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hopefulLandlord:what Christ would think is summed up in one word. LOVE The problem with the many sects and many interpretations is people mistakenly worship Jesus of Nazareth instead of the Christ that was within him , which is in every man as well. 99% of humans feel the purpose of existence is to eat , reproduce and die. But this is an animal's life. Ignorance of life's true purpose is the main factor behind the mass delusion we see being paraded as Christianity |
hopefulLandlord:GOD IS OMNIPRESENT WHICH MEANS HE IS WITHIN EVERY MAN, WHETHER MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN. NOW , if you have a personal relationship with jesus as people say , then you have to see life just as christ saw life. That means you act like the kingdom of God is within you. So the next time you have a thought, ask yourself - is this what christ would think about this situation? This to me , is the only way to have this personal relationship on a level that deals directly on the mental plane and not the physical plane |
benodic:Well spoken. Full mergence into the ECK is the goal. But to gain the Self or Atman , the lower self or ego has to willingly surrender - aka change its perception about itself. chanting HU brings about peace of mind BUT does not tackle the real problem of wrong thinking. I can chant HU for an hour and fall right back in the first minute after meditation into negative states of worry and fear which are just manifestations of the ego perception. As a realized being , man becomes naturally silent and STILL so he can KNOW for himself that GOD IS OMNIPRESENT and the KINGDOM IS WITHIN. So in essence,the question i have is this - Is there any spiritual exercise in the ECKANKAR repository that deals with the complete surrender of man's perception? Because chanting HU in my opinion still poses one biiiiiigggg problem - I still think I am I , praying or singing to an I that is outside of myself. |
Tithing is the physical aspect of a spiritual law Whatsoever a man sows , that he will reap. Tithing is the giving of 10% of your talents to the kingdom of God. 'BUT , the kingdom of God is WITHIN EVERY MAN. Therefore, tithing in the real sense is the giving of 10% to a TEMPLE OF GOD aka MAN. But there are rules to giving if you really want to reap; LET YOUR LEFT HAND NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR RIGHT HAND IS DOING. There are a multitude of men[temples of God] waiting for you. Give this tithe to them in secret , if possible let them not know who gave them. That way they would be forced to thank God , not you and then God since the glory went to him ALONE , would do the necessary in the life of the tither |
Hey benodic , great job. I have to ask though , if the ECK is the only truth and every other manifestation [ego] is false , why is the teaching of ECKANKAR not directed to losing the entire self or ego? Why bother with cleaning the outside of the cup when the inside is still dirty? Why bother with the branches when the root should be the main focus? The only salvation is salvation from reincarnation. Every other thing is secondary in my opinion. Pardon my assertiveness. Would love to hear your views still |
Believing you are in Christ is easy. I can say i believe Christ morning till night but do i really believe it ??If you BELIEVE you are in Christ then there is only way to know - Do you exhibit DIVINE LOVE? Divine love is PATIENT , FORGIVING , HUMBLE , GENEROUS, NON-JUDGEMENTAL .... - So , before you THINK of hurting your enemy, remember - I AM IN CHRIST and CHRIST FORGIVES ALL HIS ENEMIES - Before you worry, Remember - I AM IN CHRIST and the spirit of Christ is Omnipotent and has everything it will ever need Believing in Christ is not a physical thing at all. It is a mental exercise of pulling down the STRONGHOLD OF WRONG THINKING THAT HAS BEEN IMPLANTED IN THE BRAIN. Physical exclamations of loving God is useless. If you love Christ and are in Christ and believe it , then you have to ACT LIKE YOU ARE IN CHRIST I cannot have a cheque of 10billion and beg for 10naira |
Nigeriadondie:Well said bro. True prayer is silence. God is OMNISCIENT and knows what you need before you ask him. Praying to God for physical things shows from the very start that the person has no idea about the real God. . . . And do not BABBLE like the heathens for they THINK THEY WILL BE HEARD FOR THEIR MANY WORDS |
You have to understand who Jesus saw himself as first A lot of people confuse the physical body of Jesus the nazarene with the spiritual body of Christ. Jesus asked his disciples 'Who do people say I am'? Obviously they knew him as Jesus , son of Mary but they did not know that he had EVOLVED into his INNER SELF or the CHRIST WITHIN. This CHRIST WITHIN is within EVERY SINGLE MAN on earth and has existed from the very beginning. The physical body of the Son of Mary was around 30 years but the INNER BODY of Jesus which is in all of us , is IMMORTAL Jesus came to show people how to become ONE with this INNER SELF. Jesus, Son of Mary was the SON of MAN Jesus, as the INNER BODY or the CHRIST WITHIN was and is the SON of GOD just like every man who has learnt to become ONE with his INNER SELF |
