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rationalmind: While I appreciate your input and your conviction, we only need honest people on these thread. We don't need any one to twist any thing here.

Read that verse again, it said the heaven and the earth were parted. That's scientific ignorance from Allah. Heaven is not separate from the earth. Heaven(sky) is inside the earth.

Like I said, only honest people are welcome on this thread. We don't need any twists and re-interpretations. Thank you

Edit: I just noticed the universe you put in brackets after earth. When does earth start being the universe. Did you do geography in school? Earth is a planet on its own in the universe. Earth does not equal universe.

When did the heavens mean sky? Ardi in Arabic means earth including the sky, in Arabic heaven are worlds beside the earth. Your knowledge of language is very weak. If u are honest u would look up to the quran and the Arabic dictionary befor u make a comment.

rationalmind: This has got me thinking for sometime. While debating religionists and issues of evolution and the big bang arises, most religionists tend to say they believe in micro-evolution(changes within species) but not macro-evolution(changes outside species). They also tend to generally accept the big bang theory with the caveat that God must had been behind it.

Here is where the question lies, let's even agree micro-evolution is true and macro is wrong and that God started the Big-Bang, how come there is no single mention of evolution in all religious books? How come there is no single mention of the big-bang in religious books (except some very pathetic twists of quranic verses)?

God had all the time to talk about slavery, genocide, sacrifices, idolatory but couldn't simply talk about evolution and the big-bang.

Why did we have to wait so long for darwin? Why did we have to wait so long for George Lemaître?

If history is anything to go by, it is that God/Allah has done or said nothing of note as regards earth and life forms only to promise fantasies of heaven.

Its on the basis of the above I'll always cast my lot with science despite the presence of dark n grey areas and will encourage everyone to do so.

God/Allah, Bible/Quran has always never been there when we need them the most.

The Quran clearly mentioned it, straight and direct in over 1400 years ago before your scientist thought of it in Chapter 21 verse 30 "Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth (universe) were joined together as one united piece, then we parted them?...
You don't have to twist anyting here, can't u see this verse is directly refering to u? Please account for that who did an Arab an illiterate who cannot read or write say that 1400 years ago?

mazaje: What are you saying my friend?. . .Is Mary the only person that was honoured in the Koran?. . .Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Issac etc where all spoken well of and honoured in the Koran so i really do not know what you are on about here. . .I have already told you why but you keep asking the same question. . .I don't want to be going round in a circle. . .The Jews dispised every one, they refer to all gentiles as dogs, not only the arabs. . .

Good u know they refer to them like dogs and they call them the children of the slave and have no respect for them that means they were not in good terms, so u can't say that they were in good relationship before, so it is not normal for one to talk good about his enemy unless he is commanded from above (God) beyond his human will

mazaje: An arab will go out of his way to honor a jew because he wants to use their religion to form his own. . .Arabs and jews only started having problems after islam was established before then there was no porblem btw them. . .Paul and other apostles of Jesus according to the bible had to run to arabic lands(syria) to seek refuge when they were presecuted by the romans. . .Mohamed just took an already established religion and created his own out of it. . .Islam is founded purely as an oposition to the jews and christians that is why the religion demonizes them and claims that their own stories are either corrupt or incomplete. . .Mohammed was not commanded by any god in reality, he was commanded by his intention to create a new system out of an already established system. . .

Brother, right from inception the Jews have been looking down to the Arabs as children of the slave woman, the Jews treat the Arabs like dogs, they say they are from Ishmeal who's mother is a slave, so u are wrong, they have never had a good relationship. The question remains why would an Arab stand up and honour a Jew? And in the first place he was talking to his Arab congregation, why would he provoke his listeners by praising a Jewish family, if he was looking for fame since he was talking to Arabs he could simply continue to insult the Jews cause that is what his people would be glad to hear. Please don't be sentimental why and blind fold with hatered. Why would Mohammad say such a thing in the midst of Arab his people?

