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macof: So wats in the quran dat isn't in the Bible?

Didn't the Arabs copy Jewish concepts

No it's uncomparable and there is not a single copy.
People follow hearsay without really studying the Quran.

[quote author=Area_boy]How can you use this logic and still end up with your conclusion? I wonder how you religious folks do it.

This thread is about ironing out the problems existing with editing texts of "godly" origin and nothing to do with purporting your own religion.[/quote]I like the way u reason, but that will not let us deny the fact that there is the supreme God is perfect, that has created human beigns and the universe, have u ever wonder how the DNA of man works? It can't just happen like out of time. I believe u anything been edited or revised cannot be from him, but pls give the Quran a chance, read it and reason the book was brought up by someone who cannot read and write over 1400 yrs ago, today brother I challenge u to come up with an establish fact that is contrary to what the Quran said 1400 yrs. Pls present it so we can reason.
I like people that think and refuse to be zombies. Deep from my heart accept my CONGRATULATION

anochuko01: if its dis same FAKE BIBLE a chronic armed robber lyk SHINA RAMBO read and was saved nd has bcome a preacher, if its this same bible KENETH HAGIN read and was healed 4rm an incurable blood disease and stroke, if its dis same FAKE BIBLE reinhard bonke reads that made a shop attendant to say "i see Christ in your eyes", if its this same FAKE BIBLE pst adeboye reads dat makes him av a VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD,if its dis same versions of bible kumuyi reads dat makes God do wndrs thru him....and if its dis same versions of d bible i'v been readin dat made me born again and even recievd the baptism of the Holy Spirit dat was promised thousands of yrs ago...tell me, wch original one do you want me to luk 4?
These versions of the bible are tested and certified because by His power, God is performing great signs nd wonders thru them.
"a buk is fake yet a child reads it and had A1 in his exam...abeg wat will the original produce again. Panadol is fake yet it cured my head ache...pls wch othr work will d original do"

i tell u the truth, NO OTHER BOOK gives you a PERSONAL, INTIMATE AND LIVING RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD other than d bible! It has bn tested nd trustd, even by me! GRAB UR COPY NOW!

There are so many people around the world that worship fire, spirits and will testify to u that their life has been changed, does that mean they are right? No, leave the false peace and embrace true peace. Embace the last testament, full of wisdom a guidance to mankind the Glorious Quran

Pastor Kun: @mahdino

A lot of the write up you have up here are just lies mis representations and propaganda to create the impression that muslims are being persecuted whilst in fact it is the other way round. I put it to you that 99% of the cases you mentioned above were muslims were killed were actually revenge killings/reprisal attacks against muslims. In all the cases you mentioned, if you go back to history you would confirm that the problem was always started by the jihadist who were bent on spreading islam by the sword. On the issue of half of slaves taken to america being muslims, apart from the fact that arab muslims took more slaves out of Africa(Majority of whom died crossing the sahara desert) there is no way any of the slaves taken to america could have been muslim as the slave trade to america was done mostly with African societies along the west African coast line. Given the fact that Islam did not reach these parts of west africa until after uthman danfodio's jihad in the nineteenth century when the slave trade was rounding up, there is absolutely no way a significant number of slaves taken to america could have been muslims.

Can u see yourself? U are close to been a zombie, I am sorry but I mean someone that is controled. I am giving u facts with figures but because u only believe in what u want, shamelessly u are denying. I have giving u more than a dozen facts and u are talking of slave trade, don't u know it was the Portugese that started it? The dates are there u can google it. U are talking of Islam spread by the sword, u Christians cannot decieve anyone again that Islam was spread by the sword. Today, which sword is use when thousands and thousands of people are accepting Islam in Europe, America and Asia. Which sword?

alexis: They are confused. Whenever you present the truth - they tell you it's not authentic. They say the Bible is corrupt, yet they don't have a copy of the uncorrupt one. It's a direct tactic of lying and playing stu.pi.d.

If only u can research and reson with logic, u don't need a muslim to tell u that the bible is corrupt, all the gospels tells u that Jesus went to places and preached the gospel, now ask yourself when he was preaching did he have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John under his arms? All of these Matt, Mk, Lk and john were wrritten decades after his death. Why do u say the gospel according to Matt, Mk, Lk and John? Do u know that it is just a compaliation of historians that associated it to these people, that is why it is according to, and in inverted commas. Read Matt: 9:9 u will understand that it is not God, Jesus nor Matthew that is talking, someone is narrating a story. Produce the gospel of Jesus not that one that any tom, dick and harry can edit or revise. Infact do u know why u have the king James version? I am sorry, remove sentiments and follow the last prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) and the last testament.

ummsulaym: this world is like hell to the believers and like jannah(paradise) to the unbelievers...

Wa'Allahu a'alam

People only talk on things they like, they don't talk about
1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were Molested.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

Mintayo: very insightful,and straightforward.
We all know that the truth will always stand,it is when what you believ in is a lie that you then use force to retain it...islam was spread by force and violence.
Someone said sometimes i go and i quote" the killing in the muslim countries will not stop,because the blood of the innocents butchered by mohammed and his followers are crying for vengeance".
May God help us!

Your people are always responsible for all, by the way Is it Jesus that thought u?

1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were Molested.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

mustang44: DO WE LOOK LIKE BABIES TO YOU? YOU CANNOT DECEIVE ANYBODY HEAR OH! WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE FIRST MAN AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FORMATION OF A BABY IN THE WOMB. JUST ACCEPT THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTED THE BIBLE WHEN IT SAID MAN WAS CREATED FROM A CLOT OF BLOOD AND IT SELF WHEN IT LATER SAID MAN WAS ALSO CREATED FROM DUST TOO.

