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truthman2012: Liars. How can revelations from a demonic angel be the truth? May God open your spiritual eyes.

I read a thread here by buzola, one of your muslim brothers that said Mohammed gave lecture to a jinn (evil spirit). How did he contact an evil spirit and were relating together - giving him lectures he learnt from arch-demon Gabriel.

How can you believe Gabriel and Muhammed carry God's message? What can be more corrupt than demons' messages?

Like I said in one of my posts, muslim alfa are doing nothing but arabian magic. After studing the quran, the next thing is to learn arabian magic and you are bold to call them men of God. Which God?

You cannot associate with evil spirits in this world and expect to be with God in paradise. Never.

no matter how much you quote explain teach etc. they we never come to the knowledge of this truth. for you to do anything you must start in the place of prayer against the spirit that work in the children of this world

that God should open their heart to receive the gospel of light. only then will you be able to say anything that they will accept.

I suppose this part of the scripture will minister to you, and answer all your question and argument

it is taken from Philip. 2: 6-11:

Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself. He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what. Not at all. When the time came, he set aside the privileges of deity and took on the status of a slave, became human! Having become human, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn’t claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death—and the worst kind of death at that—a crucifixion.

9-11 Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever, so that all created beings in heaven and on earth—even those long ago dead and buried—will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ, and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father.

THE REASON JESUS WHILE ON EARTH NEEDED GOD WAS BECAUSE IN CAME COMPLETELY IN TH FORM OF MAN TO FULLFIL ALL THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW. HE STRIPPED HIMSELF OF ALL DEITY ABILITY READY TO DO WHAT NO MAN HAS EVER DONE IN THE FLESH; PERFECT AND FULFILMENT OF THE LAW.

TO DO THESE HE HAD TO RELY COMPLETELY ON GOD, HE DOES ONLY WHAT HIS FATHER IS DOING.

THIS WAS WHY HE PRAYED IN THE BOOK OF JOHN 17:5; And now, Father, glorify me with your very own splendor,
The very splendor I had in your presence Before there was a world.

THIS WAS THE WHO HE WAS BEFORE COMING IN THE FORM OF A MAN.

TODAY, IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION LISTEN TO JESUS SPEAK; REV. 1:17; And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,[h] “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.

truthman2012: 1. Jesus as a spirit from God. A man including Adam has no pre-existence before birth or creation but Jesus had. Jesus said He knew God and was from Him (John 7:28-29). This why He was a spirit from God and not the general term you refer to as ''ruh'' for everybody. Your Quran specifically said so to Jesus as it never said the same for other prophets.

2. Worship of Jesus. The wise men worshiped Jesus as a baby (Matthew 2:11) It means it is wise people that worship Jesus. Herod knew Jesus deserved to be worshiped. Herod was a king and yet he said he would worship Jesus (Matthew 2:7-

Jesus Himself knew He is Lord (Matthew 7:21, Matthew 26:20-22). What do the faithfuls do to their Lord? Worship Him.

3. Jesus can do anything. Jesus can do all things because He said:
(a) Whatever (anything) we ask in His name, He will do it (John 14:13-14). (b) All power on earth and heaven have been given to Him (Matthew 28:18). This was a statement made after His death and ressurection.

4. None is good but the father. This is a language of humility, not wanting to ascribe goodness to Himself. How would you feel if somebody told you that you are a good man? Would you say 'yes' that is true?

5. Writers of the Gospel. Matthew was a publican, a tax collector who became a follower of Jesus. Luke was a physician who also became a follower of Jesus. The writers of the Gospel wrote the deed of Jesus and they needed not to write their own history that is why they are not popularly known. If you want to know more about the writers, you can search the google 'who was so-so in the Bible' and you will get enough info on them.

Jesus was sent to the whole world (John 3:16). Saying Jesus was sent to Istrael alone is like saying Mohammed was sent to the Arabs alone as Surah 14:4 says '' And We never sent a messanger save with the language of his folks, that he might make the message clearer for them.....''. I want to believe arabic is not your native language.

I am sure you believe Jesus came to this world and His activities were written down by some people. The written history of Jesus' deed is what is called the Gospel, which your Quran recorgnizes. This Gospel is not found anywhere else other than in the Bible.

