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Emusan: Well I'm not against this version.



I know, a dead man can't pray but where the dead a kept they can talk. You ignore verse two from this version.



Remember I didn't say fish didn't swallow up Jonah but Jonah died inside the fish and all this happened in the place of the dead.
Tha's why Jonah said it in verse 2 "out of the belly(inside of the fish) of sheol(hell-a place of the dead) cried I"


From original manuscript it wasn't 'a continous tense' it was 'a past tense' word. Is recent version that change it to continous tense. That's why I read all my Bible verses from King James Version direct translation from original scripts.



If Jonah soul was slipping away 'used as continous tense' he's still alive but if if his soul has slipped away 'used as past tense' then he isn't alive.



Ok I agree with you with this version but answer this question:
*was Jesus alive in the heart of the tomb? because he compared his miracle with that of Jonah.

If you read Amplified Bible version you will also see a similar account of that KJV.

Before I also think Jonah was alive not until I digested that chapter 2.

mazaje: I admit it might be all a lie. . .Since there isn't any evidence to show that 6 million people actually convert every year. . .You do not have any evidence of allah or any angle telling mohammed anything, all you have is just indoctrinated beliefs in some stories and that is where it ends. . .So stop acting as if its factual because is not. . .

arsenalwenger: Happy ramadan to my muslim brothers
and sisters. As most of us are aware,
there is a recent controversy on the
conversion of a pastor's daughter to
islam. However the father wants to
have the custody of his daughter even though she is old enough to take
personal decisions.
I would like my muslim brothers
\sisters to advise if it is approriate to
go back to her parents or take refuge
in a govt lodge (if her life is threatened) or remain in etsu nupe's
custody for her to practice her religion.
Moreover, is it islamic for a man who is
not the biological father of a lady to
marry off a lady to a man, even if the
biological parents object to it. Please i need a mature response.

vickyO: Every spirit means every prophet, really?? where did you get that definition?

Emusan: Yea; like what Jesus did about Muhammad.



Sure but do you know who the Holyghost is?



With what you put up here, I've never seen a confuse religion like this of yours.

Muslims are the one who will claim:

*Jesus is not the Son of God though they believe Jesus when He said, He will send their master but Believe not Jesus when He said He is the Son of the living God; He is the way, the truth, and the LIFE no one come to the Father exccept by Him.

*They believe Jesus' statement when He compared His miracle with that of Jonah but disbelieve Him when He Himself said He will die.

*They choose a verse that favour them in the Bible and call the rest Narrator's voice.

*They posted 101 contradiction verses in the Bible due to lack of understanding of the scripture, yet the same contradictory Book has been their back bone for the coming of their Master.

*They believe the Bible you and I are reading today has been copied right many times, due to this; people have inserted their own words into Bible but believe only those verses that favour them was not touched.

*They believe Christian and Islam serve the same God and believe God can't lie but still went ahead to reject this saying "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON HEAR HIM"

What a confuse set of people.

F00028: OU say he was crucified. YOU say he cried to God on the cross...and "Alah" is the aramaic word for "God".

Emusan: Very confuse set of people because their Quran said Jesus was not crucified they hold on to that Matt 12:39-40 when Jesus talks about the miracle of Jonah. They concluded Jesus didn't die whereas Jonah died in the belly of the fish. This very mahdino runaway away from very thread he created because of this issue.

basilico: @mahdino You say Jesus called out Allah on the cross Yet your quran says that Jesus was not crucified?

cescky: am not sure i reaaly grasped the whole of what you said but, the sumation of the laws of moses is what Jesus came to preach 1)LOVE (GOD WITH YOUR ALL YOUR MIGHT, MIND ETC AND THY NEIGBOUR AS THY SELF, BEACUSE IN LOVING THY NEIGBOUR, UR LOVING GOD, BECAUSE HE IS AN IMAGE AND DWELLING PLACE OF THE ALMIGHTY also a close obeservation of the laws of moses is simply laws that teach on displaying love in different ways
2)THE LAW OF FAITH

in other words the LAW OF LOVE AND THE LAW OF FAITH IS WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR OBEDIENCE(LIFE SPIRITUALLY) UNDER GRACE.

enilove: I was a muslim and I thank God Almighty who ,through His grace, removed me from hell fire which Islam promised every muslim.