Mintayo: Jesus talked while he was a baby? Smh.
And interestingly when He talked, na to authenticate islamic lie say,'him be allah's messenger?' smh.
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Achebe wrote "things fall apart"...several years later,another self acclaimed 'Achebe' came and wrote another "things fall apart"-copyin d original,calling it fake,obssessed abt it,changing things/words to discredits d original and as if that was nt enough forcing it down people's throat...smh.
I wonder which shld be more acceptable...d original or d 'plagarized'...smh

In the Quran the first miracle of Jesus is he spoke at cradle in the Bible he turned water into wine, which is more atributed to a prophet? Pls read the Quran how and see how straight and clear the messege is and compare with the Bible, how did the holy spirit over shadow Mary? Like a bird or a man? How did he go into Mary?

Please tell us why would an Arab go out of his way to honour a Jewish and her son? and we know that the Jews had never have a good relationship with the Arabs, so why would Mohammad (saw) talk so nice about these people, we know under normal condition there is no woman better than your mother or daugther. Please account for that. There is only one reason for Mohammad (saw) to say that, HE is commanded by God.

mazaje: But seriously, muslims need to stop this foolishness. . . .Why should any body believe the nonsense written in the koran?. . .The entire religion of islam is predicated on opposition to christianity and judism. . .Mohammed and his cronies wanted to create a religion, they chose an already establish religion(that of the jews and christians changed the stories, mixed it with their arabian way of life and called it islam. . .Nonsense!

Please tell us why would an Arab go out of his way to honour a Jewish and her son? and we know that the Jews had never have a good relationship with the Arabs, so why would Mohammad (saw) talk so nice about these people, we know under normal condition there is no woman better than your mother or daugther. Please account for that. There is only one reason for Mohammad (saw) to say that, HE is commanded by God.

Don famous: So sad that i dint even know wat to comment. #almost shedding tears#

Here are some of the Muslim victims of genocide throughout history

1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

Raymondenyi: Pls whio is the mother of mohamed?
N hlep me list the koran verses n chapters

Please get the translated copy of the Quran and read with open heart, u will see that Islam is agaisnt killing of any innocent soul whether a muslim or non muslim. People go agaisnt their teachings, in all societies we have our black sheeps. But people don't talk about other societies that are the real terrorists





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IS TERRORISM A MUSLIM MONOPOLY
TERRORISM IS FIRST TIME USE IN THE 1790S DURING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION THE YEAR 1793 TO 1794 WERE CALLED THE YEAR OF TERROR[color=#990000][/color] MAXIMILIN ROBESPIERVE WAS HEADING THE GOV. AND HE KILLED THOUSAND OF INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS HE ARRESTED OVER 500,000, 40,000 WERE EXECUTED 200,000 WERE STARVED TO DEATH . WHEN U LOOK AT ATTACKS FROM THE 19TH CENTURY U CAN HARDLY FIND ANY ATTACK DONE BY THE MUSLIMS

IN 1881 TSAR ALEXANDER II OF RUSSIA WAS ASSASINATED IN A BOMB BLAST KILLING 21 INNOCENT PEOPLE. THE ATTACK WAS CARRIED OUT BY IGNANCY NOT A MUSLIM

IN 1886 A BOMD BLAST TOOK PLACE IN HAYMARKET SQ IN CHICAGO DURING A LABOUR RALLY 12 INNOCENT KILLED DONE BY 8 ANARCHISTS ALL OF THEM WERE NOT MUSLIMS

5TH SEP 1901 THE THEN US PRESIDENT WILLIAM MCKINLEY WAS ASSASINATED BY A MAN NAMED LEON CZOLGOSZ

1ST OCTOBER 1910 THERE WAS A BOMB BLAST IN LOS ANGELS TIMES NEWSPAPEER BUILDING KILLING 21 INNOCENT PEOPLE DONE BY 2 CHRISTIANS NAMED JAMES AND JOSEPH NOT MUSLIMS