May I ask you, who wrote the Gospel your Quran refers to? What is the content and where is it?

There is faith and truth. It is not what a man believes that really matters, the big question is, is it the truth that he believes? For example, an idol worshiper believes so much in his idol, but is it the truth? Islam and Christianity do not have the same message and belief. One must be wrong and the other right. The right is from God and the wrong from the Devil.

You may not believe me but I have seen a good christian who died and came back again because christians don't bury their dead immediately. There are many of such cases but this particular one happened in my church. He saw things in reality in heaven. The Bible says ''there is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved''

i beleieve this response should seal this thread, it has practicaly floored further argument

you beleive what you want to believe but will never change the truth. you can try very hard to down play it, it will never stop popping up.

the reason Jesus was crucified was because he made himslf equal with God.

and the reason the apostles were killed is because they testify of this truth. why will anybody want to die because of a lie.

JESUS RECIEVED WORSHIP IN HIS LIFE TIME AND AFTER, THE KIND OF WORSHIP GOD RECEIVES

and please stop saying peace and blessing be upon him, all your so called prophet are gone and their fate is sealed you can never add to who they are now.

you should ask for blessing and peace that only Jesus can give

Jesus christ is not only what we read on the pages of the bible he his an EXPERIENCE WE HAVE you can't beat that

advocate666: I remember when I read this book in early 90s. (Lord, I'm old!)
Many people were and are still fooled by it.
Nigerians will believe anything.
I am sure that if I give a testimony about how sweet baby Jizz-Us delivered me from the powers of Satan, many of you here will believe me. Gullible fools!

you are also gullible for not believing.

do you know or can you tell how many things you have not seen yet you beleived in them. must you see to believe

how we believe in tommorow we do not no and the fear that comes from imaginations and dreams. you can say they are not real but they make you careful.

you are gullible for believing a lie, gullible.

did this book say any thing about the fate of the muslims in the world of darkness?

do they attack muslims or say anything about them, do they wield any power like the christain

intersting, God Glorious might can never ceased to be revealed
praise you Lord for these great testimonies

[quote author=Paris-Love]Ok now this your colleagues work thing is getting boring. Reminds me of abdulsleek he's just sleeker than you. I don't see anything funny in lagoshia's post, just sheer ignorance which i took time out to correct. But if and so called colleagues think it's funny, well it just confirms the saying that says 'Muslims are funny when they're not trying to kill us' [/quote]Sir, i respect your patient and zeal for the truth. It obvious what holiness looks like in islam from the many post have seen.
Argument can't save them bro. Stop wasting your time. Best is to pray that their eyes may see the truth about Jesus the perfection of beauty.

Sweetnecta: the christians dont even think things abut God, Jesus etc through and thoroughly before arriving at the bus stop.
if the ghost that the former muslim saw said he was God of the Christians, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a true believer should have asked him; "where is the God of Jesus and Israel"? and the fake "Jesus" would have disappeared. That just using the bibles to defeat fake appearance of Jesus.

is it not interesting that even apostle Paul did not even see Jesus but heard only his voice? i guess the ex muslim is a better believer of christian Jesus than Paul was. i am hoping that the christians see that their condition is dire and their heaven entry is narrower than a needle eye.

@Thorpido: The message of Jesus, if you read your Bibles includes "God of Jesus is God of Israel and That God is One Lord" and "Jesus is a prophet of God, appointed to the Children of Israel to bring back the lost of the herd back to what Moses and others were on, the very same path Jesus was on".

Whats interesting is that Jesus said he stayed on a path that all prophets before him stayed. But the people who now say they are following Jesus changed everything and now are on a hybrid where they have thrown away Moses and all and definitely by what Jesus said about "The Prophets and The Laws" throw away Jesus, too.

Read and re-read your post, u making up thing to confuse yourself. The truth about christ is not for u to preach, it is more than your megamind and ain't logic. So quit your campaign against our faith, our experience, our joy, you can't beat it. Christ is the truth, and testimony like these, are the reason u don't have excuse to give your heart to christ. YOU ARE NEXT!

thanks for taking your time to spread this truth.

as christ has promised, i pray that the spirit of God will open the heart of dissbeliever to embrace christ the sure way out of hell.