Trust man to totally twist concepts to favour himself So , this first fruit cannot be given by the jobless abi ![]() Don't be deceived. The only possession EVERY MAN HAS , rich or poor , is his 'thoughts'. First fruit is the giving of that first thought' in the mind to God or silence. Blessed are the 'POOR in SPIRIT Take no thought' about what to eat . . . God is a Spirit' and those that worship him must do so in SPIRIT and in TRUTH Only in the mind can man worship God in TRUTH. Every physical or outward form is FLESH and is a FALSE way to approach God |
Here's an illustration from the grand master himself , Jesus of Nazareth. Blessed are the 'Poor' in spirit' for . . . Poor means lacking in possessions. To be poor IN SPIRIT therefore means lacking in spiritual possessions. Now what is the only possession you have as a spirit? Thoughts. . Your ability to create Therefore Poor in spirit means 'Taking no thought' or 'Silence' or 'Stillness' or 'moving among the STILL WATERS'. Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God But being poor is not enough. To actually become one or see 'God' , man has to become pure with his thoughts. And the only pure thought is the thought of God. But how do you think of something that you cannot see? The minute you give God a mental concept, you have created a graven image. *Modified - Intention is the key to becoming pure at heart. Why are you meditating? Is it to be superior to others? Is it because of wealth? Health? The only PURE intention that strengthens meditation is to focus all of your being in wanting to know God as he is , not how you think he is No man can see God and live because after viewing his awesomeness, man stops perceiving himself as man made of flesh and bones and sees only the divine within Meditation was the favourite activity of Jesus. This should point out the importance of this natural way of being |
Ranchhoddas:What is time? There is Only NOW. Whenever this 'achieving' takes place would also be Now. We are always running from Now. The mind is either coming to you as memory or future. But there is only now. The minute you leave the now , you have time travelled to a 'time that has passed' or a 'time that is yet to be'. The time is Now , now , now . . . A man in a coma is still breathing. Despite not being consciously aware of his body , someone or something still breathes for him. Who is this person? When you sleep , you forget your body. Yet you still breathe. That means there is an extra aspect of you that intelligently keeps you alive. Think of it. You just gave out Carbon dioxide. Yet your nostrils intelligently avoid the Co2 around and takes in oxygen. Conscious union with this 'natural state' or 'Other side of man' is the goal of going within. Man know thyself |
Ranchhoddas:Who is the 'I' that is achieving? The 'I' that has a body OR the 'I' that is free of limitations? There is nothing to achieve. Only the limited I needs to achieve The inner I needs you to just be still , and Know ''''I'''' am . . . |
As babies we cannot consciously utilise this natural state to gain At-one-ment and that is why we need to grow up and consciously come back to become born again. So u can say the ultimate goal of going within is to become one with the entity or consciousness or God that lies within you. Not the consciousness as a name with a physical body but the consciousness without a body that can be observed after becoming still both mentally and physically |
Ranchhoddas:It seems? Lol. Think about yourself as a DAY old baby. This day old baby has nothing to think about. This day old baby has no name or memories to think about but is alive and conscious. This is the natural state As for the gains , words are poor examples and would do no justice. Experience is the only teacher |
Ranchhoddas:The incessant chattering of your mind. Its a choice really |
Ranchhoddas:Goal? staying in the natural state or present i guess |
manikal:lol. time travel |
- This is a combination of passive and active meditation. The active part comes first - Sitting comfortably, close your eyes and realize this inwardly. - There is Only One ORIGINAL LIFE. - This ORIGINAL LIFE is One and cannot be two. - This ORIGINAL LIFE is Omnipotent , Omnipresent and Omniscient. - This ORIGINAL LIFE is MY LIFE RIGHT NOW - I AM NOT SURE OF ANYTHING ELSE BUT I KNOW I HAVE LIFE. ORIGINAL LIFE Thoroughly repeat this till it sears a hole in your memory. Moving on , the passive part consists in just watching the contents of your mind. Jesus said 'Take no thought' . . . and that is exactly what we aim for. With the realization of our Oneness with life , now watch out for your thoughts and realize your power that is naturally inherent. Here's an example After deciding to 'TAKE NO THOUGHT' or 'GO INTO THE WILDERNESS' , the Devil comes as ego or THOUGHTS OF FEAR and tries to shake my concentration. Immediately , i don't try to RESIST THIS EVIL BUT RATHER KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT MY IDENTITY AT THAT PRESENT NOW. And the truth is - I am FILLED WITH LIFE - THIS LIFE IS THE ORIGINAL LIFE - THIS LIFE IS OMNIPOTENT . . . therefore i can only be afraid if the ORIGINAL LIFE is not OMNIPOTENT. - .... and they shall know the truth , and the truth shall set em free - This makes it easier to practice BREATH MEDITATION. This is also called pure prayer. - Pure prayer is TAKING THOUGHT ONLY for this original life. - 'Worship the lord thy God and him only shall thou serve' - For every breath you take , just thank the GOD WITHIN YOU AND WITHOUT for giving you his life. - For all you know you could just stop breathing and there is nothing anybody can do about it. - This thought gradually leads to the state of no-thought or inner stillness. - 'He lead me BESIDE THE STILL WATERS' Remember, there is Only one original life and every man , Christian or Muslim, pagan or Hindu is filled with this life. Change your perspective and change your world |