28 JUNE 1914 ARCHDUKE OF AUTRIA AND HIS WIFE WERE ASSASINATED BY MEMBERS OF THE YOUNG BOSNIA GROUP THEY WERE SERBS NOT MUSLIMS

16TH APRIL 1925 A BOMB BLAST IN ST NEDELYA CHURCH IN SOFIA THE CAPITAL OF BULGARIA MORE THAN 150 KILLED AND 500 INJURED BY BULGARIAN COMMUNIST PARTY NOT MUSLIMS

9TH OCTOBER 1934 KING ALEXANDER OF YUGOSLAVIA WAS ASSASINATED BY VLADA GEORGIEFF NON MUSLIM

1ST MAY 1951 THE FIRST US PLANE HIJACKED BY RAMEREZ ORTIZ NON MUSLIM

28TH AUGUST 1968 THE US AMBASSADOR TO GUATEMELA WAS ASSASINATED BY A NON MUSLIM

30TH JULY 1969 USS AMBASSADOR TO JAPAN KNIFED BY A JAPANESE NON MUSLIM

3RD SEPTEMBER 1969 US AMBASSADOR TO BRAZIL WAS KIDNAPPED BY A NON MUSLIM

19TH APRIL 1995 BOMBING OF THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY KILLED 160 INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS BY 2 CHRISTIANS TIMOTHY AND TERRY
DO U KNOW THAT FROM 1941 TO 1948 AFTER THE WORLD WAR IN A SPAN OF 8 YRS 259 TERRORIST ATTACKS WERE CONDUCTED BY JEWISH TERRORIST GROUP WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THE 22ND JULY 1945 BOMBING OF KING DAVID HOTEL HEADED BY MENACHEM BEGIN KILLED 91 INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS AND THIS SAME MAN MENACHEM BEGIN LATER BECAME THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISREAL AND LATER GOT AWARD FOR NOBEL PRIZE FOR PEACE. HOW COULD THE WORLD KEEP SILIENCE TO SUCH ATROCITIES HMMMM

HITLER ALONE KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS WHO WAS HE, A CHRISTIAN NOT A MUSLIM

IN GERMANY FROM 1968 TO 1992 BAADER MEINHOFF GANG KILLED SEVERAL INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS THEY WERE ALL NOT MUSLIMS

IN ITALY THE RED BRIGADE HAVE KILLED SEVERAL INNOCENT PEOPLE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR KIDNAPPING AND KILLING OF THE PRIME MINISTER OF ITALLY ALDO MORO

THE JAPANESE RED ARMY ON THE 20TH MARCH 1995 ALIM SHINRIKYO USED NEON GAS IN THE TOKYO SUBWAY KILLED 7 AND INJURED 5700 INNOCENT POEPLE THEY WERE BUDDHIST NOT MUSLIMS

U.K FOR ABOUT 100 YEARS NOW THE IRA IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY ARE CONDUCTING TERRORIST ATTACKS WHICH IN
1972 THREE BOMBS BLASTR KILLING 27 PEOPLE THEY ARE CATHOLICS NOT MUSLIMS,
IN 1974 TWO BOMBS BLAST IN GULFORD PUB KILLED 5 AND INJURED 44 THE SECOND BLAST IN BIRMINGHAM PUB KILLED 21 AND INJURED 182

JUST MENTIONING A FEW

1996 A BOMB BLAST IN MANCHESTER SHOPPING CENTER WERE ABOUT 206 INJURED

IN 1998 1ST AUGUST THE IRA PLANTED A CAR BOMB WHICH KILLED 35

15TH AUGUST 1998 OMAGH BOMB BLAST KILLED 29 OVER 330 INJURED

4TH MARCH 2001 BBC WAS BOMBED ALL BY IRA NOT MUSLIMS

IN SPAIN AND FRANCE THE ETA CONDUCTED 36 ATTACKS

IN AFRICA THERE ARE SO MANY BUT ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS IS THE LORD SALVATION ARMY A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST ORGANISATION IN UGANDA THEY BRIAN WASH YOUNG CHILDREN TO COMMIT TERRIRIST ATTACKS NOT MUSLIMS

