Somalis to elect someone to lead them in the refugee camp. apparently Somali citizens dint know democracy until they came to a refugee camp.
last but not least. when attacks on Kenya by alshabaab had increased, and a bomb making factory was discoverd in eastliegh, all Somali refugees were ordered to go back to camps, if the Somalis indeed dominated our economy, don't you think Kenya's economy would have collapsed by now?? and would not be expanding rapidly as is the case?
He said the kenyan economy is dominated by somali's not the politics. That being said you should read through the whole thread. Kenya wasn't as helpful as you might think
muafrika: Jealous and insecure? This is the kind of violence am talking about. Turn it around. Now that am not going to give violence I will not be taking it.
You know you are not so righteous on this right? Any ways am off.
This is what I said
My friend, I've told off Axum many times for insulting Bantus.
I don't know what you would be jealous of but thats what a jealous insecure person does, run into something good and try to wreck it which is what you guys did with the mogadishu thread undecided
I didn't have a delusion, but I had a feeling that there was something wrong with you guys to come into a normal thread discussing the progress of a city that's been in twenty plus years of war and is finally getting a ray of hope
How is that in any way violent?
And you yourself are not in anyway righteous either
muafrika: Yareey, Deep down I don't hate Somalis. Someone just challenged me and I took the challenge. I think Somalis are o.k, except the misguided ones in the diaspora. US education standards to blame I think.
I have been a loner on many occassion in pityng the Somali plight and telling people off for being spiteful towards the Somali, till I met some people here with the audacity...
Look at Maakir here with his jealousy theory. Really? Of what?
The fact that you have that delusion tempts me to give you a little reality check Maakhir.
So long as you guys find comfort with insult Bantus, I will find comfort knocking reality hard into your heads.
My friend, I've told off Axum many times for insulting Bantus.
I don't know what you would be jealous of but thats what a jealous insecure person does, run into something good and try to wreck it which is what you guys did with the mogadishu thread
I didn't have a delusion, but I had a feeling that there was something wrong with you guys to come into a normal thread discussing the progress of a city that's been in twenty plus years of war and is finally getting a ray of hope
muafrika: Don't, I've left that one. Besides, you've already been here.
Don't say that I hate you again(or your people). I don't, even though some of your words have been alittle violent I did not reply with the same violence.
Kafrican: Everything I have quoted comes from those links up there, Even the PDF file is found online for download if you google the name of the article. I am writting about the Mau-Mau because, the Mau-Mau who had largly formed the Kenyan Government had gone through the same thing of bieng placed in concentration camps and they were the best people to know how effective it was, So they applied the same counter-insurjecy tacktic the Brits had Used on them. And Just so you know, that tactic has been used in many places around the world in the past as a means of disrupting local insurjencies
Yareey: Muafrica's hate for Somalis is deep rooted if he is making ridiculous claims like ''Somalis never fought the British army'' and refuse to admit that most of us are pretty good business man.
Sis, if you think this is bad, you should go to the New Mogadishu thread, I don't know if it is jealousy or cause of axum but Muafrika and the other Kenyans really seem to hate us
Kafrican: The Kenya Government had Just gained indipendence, During the Mau Mau war, the british used to put people in Concentration camps to restrict movement of people and it was a pretty evective way of reducing attacks on the British.... So I guess the Kenya Government took the lesson
Then After the concentration capms, the British whent back to the forest where Mau Mau were hiding
Although Some of the detainees were totured, They stayed alive, while the rest in the forests were killed
From a PDF scholar article
International Journal of African Historical Studies Vol. 45, No. 3 (2012):Forced Villagization during the Shifta Conflict in Kenya, ca. 1963–1968
Hahaha, Provide some actual proof in the form of a link. Any one can write something and then do this [quote][/quote]Bring the link and don't try b*llshitting me.
I'll research into it more but I know for a fact that you guys used prisoners to parley. And I couldn't care less about the Mau Mau war, we are talking about the Shifta war here.
IG: @PAGAN 9JA, so you mean to tell me that the original black Arabs that conquered Spain were also of slave ancestry. That is exactly the type of lies being told by today's white Arabs. The original Arabs describe themselves as black and yes they traded in slaves. But the truth is that every race engaged in slave trade. The Original black Arabs traded both black and white slaves but they are particularly fond of white concubines. I do not believe that whites are the only ones guilty of slavery though I blame them for racialising slavery. But whatever I say will not make sense to you because you so much want to promote your paganism and the real history I am presenting here will make most of your pro-paganism arguments fall like a house of cards.
