An2elect2:


Jesus did not die for everybody .You mock what you do not know?
God is Wisdom. The whole world is allowed to wallow in gross darkness for the Sons of God through Christ Jesus to shine as light and as true witnesses of God.

The Shepherd lays down His for HIS SHEEP!

I'm going to politely say, you are not making any sense. Read the initial op.

handsomebolanle:
At first I should let you know Jesus is the BegoTten son.. the sonship of Jesus is the divine exact image of God but operating in th flesh... right God has nothing to lose, however he respects His principle of a need for sacrifice. and he takes his Words most important.. We couldn't have been called son because there is a need for redemption since Adam fell.. but not.. for God so love us, He has sacrificed himself in form of flesh, that we could all be redeemed to eternal life...

@ Emboldened, remaining post rendered moot and irrelevant.

finofaya:
What it means is that God is very clever.

You see, God wanted a son and ordinary man would not do, even though we are called children of God. We all know that the only way to get a son is through childbirth. So God did the virgin and got himself a son.

Now, after the birth of Jesus, both man and Jesus needed to know who was more important to God. So God came up with a plan to sacrifice Jesus for man so that man would feel important, and to have Jesus take away the sins of man so that Jesus would feel important.

We all feel important now and everybody is happy.

Now that has left me even more confused, it was like you were speaking in other tongues

gatiano:
GOD is just, HE won't punish the innocent for the sins of another or multitude. as Jesus was or is the son of GOD, so am i too, I am a beloved son of GOD. there is no twisting this fact any ways.

All I can say about this post is Jesus is lord.

Keep em coming.

When the bible says that God gave his only Son, it seems like God is sacrificing something. How can he sacrifice something if he owns space, time, and existence, and is the master of life and death?

What is the sacrifice if His Son would return to Him anyways?

First: In the infinite time span of God, isn't a few hours of pain (even to a temporarily weakened son) meaningless when He has been around for infinite years billions of years into the past and always will be? The Son returned anyways. What sacrifice is there?

Second: "Only Son" is often emphasized. He is God. If He wished to overflow his Divinity eternally into multiple Sons and Daughters, begotten not made, as a divine Union of 10 or 100 parts, rather than 3 - He could have. This is treated as if God was subject to the unfortunate circumstances of having:

1. Only one Son
2. Had to sacrifice that only One Son.

Therefore, He loves us so much

When the reality is - what can the King of Heaven and Earth sacrifice anyways? All returns to Him and all belongs to Him. And second, if He wanted to have more Sons, and overflow his Divinity into them in pre-eternity assuming this "sacrifice" event meant something, He could have.

At no point did God lose anything, even for a moment. The Owner of Existence can't lose anything. Doesn't this make the entire thing kind of...meaningless? I just don't get it.

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macof:

you are not safe with d wrapper. If there's any strange image there like triangle the devil would use dat as a door into your life

oops!! I had better start burning some of my wrappers then. Bro, what about the ones with shapes like circle and square? I don't want the devil inside my wrappers ooo, they are designers and as such are expensive.

hahahahahaha.
Anyways, I only use wrapper and singlet so I think I'm safe from the devil, right?

Any reason(s) as to why he became a pastor?

onyfrank:
ok. love covers the multitude of sin. Go and sin no more

Sarcasm is a sin too?

rationalmind:

I'll be writing my last 6 exams in school between Jan 27th and Feb 14th and nairaland might be a great distraction.

I'll be back in about two months time after the exams.

Will definitely miss you guys

Cool bro. You really do not need any distraction at this stage of your education. And lest I forget, happy new year bro.

onyfrank:
stay blessed too. Happy new year to u and to all nairalanders

I was being sarcastic bro. Happy new year to you too.

rationalmind:

Same to you sis

Wishing you all the best this new year.

LB's gone, Mr Troll banned and I'll soon be gone as well.

Hopefully there are new soldiers here who will take the mantle

And why exactly are you guys leaving?

sкчscrαρεr™:
Rhetorical question

Jesus died to save us from our sins right? why do Christians still struggle with sin?

2buff: Devil never slap una.

Otherwise una go start to dey think reach ein side, so the best thing for him to do is to leave you well enough alone until the day of chopping as you are already in his pantry.

Devil this, devil that, who gives a @#%&$ about what the devil wants to do?
In my opinion, both Yahweh and the Devil are immature beings.
They should just settle their beef and leave the rest of us out of it.

sкчscrαρεr™:
I'm not trying to sound supersticious here but I don't want to agree that our dreams are just a reflection of what we think or feel before going to bed, it definately has an handwriting behind it.

Handwriting ba wo?

One of the ways God talks to people is through our dreams, and sometimes I've heard of people saying they have spiritual wife/husband. Which means that some forces have a way of manipulating our mind and controlling our dreams, I've also heard of certain situation when you see someone in the dream and people will say they're not real but somebody else impersonating the person they saw.

It's all in your head!!

Have you never had a dream before where you saw yourself in a place and with people you have never met before in life?