Critical Thinkers - What is the only time available to man? NOW. Always NOW - What is NOW? NOW is NOW. NOW is that space between 1 and 2' on your clock or watch. - NOW is the present. I can be in Lagos [GMT+1] talking with someone across the world from Australia [GMT+10] and both of us would EXPERIENCE the SAME NOW despite the TIME DIFFERENCE. - Therefore, the ONLY TIME available to YOU as an INDIVIDUAL is NOW. Just Now, Now . . . . - The next logical question is WHO AM I, NOW? - My IDENTITY must ALWAYS be NOW. Anything other than NOW , is NOT me. - Therefore to KNOW WHAT I AM , i have to INVESTIGATE THIS time called NOW THOROUGHLY and get to KNOW WHAT IS ALWAYS PRESENT. - The ONLY THING PRESENT to the INDIVIDUAL in the NOW is the AWARENESS of himself. - This is a kind of PURE AWARENESS that is DEVOID of words. YOU just KNOW , THAT YOU ARE. - Words or thoughts come and go but this awareness always stays in the background like The director on a movie set. - Meditation is ABIDING AS this PURE AWARENESS , FREE from thoughts of the FUTURE or PAST. - You are not running from the world but changing your fighting stance. - To the INDIVIDUAL, the PAST and the FUTURE is just a NOW that has PASSED and a NOW yet to COME respectively. There is only NOW to this individual. Practice - CLOSE YOUR EYES and JUST BE. - Don't THINK about it. The time you TAKE TO THINK , is a NOW that you DENY. - Thoughts would come as usual to distract you , but ask yourself? Are these THOUGHTS originating from NOW, the PAST or the FUTURE? - Keep on noting to yourself, whether the thoughts currently in your mind space are from the PAST or FUTURE - If you suddenly notice you have stopped noting , congratulations! You just managed to slip a finger into the Now |
0temAtum:This reeks of wisdom but i do not understand. Pride and Judgement is not and cannot be a characteristic of the divine one that gives breath or awareness to both the Good and bad |
Great post. But there is a Truth that never changes. That truth does not have a name or sound. That truth is profound silence, so profound that you don't even hear your own existence |
Lets all try to see life through the eyes of a baby as he wakes to the second day of his existence. What do you see? Challenge your imagination That state is the goal or in this case the Being. It is not a thought process but rather AWARENESS IN PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE. Meditation is a valuable tool but not every mind is easily tethered so creative methods have to be employed. The disciple says obey the sabbath The knower says the Sabbath is made for man The key is to be aware by not denying the Now. There is only now. The past is just a Now that has as the name implies 'passed'. The future is also a Now that is not yet , so how can it be real? Investigate this until you are very sure that the only time available to you is now. So , the goal is AWARENESS IN PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE or NOW. Here is a simple exercise with a catharsis that every man can relate to. Select 5 of your favourite slow songs and put them on a playlist. This exercise is best done in a place where you would not be disturbed. Also , HEADSETS are HIGHLY recommended. Now , determine to be COMPLETELY STILL throughout the duration of the playlist. This is how to know if one is really free or just a slave. STILL in this context means both the physical and mental aspects of YOU. Close the eyes, and try to be as still as possible. Now focus all your attention on the song. Determine to never lose track of the song. If you find yourself thinking of what to do tomorrow or what happened in the past , you have lost. Be honest with yourself. If you lose just once , then you have to start all over again. 5 songs is an average of 15 minutes. Challenge yourself After the playlist stops , try to hold the focus that you put on the song on your breathing. The songs must have put your brain on the good vibes frequency , so when you focus on the breath , it is with love and love is the only law. After some time , remove the focus off the breath and just hold the focus only. In English , this would be described as BEING AWARE THAT YOU ARE AWARE or pure awareness or as athletes call it , the FLOW STATE. |
Deicide:Totally. you'll become so present in the NOW that you'd even forget you had a body |
Christian means Jesus Christ like. Anything against Christ is anti John 14;15 15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. John 14:21 Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him." John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and remain in His love. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love. 1 John 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. John 15:12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I loved you. John 15:17 This is My command to you: Love one another Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law. Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself Know what you serve. The way that seemeth right . , |