IN SRI LANKA THE MOST NOTORIOYUS ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD EXPERT IN SUICIDE BOMBING THEY ARE HINDU NOT MUSLIMS

MAOISTS IN NEPAKL IN 7YRS CARRIED 99 ATTACKS NOT MUSLIMS

ATTF AND NLFF ARE CHRISTIAN TERRORIST GORUP IN NORTH EAST INDIA

2ND OCT 2004 44 HINDUS KILLED BY THEM NOT MUSLIMS

ULFA IN A SPAN OF 16yrs FROM 1990-2006 HAS CARRIED OUT 749 ATTACKS THEY ARE NON MUSLIMS.

JOESEPH STALLIN (KNOW AS UNCLE JOE) KILLED 20 MILLION. HUMAN BEIGN INCLUDING 14.5 MILLION WERE STARVED TO DEATH HE WAS NOT A MUSLIM

WHEN YOU GO TO CHINA MAO TSE TSUNG HAS KILLED OVER 15 MILLION HUMAN BEIGNS HE WAS A NON MUSLIM

BENITO MUSSOLINI OF ITALY KILLED 400,000 HUMAN BEINGS HE WAS A NON MUSLIM

ASHOKA IN ONE BATTLE ALONE OF KALINGA KILLED MORE THAN 100,000 PEOPLE HE WAS A HINDU NOT A MUSLIM

WE KNOW WE HAVE OUR BLACK SHEEP LIKE SADDAM HUSSAIN HISTORY TELLS US THAT HE KILLED A FEW 100 THOUSAND PEOPLE BUT THE EMBARGO PUT BY GEORGE BUSH AND U.S ALONE KILLED MORE THAN 500,000 IRAQI CHILDREN (HALF A MILLION) INNOCENT CHILDREN BY GEORGE BUSH A CHRISTIAN NOT A MUSLIM

WHEN WE ANALYSE WE CAN SURELY SAY WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THAT TERRORISM IS NOT A MUSLIM MONOPOLY, NOT ONLY THAT. IS NOT A MUSLIM MONOPOLY IT IS NOT EVEN ENCOURAGE IN ISLAM.

QURAN 5:32 SAYS IF ANYONE KILLS ANY HUMAN BEIGN WOULD BE AS IF HE HAD KILLED ALL MANKIND, AND IF ANYONE SAVE ANY HUMAN BEIGN IS AS IF HE HAS SAVED THE LIFE OF ALL HUMANITY.
ISLAM CONDEMS ALL FORMS OF TERRORISM

Mintayo: Lol,these muslims never dey try at all o,see lying and twisting...smh.

We have talk with prove and u don't want to believe, then pls prove us wrong

rationalmind: Chai, stop lying. Mecca is in arabia, valley of baca is in palestine. They are not the same places. Muslims can lie Chai

Read well, the bible say where Abraham's family were, go and check history there was no other place the valley of baca was other than Arabia. Why are u changing grounds I thought u said valley of Baca was not realy a place? Neither it was just name?

Mee234: But u are the dump one naa. abi u no dey see? ok don't u realize u are the dump one. Hw can the prince of peace(isa. 9v 6) be a fore runner of a war monger(koran2v216)? Hw can a teacher of righteousness be a fore runner of a lier(lied to his wife to sleep with a slave). He swear an oath to stop sleeping with his wives when they protested, but being a sex pervert that he(muhammad) was, allah took pity on him even told him not to refuse what was commanded of him.
Jesus said on the cross it is finish but muhammed came with weewee inspired vision of him being an apostle 600years after.
Bro abeg find some where dodg with ur unkempt bear and quarter to pant

Please what are u trying to say, talk sense into my head. If u want to call people names, I know those are not the only ones in your head, cause u are familiar with words like, u adulterous generation matt.12:39, u bastards, ye hypocrites... Matt23:13, ye generation of vipers... Matt 23:33 e.t.c