And now for some paintings of some black Arabs and there white concubines/slaves.
Yareey: You confusing dear. When did Somalis become white, Asians or Arabs, we are a mix between Arabs and ''Blacks'' but mostly black. The guy I was talking about is far from being dumb, he is a well educated Dinka who has a vision for his country and the continent as whole, he was welcoming towards the foreigners in his country just like he was welcomed in Europe when he left his mother land.
many european people left their own country to persue education in somalia. it was the first and the greatest modern state in africa before the war and had an army equal to that of the west. check your monkey presidents resume it probably say mogudishu university like many african leaders got their education in somalia
putting up one of the most fiercest resistance to European colonialism (it took 3 European powers France, England and Italy to subdue Somalis), by being one of the few African nations to have a written script, by being the biggest supporters of African liberation in southern Africa Zimbabwe, Angola, Mozambique, and South Africa (in fact Mugabe once resided in Mogadisho during his struggle to liberate his country not to mention that both the the ANC`s umkhonto we sizwe and the Azania People`s Liberation Army had training bases in Somalia during the struggle against apartheid. All this when other bigger and richer African countries like Kenya and Nigeria were to afraid of the West to lift a finger to help the people of southern Africa. So by fail state you mean solidarity in African liberation then we Somalis are guilty as charged but you are just another one of these sellout Christian African uncle toms. i could list them all!
jazak allah bro, my point exactly. just please avoid calling people monkeys
TerryCarr: sad day for South Sudan you would think SS would learn not to trust odd looking Africans with white features & straight hair from NS. black nations should not let in Arabs/Asians/whites because they would just leach off of the nations dumb people
TerryCarr: sad day for South Sudan you would think SS would learn not to trust odd looking Africans with white features & straight hair from NS. black nations should not let in Arabs/Asians/whites because they would just leach off of the nations dumb people
I'll come back for this after I've finished my work
Kafrican: First of all, Eastliegh has many Somali refugees because there is already a big population of Kenya Somalis already there, If there were rich refugees, they wouldn't be called refugees, They would be called investors,The same way we call, southAfricans, Angolans,Egyptians.... and I don't think they woud be living in Eastliegh
2nd Of all, Indians dont live in Eastliegh so how are the Somalis helping us from bieng ripped off exacly? Mind you Kenyans are people always looking for a cheaper supply market, bieng ripped in price is not something you would find in there dictionary.
I only know eastliegh for two things; Refugees, and selling of food spices....Thats it
Kenyan Somali's live in the North Eastern Provence, please don't try lying to me kid.
Kafrican: I did say, I will provide the link,.... Am still looking for it
But here is something to keep you waiting.....(From kenya parliament archive), A member of parliament while discusing ongoing shifta insujency back in the day, while discussing about problems arising from use of vigilization to contain the insurjency
[b]As Kariuki(MP) stated to Parliament in June, “we do not want to be told that there are loyal Somalis, let loyal Somalis come out and show us their loyalty. Let them be put in a camp where we can scrutinize them and know who [amongst them] are good."[/b]
Not all Somalis were put in camps, the ones who were put in camps (even though some were put there forcefully) were considered loyal in the end, those who were not, ran away from the camps to join the insurjents ...... The insurjency was started by somalis in Kenya who wanted to join with other somalis, although they had support from the Somali government,in terms of supplies, the Vigilization, was a solution to a local problem, The free movement of people made the insurjency difficult to contain, So people were taken to those camps, were searched, dis-armed, and placed in camps, which was guarded by police, (in modern days, governments use curfews to stop movement of people and supplies in a conflict)
Still looking for the de-classified intelligence report,
The dumbest post in this whole thread!
How can you tell a group of people that you put them into a concentration camp where they would likely be killed or die of disease to test out there loyalty? Even worse, how could you not expect them to run away?
Many Somali's who were put in the camps were everyday civilians who were just minding their own business. Even if they did join the insurgency after running away from the camp would you blame them after what your government had put them through?
No wonder Kenya is suffocating in corruption, change your politicians, they're getting more imbecilic by the second.
Adolf Hiltler also put Jews in concentration camps. As a result millions of Jews died. I'm sure he was also 'testing' their loyalty to Nazi Germany.
Culture › Re: Why Can't People Embrace Pan-africanism? Why So Much Hatred On This Forum?? by Maakhir(m): 11:13am On Jan 21, 2015
What man would slap a woman 