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jagunlabi:
You guys must be talking about the biblical god,from all those descriptions.Because they all fit him,perfectly.
You guys forgot to add the following;
The devil causes genocides or mass mudrers either directly by himself,and or in his glory.
The devil orders the killing of innocent children and animals.
The devil creates human beings only to punish them in etenal fire.
The devil actively supports slavery of humans.

I'll come up with more,later.

how do you mean? or are you quarrelling with your creator, i mean are you in good terms with your creator?

Witness:
who dey go one journey sef,

Are you afraid of babs787 or afraid of traveling, could it be because of traveling money or what?

samba123:
then who is the winner can you probe it? did you witness the even? or just guessing by your own statement? 

@Samba the  Athesist, where you there when your parents gave birth to you? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the  Athesist, where you there when the teachers arrived at 2 to be the answer of 1 plus 1, did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, then who made the sun to shine at day, can you probe it? did you witness the creation of the sun? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the  Athesist, How and where did you arrive on earth? is this earth? can you probe it? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, why do you wear cloth? to cover your unclothedness? who told you, you were naked? can you probe it? did you witness the unclothedness scene? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, why do you slide your mouth? who told you is smile? can you probe it? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, why do you believe the computer? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

tboy1:
I was going 2 say the same thing. Although i'm not igbo i have gone to at least 7 igbo weddings and i believe the age range was around 27 - 34 for the husbands
@Poster
You might probably know maybe 1 or 2 people that got married @ that age, that does not mean you should generalize the whole igbo tribe.

i guess it was only those 2 people that you know in Igbo land. And how did agree you asscertain that their age were b/w 27 and 34. or did you dicovered that on their faces or did they printed it on their wedding card, common you don't know anything about the igbo men and their late marriage stuff.

echelon:
Oh really? Well how did you come up with that? How can you be so exact at 43? Is it that you know one person that married at 43 and you are now generalizing? My last three cousins that married were less than 34 before marriage.

If truely you want to tell yourself the truth and keep away this your sentiments; truely the age brackets i 45,50 even 60 is correct

OMO IBO:
u seem bitter about something? did your boy friend tell u he has to make some money before taking u to the alter?

You are dirty inside and outside. shame to you for keeping a girl friend because surely the pit of hell is waiting for you. You seem to be because I have touch that part you wouldn't want people to know about.

jennykadry:
you r a darling

Thank you.

SAM MILLA:
@poster,
Did you also notice that igbo people are the least in divorce cases, They believe in being able to take care of their wives before marrying them. Average igbo guy does not depend on his fathers house or wealth. They want to build their own houses before getting married. I don't say this is right or wrong but i believe that marriage is not what you jump into because you love a girl or a boy, Besides why are other tribes not marrying at 12 or 13,
MY FATHER MARRIED AT 23 AND HE IS IGBO

Yes your father married, what about you. Igbo do not have the least in divorce case, where did you get that statistics from?

OMO IBO:
as an igbo boy, i've never really taken note of this trend. i thought everyone got married when they are ready and not when the material things are in place. if it so happens to be in the 30's, 40's and 50's then so be it

So be it. exactly what we are talking about, so why should it be? is it right?

echelon:
The average Igbo guy wants to "arrive" first before marrying. By that I mean buy a car, build a house, and have a fledging enterprise running before getting into marriage. These days they marry around age 30 and not 45/ 50/ 60 years

No, They don't marrry around 30 nor 35 but from 43 and above

@jennykadry

Revelation 12:7 (Whole Chapter)
Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (lucifer) and his angels.

babs787:
@May Kelly


You may call me whatever you feel like. It is a free world and there is freedom of expression.

He would soon come back with another id, from sysuser to sysuserx, not. seun and finally to witness and we have not seen what he really came to witness.

Yeye boy

@babs787, JESUS DIE FOR ME. That is my believe and even in the grave I will still say the same thing. Your Bible/Koran quote is incomplete. EVEN IN THE GRAVE JESUS IS THE GOD THE SON. Believe him for your sins; for those who put their trust in the FATHER THROUGH JESUS CHRIST HAVE NEVER BEEN DISAPPOINTED. Believe the bible it is the truth of all
rel igions.

May God the Father gives you understanding and opens up your inner mind and eyes and remove that believe that when you fight a war thereby killing others you will go to heaven hell

jennykadry:
@may kelly
could u please tell me where it was recorded?

and to others in the house

any idea where d above is recorded in d bible

@jennykadry, your question is a nice one. but i want to prepare you for the answer, could you please tell me how the Devil (Lucifer) came down on earth?

Am wondering why Igbo Men hate to marry in good time. Is it that they prefer money, house, wealth than having a wife? Please can somebody tell me why?

Gwam gwam Gwam "tum tum gem gem"?

Igbo kwe nu! iya, kwe nu!! iya, kwezo nu!!!

means: igbo people are great people. i hope am right

Abuzola:
Babs i dey feel u, can someone tell me is jesus God or son or a messenger * Note* father is different from son.

Read JOHN chapter 1
May God give you understanding.

Witness:
sounds like some people are starting to miss Sysuser

Stop that singing, Don't let your head grow big, no body is missing you and no body and nobody can ever miss you!