I'm not trying to fool u, I am talking of scietific facts that have been proven. The first creation of man, Adam was form dust but the procreation is through reproduction, know scientist has proven that all the composition of a human body is found inside the earth (dust). U came out from your mothers womb why is it that after u have come out from your mothers womb u can go back. So also the fact that the first man Adam was created from dust his chidren cannot go back to that type of creation. I don't know if I have answered u question.

basilico: NL MEMBER beat that dog to death a few months ago. Quran says jesus was not crucified but also says he called out Allah on the cross.try another lie. And that 'correction' from came about 600 years later and the person who corrected it had 16 wives besides a harem of concubines. Who to believe. A paedophile or scrolls that exist today?

Pls what is the spirit doing to u that u can't understand simple basic english?
I am proving to u from your book, but u still can't get it

basilico: Does the quran not say Jesus was not crucified? And yet called Allah on the cross?

Pls go back to my quotation. I said "when u said he was on the cross..." He called Allah. Ask any Jew what is the name of God and he will tell u in the language of Jesus Elo or Eli or Ela which will all sound like Allah, that is the name of your lord

turnstoner: O.k., @owolee.

Tell us who is responsible for :

the Westgate siege in Kenya

Boko haram violence in Nigeria

taliban violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan

Moslem brotherhood violence in Egypt

Violence in Chechnya

Shia/ Sunni violence in Iraq

9/11 attacks in Newyork

Alshabab violence in Somalia

Religious violence in Kaduna state/ Plateau states of Nigeria

Uprising in Mali

London underground bombing in 2005

Ache bombings


.. which one have i missed?

Is this all u have?
Ok pls you should tell us who is responsible for these?

1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)[/quote]

Ray McBlue: Who needs Satan, when they have a god like Allah?

I think u have forgotten the name of the lord of Jesus, u said when he was on the cross he shouted Eli, Eli ... Meaning my God my God, can't u see that it sounds like Allah, Allah

Allah is most loving, most merciful most forgiving the lord of Moses Jesus and Mohammad. That is why he loves u and forgive u without killing or sacrificing anybody. Not like ur god who is looking for blood or sacrificing someone.

NL member: Jesus never said he was a muslim in the bible. If the criteria for being a muslim is simply keeping beards and washing feet then the shahadah will not be compulsory. There will be no need to declare that allah is the only god and muhammed is his messenger, that means jews and christians will also be muslims even if they don't believe in the prophethood of muhammed.
Jesus wasn't a muslim

Yes Jews and Christians can also be muslims if they believe in one God and the prophet of that time. U see in the book of John 17:3 Jesus said for u to get salvation or eternal life is just to believe in one God and Jesus the prophet of God, if u translate it in arabic it will be ashadu an lailaha illah wa ashadu an Isa rasulullah.

NL member: Why do you copy the christians by calling muhammed the way the truth and the life?
Isn't it against islamic tenets to copy unbelievers?

Anyway muhammed never called himself those things so you are practising bidiah.

About ablution; you guys have chosen the hadith method of ablution over the quran method so you are indirectly putting muhammed's orders over allah's orders.

I am just trying to explain to u what it means in a way u know and would simply understand. The fact that a mad man keeps walking and laughing on the street saying that God is one, that does not means because a mad man says God is one u will say no. Every prophet of God is send to guide his people to eternal life. Whether he says it like his predecesor or in a different form.
Why do u call yourself an unbeliever? Well, u can call urself an unbeliever, but do u know that Jesus was a muslim, a muslim in arabic means someone who submits his will to God and we know Jesus said " I speak not my will but the will of who has sent me..., he kept beards just like the muslim, he was circumcised just like the muslims, he believes in one in one God just like a the muslims not three in one, he falls on his face and prays to God just like the muslims, he washes his head and feet just like the muslims, Jesus is a muslim

NL member: You guys need to decide on what to follow, you either follow the quran which you claim to be th word of allah or you follow the hadith.
Why do you abandon the method of ablution prescribed in the quran to follow what your prophet said instead?

It is very clear in the Quran. Allah said follow Allah and his messanger... When u follow the prophet of God u are indirectly following God. The prophet explains to u in details how to follow God. God will not come down or start to explain to u every nook and crany. Let me give u an example. In the Quran Allah said Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messanger and they both eat food... Now u see its just a sentence, but u should know that anybody or thing that eat must go to toilet, therefore Jesus and his Mother eat food, go to toilet, so they cannot be ur God. U are suppose to reason from that simple short versee, God will not start to explain to u the way I am talking to u. He has already given u a sense of reason. That is why God send down the prophets to explain to u.
At the time of Moses he explain and showed the way to salvation to the Jews, so at the time Noah he showed them the way to God and salvation. All of them, at the time of Noah he was the way the truth and the life, at the time of Abraham he was the way the truth and the life, at the time of Moses he was the way the truth and the life, at the time of Jesus he was the way the truth and the life, this is the time of Mohammad he is the way the truth and the life.

donroxy: tell me the area which is too technical for your brain ...?

I will break it down for ya ....

Thank u bro

NL member: I tire for these people o, their quran says one thing and their prophet says something else.

Not at all, the point is that Jesus just like Mohammad washes his hands, heads and feet, then why is it that u christiAns don't do it? Obviously u don't follow Jesus, u just claim to

Brimmie: [size=16]Was it stated that these parts should be washed/wiped 3 times each?? [/size]

In the glorious Quran Almighty Allah said we should wash those parts, so once u wash it it is OK, it must not be 3 times. The important thing is we should wash it.

NL member: The Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their prayers at least five times a day having
first cleansed themselves by washing
( ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam.

Maybe ablution in Islam has its roots in Zoroastrian practices.

No brother, God comanded all the prophets to perform ablution even Jesus in the new testament perform ablution by washing his face, hand, head and feet.

alexis: I am setting up this thread in the religious section (Not under the Islam section) because the moderator for the Islam section hides many of my posts whenever he fells it is necessary. To that effect, I want to discuss an important subject that most people either evade, try to be politically correct about of just too scared to talk about -

I will be talking about the persecution of Christians across the Islamic world. I will be examining recent incidents from across a wide geographical spread, from Morocco to Nigeria to Indonesia-and even sometimes in Western Europe & North America. I will also be delving back into the past to consider the treatment of Christians under Muslim rule from the time of the earliest Islamic conquests.