I had arguments with the Jehovah witness on many issues regarding Christianity telling them the lies we were told, like saying that Jesus said he was going to send muhammed as a comforter.
I was surprised when they opened the Bible and we read John 14:16-17 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

They asked me whether muhammed was a spirit and was not seen by his followers as at that time physically walking with them as a human being.

From the above bible passage , it is said of the Holy Spirit that ,FOR HE DWELLETH WITH YOU AND SHALL BE IN YOU.
They asked whether Muhammed was dwelling with d apostles as at then since muhammed was born about 600 yrs after.
That Bible reference also says " it will abide with you for ever". They asked me whether muhammed is dead or abiding with the muslims for ever.
The Holy Spirit cannot be seen with the naked eyes.

How then can we be sure that the Holy Spirit that was promised came. Is there any Biblical record?I asked.

They opened their Bible to Acts 1:2-5, 8-9 KJV
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: [3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: [4] And, being assembled together with them , commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he , ye have heard of me. [5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. [8] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. [9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

JESUS REMINDED THE APOSTLES ONCE AGAIN from the above referenced passage.

The Biblical account of when the Holt Spirit came is this:
Acts 2:1-8 KJV
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. [5] And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. [6] Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. [7] And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? [8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Another lie from the pit of darkness which some muslims told themselves,to the detriment of their souls ,is that Adam was a muslim.
How can that be? For the quran says:
Muhammed was the first muslim in sura 6:14 ".......Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender unto him.".......
It also says in surah 7: 143 that it was Moses.
In surah 26:51 it tells us that it was some Egyptians.
In surah 2: 127 - 133 it says Abraham.
And finally in surah 2: 37 it misleadingly says it Adam.

Mind you ,all these references keep saying THE FIRST TO BELIEVE.

Am pleading to any muslim that is reading this thread to please forsake this arabian idol called Allah. Muhammed was an idol worshipper and is in hell.If you do not pray and ask your creator to direct you,if you die without accepting Jesus as your Lord and saviour,you will go straight to hell fire.

Also,not every Christian will go to heaven.It is only those that are holy,righteous and doing the will of our God in heaven.


You can only prophesied what is going to come in the future. You have to believe me that the holy ghost has been existing since the time of John the baptist and Jesus. So that is not what Jesus is talking about when he said "when the HE the spirit of truth is come HE shall guide u into all truth for HE shall not speak of himself, whatever HE hears HE shall tell u. HE shall glorify me. The word "HE" is a masculine pronoun refering to a MAN. Check 1st epistle of John 4:2 hereby know ye the SPIRIT of God: Every SPIRIT that confesseth that Jesus christ is come in the flesh is of God. Every spirit means every prophet. Mohammad (saw) brought a book tha is with us till eternity the Quran

Pls when u want to get the corect knowledge of a religion u go u the right sources not the anti sites. U said Allah is Idol? NO Allah is the name of your creator, the lord of Mose Jesus and Mohammad. Listen to Jesus u said when he was on the cross he shouted Eli, Eli lamasabaktani. Meaning my God my God...
Don't u see that Eli Eli sounds like Allah, Allah

vickyO: who told you Holy Ghost had been dwelling in the hearts of believers before then? God ministered directly to the Prophets and all there was then was Conscience, read the book of Acts 2 and you'll be clear on the fact that the comforter promised is the Holy Ghost, if it was mohammed, we'll have seen it in the Bible....... dont try to explain the Bible if you've got no knowledge of Christianiy.

Emusan: I'm fine by God's grace and you?