A letter from May kelly to the Bottom Less Pit

The Devil is the spirit in you, in other words the devil is you. It comes like a spirit of truth but really it is a decietful spirit.

The Devil cannot act alone, it must act though somebody both in spirit and in body.

The Devil cannot die but can be cast away.

The Devil will not stop tormenting your spirit soul and body untill it gets there.

The Devil does not have a particular colour; it can change black, blue, red, etc but can never change to WHITE.

The Devil have no mother nor father; the devil is a bastard.

The Devil is neither HE nor She, it is a non-living dead thing.

The Devil can not see in two directions; hence he fails all the time.

The Devil stands between FAILURE AND DISAPOINTMENT, and has no choice or option.

@witness, where have you been? and why this silence? or have you repented?

@ poster
relationship, worldly relationship. why not stop that if you are not ready to have her as a wife for now

@poster, you will be disappointed because you did not make your intention clear. But if I may ask "Are you Married or Single, and what is your sex.

Forget to get an answer from may kelly.

Uthainah:
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As Salam Alaikum All praise and adoration belongs to almighty God, the lord of the world. May His peace and blessing be on the noblest of souls The Great Prophet, his household, companions and the generality of great ones who follow his path.
Some people may question, why the need for this thread when there're so many one can be a part of , well, as true as this may sound, this topic is the basic and tenet of the religion

@Uthainah, I hope your not trying my ANGER with this your story story words above. Be careful or I will response, Religion ko, religion ni

babs787:
@Witness
You have my emaill address in my profile and if you are ready, let me know when you are ready and I will link you up with one or two people and dialogue on religion.
It is ok by me if you want it in Ibadan and if in any other place, I can arrange for your fare and you may come with one or two of your pastors and dialogue.
If it is a place I am and you wants to come, I can equally arrange for the fare and we have a discussion.
So the ball is in your court and I am sure God will touch your heart just like he did to me while in the darkness (christianity).

Hum, Is it as serious as this? Anyway sha, I wish witness SAFE JOURNEY IN ADVANCE.

babs787:
@Witness
Aburo/friend, read the below exposure and get in touch ASAP.
Let us expose some facts:

Jesus did not come to die

The Jews of Palestine expected the arrival of a Prophet who’d overthrow the Roman government and destroy the occupation, not to be crucified by them! Jesus made it clear that the purpose of his mission was to preach the Law and the Gospel (only) to the Children of Israel:

Jesus replied, "Let us go somewhere else—to the nearby villages—so I can preach there also. That is why I have come." (Mark 1:38)

But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent." (Luke 4:43)

For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matthew 18:11, KJV only)

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)

But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)


Jesus was unwilling to die:

Jesus escaped crucifixion because he did not want to die, that was not the purpose of his mission, and GOD saved him. According to the Gospels, Jesus was quite unwilling to be crucified, or even stoned:


After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. (John 7:1)

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8:59)

Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples. (John 11:54)

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
(Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42)


Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)

Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16)


The Bible teaches that false prophets must die:

The Jews and Romans never crucified Jesus, or else the mission would have failed, the Jews expected the Anointed One to be victorious the way David (the anointed) prevailed over his enemies; he was also betrayed by Ahithophel. Jesus could not have been the Messiah if he were executed. The Bible explicitly teaches that false prophets must die:


And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. (Deuteronomy 13:5)


But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deuteronomy 18:19)


The crucified Prophet is under God’s curse:


His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance. (Deuteronomy 21:23)


Amazingly, the Bible says that Jesus was crucified on a tree:

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30)


And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: (Acts 10:39)

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)


The scholar Arthur Weigall describes that Osiris was crucified upon a tree, like many previous ‘man-gods’, the cross was not unique, its pagan symbol. The Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus was crucified upon a ‘stake’. But the ‘tree story’ was indeed plagiarized from the story of Osiris and Isis.


"The Popular and widespread religion of Osiris and Isis exercised considerable influence upon early Christianity, for these two great Egyptian deities, whose worship had passed into Europe were revered in Rome and in several other centres, where Christian communities were growing up. Osiris and Isis, so runs the legend, were brother and sister and also husband and wife; but Osiris was murdered, his coffined body being thrown into the Nile, and shortly afterwards the widowed and exiled Isis gave birth to a son, Horus. The coffin, meanwhile, was washed up on the Syrian coast, and became miraculously lodged in the trunk of a tree, so that Osiris, like other sacrificed gods, could be described as having been.' slain and hanged on a tree.'


The Destruction of Jerusalem occurred in 70 CE, and copies of the Torah were destroyed by the Romans. The Diocletian persecution (303 CE) is witness to the historical destruction of Jewish and Christian books. The Pauline Church destroyed the Scriptures of the Nazarenes which contained the original sayings of Jesus, because it contradicted the pagan trinity.


The Roman occupation was never destroyed, the Jews dispersed into various parts of the world after the ‘foretold’ Messiah failed to deliver them. The Nazarenes and Ebionites were disappointed when Jesus did not return; the Gospels record Jesus saying he would ‘return’ during the lifetime of his people (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, Revelations 22:7, 12, 20) which sadly never happened. The prophecy failed.