Christians are being persecuted in Muslim countries today for the same reasons as in the past centuries. And the patterns of persecution-the same motivations, the same actions, and the same horrific results-recur in countries as different as Kenya and Denmark. Those patterns, I will demonstrate, emerge from themes in the Koran, in Islamic theology, in Sharia law, and in Islamic culture.

I will be touching on the large numbers of Christians in Egypt-according to the baptismal records of the Coptic orthodox Church, there are some 16 million Christian Copts in Egypt-prompt regular bursts of anti-Christian persecution. Indeed, as one of the oldest and largest Muslim nations, with one of the oldest and largest Christian populations, Egypt is a kind of paradigm of Islam's treatment of Christian-both in the present and going back more than 13 centuries.

In sub-Saharan countries where Christians often make up half or even more than half of the entire population, persecution gives way to genocidal jihads as Muslims in these countries try to purge their lands of any trace of the "infidel." Nigeria, for example is experiencing appalling violence; the accounts of persecution are only the tip of the iceberg of Christian suffering in Africa. In Nigeria, where Christians make up nearly half the population, we are being offered a rare glimpse of early Islamic history repeating itself, as Muslims use violence to subjugate or kill very large numbers of non-Muslims in the name of Islam and through offensive jihad. That is the true story of Islam's spread from Arabia.

Why am I focusing on the Muslim persecution of Christians? The fact is, while it is true that Christians are also being persecuted in non-Muslims countries, the lion's share of the persecution happens in Muslim countries. But there is another important point: Muslim persecution is much more existential and deeply rooted in Muslim societies. The persecution of Christians in other, mostly communist, nations is very real. It should never be minimized. But the overthrow of, say, the North Korean regime could well end the persecution of Christians over there almost overnight-just as the fall of the Soviet Union saw Christian's persecution come to a quick close in Russia. This is because the persecution of Christians in non-Muslim nations is almost always rooted in secular ideology and tied to a particular political regime. On the other hand, Muslim persecution of Christians is perennial; it transcends any one regime. It is part and parcel of the Islamic religion and the civilization born of it-hence it's tenacity. Thus, the persecution of Christians in the Muslim world is not only a widespread phenomenon that has horrific effects on large numbers of human beings across the globe; it is also a discrete phenomenon, deserving attention in it's own right.

I want to engage Muslims, Christians and anyone interested in this thread to be patient and follow what I have to say and the research I have done on this subject.

Thanks

Here are some of the Muslim victims of genocide throughout history

1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)

damilarelr: Watch out for my next post..,you will see how decision or swearing to keep commandments can put one into a dangerous position. By the way you could have pass your comment without telling another person to shut up.

Friend, I'm sorry if the words sshush hurt u, I don't mean it, just tried to pull ur attention.
Pls my friend let's be straight, the fact that Jesus said and even emphasize that u should keep the laws and commandments for u to get salvation(Matt:5:17-20), then u have to keep it if u want salvation. Jesus is the master u have To follow him. If u follow Jesus, keep the laws and commandments u will see that Jesus was a muslim.

damilarelr: Did you notice anything? Jesus first gave her the gift of NO CONDEMNATION.....before He told her to go and sin no more!

Today, people have it the other way round! They tell people to '...go and sin no more....before assuring them that Jesus will not condemn them'!

When Paul had struggles with sin...(Rom 7:19-25), ...he first received the gift of NO CONDEMNATION...(Rom 8:1)....before he was made free from the LIFESTYLE of sin and death! (Rom 8:2).

Listen: when Jesus told the woman to GO and sin no more.....He was NOT warning her! Hmmm.....He was EMPOWERING her! And this empowerment came by first releasing unto the woman the gift of NO CONDEMNATION!

The Truth is this: It is ABSOLUTELY impossible to live under Grace.....and be dominated by sin!

'For sin shall NOT have dominion over you...for ye are NOT under Law..but ye are under Grace'! (Rom 6:14).

It is only when you are under Grace that sin cannot have dominion over you!

Hmm...I'm sure you have been blessed by these series of teachings on what Jesus wrote on the Ground. Never forget....that no matter the sinful addictions battling your life....the power to sin no more lies in your knowledge that you can never come under CONDEMNATION because of the finished work of Christ for you! Hallelujah!

Sshush, u are just beating. Around the bush, concocting, formulating and propagating a false and man made religion. U don't know what Jesus wrote. Jesus said u should keep The commandments in Matt : 5:17 that is salvation.

mahdino: Summary of lecture delivered by Dr. Zakir Naik

Misconception # 1: It is not civilized to have more than one wife at a time.

Reply: The only religious book that says: "... then marry only once" is the Quran, the holy book of the Muslims. This injunction is not found in the Christian Bible in the Hindu Geeta, or in the Jewish holy book etc. In the Bible there are so many references to various prophets and kings who had numerous wives. Abraham had three wives, while King Solomon had seven hundred wives, etc. In the Hindu literature the various gods have hundreds of wives. Krishna had one thousand women and concubines. Similarly, the Jews used to marry more than once, till as late as the 1950s. None of these faiths regulated the number of wives a man could have at a time. Only Islam limits the wives to four.

The monogamy that the Christians, the Hindus, and Jews practice today, is not from their religion, but from their government. So the issue of monogamy has no religious significance; it is a man-made rule. Monogamy was the result of an act of parliament, not their faith. Example: The Indian Parliament in 1954 passed the Hindu Marriage Act prohibiting the Hindu male from taking up more than one wife. The Jewish Rabbis in the 10th Century AD made monogamy a rule, although it was not enforced till as late as the 1950s. Similarly, the European countries and the American government passed laws to make monogamy the rule in their lands some time ago. Mormons still marry more than once.

In Surah Nissah God allows a Muslim to marry, one, two, three or four women as long as he can do justice between them. If the man can't do justice, the exhortation for him is: "... then marry only once".