Yes, I've had such dreams, they are the most exciting ones. I find myself in a beautiful place and I meet sexy ''chikalas'' that I have never met before in real life and we have the time of our lives. I know it's my brain trying to compensate me after the ''evil'' thoughts I had before sleeping.

Last time I checked, the brain can only re-enact what you feed it, which means it is incapable of creating mysterious beings and places. So, do you still think our dreams are not supernatural?

Aaah, but you do err lacking proper knowledge of scriptures, the brain can surely create mysterious beings and places. Mine does it all the time.

sкчscrαρεr™:
Jesus christ died for our salvation so we could be free, but like a comedian said: Christianity is free but you have to buy bible. God will only help those who help themselves, one does not live a promiscuous life, kill people, commit evil and expect to make heaven. Maybe in next life, that's if there is any.

You still haven't answered the question. What exactly did Jesus' death accomplish?

rationalmind:

Yea bro. I get your point. Most atheist I know of don't really say of a 100% certainty there's no God.

What they mostly say is that, it is highly improbable there's a God.

Moreso, religionists are yet to prove God. How can you then disprove what hasn't been proven.

Easy bro, easy. Just add "dis" to "proven" and there you have it.

rationalmind:

yess o. Just a pity majority of atheists/agnostics here aren't vocal on the forum

They behave like ghosts

Some people just don't care much about that. Anyways, thanks to the ones who aired their views, I am now going to hell fire according to my Christian friends.

Uyi Iredia:

No. A Christian deist can. In fact, I think Thomas Jeffereson accepted the divinity of Christ, feel free to check this. Newton is said to be Christian but it is said he had unorthodox views, enough so Wikipedia places him as a deist. In fact, when deism first came into prominence, Christian deists abounded who believed in heaven or hell whilst dismissing Genesis or Revelations.

I don't know much about deism bro so I might just have to agree with you.

Uyi Iredia:

That's almost true but not yet. There are Christian deists with an eccentric mix of Christian and deist beliefs.

A Christian deist wouldn't believe in the divinity of Christ and I'm sure that is not the case here.

^^^ The ministry is moving to the permanent site.

sкчscrαρεr™:
We were meant to understand that heaven/hell are spiritual worlds, well, since earth despite its magnitude and encompases can never be full, then neither shall heaven nor hell would either.

Many are called, few are chosen. Not everyone will make it when they trumpet sounds. Rapture will come like a thief in the night.

Bro, you are no deist.

^^^ Dreams are controlled by your brain, nothing supernatural about it.

My head aches.

sкчscrαρεr™:
Let it be noted than I'am not a saint, neither am I perfect. I just happen to belong to the school-of-thought which said: If you don't know people's reasons, don't judge their decisions.

A life that is worth living is worth living well, this is the 21st century and I believe people who want to be good will be good, those who want to be bad will be bad, and no matter the amount of preaching you tell them, nothing is going to changed.

Everyone know what they're in for before they make a decision, they just don't know whether it's going to favour them or work against them. Those who do evil know that they're going to end up in hell, yet they prefer to continue living that lifestyle knowing that they're going to perish for enternty instead of suffering on earth.

That's their decision, and nobody can change that.

Doesn't that make you wonder what Jesus died for in the first place?

fredx4:

So you think hell fire won't be full? Or do you think all christians will go to heaven?

I hope to meet you there. Hope you know how to dance ''alanta'', I heard it's the reigning dance step in hell fire.

Mr Macelliot, regarding morals, could you answer this question?
Let's say you stopped believing in God for a second, would you turn into a serial killer overnight because of your unbelief?

Macelliot:
Are u angry that I didn't sided with atheism(whose founder is satan).
If you don't believe in GOD, where do u morality came from and where will your soul go to after motality?

New fun fact
* Atheism was founded by no other person but Satan in the year
* If you don't believe in God, then you cannot be moral

shinechinedu: . Just give me three reasons why I should! And don't start with talks of "she's ur mum" cos dats far from it

Give three reasons why you should return as if that would change your mind. Dude, it's your life and as you have said before, you are not a kid. We can only give advice.
*returns to washing his mum's clothes*

fredx4:

So where are muslims and bhudists going to if they are not going to hell?

Or are you saying the spiritual world does not exist.

Hahaha, hell fire go full be that. Even some hypocritical Christians go join for hell fire. Heaven's population would be Jesus, his father, a few Christians and some angels. Why God come even bother to create so many people?

sкчscrαρεr™:
I cannot categorically say if I believe those tales or not but know that those things happened many years ago when science and technology were not present to prove evidence. The bible recorded that Jesus fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread and two fishes, the same bible recorded the aforementioned, and if you believe the formal then you have to choice but to also believe the latter.

Some people said it wasen't a fish that swallowed Jonah but a whale, but either way it could be that the event never happened. Perhaps, God was using that story as an allegory/imagery to convey a message, same way Jesus told the story of The good samaritan.

Then, you are still a Christian. You should realise that the church is not just the building but the people. Instead of giving up and going it alone, why don't you try to preach to the hypocritical ones.