Eayahhhh, hope isn't too hectic?



No isn't like a grave, it is a grave indeed.



I know a, it a sepulchre



Once you believe the scripture about Joseph an Arimathaea then you should also believe it these:
Matt 27:64-66 "Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away,and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.

In verse 66 it was even the pharisees that employed those guards.

And with the discriptions of the Bible it shows that the sepuchre was far to the main city.



Is it by twisting HELL(sheol) the place of the dead to another thing? Remember you ask me to prove to you ealier why the Jesus' statement was not the same as Jonah's miracle. When I finally show it udatso begin to twist the word sheol. You also you can't get hebrew dictionary of King James version to see the real meaning of Hell used in the Old Testament. If you or udatso present this from either of the two and is different I will welcom your point.




Many mystery about God, Jesus, and Christian is over the world today but see what the Bible says;

1 Corin 3:10-13 10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

So the foundation has been laid even for people that misinterpreted the Bible and every man's work shall be tested by fire.
2Corin 2:17 "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."



Just provide me with the real meaning of sheol from hebrew dictionary or KJ Bible dictionary if you truely know that God hates lie.

Emusan: I was ban without any offence for my post above, I would've replied your post.


The best place to see the true meaning of the word SHEOL is King James Bible-KJ was original tranlation of Bible's word. Get a King James open the back and check Bible Dictionatry you'll see the real meaning of HELL there not what people have interpreted to suit their selfish interest. And if you search this on google "meaning of Sheol in hebrew or get Hebrew dictiontionary" I believe you will see the real answer rather than someone's interpretation (only if you're seaking for the truth sha)


All the prayers of Jonah was rendered in HELL He never alive. Even in a norm-sense is it possible for a man to pass through such conditions and still alive? Most Sceptic have used Jonah's story to counter Bible for unscientific accuracy that it's not possible for Jonah to survive they concluded it's a cook up story without study and understand the real message in that Book. Though some Christians Elders accept that Jonah was alive in the belly of fish when people are not well familiar with Hebrew Dictionary. but with the help of hebrew dictionary and Holyspirit Bible begins to get clearer to people.


When you and your co keep perambulating in one place he rest is case not because of what you think.



Well you're welcome Mr. Udatso but Jesus who has found my life, Who I can feel His presence of being alive through Holyspirit, who speak with me everyday can't allow that.

Jesus is still alive I can testify and boast on that with the help of the HOLYGHOST.

Shalom!

Emusan: You disappointed me with this your statement. So Muslim believe is a work of narration only a fact from Jesus while the rest of narrations are lies and not fact.

You know what you want....keep deluding yourself.



How did Jesus roll the great stone of the tomb?

Even for you to believe that Jesus was put in the tomb shows that you don't know what you're saying.

How can they put someone who was not nailed to the cross in a tomb?

Do they catch Jesus alive and put Him in the tomb(like bruried alive)? What can I call this self?



Remember samosata is not a Christian so he can't bear a good record of Christian, in his statement he try to mock christians but it's a great evidence that Jesus exists and crucified.

See many words of Jesus you ignored but hold on to only one just to justify your falsehood religion.

John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 14:15 if ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:22 if I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

John 4:24 God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Mathew 17:9 and as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 17 Therefor doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Who is the truth? Jesus!(John 14: 6 above) 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; naither came I of myself, but He sent me.

John 8:23-24 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath(Earth); I am from above(Heaven): Ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefor unto you, that ye shall die in your sins; for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
And many more of His words

I know you will still claim that they're narrators voice but anything that will make you accept Matt 12:39-40 you should also accept all this verses unelse you're an hypocrite.



I so much love the bold, now that you know Jesus can't lie or change his promise; how did you see all those quoted verses above?

I told you stop this brainwash of yours it looks rideculous "we(Muslim) believe......" hmm!

Jesus said He is the Son of God, you said no we believe He's a messanger of God.