Marrying more than once is not compulsory, but only an option to tide over unique circumstances that societies face from time to time. You will find in many societies today that the ratio between females and males is not 50:50. There are more females than males in Europe, USA and elsewhere. On the other hand, in India, because of the rampant female fetus abortions, the number of females is dropping, and a crisis is in the making, as not enough number of females will be available for Hindu men to marry a few years from now.

The option for women in countries with a bigger female ratio than male is to share a husband with another women, to remain single, or to become public property. "Become public property" is a decent phrase I'm using for what it really means. Ask any woman who cannot find an unmarried man to marry, if it is a better choice to share a husband with another woman, to remain single, or to become a mere mistress. As a lawfully wedded wife she will get the same right as the first wife, get legal status for herself and her children, get inheritance rights for herself and her children, and most importantly, get respect and dignity. Becoming a mistress is no choice. In the West becoming a mistress or a girlfriend is no problem, but becoming a second wife is totally unacceptable. The government will come after you, the society will come after you...

Misconception # 2: There is no equality between genders in Islam, as Islam gives men the right to have more than one wife, but does it not give the same right to women to have more than one husband.

Reply: Islam does not approve of polyandry, i.e., a woman taking up more than one husband. It is the male whose children the women bear. If a woman had multiple husbands, it would not be easy to know who is the biological father of the child. When a child is conceived, God puts love and affection in the hearts of the parents so that they can bring up the child. Without this love, life cannot be sustained. But if there was dispute about who really has fathered the child, there would be no love in the heart of the fathers. Psychologists say that children who grow up without knowing who their father is, are lacking in stability and maturity. These days because of scientific progress in DNA testing, one can say who the father is; but these tests were not available for mankind till now. Islam has historically provided for peace and stability in the family, not discord.

Misconception # 3: Islam subjugates women in a veil.

Reply: If you look at history, to ancient civilizations, you will find that women were the oppressed people. They had no individual merit. The Babylonians used to punish the woman for her husband's mistakes. The ancient Egyptians did the same. Ancient Arabs buried their newly born daughters.

It was Islam that uplifted the status of women. It gave women rights they never had before. Surah Nissah exhorts believing men to lower their gaze if a lady is passing by. Similarly, there are exhortations for women to lower their gaze if strange men are around. The Quran also speaks about the hijab for men and women to protect the modesty. The hijab for men is to cover their bodies minimally from their navel to the knees. The hijab for women is to cover their whole bodies except for their faces and hands below their wrists. There are descriptions for a female hijab, that it should cover the endowments including head, not be tight, not be transparent, not be like the clothes of non-believers, and not be like the clothes of the other gender, etc. Women got the right to own, inherit property, and to dispose it of at will.

Let me ask you a question: Suppose two identical twin sisters are walking down a street, and one of them is dressed in revealing clothing, while the other one is wearing a hijab. Who will be boys in the street whistle at or tease: the one who is scantily dressed in a mini-skirt, or the one who is modestly attired? The answer is obvious. The hijab is designed to prevent women from being molested. It brings peace to society and prevents mischief.

Misconception # 4: Capital punishment is barbaric.

Reply: There are crimes for which Islam prescribes capital punishment, e.g. for rape, murder etc. This is to protect society from criminals and anti-social elements. In USA there are 2713 rapes taking place every day. In Islam, the penalty is to award the death penalty so that the criminal is not around to repeat this crime, and to teach others a lesson. Americans say that this is a severe punishment. They say that the rapist must be put in jail for the first rape. If after his release he rapes again, then it is ok to put him to death. Friends, statistics in USA show that 95 percent of the rapists, after release from jail, rape again. Islam prevents this second rape. Following the Hijab dress code prevents the rapist from temptation to rape.

Misconception # 5: Islam was spread by the sword.

Reply: Nothing is far from the truth. It was the Islamic traders who served as excellent role models in the spread of Islam. In the book: "Islam at crossroads", the author, on page 8, says that this belief is a myth. Look at the number of Coptic Christians in Egypt. They number 14 million. Couldn't the Arabs have wiped them out or forcefully converted them to Islam? Look at India. In the 1,0000 years that the Muslims ruled over this subcontinent, every one could have been forcefully converted to Islam. How can you explain that there are 800 million Hindus and others still in India? Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia to convert them? These people converted by seeing the good behaviors of the Muslim/Arab traders. Readers' Digest says that between 1944 and 1984, a period of 50 years, saw more conversion to Islam in Europe and USA than to any faith. I am asking you, who went with a sword to convert these people to Islam? It is the sword of the intellect that converts people.

Misconception # 6: Muslims are fundamentalists.

Reply: What is the definition of the word fundamentalist? The dictionary says anyone who understands the basics of a discipline is a fundamentalist. Can you call yourself a mathematician if you can't understand the fundamentals of mathematics? No! Similarly, to be called a scientist, you must understand the fundamentals of science. There can be a positive fundamentalist and a negative fundamentalist. A thief/robber who is an expert at the fundamentals of robbing is bad; but a doctor who knows the fundamentals of healing is good. I submit that no fundamentals of Islam are against humanity. How can you be a good Muslim if you do not understand the fundamentals of Islam? How can you practice Islam? According to the Webster's dictionary, the word fundamentalist was first used on Christians; however, the new Oxford dictionary lists Muslims as fundamentalists.

Every Muslim should understand the fundamentals of Islam, and should be a fundamentalist. I am proud to call myself a 'Muslim Fundamentalist'. I submit that every Muslim should be a terrorist. Just as the policeman strikes terror in the heart of the thief, so should every Muslim strike terror in the heart of the thief, the rapist and other anti-social elements!

The word fundamentalist is open to wide interpretation, just like the word freedom fighter. In olden days, the British would label those Indians fighting for India's freedom as terrorists; while for the Indians, these were freedom fighters.

Misconception # 7: Muslims are ruthless non-vegetarian people.