Mee234: adam built kaba. abraham rebuilt it. this manho must be a person(apology to logic boy)

That is the truth, at least even if I could not show u traces of Adam living there, I have showed u from your bible that Abraham and David were there, so what did u think? They were there just for child's play or just to mention? No they were there for pilgrimage (worship)

Mintayo: Muslims,confused souls.
Which Bible do u look into? The corrupt one? Or the lost one?
The fact that you guys consult the Bible to validate islam shows that islam is a fraud!
Is quran n hadith not enough?
Guy Adam or Abraham did not build any Mecca.
History is against u guys,you can't even prove it outside quran and the Bible did not say anything like that...Stop deceiving yourself.

Well I have given quotations from ur bible to prove my point, go back and read again.
The quran said it and I believe, but for ur own consumption I quoted from the bible, so what else do u want?

onetrack: The Quran can't even get the Christian Trinity correct: "And when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen." Quran 5:116

Mary was never considered a deity by Christians, and was never a part of the trinity. Epic fail.


the Quran also says that the Jews accepted the prophet Ezra as the son of god. Fail again. Jews have never ever acknowledged a son of god:

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?" Quran 9:30

The quran said when did u say to the people take me and my mother as deities, are u telling my that u don't know that some Christians call Mary the mother of God and pray to her? Then go ask ur christian brothers. Talking about Ezra, if u don't know what some Christians say about Mary how can u know what the Jews say about Ezra. If u don't know what people say about your mother, how could u know what people say about ur grand father?

Mee234: U bi complete olodo. There is nothing to learn from the bible yet u keep looking for verses to aasure yourself that u are on the right path. You have nothing to learn yet ur koran ask to consult the bible if you are confuse(surah 10v94). The reason you are not contented with ur koran alone is because it is false. you can not leave islam because ur parents will disown u. u might even be killed even though deep down inside u know that nothing good comes from following an illiterate arm robber and a sex pervert.

I told u that I look to the bible so I can sink my points into ur dump head, that is why the quran said we should go to the Bible, cause God said "Jesus told u in the bible that there is another prophet to come after me... So since u don't want to listen to the quran, so we go to prove to u from your bible.
What ever name u may call the prophet Jesus was his forerunner.

macof: Let me not argue wit u.

But why all this stress to prove to Christians that Islam's God is their God?
Wats ur tribal affiliation? Can u go through all this to teach ur ancestral spirituality? Do u even know ur ancestral spirituality?

Macof u misunderstand, what I am trying to say is we all have and are created by one supreme God. The Ka aba in Mecca is not a god nor is it literally the house of God, cause God is not a man and does not stay in a house, it is just that the prophets God sent all respected it because it was the first house dedicated to God (mecca) as we can see the traces that Abraham and his family were once there and David too once pass there in form of pilgrimage.

rationalmind: And when does the bible become an historical document? Which historian consults the bible when doing serious historical studies.

I told you there is no single historical evidence and you referred to a site I supplied talking about the bible. How dumb can it get!!!

The bible is a book of myths, so also the quran.

What I gave you showed that abraham passed through the valley of baca which has nothing to do with your mecca.

Well if u don't believe in the site u supplied, then why did u refer us to it, Mr man I am only using what u bring forward to prove my point. Ok u said valley of Baca, is the valley of baca in Asia? No, did Abraham pass by Europe? NO . The valley of Baca is in Arabia where the family of Abraham lived. That is exactly where Mecca is.

rationalmind: Stop lying for your religion. There is no single historical evidence that abraham ever passed through mecca let alone built a house dedicated to God. Kabah was actually built in 5 A.D by a pagan Yemeni leader called Abu Karb Asa’d

The gist of my first reply since those dark colored glasses of islam prevented you from seeing is, the valley of baca referred to in the bible has nothing to do with mecca.

It is just a case of same names referring to different places.