Jesus said He will die and rise third day, you said no; We believe He didn't die but was taken to heaven

Is it the word of Jesus you should believe or what Muslim believe about Him after you know Jesus can't li
e?

Muslims believe Jesus was taken to heaven, is it Jesus who proceeded out from God and return to heaven you should believe or Muhammad who only received message from Allah, died, buried in the grave, and didn't rise?

Deprofessional: When I say Islam is a religion of terrorists, some idiots will insult me. Now a true moslem (not surprisingly a terrorist) has confirmed this.

We are watching them.

spywareczar: Most Christians ignorantly ask the question, 'why violence in Ramadan?'
Ramadan is the holy month of Muslims. It is a period when Allah catches all the Devils and bind em down. A true Muslim is not to offend Allah in this Month and I tell you bombing of Christians in this month by Muslims is not an offence to Allah. It(the bombings) is infact another way of helping Allah to bind the rest of the devils(Christians drinking). Allah himself sentenced Christians to death, Muslim terroristsare simply carrying out Allah's orders. So now tell me how it is an offence to Allah. Christians must not confuse what they see as an offence to God to be also an Offence to Allah.
The spiritualism of Islam is resident in its violence. When a sheik preaches violence, he ismore spiritual. When a sheik preaches peace, he has derailed. This Islam-spiritualising-violence is why anybody they kill, they call the will of Allah. Muslims listen to the tafsir this month from more spiritual(violently inclined) sheiks. Ofcourse Christians must pay with their lives. What Christians need do is: get ready for whatever anytime Muslims are drawing close totheir Allah.
May the souls of the Kano victims, through the Mercy of God, rest in peace.
Amen.

Deprofessional: When I say Islam is a religion of terrorists, some idiots will insult me. Now a true moslem (not surprisingly a terrorist) has confirmed this.

We are watching them.

spywareczar: Most Christians ignorantly ask the question, 'why violence in Ramadan?'
Ramadan is the holy month of Muslims. It is a period when Allah catches all the Devils and bind em down. A true Muslim is not to offend Allah in this Month and I tell you bombing of Christians in this month by Muslims is not an offence to Allah. It(the bombings) is infact another way of helping Allah to bind the rest of the devils(Christians drinking). Allah himself sentenced Christians to death, Muslim terroristsare simply carrying out Allah's orders. So now tell me how it is an offence to Allah. Christians must not confuse what they see as an offence to God to be also an Offence to Allah.
The spiritualism of Islam is resident in its violence. When a sheik preaches violence, he ismore spiritual. When a sheik preaches peace, he has derailed. This Islam-spiritualising-violence is why anybody they kill, they call the will of Allah. Muslims listen to the tafsir this month from more spiritual(violently inclined) sheiks. Ofcourse Christians must pay with their lives. What Christians need do is: get ready for whatever anytime Muslims are drawing close totheir Allah.
May the souls of the Kano victims, through the Mercy of God, rest in peace.
Amen.

spywareczar: Most Christians ignorantly ask the question, 'why violence in Ramadan?'
Ramadan is the holy month of Muslims. It is a period when Allah catches all the Devils and bind em down. A true Muslim is not to offend Allah in this Month and I tell you bombing of Christians in this month by Muslims is not an offence to Allah. It(the bombings) is infact another way of helping Allah to bind the rest of the devils(Christians drinking). Allah himself sentenced Christians to death, Muslim terroristsare simply carrying out Allah's orders. So now tell me how it is an offence to Allah. Christians must not confuse what they see as an offence to God to be also an Offence to Allah.
The spiritualism of Islam is resident in its violence. When a sheik preaches violence, he ismore spiritual. When a sheik preaches peace, he has derailed. This Islam-spiritualising-violence is why anybody they kill, they call the will of Allah. Muslims listen to the tafsir this month from more spiritual(violently inclined) sheiks. Ofcourse Christians must pay with their lives. What Christians need do is: get ready for whatever anytime Muslims are drawing close totheir Allah.
May the souls of the Kano victims, through the Mercy of God, rest in peace.
Amen.