Islam, na wahooo, stone from heavennnn. Wen we have countless mountains already. Ok oh, but i no a stone -the chief corner stone, more like it.

maclatunji: ^Well said, but I have never heard or read Joseph Lone of the Lords Resistance Army being called a "Christian Terrorist ".

What happened? In view of the position you hold above on the subject matter.

So you agree with his point of view. So the OP as no argument.
What is wrong is wrong, accept that islam as a problem of interpretation and deal with it, christain dealt with theirs - joseph lone

you wish you wish, you wish you wishhhh.
Deep down in u is an insecurity that makes u wish chritainity were not true. The more u try, the obvious it becomes.

The OP: NO. Its God's insatiable thirst for blood that worries me.

Ever wondered why your God couldnt forgive the sins of his own creation without spilling blood (On the cross).

The bible says without the shedding of blood there will be no remission for sin. That makes Jesus the holy lamb of God a perfect subtitute for our sin.
From your earlier quote; the death penalties u see in old testament applied to everybody, isreal or not. To say the truth sin is very deadly, repent by accepting christ Jesus

the question i will also ask is that the quotation you made are they not also stories in the quoran. so what difference does it make if does killing took place you have the stories in your quaran too.

[quote author=Godman_n]How can we be foolish to call this man a listening President. He is a dumb President for ever contemplating the N5000 note. He is the dumbest to have even granted an approval for that assuming the idea originated from Sanusi.

A President should know enough to direct and plots our economy; and not one that sits idly and schemes around looking for where to put his voice in order to be called a good man.

A president is a leader, our general that plots every of our move. A president is one that takes the initiative in every fronts of our national endeavour and not an unlearned idoits that reacts on issues based on an uninformed public opinion.

GEJ is undeserving of my President. He is a usurper.[/quote]you talk about your president like this.

i shake my head.

even if is not your president at least he is older than you he deserves some respect.

At least he is better than those who will not accept their misatkes. He is humble enough to withdraw his decision aba, him try na [quote author=Godman_n]How can we be foolish to call this man a listening President. He is a dumb President for ever contemplating the N5000 note. He is the dumbest to have even granted an approval for that assuming the idea originated from Sanusi.

A President should know enough to direct and plots our economy; and not one that sits idly and schemes around looking for where to put his voice in order to be called a good man.

A president is a leader, our general that plots every of our move. A president is one that takes the initiative in every fronts of our national endeavour and not an unlearned idoits that reacts on issues based on an uninformed public opinion.

GEJ is undeserving of my President. He is a usurper.[/quote]you talk about your president like this.

i shake my head.

even if is not your president at least he is older than you he deserves some respect.

At least he is better than those who will not accept their misatkes. He is humble enough to withdraw his decision aba, him try na

the peace that Islam propergate will always be tested. just like your love for your wife, faith in God, your patient,all of these will be tested.

the question is, will Islam ever pass the test of the peace it propergates?

all Muslim in the house to answer this question.

the peace that Islam propergate will always be tested. just like your love for your wife, faith in God, your patient,all of these will be tested.

the question is will Islam ever pass the test of the peace it propergates?

all Muslim in the house to answer this question.

am sure this is not true can any muslim in the house refute this

LagosShia: According to three out of the four versions of the Gospel present in the Christian Bible, it is said that whilst Jesus was on the way to be crucified, the soldiers escorting him stopped a certain Jewish man who happened to be passing by named Simon of Cyrene, and made him carry the cross for Jesus.

Now, read carefully the account given in the Gospel of Matthew [Matthew 27:31-37] and note that the text actually implies the crucifixion of Simon of Cyrene and not Jesus (all Biblical quotes in this article are from the King James translation):

31: And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
32: And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
33: And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
34: They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
36: And sitting down they watched him there;
37: And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Notice that in verse 32, Simon of Cyrene is referred to, and that in all of the verses following it up to verse 37, Jesus' name is not mentioned, there is only "him" and "he". Thus implying that the word "him" in verse 35 refers to Simon of Cyrene, and not to Jesus.