Deicide:exactly. it is good you came to the realization by yourself. Now when you try to hear your thoughts for the first time , you'll discover pure silence and notice that this silence has a sound. just continue following this inner sound until it takes you back home |
Deicide:exactly. listen to that thing trying to remind you of all these things. That is the way to bring attention to your thought process If you claim it is not a sound then how do you hear those thoughts |
Deicide: Deicide:Here's a tip : try to hear how the voice distracting you sounds like. Does it sound masculine or feminine? Deep bass or tenor?? All in all , use your ears and try to hear how your thoughts SOUND like. You'll immediately settle and can continue your meditation |
oaroloye:Okay oh. Thank you for your opinion |
Matthew 7;12 So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. Galatians 6;6 One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches. Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. |
Matthew 5 43 You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU, 45 THAT YOU MAY BE SONS of your FATHER in heaven. He causes his sun to RISE ON THE EVIL AND THE GOOD, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, what reward will you get? Are not even the TAX COLLECTORS doing that? 47 And if you GREET ONLY your BROTHERS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING MORE than others? Do not even pagans do that? Matthew 6 "And when you pray, do not be like the HYPOCRITES, for they LOVE TO PRAY STANDING in the SYNAGOGUES and on the STREET CORNERS to be SEEN BY MEN. I tell you the truth, they have RECEIVED their REWARD IN FULL. 6 But when you pray, GO INTO YOUR ROOM, CLOSE THE DOOR and pray to your Father, WHO IS UNSEEN. Then your Father, who SEES WHAT IS DONE IN SECRET, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not KEEP ON BABBLING like PAGANS, for THEY THINK they will be HEARD because of their MANY WORDS. 8 DO NOT BE LIKE THEM, for your Father KNOWS WHAT YOU NEED BEFORE YOU ASK HIM. Matthew 6:14 For if you FORGIVE MEN when they SIN AGAINST YOU, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. |
menxer:There is a time for everything |
Concentration produces STRONG attention. But the key is , where does your ATTENTION LIE? If you knew the soil would grow any seed[thought] no matter how bad you were or are. What would you plant?? Obviously, the very best. And the very best thought has to be LOVE OR GRATITUDE for the Original CAUSE or popular know as GOD. 'Love thy Lord With all thy HEART[Emotional brain], AND ALL THY MIND[Logical Brain] - Even the bible acknowledges the existence of two brains. We use the logical brain to enter the realm of feeling - In this case , a feeling of gratitude for ALL THAT IS. This contemplation can be done absolutely anywhere. In fact, the crowded areas are even more favorable. No much talk , practice makes perfect - Steady yourself with a couple of deep breaths. - Observe everything you see , physically and mentally [thought] - Ask yourself, is this cause or effect? - Then mentally follow the effect down to its root. - As you get better , slowly start QUESTIONING every thought to know its CAUSE. Here is a brief example from my thought process. - The wooden chair i sit upon flashes through my mind - So i hold it as my meditation - First off all , i consider chairs and the hard comfort it is providing me right now. - Considering what this chair really is next - First off , i consider ALL THE PEOPLE involved in the process. From cutting the tree , to transporting it , to even those that built roads which were used to transport them. I also consider THERE LINEAGES till the very first which HAD TO COME FROM GOD or FIRST CAUSE. - Next , i consider all the NATURAL MIRACLES involved in the process. The ORIGINAL SEED , the WONDERS OF THE SOIL , THE EFFECT OF RAIN AND SUN ON THE GROWTH OF THIS TREE. Consequently i have to contemplate the Sun and the earth and the rain to fully see the life of this chair. - This us just an example and i have not even started considering the other aspects of the chair like TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED which obviously attracts contemplation about INTELLIGENCE. Be creative with it. Think about the WHOLE CHAIR , WITH ALL THE PARTS. NAILS , EVERYTHING. It must not necessarily be a chair. This is just to give your intellect an idea of how to use mental association to understand the magnificence of the First Cause. As you progress , start doing this to HUMANS AS WELL. Try to view the CAUSE not the EFFECT. Mr A : Stupid girl Self Aware Girl : What is speaking? Thoughts obviously! Why do they form together to call me stupid? Would the ORIGINAL THOUGHT or FIRST CAUSE call me stupid? No , Obviously. Therefore this particular THOUGHT PROCESS MUST BE MALFUNCTIONING[or ignorant] and the ONLY WAY i can help him is to PRAY THAT he comes to his senses or comes to KNOW. Matt 5:44 But i Tell you , Love your enemies , and pray for those who persecute you, that you MAY be SONS of your FATHER in heaven. |
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