Ayomivic: what is the objective of Christianity then? I think you should know that too.
Sorry to say .I doubt if Muhammed was a prophet because no prophet talked about his coming. Correct me if iam wrong.

Ezegozie: when i saw "SILLY" , i felt insulted.
But when i read more, i found out that your comment is very wise and well explained!

Ezegozie: saying that Prophet Mohammed marrying Aisha at the age of 9 is a fabricated story means two things.

(1) Either that you are not well informed of the religion you practice or
(2) you are not a real muslim

i expected you to defend the Mohammed story, since you claim to be a bonafide muslim but saying that it is a fabricated story means that you need to read the koran more.

Why not read this quotation (Sahih Bukhari vol. 7, 88) and know wether it is a fabricated story or not

bashdecash: Here are some of the Muslim victims of genocide throughout history

1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)

Emusan: The fact is for you to hold on to this verse alone shows that you don't want to accept the truth.



I think @Eben has explained this earlier, beside even Christians know that the death of Jesus Christ is different from ordinary human death because at Jesus death He went to grave and preach to the dead one's. Jonah prayed at the belly of the fish, Jesus preashed at the grave both happen through spiritual realm.



Wao! You call it narration from historian; see yourself the verse you quoted isn't it also a narration from historian?

You even Made mention about Mattew 12:39 but neglecting the beginning of the verse and you later call my quoted verses a narration! did you read the first phrase of that verse 39 at all?

Matt 12:39-40 "But He answered and said unto them.........

What does the above mean? Narrator's voice or Jesus' voice? According to mahdino.

An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly: shall the Son of man be three daysand three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH”.

The phrase "in the Heart of the Earth"..... Here Jesus didn't say He will go to heaven and then come back to die again. It means the miracle will happen in their presence which is the sign their looking for. This very verse has even nullified any argument against the death of Jesus Christ if you truly want to hear the truth.

Lastly, you boycott "Lucian of Samosata-statement" I posted above, why?

Eben 2: Dear Mahdino,

I believe I have shown you enough to open your eyes but i think I should point something very simple out for you: golgota is not the place Jonah prayed but "the place of the skull" where Jesus was cruxified.

I've given you more than 4 passages of the scriptures where Jesus Himself told you in plain words the manner of His death and you still insist in your ignorance to the extent of calling where Jonah prayed Golgotta (laffs)? I can only pray for you and I will.

"Golgotta of whale" indeed!!!

Emusan: The problem you and your co brethen have is that you always interpret to suite your fallacious statement. Please don't misguide yourself just because you want your claim to be right.



Thank God this statement came out from you.



Please point out the verse where Jesus said He will not die?

I have been trying to explain to u that Jesus said he is going to be like Jonah for as Jonah was aliv eso I will not die. What are u seeing when u read matt 12:38-40




See the same word from Jesus:

Matt 26:31 "Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

What does it mean to smite?
Remember when Jesus was cruxified His desciples fled.

38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

Notice the bold, now those are Jesus statement Himself that comfirm the death of Jesus.

Lastly, if I charge of an offence and I try to justify myself by saying I didn't commit the offence, it doesn't hold any evidence because I won't like seeing myself to rot in jail. So I may lie!

What if my best friend says I didn't commit the offence, well because he likes me and doesn't want to see me in jail, we can say he's lying.

What if my relatives say I didn't do it, they might also lie just because they might not want to see me sent to jail.

Finally, what if my worst enemy now says I didn't commit the offence, remember he will like seeing me rotten and perished in the jail; then I'm not guity of it.

What does this signify?

Jesus said He will die, mahdino and his brethen said it's a lie.

Emusan as a best friend of Jesus said my saviour died mahdino and his brethen said it's not true.