Infact u helped us to supply the evidence the proof that Abraham passed through Mecca the fact that his wife and his son were their.
Time after time people that came add to deplidated building, time after time, so many different people kept the building at their own time, but it was Abraham that set and founded the house. The fact that u know that it was were Abraham's family wandered around is enough for u to know that Abraham was there first before the Yemeni leader (Abu karb Asa'd) u are talking about

rationalmind: Here is my advice to christians. Anytime a muslim tells you something in the bible validates the quran or islam, take your time to verify such claims.

Muslims are confirmed, pathetic liars who will say anything to justify their idioti.c and glaringly false religion.

The valley of baca referred to in that verse simply means the "valley of tears". It has absolutely nothing to do with mecca.

For anyone who is interested in further reading, check here https://www.bible.com/notes/6270362/the-valley-of-baca

If u had read my first post u will see where I said it was the first house built dedicated to God by Abraham and Ishmael. If u have further read the site u post u will see that it say that was were hagar and Ishmael live. The valley of tears is simply another name for vally of Mecca .https://www.bible.com/notes/6270362/the-valley-of-baca

[quote author=macof]Islam is a monotheistic religion
Monotheism is worshiping one God

Whether that God is the supreme or his children

Allah is the Arab chief God over other Gods
Yahweh is well multi personated
Real Yahweh is the canaanite mountain God, before judaism was created and the Jews proclaimed their God as the only God

Allah is not Yahweh
Olodumare is not Allah
Chi-ukwu is not Yahweh

One God doesn't mean Supreme God

So Op u need to go to school because u lack basic education[/quote

Then the Arabs use to have over 360 Gods which they say in other to get to Almighty Allah they invoke their idols, so when Mohammad came to told them that they don't need the idols to get to God which they call Allah in Arabic. I think u should read my post above, I said every human being naturally has the knowledge of God in him, no matter the language u use to call him or the name u use to call him (God) as far as u submit to him alone as ur creator and that of the universe(the supreme God) and follow the messenger of that time, one word for that in Arabic is muslim and what u practice is called Islam in Arabic

Sard: ^^^^ now you finally come out to write what you have always wanted to write! I would have loved to argue with you, but my signature won't let me. *exits&unfollows thread*

Whatever it is why won't u accept it if it is the truth and if it is not then prove me wrong

macof: Such silliness

So wat has Mecca got no do?
David went to Mecca does that prove he his God is living in Mecca

Nobody say God is living in Mecca, God is not a man. We respect the house not that we worship it. We respect it as muslims, David respect it as a muslim.

macof: Such rubbish and lies.
Christianity was created as a religion about 50yrs after yeshua died by Paul before being reformed by the Romans

Judaism was formed after Israel's return from Babylon from the early religion which Moses created- Yahwism

Are u trying to evangelize Islam or debunk christianity?

This OP doesn't prove shiit. Wat does Mecca or Baka appearing in the Bible got to do with proving Islam is a sensible religion

I am trying to tell u that your lord is One

macof: rubbish

Its Eli not Ella
Eli meaning "my god"

Jesus had no business with Allah

Lemme tell u the ancient Somali worshipped one God called Waaq- he has nothing to do with Islam or Allah

Yoruba have one supreme God- Eledumare, he has nothing to do with Islam or Arab Allah

One God means monotheism not Islam

One God means monotheism, Islam is monotheism, monotheism is Islam. Every human naturally has the coscience of God in him, u can call Eli, Ela, Allah, Eledumare, Chineke as far as u submit to him alone the creator of the universe, the true one God in Arabic we call u a muslim.

Mee234: That u guys(muslims) try to validate ur religion at every turn is a clear indication that u guys are living a lie. U guys are like an urgly looking lady that spend so much time in front of her mirror trying to convince herself she's pretty, as soon as she step out to meet her peep she become concious of her urgliness. just like the athiest can not survive without God, Islam can not survive without christainity.

You say u don't believe in the Quran so we go out of our way to prove to you from your own book but u still don't believe, you are a clear example which Jesus said "...hearing they hear not seeing they see not neither do they understand..."