Reply: God has granted Muslims the choice to be vegetarians as well as non-vegetarians. He has ordained in the holy book that everything that he has created in this world is for the enjoyment/pleasure of man (with certain restrictions and limits). It is ok for a Muslim to be a vegetarian by choice; it is also ok for him to be a non-vegetarian by choice.

Science tells us that animal flesh is a complete protein food. It is easier to digest than the vegetarian food. If you look at the teeth of carnivorous animals like a tiger or a lion they are sharp and pointed, designed to tear flesh. The tiger and lion can eat only flesh; they cannot digest leaves and grass. On the other hand, the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow and camel are flat. Designed to chew grass and leaves. These herbivorous animals can't digest flesh. But if you examine the teeth of human beings, they are both canine i.e. sharp and pointed, as well as flat. Therefore human beings can chew both vegetarian foods as well as non-vegetarian foods. Humans can digest plant foods as well as flesh. This ability to enjoy and digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food is a gift of God to humans.

Hindu scriptures permit the eating of flesh. In fact, their books are replete with incidents showing festivals and ceremonies where meat was served. When Jainism and Buddhism started to become popular with their philosophies of ahimsa, i.e., non-violence towards animals, and started to win converts from Hindus, the Hindus priests adapted the same philosophy of ahimsa to win back those who had left the Hindu fold. This is how Hinduism changed over to vegetarianism.

If no one eats meat the number of cattle will be uncontrollable. It will be a big problem about how to dispose of them.

Misconception # 8: Muslims eat animals and behave like animals.

Reply: There is a saying that you are what you eat. Muslims eat only herbivorous animals (animals that eat only plants, grass, leaves etc). These animals are peaceful animals, like goat, lamb etc. Therefore, we are peaceful people. Muslims are prevented from eating carnivorous animals, i.e. animals that eat other animals. The holy prophet has prohibited us from eating snakes, lizards, cats, dogs, birds of prey etc.

Some non-Muslims say that allowing slaughtered animals to bleed to death is torturing the animals. It is better to behead them in one quick shot on the neck. Some Muslims' response to this is that the non-Muslims attach the animals from behind, like cowards; while Muslims confront the animal in a manly manner, face-to-face, from the front. Of course this is not a good reason; it is only a joke.

Scientific tests have proven that when the animal's throat is slit along with the windpipe and the vein (without damage to the spinal cord), the animal dies a painless death. The animal twitches its legs, it is not because of pain but because the heart has pumped out all the blood from the legs. It is this twitching of the lags, this thrashing about of the dying animal that leads the non-Muslim to believe that the animal is in pain. Blood carries toxins and impurities that are harmful for humans. Islam prohibits the eating/drinking of blood. Meat without blood lasts longer than meat with blood in it.

Misconception # 9: Going around the Kabah is idol worship.

Reply: No religion is more vocal in condemning idol worship than Islam. The Muslims do not worship Kabah, only God, or Allah. While circumambulating the Kabah they chant: La Illa Ha Ill-lal-lah. (There is no object worthy of worship but Allah).

The Kabah is for unifying Muslims at prayer. It would be chaotic if Muslims prayed in any direction they chose. The Kabah provides a chance to unify in prayer as all Muslims face one spot, the Kabah. Throughout the globe people from various countries face North, South, East and West only to face the Kabah. When the Arabs drew the map of the globe, they put Makkah in the center; but when the Western people gained power, they put Greenwich in the center. But if you look at the map, Makkah continues to be in the center of the globe even today. Alhamdulillah!

Some accuse Muslims to be idol worshippers because they kiss the black rock at Kabah. This they do only because they saw the prophet do it. The black stone has no power to benefit or harm you. In olden times, the call to prayer was given by standing on the top of Kabah. If Muslims were idol worshippers, would they stand on top of their 'idol' and call people to pray. Does a Hindu or a Christian stand on top of their idols and call others to join in the worship?

Misconception # 10: Muslims are wrong in preventing non-Muslims from visiting Makkah.

Reply: Allah has prohibited this. Makkah is not a place of tourism, but a place of reverence and worship. A non-Muslim has no reverence for Makkah, and therefore should not be there as a mere spectator.

Although I am an Indian, I can't go to the cantonment area in Bombay where the military is based. I need a special permit. Similarly, all countries have their own rules to allow visitors in. Applicants must meet certain conditions insisted on by the host country. I had to meet the conditions of the US Government to visit USA. Similarly, there are conditions to visit Makkah. The condition is: You must recite from your heart "La illa-ha-ill-lal-lah, Mohammed-ur rasul Allah" (I bear witness that there is no object worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah).

Misconception # 11: Muslims wrongly don't eat pork

Reply: God has prohibited pork. There are several references even in the Bible where swine meat is prohibited. Science has associated 70 diseases with swine meat, the most dangerous being tapeworm, for which there is no cure. It causes irreparable damage to the insides of human beings. Even if a pig has been raised on a farm and its flesh is cooked very well at high temperatures, certain germs never die. The pig is a filthy animal; it eats human excreta. It has to protective instinct for its female. It is a shameless animal. Therefore people who eat its flesh, have no shame if their females mate with other men.

More to come

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Summary of lecture delivered by Dr. Zakir Naik

Misconception # 1: It is not civilized to have more than one wife at a time.

Reply: The only religious book that says: "... then marry only once" is the Quran, the holy book of the Muslims. This injunction is not found in the Christian Bible in the Hindu Geeta, or in the Jewish holy book etc. In the Bible there are so many references to various prophets and kings who had numerous wives. Abraham had three wives, while King Solomon had seven hundred wives, etc. In the Hindu literature the various gods have hundreds of wives. Krishna had one thousand women and concubines. Similarly, the Jews used to marry more than once, till as late as the 1950s. None of these faiths regulated the number of wives a man could have at a time. Only Islam limits the wives to four.