God will save the Messiah

Now I know that the LORD saves his anointed;
he answers him from his holy heaven
with the saving power of his right hand. (Psalms 20:6)

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)

Psalms 20:6 refers to Jesus; God did save him with the power of His right hand. Jesus emphasized the power of God, His right hand. A purely figurative expression:

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matthew 26:64)

Jesus Christ has angels to protect him:


Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. (Matthew 4:11)

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Matthew 13:41)

And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. (Luke 22:43)


The Christ is Protected by God

"Do not touch my anointed ones;
do my prophets no harm." (1Chronicles 16:22)

O LORD God, do not reject your anointed one.
Remember the great love promised to David your servant. (2Chronicles 6:42)


Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

The LORD [is] their strength, and he [is] the saving strength of his anointed.

(Psalms 28:

The Greek word ‘Christ’ means the ‘anointed one’. Jesus was anointed, so therefore he was saved from crucifixion.

The Gospels describe how Jesus wept immensely to be saved from death. The crucifixion was the most humiliating form of execution, used for political reasons, and not religious purposes.

Many early Christian sects did not believe Jesus was crucified. Jesus laughed with joy:

Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all. Those, then, who know these things have been freed from the principalities who formed the world; so that it is not incumbent on us to confess him who was crucified, but him who came in the form of a man, and was thought to be crucified, and was called Jesus, and was sent by the Father.

(The Church Father Iranaeus, Against Heresies, Chapter XXIV.-Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides)



That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: (Al-The Great Book 4:157)


The 1945 discovery of Gnostic texts at Nag Hammadi, Egypt unearthed a book called The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, where Jesus states:


I did not succumb to them as they had planned. But I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me. And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance. (The Treatise of the Great Seth)

Contradictory Accounts of Jesus’ Alleged crucifixion

The four Gospels contradict each other; the story of the crucifixion is told differently in each Gospel. Logically, all four Gospels cannot be simultaneously true. Hence, the crucifixion is not historical, or the sources would be rather consistent if they were reliable. The attempt to “harmonize” the accounts is impossible because the contradictions are so vast.

“Actually, the fact that we have four gospels lies at the very heart of our problem. Because we read particular parables or sayings or stories in several different versions, we can't miss the disagreements between them"

“The Christians have dozens of different versions, rather than one universally agreed view, regarding the crucifixion of the Messiah. This in itself is an eloquent testimony that the Christians were doubtful about the actual event. Some of them held the view that the one who was crucified was someone other than Jesus and that Jesus himself in fact remained standing somewhere nearby, laughing at their folly… Had the truth been fully known and well-established so many divergent views could not have gained currency”.

The Bible rejects the ‘atonement’

To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. (Isaiah 1:11)

Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (Psalms 40:6)

For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering. (Psalms 51:16)]

"I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you, even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and they ate to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them." (Jesus Christ, The Gospel of the Nazorenes)

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.

And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. (Mark 12:30-33)

To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)

But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)

Jesus will have mercy and not sacrifice; he was not crucified for the ‘sins of the world’, but rather he was sent to put sinners to repentance. He came to preach the discarded teachings of the Torah (Matthew 5:17-20) he came to preach the Gospel (Matthew 4:23) he was Prophet and Messenger (Matthew 21:11) not the pagan ‘crucified Christ’ the Church upholds today.

Jesus made it clear that salvation is not attained through blood sacrifice, but simply keeping the commandments of God.

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17)

Jesus never said “salvation comes through my blood”, he simply told the man that salvation comes through obeying the commandments. The crucifixion is not even mentioned or alluded to. The Old Testament says:
The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."

(Joseph Wheless, The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, Acharya S)

The books [canonical gospels] are not heard of till 150 A.D., that is, till Jesus had been dead nearly a hundred and twenty years. No writer before 150 A.D. makes the slightest mention of them." (Bronson, C. Keeler, A Short History of the Bible)

"The Four Gospels were unknown to the early Christian Fathers. Justin Martyr, the most eminent of the early Fathers, wrote about the middle of the second century. His writings in proof of the divinity of Christ demanded the use of these Gospels had they existed in his time. He makes more than 300 quotations from the books of the Old Testament, and nearly one hundred from the Apocryphal books of the New Testament; but none from the four Gospels. (The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You to Read, Tim C. Leedom)

“Not a single Gospel was written down at the time of Jesus, they were all written long after his earthly mission had come to an end” (Maurice Bucaille, The Bible, the The Great Book, and Science p. 127),

“Each of the four canonical Gospels is religious proclamation in the form of a largely fictional narrative. Christians have never been reluctant to write fiction about Jesus, and we must remember that our four canonical Gospels are only the cream of a large and varied literature” (Rendal Helms, Gospel Fictions p.11)

haba! babs787, no matter how good selfish you are, you should first ask "WHERE IS WITNESS" or are you not missing him despite all the wahala his giving to you and me and to all as well? WHERE IS SYSUSER WITNESS?

I will be glad to have the man having enquired from my elder sister how good the man is both inside and outside, more especially if the man can perform his duty(ies) very well.