We believe in our Quran and it has the solution to all ur problems, u have the right to refuse, but the Quran is not comparable with the Bible. What kind of teaching do u want me to learn from the Bible? About how daugthers give their father wine and have sex with him? Genesis 19:33-35 About how a son had sex with his mother? Gen.35:22 How a father-in-law have sex with his daugther-in-law? Gen.38:15-18, How a brother rape his sister 2 samuels 13:10-14, How to kill men,women,children even animals are not spared. Joshua 6:21, how to massacre men and women, young and old then keep virgins. Numbers 31:17-18?

Sard: ^^^ fallacy! Islam is an arabic word that means submission, but NOT necessarily to God, as there are many other things an individual can submit to. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Islam Islam as a religion started many years after those prophets you forcefully claimed to be Muslims are long dead.

Salam in Arabic means peace, which is a root word for Islam and as u have said above Islam means submission, so u too know that the muslims submit their selves to One God in Arabic we call him Allah, just like Jesus called him as u say when he was on the cross, Ela,Ela can't u see? Does it sound like Jehova, Jehova? NO, does it sound like Jesus, Jesus? NO does it sound like Allah,Allah YES. Allah is the name of your lord and my lord, the lord of Moses, Jesus and Mohammad. If u so much hate Arabic and u don't want it call Islam, call it in any language and pls if u want to really know true Islam search for authentic Islamic sites like www.irf.com not anti Islam sites, because it is your right to know the truth.

Ajibam: they even go to their quran class with bible..
no one can do without the truth.. even atheists too.. they can't do without tge bible

What you don't understand is there has never been anything such as Christianity or Judaism, the sent messengers of God has always teach men to submit to one God (in Arabic is called Islam or a muslim) so all the prophets we believe them, but it the church's teaching that was added to the books and the founding people of christianity do away with verses and quotation that those not suit them, yet u can still find some verses that testify that all these prophets were muslims and practice of Islam is genuine.
So when I quote u the quran u will say "I don't believe in the quran so, we go out of our way to prove to you from what u believe, ur own book so what other prove do u want?

The holy Ka'bah built by prophet Abraham (pbuh) and his son Ishmeal (pbuh) is in Mecca
The name Mecca (Makkah) is mentioned in the Holy Quran in chapter 48:24. Another name for Mekka is Bakka, depending on the dialect of the tribe: this is also mentioed once in Surah 3:96 "Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing, and guidance for all people."
Amazingly enough, this word Bakka is mentioned by the prophet david (pbuh) in the Bible: "who passing through the valley of BACA make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools." Psalm 84:6. The well here is the well-known well of Zam-Zam, still present now, close to the Ka'bah; after thousands of years.

Emusan: Of course I saw it all but the same conclusion with you people is what I put
pull out.
Mintayo has tried enough to make it clear for you but the ability to open your mind and tell yourself the truth is a problem.





I see. If time and space could allow us to expantiate this 70/30 I believe 70 of it will be those verses that didn't support your book while the remain 30 will be those that do.

Anyway, the same thing happened in muhammad's time because he agreed that Bible contains a very dark prophecies. Sura 35:25 "And if they reject thee, so did their predecessors, to whom came their messengers with Clear Signs, Books of dark prophecies, and the Book of Enlightenment.

So keep living in dark prophecies of Bible while people have been helping you to put light on them. So that you won't end up the way Muhammad end his life.

Why do u take Jesus as a prophet now, when we call him a prophet u say he is not, but ur God.

Ok, since u believe now that Jesus is a prophet then u should understand that at the time of every prophet there is a prophecy of the next prophet and a testimony of the present prophet, so if at the time of Jesus people testify that he is the prophet of that time, then why does he have to say that there is another coming? And why do the people search for another prophet.

noblefada: Ok I think is about time I step into this and stop this confusion that has been raging for a long while now, when the answer is simply in the scriptures. Now let's go back and quote the scriptures and explain it: John 1:19-21 NKJV
Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" [20] He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." [21] And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No." which you rightly quoted above, but the messiah is the same as the prophet because if you guys had bothered to read the gospel of John further you would have seen it right there in the same book, quoting again from the same John: John 6:14 NKJV
Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."
You guys should stop this ur ignorant ranting and accept the fact that Mohammad (saw) was NEVER prophesied about in the bible. Shalom.