The monogamy that the Christians, the Hindus, and Jews practice today, is not from their religion, but from their government. So the issue of monogamy has no religious significance; it is a man-made rule. Monogamy was the result of an act of parliament, not their faith. Example: The Indian Parliament in 1954 passed the Hindu Marriage Act prohibiting the Hindu male from taking up more than one wife. The Jewish Rabbis in the 10th Century AD made monogamy a rule, although it was not enforced till as late as the 1950s. Similarly, the European countries and the American government passed laws to make monogamy the rule in their lands some time ago. Mormons still marry more than once.

In Surah Nissah God allows a Muslim to marry, one, two, three or four women as long as he can do justice between them. If the man can't do justice, the exhortation for him is: "... then marry only once".

Marrying more than once is not compulsory, but only an option to tide over unique circumstances that societies face from time to time. You will find in many societies today that the ratio between females and males is not 50:50. There are more females than males in Europe, USA and elsewhere. On the other hand, in India, because of the rampant female fetus abortions, the number of females is dropping, and a crisis is in the making, as not enough number of females will be available for Hindu men to marry a few years from now.

The option for women in countries with a bigger female ratio than male is to share a husband with another women, to remain single, or to become public property. "Become public property" is a decent phrase I'm using for what it really means. Ask any woman who cannot find an unmarried man to marry, if it is a better choice to share a husband with another woman, to remain single, or to become a mere mistress. As a lawfully wedded wife she will get the same right as the first wife, get legal status for herself and her children, get inheritance rights for herself and her children, and most importantly, get respect and dignity. Becoming a mistress is no choice. In the West becoming a mistress or a girlfriend is no problem, but becoming a second wife is totally unacceptable. The government will come after you, the society will come after you...

Misconception # 2: There is no equality between genders in Islam, as Islam gives men the right to have more than one wife, but does it not give the same right to women to have more than one husband.

Reply: Islam does not approve of polyandry, i.e., a woman taking up more than one husband. It is the male whose children the women bear. If a woman had multiple husbands, it would not be easy to know who is the biological father of the child. When a child is conceived, God puts love and affection in the hearts of the parents so that they can bring up the child. Without this love, life cannot be sustained. But if there was dispute about who really has fathered the child, there would be no love in the heart of the fathers. Psychologists say that children who grow up without knowing who their father is, are lacking in stability and maturity. These days because of scientific progress in DNA testing, one can say who the father is; but these tests were not available for mankind till now. Islam has historically provided for peace and stability in the family, not discord.

Misconception # 3: Islam subjugates women in a veil.

Reply: If you look at history, to ancient civilizations, you will find that women were the oppressed people. They had no individual merit. The Babylonians used to punish the woman for her husband's mistakes. The ancient Egyptians did the same. Ancient Arabs buried their newly born daughters.

It was Islam that uplifted the status of women. It gave women rights they never had before. Surah Nissah exhorts believing men to lower their gaze if a lady is passing by. Similarly, there are exhortations for women to lower their gaze if strange men are around. The Quran also speaks about the hijab for men and women to protect the modesty. The hijab for men is to cover their bodies minimally from their navel to the knees. The hijab for women is to cover their whole bodies except for their faces and hands below their wrists. There are descriptions for a female hijab, that it should cover the endowments including head, not be tight, not be transparent, not be like the clothes of non-believers, and not be like the clothes of the other gender, etc. Women got the right to own, inherit property, and to dispose it of at will.

Let me ask you a question: Suppose two identical twin sisters are walking down a street, and one of them is dressed in revealing clothing, while the other one is wearing a hijab. Who will be boys in the street whistle at or tease: the one who is scantily dressed in a mini-skirt, or the one who is modestly attired? The answer is obvious. The hijab is designed to prevent women from being molested. It brings peace to society and prevents mischief.

Misconception # 4: Capital punishment is barbaric.

Reply: There are crimes for which Islam prescribes capital punishment, e.g. for rape, murder etc. This is to protect society from criminals and anti-social elements. In USA there are 2713 rapes taking place every day. In Islam, the penalty is to award the death penalty so that the criminal is not around to repeat this crime, and to teach others a lesson. Americans say that this is a severe punishment. They say that the rapist must be put in jail for the first rape. If after his release he rapes again, then it is ok to put him to death. Friends, statistics in USA show that 95 percent of the rapists, after release from jail, rape again. Islam prevents this second rape. Following the Hijab dress code prevents the rapist from temptation to rape.

Misconception # 5: Islam was spread by the sword.

Reply: Nothing is far from the truth. It was the Islamic traders who served as excellent role models in the spread of Islam. In the book: "Islam at crossroads", the author, on page 8, says that this belief is a myth. Look at the number of Coptic Christians in Egypt. They number 14 million. Couldn't the Arabs have wiped them out or forcefully converted them to Islam? Look at India. In the 1,0000 years that the Muslims ruled over this subcontinent, every one could have been forcefully converted to Islam. How can you explain that there are 800 million Hindus and others still in India? Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia to convert them? These people converted by seeing the good behaviors of the Muslim/Arab traders. Readers' Digest says that between 1944 and 1984, a period of 50 years, saw more conversion to Islam in Europe and USA than to any faith. I am asking you, who went with a sword to convert these people to Islam? It is the sword of the intellect that converts people.

Misconception # 6: Muslims are fundamentalists.

Reply: What is the definition of the word fundamentalist? The dictionary says anyone who understands the basics of a discipline is a fundamentalist. Can you call yourself a mathematician if you can't understand the fundamentals of mathematics? No! Similarly, to be called a scientist, you must understand the fundamentals of science. There can be a positive fundamentalist and a negative fundamentalist. A thief/robber who is an expert at the fundamentals of robbing is bad; but a doctor who knows the fundamentals of healing is good. I submit that no fundamentals of Islam are against humanity. How can you be a good Muslim if you do not understand the fundamentals of Islam? How can you practice Islam? According to the Webster's dictionary, the word fundamentalist was first used on Christians; however, the new Oxford dictionary lists Muslims as fundamentalists.