Jesus' desciple said their master died, with the evidence that include what mahdino quoted from yet mahdino and his brethen said it's a pure lie.

Then, one of the greatest enemy of Jesus Christ was Lucian of Samosata in his book he try to mock Jesus and his followers but this provide us with a great evidence of Jesus existence and his crucifixion, “It was then that he learned the wondrous lore of the Christians, by associating with their priests and scribes in Palestine. And—how else could it be?—in a trice he made them all look like children, for he was prophet, cult-leader, head of the synagogue, and everything, all by himself. He interpreted and explained some of their books and even composed many, and they revered him as a god, made use of him as a lawgiver, and set him down as a protector, next after that other, to be sure, whom 11 they still worship, the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world."

@bold-Samosata even recognises the remaining eleven desciples and stated it clearly Jesus was crucified.

Mahdino and his brethen what do you have to say about this?

Nobody is forcing you to accept Christian but always have it at back of your mind that Jesus died for you and I leave the story you've been told or implanted in your memory. Stop saying this is what Muslims believe about Jesus Christ it looks rediculous rather say this is what Christian claim but you can't just accept it.

Shalom!

Eben 2: I wonder how people can be so blind even when their eyes are wide open!! With all the evidences I gave above? What evidence do you have that Jesus was alive, alive, ALIVE in the heart of the earth? Or can you explain what happened at the golgotta in a better way since you are so sure he was alive, alive, ALIVE in the heart of the earth?

Ok, since you dont understand what Mat 12:39-40 is saying and you believe the words of Jesus is better than 500 and even a billion christian; let me give you (for the last time) a more vivid and clearer words of Jesus on his death: "For He shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: and they shall scourge Him, and put Him to death: and the third day He shall rise again" Luk 18:32-33; Mat 16:21; Luk 9:22; Mark 9:31; Mat 17:22-23.

He went through all these just for you and I. Halleluia! You also can experience what He gave me: peace, love and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Eben 2: Whoa! That Jesus was neither killed nor crucified is another twist in Islam effort in finding a way to castigate Jesus resurrection. I will give one more twist that Islam has apart from the one mentioned above and after explain what they don’t know or they know but refuse to believe.

But first, Matt 12:39-40 that is quoted above is self explanatory but the writer wanting to fabricate lies decided not to quote it in full. I will do that for him: “But He answered and said unto them. An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly: shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH”. So how would He have spent 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth if He didn’t die my brother? Jesus went to the heart of the earth and did not remain there but arose and ascended into heaven after showing Himself to over 500 people. Quran 3:55.

Another twist that Islam has to the death and resurrection of Jesus apart from the above is “Swoon”. A situation where people who have been thought dead suddenly come to life before burial. An explanation of over two hundred years old maintains that this is what happened. Jesus did not die on the cross (they say) but fainted or swooned from exhaustion. After this, He revived in the cool of the tomb and when He emerged the disciples wrongly jumped to the conclusion that He had risen from the dead! This explanation has come into prominence through a heretical sect of Muslims called the Ahmadiya who maintain that after Jesus escaped from the tomb, He eventually went to Kashmir. He then died at the age of 120. Notwithstanding, they have not been able to provide any historical evidence in this regard and their assertion is totally against quran 3:55 which says Jesus ascended into heaven (not that we need such assertion).

Is this so? Did Jesus really die on the cross or was He drugged? It is significant to find that the facts do not support this theory. Why and how?

First, the Roman soldiers knew their job well. It was more than their lives were worth to make a mistake when dealing with their chief victim. From Roman history we know a great deal about the Roman army and its military discipline. According to a Roman historian, the Roman guard was a sixteen man security unit, each man of which was trained to protect six square feet of ground. If one man in the guard failed in his duty, he was automatically executed along with the other fifteen. Members of such a guard were well aware of the punishment that awaited them all if just one fell asleep or left his position. In view of this, it seems incredible that the whole of the Roman guard fell asleep on duty at the same time.