Brother, are u saying that John the baptist whom your bible testify that there has never been one born of a woman as great as John, does not know the difference between Elais, Christ and the prophet? I know that u know that the Jews and John were talking of 3 different people. Now because the answer of the question is going to be Mohammad u don't want to accept it rather u prefer to call Jesus know a prophet, your God? Please use your God given intelligent and accept the truth. I don't know what the spirit is doing to u that u can't make out the difference between 3 and 2 this is simple basic english but if u don't want to respect John and the bible then u can as well say that Elais, Christ and the prophet are the same. U read in english but u understand the opposite of it. Jesus prophesied about u people that claim u are following him, "hearing they hear not, seeing they see not neither do they understand" if u love and respect Jesus u will keep the laws and commandment as he said in Matt 5:17 and follow the last and final messenger of God Mohammad as Jesus said when HE(Mohammad) comes shall guide u into all truth... John 16:12-14. If u want to examine that the spirit Jesus is refering to is a man check 1John 4:1-2

[quote author=Mintayo]I think i am done with you,you actually didnt not disappoint me with ur quoting from d book of John,i said it before and really did it. Jesus was not refering to Mohammed who is a man and long dead...ur mohammed cannot do what Jesus said the Holy Spirit will do. Stop puting him there.
All prophets in the Bible are respected by christains,if u prophet is there,he wld v been duely recognized.
Now when you are talking abt prophecy,a prophecy shld be very clear and not shady and fraudulent like what you were doing.
For instance,the coming of Jesus was well prophesied in d OT:
His place of birth was prophesyd,His virgin Birth,His kind of birth,His kind of death,even His betrayal was well prophesyd...i cn go on with examples,even His name was seen in the OT,that is a prophesy,very clear and straightforward,not the kind which you guys are trying to do with the Bible...i don't knw why it is dificult for u guys to accept that ur prophet is not in the Bible.
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Ok can u please tell us who the prohecy is talking about. You have been trained to hate Mohammad (saw) and blackmail him, but he has the solution to all your problems: The Quran

John 16:12-14 Jesus said 'I have many things to say but u cannot bear it now, but when HE the spirit of truth is come HE will guide u into ALL truth ... Pls tell us one truth that Jesus did not say that the holy ghost came to say?

spencerwilliams: D fada is one,d son is one,d holy spirit is one(d trinity).It doesn't mata wat a pastor,bishop,evangelist nd d rest of dem may preach,wat we knw from wat d bible teaches us proves dat d holy spirit is ONE,nd der ought 2 b one doctrin irespectiv of wer u com from.rememba Jesus said i wil send u a comfota,take nt A COMFOTA,nt comfortas,so u see dat d holy spirit is one,rememba Jesus said i am d way d trut nd d lif,sometimes i wonda if dis diferent doctrines emanated from dat same early apostles dat wer in one accord breakin bread from hous 2 hous.but i don't tink so,2 find out about dis read d book of jud 1:4 nd u wil see wat d bible was talkin about certain men who turned d grace of God into licence for imorality.God bles u All.

When u stand out to look deep for the truth u will go a step further and understand that every tom , dick and harry claims to have the spirit and they are going different direction, so what u have to do is to use your God given intelligent and follow what Jesus himself said, when he talked of Comfoter he was actually talkimg about another person that will come after him and guide till dooms day and we all know that after Jesus the only man that received revelation from God is Mohammad, Jesus said in john 16: 12-14 that HE (Mohammad) is come he shall guide u into all truth... And we all know that is only a thing, event or person that has not come yet that u can prophesied. If a thing has been arounD u have no need of prophecy about it therefore the holysprit has been around so Jesus is not prophesizing it because he knows he has been using it, he is definately refering to that seal of the prophet that has not come then.