The fact that they wrote a sign above his head claiming him to be Jesus only indicates that this was what they thought.

And see Mark's similar account [Mark 15:20-26]:

20: And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
21: And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
22: And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23: And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
24: And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25: And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26: And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

These two accounts clearly imply the likelihood that Simon of Cyrene was the one crucified instead of Jesus. However, due to the belief that later came to prevail among the Christians regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, along with the confusion that they must have had in reconciling all of the contradictory accounts, it is likely that much of the other content of those gospels regarding events afterwards was doctored and distorted.

The accounts of Luke and John [Luke 23:26-43, John 19:17-27] are fairly unambiguous that Jesus was crucified, however these two accounts are considered to have been authored at a later period than those of Mark and Matthew.

The author of Luke, as is evident from certain other writings in the New Testament, was clearly an adherent of the teachings of Paul, while the identity of the author of John is controversial, although it is certain from the content of his Gospel that he held many of the complicated beliefs of the Greek philosophers and thinkers, rather than the simple Semitic monotheism that Jesus so clearly taught.

Then I found this interesting piece of information on Wikipedia:

"According to some Gnostic traditions, [b]Simon of Cyrene, by mistaken identity, suffered the events leading up to the crucifixion, and died on the cross instead of Jesus. [/b]This is the story presented in the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, although it is unclear whether Simon or another actually died on the cross, This belief is also held by many Muslims, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Cyrene

The following is the translation by Roger A. Bullard and Joseph A. Gibbons of the relevant portion of the work known as "The Second Treatise of the Great Seth" mentioned above, which is one of a collection of early Christian gnostic writings dated around the 3rd or 4th century CE that was discovered near the Egyptian town of Nag' Hammadi in 1945. The quote is attributed to Jesus:

"For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death, It was another, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I[t] was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns, And I was laughing at their ignorance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_, the_Great_Seth

And here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say in its online article on Docetism (an early Christian sect regarded as "heretical" by the later Church):

"According to Basilides, Christ seemed to men to be a man and to have performed miracles. It was not, however, Christ, who suffered but Simon of Cyrene who was constrained to carry the cross and was mistakenly crucified in Christ's stead. Simon having received Jesus' form, Jesus returned Simon's and thus stood by and laughed. Simon was crucified and Jesus returned to his father (Irenaeus, Adv. Char., 1, xxiv). According to some apocrypha it was Judas, not Simon the Cyrenean, who was thus substituted."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm

Obviously, many of the other beliefs of the Docetists and other Gnostic sects are clear-cut kufr and deviance, however what is relevant here is the admission by the Christians themselves that there was indeed a controversy from the very earliest periods of Christianity regarding who exactly was killed on the cross.

And indeed, Allah revealed the truth of the matter in his Saying: {And because of their saying: "We killed the Messiah, 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah." But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not.} [An-Nisa': 157]

And Allah knows better.

courtesy:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/but-they-killed-him-not-nor-did-16671/

this is sooooooo funny, you must have a nice sense of humour. keep it up will give you the comedy of the year award.

all the assumption added shows me u do not research, you do not argue with open mind.

common read, the whole account and be lead into the truth

you no that these faceoff account about Jesus in the quaran is not true

Part two,
"Jesus will be back to marry and die"

"that God did face off for judas" and did fly away for Jesus.... part 2 coming soon

sincerely one of the two is a fraud.
God does not contracdict himself is not an author of confusion.

He does not say Jesus is the way then later says its Islam.

that can't ever be my God.

they are two opposite end that will never meet. not one single bases of comparison

LagosShia: please take note in addition to the explanation given above,that the Quranic verses in the OP may not have accurate translations.the translation given might have used words to send an alarming expression than the context intended in the actual verse.therefore make sure you cross-check the verses from a reliable muslim Quran translation.the ones presented that are accurately translated,you can find explation given in the article I earlier posted dealing with verses on jihad.

i will rather you take each of the verses he quoted and explain to us what they mean, emphasis on each please.

go back to the OP and explian each verses

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur'an 2:191

Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur'an 9:123

When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur'an 9:5

Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur'an 3:85

The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Qur'an 9:30 (does these have another meaning)

Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur'an 5:33

The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Qur'an 9:28

Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur'an 22:19

Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Qur'an 47:4

The unbelievers are silly; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur'an 8:65

Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur'an 3:28

Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur'an 8:12

Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur'an 8:60

armadeo: Why did Jesus instructed his desciples to sell their garment and buy SWORDS.