Every Muslim should understand the fundamentals of Islam, and should be a fundamentalist. I am proud to call myself a 'Muslim Fundamentalist'. I submit that every Muslim should be a terrorist. Just as the policeman strikes terror in the heart of the thief, so should every Muslim strike terror in the heart of the thief, the rapist and other anti-social elements!

The word fundamentalist is open to wide interpretation, just like the word freedom fighter. In olden days, the British would label those Indians fighting for India's freedom as terrorists; while for the Indians, these were freedom fighters.

Misconception # 7: Muslims are ruthless non-vegetarian people.

Reply: God has granted Muslims the choice to be vegetarians as well as non-vegetarians. He has ordained in the holy book that everything that he has created in this world is for the enjoyment/pleasure of man (with certain restrictions and limits). It is ok for a Muslim to be a vegetarian by choice; it is also ok for him to be a non-vegetarian by choice.

Science tells us that animal flesh is a complete protein food. It is easier to digest than the vegetarian food. If you look at the teeth of carnivorous animals like a tiger or a lion they are sharp and pointed, designed to tear flesh. The tiger and lion can eat only flesh; they cannot digest leaves and grass. On the other hand, the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow and camel are flat. Designed to chew grass and leaves. These herbivorous animals can't digest flesh. But if you examine the teeth of human beings, they are both canine i.e. sharp and pointed, as well as flat. Therefore human beings can chew both vegetarian foods as well as non-vegetarian foods. Humans can digest plant foods as well as flesh. This ability to enjoy and digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food is a gift of God to humans.

Hindu scriptures permit the eating of flesh. In fact, their books are replete with incidents showing festivals and ceremonies where meat was served. When Jainism and Buddhism started to become popular with their philosophies of ahimsa, i.e., non-violence towards animals, and started to win converts from Hindus, the Hindus priests adapted the same philosophy of ahimsa to win back those who had left the Hindu fold. This is how Hinduism changed over to vegetarianism.

If no one eats meat the number of cattle will be uncontrollable. It will be a big problem about how to dispose of them.

Misconception # 8: Muslims eat animals and behave like animals.

Reply: There is a saying that you are what you eat. Muslims eat only herbivorous animals (animals that eat only plants, grass, leaves etc). These animals are peaceful animals, like goat, lamb etc. Therefore, we are peaceful people. Muslims are prevented from eating carnivorous animals, i.e. animals that eat other animals. The holy prophet has prohibited us from eating snakes, lizards, cats, dogs, birds of prey etc.

Some non-Muslims say that allowing slaughtered animals to bleed to death is torturing the animals. It is better to behead them in one quick shot on the neck. Some Muslims' response to this is that the non-Muslims attach the animals from behind, like cowards; while Muslims confront the animal in a manly manner, face-to-face, from the front. Of course this is not a good reason; it is only a joke.

Scientific tests have proven that when the animal's throat is slit along with the windpipe and the vein (without damage to the spinal cord), the animal dies a painless death. The animal twitches its legs, it is not because of pain but because the heart has pumped out all the blood from the legs. It is this twitching of the lags, this thrashing about of the dying animal that leads the non-Muslim to believe that the animal is in pain. Blood carries toxins and impurities that are harmful for humans. Islam prohibits the eating/drinking of blood. Meat without blood lasts longer than meat with blood in it.

Misconception # 9: Going around the Kabah is idol worship.

Reply: No religion is more vocal in condemning idol worship than Islam. The Muslims do not worship Kabah, only God, or Allah. While circumambulating the Kabah they chant: La Illa Ha Ill-lal-lah. (There is no object worthy of worship but Allah).

The Kabah is for unifying Muslims at prayer. It would be chaotic if Muslims prayed in any direction they chose. The Kabah provides a chance to unify in prayer as all Muslims face one spot, the Kabah. Throughout the globe people from various countries face North, South, East and West only to face the Kabah. When the Arabs drew the map of the globe, they put Makkah in the center; but when the Western people gained power, they put Greenwich in the center. But if you look at the map, Makkah continues to be in the center of the globe even today. Alhamdulillah!

Some accuse Muslims to be idol worshippers because they kiss the black rock at Kabah. This they do only because they saw the prophet do it. The black stone has no power to benefit or harm you. In olden times, the call to prayer was given by standing on the top of Kabah. If Muslims were idol worshippers, would they stand on top of their 'idol' and call people to pray. Does a Hindu or a Christian stand on top of their idols and call others to join in the worship?

Misconception # 10: Muslims are wrong in preventing non-Muslims from visiting Makkah.

Reply: Allah has prohibited this. Makkah is not a place of tourism, but a place of reverence and worship. A non-Muslim has no reverence for Makkah, and therefore should not be there as a mere spectator.

Although I am an Indian, I can't go to the cantonment area in Bombay where the military is based. I need a special permit. Similarly, all countries have their own rules to allow visitors in. Applicants must meet certain conditions insisted on by the host country. I had to meet the conditions of the US Government to visit USA. Similarly, there are conditions to visit Makkah. The condition is: You must recite from your heart "La illa-ha-ill-lal-lah, Mohammed-ur rasul Allah" (I bear witness that there is no object worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah).

Misconception # 11: Muslims wrongly don't eat pork

Reply: God has prohibited pork. There are several references even in the Bible where swine meat is prohibited. Science has associated 70 diseases with swine meat, the most dangerous being tapeworm, for which there is no cure. It causes irreparable damage to the insides of human beings. Even if a pig has been raised on a farm and its flesh is cooked very well at high temperatures, certain germs never die. The pig is a filthy animal; it eats human excreta. It has to protective instinct for its female. It is a shameless animal. Therefore people who eat its flesh, have no shame if their females mate with other men.