Moreover, Pilate too would never have given permission for Joseph to bury the body of Jesus unless he was absolutely sure that he was dead. In fact, everyone (including the accusers) connected with the crucifixion agrees about one thing – Jesus was dead and they should know what happened because they were there.

Secondly, there is one detail that the Islam claims ignore. John in his Gospel tells us that one of the Roman soldiers pierced side of Jesus with a spear “bringing a sudden flow of blood and water” (John 19:34). This is the kind of detail which only an eye witness would notice. From a medical point of view, the reference to water is particularly significant. The most probable explanation of the blood and water is that given by Professor Rendle Short, late Professor of Surgery at Bristol University. He said and I quote: “As a result of the spiritual and physical agony endured by Christ, a condition of acute dilation of the stomach may have developed and the spear would draw watery fluid from the stomach and blood from the heart and great vessels of the thorax. Needless to say such a wound would be instantly fatal if the victim was not already dead, as indeed he was”.

Thirdly, If Jesus revived in the tomb, He must have been in an extremely weak condition. Before His crucifixion, He endured Roman flogging which left Him so week that He was unable, as was customary to carry His own cross. He was then crucified (the most painful death Roman ingenuity could device) and left to hang on the cross through the mounting heat of the day. After this, He was without food or water for three days! How then from inside a sealed and guarded tomb did He manage to move the huge stone that covered its entrance and escape from the guards outside? Then, how was it that in this extremely weak condition He was ever able to convince anyone that He was conqueror over death and the grave?
Over a century ago, Strauss, himself a sceptic, admitted this when he said: “it is impossible that a being who had stolen half-dead out of the sepulchre who crept out about weak and ill, wanting medical treatment, who required bandaging, strengthening and indulgence and who still at least yielded to His sufferings, could have given the disciples the impression that He was a conqueror over the death and the grave, the Prince of Life, an impression which lay at the bottom of their future ministry”.

Finally, if this Islamic assertion is correct, Jesus must have perpetrated a deliberate fraud by passing Himself off as one risen from the dead. This leaves us with a fraudulent Jesus, which is contrary to His KNOWN moral character and even more difficult to believe.

Now my friend, having given you the above explanations about the lies you have been fed with. It will do you good if only you would trust in the Lord Jesus, “the first and the last, who was dead and is alive” Rev 2:8. He alone has the key to life and death; He alone can deliver you from sin and its penalty. Ponder on the kind of suffering and anguish He went through so that you can be reconciled back to God. Repent and ask Him to come into your heart. Open your heart to Him today to experience His power. Do it and do it now!

Eben 2: Whoa! That Jesus was neither killed nor crucified is another twist in Islam effort in finding a way to castigate Jesus resurrection. I will give one more twist that Islam has apart from the one mentioned above and after explain what they don’t know or they know but refuse to believe.

But first, Matt 12:39-40 that is quoted above is self explanatory but the writer wanting to fabricate lies decided not to quote it in full. I will do that for him: “But He answered and said unto them. An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly: shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH”. So how would He have spent 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth if He didn’t die my brother? Jesus went to the heart of the earth and did not remain there but arose and ascended into heaven after showing Himself to over 500 people. Quran 3:55.

Please brother what are u reading? Where is your mind? Can't u reason? You are reading something and u are giving it a direct opposite meaning.
Jesus said the only sign (miracle) he can give them is that of Jonah for as Jonah was 3 days and 3nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of man be.
For 3 days and 3 nights Jonah was alive, alive, ALIVE in the belly of the whale. Jesus was alive, alive, ALIVE in the heart of the earth.
Jonah never die at any time during the tribulations
Jesus never die at any point during the tribulations
The word of Jesus is better than the words of not only 500 but even a billion christian.
If Jesus himself has said he is not going to die then to hell with the christian world. The words of Jesus the prophet of God is enough for us muslims