Pls enlighten me on this statement.

we did the one that ask them to get a sword laid down his life.

Peter with his sword slashed one of the king ordleys ear but he replaced it.

does this tells you anything about the person of Jesus

ISLam fufills the proclamation of God in ISHMAEL, 'your hand will always be on your brothers throat" "he will be full of rage and a man of the sword"

so am not suprise at all that ISlam amd muslims had turn out to be who they are today, samples abounds around me, the level of intolerance is unimaginable

May God av mercy on you Guys

saly kely: christianity prosper in nigeria by misinforming people about islam. The arab muslims av their issues with america who kill them on daily basis with drones, so it is nt suprising that d US ambasador was killed in libya. Afterall america contributed to d state of lawlesnes in libya.
Again, if nt 4 stupidity and ignorance why on earth will a nigerian xtian insult Allah? What will u think of an arab muslim insulting God just bc he knw him as Allah in his own language.
Again on d issue of figthin 4 GOD, WHAT did d CRUSADERS did in jerusalem? Why did moses and david fought wars on d instruction of God? Why did Jesus instructed his desciples to sell their garment and buy SWORDS. IGNORANT PEOPLE IF U DNT KNW D HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY IN EUROPE WHY NT GO AND READ. What was d punishment 4 blashphemy in eaurope during d papacy? Why were thousands BURNT ALIVE BY THE PAPACY? HUMAN RIGHT AND DIGNITY CAME TO EUROPE WITH D OVERTHROW OF PAPACY WITH SECULARISM.

Bros. deal with your internal issue, men by their friut you will no them, am yet to see the fruit of peace in Islam.

Christainity had its horrendous past, but the gates of hell could not pravail against it. God gives live that is all that we preach, nothing contrary to this truth in the bible and Jesus is the perfect epitome of our Faith.

wake up Islam, where is your PEACE. but no Christ is the Prince of PEACE can't have Peace without him.

i think we should just close this thread, Sweetnecta as already crossed his mind, no arguement can help his case.

against obvious fact he continue to dissent.

the holy spirit can not be explained to you, is an experience you should have, He lives in us believer He will live in you if you accept Jesus christ.

your figth is within, i beleive you are trying hard to convince yourself that islam is right inspite of the glarring emptiness inside of you.

Accept christ today and join the league of Sons that are lead by the Spirit.

"the Sweet holy Spirit, give me peace, and gives me a foretaste of what is to come, he helps my down, by him i speak in other tongues am a winner for life.

THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN SAVE YOU JUST EMBRACE CHRIST AND BE TRANFORMED

maclatunji: ^And you fail to grasp that Jesus and his gospel are a part of our religion. We can dissect the Bible and pick any truths we want from it. It is purely for debating with the likes of you. As for our daily lives and relationship with God, the Qur'an and teachings of the Prophet (SAW) are more than enough.

See tiara claiming the Bible like it is her personal inheritance.

keep picking the lettters without profit THE LETTER KILL BUT THE SPIRIT IS LIFE.

WHATEVER YOU PICK DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH THAT KEEPS HAUNTING.

MOST MUSLIM NO THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN CHRISTAINITY THAN WHAT ISLAM OFFERS BUT IT IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE

SO WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? SELF DENIAL AND TWISTING OF THE WORD OF GOD.

I PRAY YOUR EYE BE OPEN. CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SO REAL.

the bible called the Holy spirit the SEAL of our Salvation eph. 4:30
the bible spoke about the gift of the Spirit
the Fruit of the Spirit
the Bible said the spirit will take that which is of Jesus and show it to us.
in Romans it said as many as are lead by the spirit they are the sons of God.
the words says the spirit is a quickner. he quikens our mortal bodies.
the list is endless
this does not in any way relate to one mohammed has you have vainly protrayed

he did not even refer to himself as that spirit. stop trying to make him who is not