JMAN05: My friend, Jesus was the prophet. the jews may have misunderstood the scriptures or it could be that they splitted them just to see whether john can agree to any of them. the Elijah being prophesied is not another Elijah, but they were expecting another Elijah not knowing that that word made a prophet pointer to the role that Jesus was going to play. so Jesus is that Elijah promised on Malachi. Jesus is also that prophet mentioned at Deutronomy. some realized this later. read john 7:40.

@op. I quite agree to the truth that Jesus is not the same person as the father.

the holy spirit is not a person because even the bible used "it" to refer to it sometime. of course when they holy spirit came in a special role to help the apostles never did we see it come as a human like Jesus nor did we hear its name.

Jesus said he was not the prophet, that means that the prophet they were expecting was Mohammad (saw)

JMAN05: well, never knew he changed his position. ok, then let him explore abiogenisis and tell us how life came from water

without the dot[/quote]how ape-woman came about, how they developed vocal cords[/quote]which cords[/quote]how they met and how they got different skin color. which was the first skin color and how did another skin color come about?[/quote]

Emusan: Was it because I didn't quote Bible in support? Since you have a version of Bible go and read Matthew from beginning to the end.



I do but do they remove the whole verses about Him? From where will I seek for knowledge sir?



Ok, I don't need to chose a topic because I believe in my Bible it is you that will do that. 08126378223

It will be good if u suggest important topic to discuss on the likes;-
1 Is the bible God's word? Or
2 Was Christ crucified? Or
3 Is Jesus God?
Or any other important topic.
Let start a thread on the debate and invite everyone both through the net and other media means. I believe Abuja is a good place for it to take place.

Emusan: Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?
Adam and Eve was made from the dust of the ground and God breathed in his nostrils a breathe of Life and he became a living soul. The way God created Adam was simple and cleared. All humans then came from their reproduction.



God(The Father) sent His own word into the world in the person of Jesus Christ(The Son), and anointed Him(Jesus) with His own Holyspirit.

Father-is the God Himself
Son(The word/Jesus)-is the Spoken-word of God(the Father)
Holyspirit-is the Spirit of God(Father) Himself.

Your spirit and your word represent you anytime anywhere and their also you, true or false?

Hope is clear?



The will of God for us is to be free from death, sorrow, sickness by having eternal life through His only begotten Son.



I will be so greateful if this can be possibled. I live in Abuja, how can we meet?

Shalom!

That is your own understanding of the will of God.
Do u even know that 32 scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 cooporating denomination in the Revised Standard Version they threw out the word begotten as a concoction after going through the original manuscript
Pls get the RSV and check for youself, u have the RSV of 1952 and that of 1971 pls seek for knowledge it clear your views

We can open a thread in nairaland advertise and invite as many as possible, let's try try to organise the venue, u can suggest too. What topic would u like the debate on. 080366060571

Emusan: Hmmm, really you don't cherry pick indeed.



All your Bible quote is upside down man.



because their work is full of iniquity not because they called Him Lord, Lord...mahdino the wrath of God is coming soon stop what you don't no.


Who else will he follow if not Jesus? Hypocrite



He is God Himself.



Trinity forever!



How many time will I correct you on these verses you're quoting all the time?



Another lies.



I will ask you again, do Mahdino and co also follow Jesus' teaching?



If not because you're an hypocrite, you will say you're not cherry picking but why did you ignore the last phrase of that verse? Matt 7:21 "...But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven"
Then I asked you, what is the will of God? You couldn't give a concrete answer.



You still repeat your lies version.



Their teaching must be the same.


All these prophet you mention, how many of them live up to 1000years? I ask you in one thread you ran away



Jesus said "I'm the way, the truth, and the LIFE, no one cometh to the Father except by me"
All the prophet you mention above get to heaven through Jesus Christ. Inwhich no prophet in the whole world has ever promised such certainty statement.



How are you sure is the last prophet? He died over 1000years ago and many prophets of God has risen after him, you can see that you can't compare Jesus with any man because He is the 'Messiah' which all prophets before Him and After Him adore.

He said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and he(Abraham) saw it, and was glad,John 8:56 likewise Moses, Isaiah, David, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi e.t.c. Is a pity that if Muhammad didn't see Jesus' day before He died, Jesus will not know him.



Nobody blackmail Him, it's written black and white in your book.



Jesus' statement!

See the word of Jesus to you if only you will listen as you claim you believe in Jesus.

John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God was your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

If Jesus proceeded out from God (like mahdino proceeded out from his parent) not that Jesus recieved His message through angel. Who should you follow mahdino?


Shalom!

Allah said in the quran
"The similtude of Jesus in the sight of God is like that of Adam, he created him from dust and he said to him Be and he was.
If Jesus proceeded out from God but with mother so if he is god, then Adam is a greater god because he does not even have a mother.
U keep saying lies. Ok when for example I say 2+2=4 and u think its a lie then u tell us the truth and give us reason why 2+2 is not 4. U just say lies and u start saying how u want it to be, that is not accepted.
I have explain ed to u with examples the will of God, I guess I don't get your question give us an example.

Emusan if u feel that u know ur bible so well then let's come together and reason, we can organise a debate, there are so many things that can be explained easier by speech.

[quote author=Mee234]i don tire for u. U are moving in circle. Saying trash. U are in no way qualify to tell me what the bible say because as per bible, your ignorance know no bound. At least the bible is clear about what happens to those whole believe the teaching of Jeaus. Not like your Muhammad who you can not tell whether he is in alujana or jahana(Abi na wetin una dey call hell). According to the bible, Muhammad should be in hell for even he could not keep the law of moses. He(Muhammad ) keeping receiving revelation to sanction his misdeeds. When caught lying, he will receive a revelation to validate it.
And no, you can't read the Koran because your koran can not survive without the bible.
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In discussion like this u are suppose to prove me wrong by bringing facts and evidence not just to start saying your wishful thinking. I said at the time of Moses he was the way to God. You have to tell us if it is not true. The quran has spelt out in black and white in so many verses how to get salvation, beliEve in one God and practice righteousness. Quran ch 103:1-3
U keep talking nosense without any prove.