Another twist that Islam has to the death and resurrection of Jesus apart from the above is “Swoon”. A situation where people who have been thought dead suddenly come to life before burial. An explanation of over two hundred years old maintains that this is what happened. Jesus did not die on the cross (they say) but fainted or swooned from exhaustion. After this, He revived in the cool of the tomb and when He emerged the disciples wrongly jumped to the conclusion that He had risen from the dead! This explanation has come into prominence through a heretical sect of Muslims called the Ahmadiya who maintain that after Jesus escaped from the tomb, He eventually went to Kashmir. He then died at the age of 120. Notwithstanding, they have not been able to provide any historical evidence in this regard and their assertion is totally against quran 3:55 which says Jesus ascended into heaven (not that we need such assertion).

Is this so? Did Jesus really die on the cross or was He drugged? It is significant to find that the facts do not support this theory. Why and how?

First, the Roman soldiers knew their job well. It was more than their lives were worth to make a mistake when dealing with their chief victim. From Roman history we know a great deal about the Roman army and its military discipline. According to a Roman historian, the Roman guard was a sixteen man security unit, each man of which was trained to protect six square feet of ground. If one man in the guard failed in his duty, he was automatically executed along with the other fifteen. Members of such a guard were well aware of the punishment that awaited them all if just one fell asleep or left his position. In view of this, it seems incredible that the whole of the Roman guard fell asleep on duty at the same time.

Moreover, Pilate too would never have given permission for Joseph to bury the body of Jesus unless he was absolutely sure that he was dead. In fact, everyone (including the accusers) connected with the crucifixion agrees about one thing – Jesus was dead and they should know what happened because they were there.

Secondly, there is one detail that the Islam claims ignore. John in his Gospel tells us that one of the Roman soldiers pierced side of Jesus with a spear “bringing a sudden flow of blood and water” (John 19:34). This is the kind of detail which only an eye witness would notice. From a medical point of view, the reference to water is particularly significant. The most probable explanation of the blood and water is that given by Professor Rendle Short, late Professor of Surgery at Bristol University. He said and I quote: “As a result of the spiritual and physical agony endured by Christ, a condition of acute dilation of the stomach may have developed and the spear would draw watery fluid from the stomach and blood from the heart and great vessels of the thorax. Needless to say such a wound would be instantly fatal if the victim was not already dead, as indeed he was”.

Thirdly, If Jesus revived in the tomb, He must have been in an extremely weak condition. Before His crucifixion, He endured Roman flogging which left Him so week that He was unable, as was customary to carry His own cross. He was then crucified (the most painful death Roman ingenuity could device) and left to hang on the cross through the mounting heat of the day. After this, He was without food or water for three days! How then from inside a sealed and guarded tomb did He manage to move the huge stone that covered its entrance and escape from the guards outside? Then, how was it that in this extremely weak condition He was ever able to convince anyone that He was conqueror over death and the grave?
Over a century ago, Strauss, himself a sceptic, admitted this when he said: “it is impossible that a being who had stolen half-dead out of the sepulchre who crept out about weak and ill, wanting medical treatment, who required bandaging, strengthening and indulgence and who still at least yielded to His sufferings, could have given the disciples the impression that He was a conqueror over the death and the grave, the Prince of Life, an impression which lay at the bottom of their future ministry”.

Finally, if this Islamic assertion is correct, Jesus must have perpetrated a deliberate fraud by passing Himself off as one risen from the dead. This leaves us with a fraudulent Jesus, which is contrary to His KNOWN moral character and even more difficult to believe.

Now my friend, having given you the above explanations about the lies you have been fed with. It will do you good if only you would trust in the Lord Jesus, “the first and the last, who was dead and is alive” Rev 2:8. He alone has the key to life and death; He alone can deliver you from sin and its penalty. Ponder on the kind of suffering and anguish He went through so that you can be reconciled back to God. Repent and ask Him to come into your heart. Open your heart to Him today to experience His power. Do it and do it now!