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Workch:
do you understand what a deistic god means?
It's a god claim by deist based on caused and effect, they argue that this universe cannot start on its own and since evidence suggest that gods don't interfere via miracles or revelation, it means something must have started everything and that something does not interfere.

How does this even compare to sango?

Two things:
1. The universe cannot start on its own
2. The thing that started the universe does not interfere henceforth.

We have evidence for number 2, we do not have evidence for or against number 1. We need evidence against number 1 to prove that such thing is nonsense. We cannot call it nonsense if we don't know how the universe started actually

Why do you think the universe cannot start on his own?
Do you know what “nature” means?

Workch:
Two things:
1. The universe cannot start on its own
2. The thing that started the universe does not interfere henceforth.

How do you know the universe can not start on his own, do you have enough evidence to conclude on this?

Workch:
do you understand what a deistic god means?
It's a god claim by deist based on caused and effect

Cause and effects are not distinct, they are the same in parts.
When you see a cat walking out from a shade, you see his head first, but you already know you are still going to see the tail.
It’s a one motion thing.

SIRTee15:

I say you are elohim, you are sons of the most high.

These elohim will they die or not. Are they mere mortals?
That's my question.

I'm not interested in your definition of LORD, Lord or lord.

And i want you to backtrack, who do you think elohims are?
They are dummy idols far worse than mere mortals.

This is the father of all the elohims, IsraEl, he is Eloah.

SIRTee15:

I say you are elohim, you are sons of the most high.

These elohim will they die or not. Are they mere mortals?
That's my question.

I'm not interested in your definition of LORD, Lord or lord.

The “gods” that Jesus talked about, will they die or not?
What’s “gods” in Aramaic, jesus language?

This are not my definition, this are basic information for intellectuals.

SIRTee15:
The elohim that will preside over judgements with God, are they mere mortals not not.
That's what I want to know.

What does “mere mortal” mean?
Go and ask ask a Judaist to explain their book to you.
Read the verse bro

Psalm 82:1– yahweh standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the elohim.

Read!
A Psalm of Asaph, Psalm 82,” the first verse reads: אלוהים נצב בעדת אל בקרב אלוהים ישפט – Elohim Nitzav Ba’ehdat El Bekerev Elohim Yishpot – “…God takes His stand in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the rulers.”

A form of the word Elohim appears three times in this verse, the first time it refers to God(yahweh)Himself, the second time it is speaking of “the congregation of God,” and the third time refers to “the rulers” of the people. The human rulers spoken of in the context of this chapter are clearly “judges,” those who make judgements for the people.

SIRTee15:
The word Lord is simply adonai. adonai is a plural word, when used in singular form, it's lord.
The plural form L ord is used for God because all his names are plural.
While lord is used for humans like master.

The right word in this chapter is Lord. This Lord described here is a divine being and not mere human

He's at the right hand of God- son of God.

He has no beginning or end.
The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”

Don’t you know what singular and plural means again?
Adon means lord i.e father.
The pluralization of adon "my lord" is adonai "my lords.


The hebrew word used there is aleph-dalet-nun-yud).
It is repeated in genesis 19:2.

רְחוֹב נָלִין
and he said: 'Behold now, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your way.' And they said: 'Nay; but we will abide in the broad place all night.'

SIRTee15:
Is there any Davidic or Solomon lineage reigning on a physical throne today? Then psalm 45 cannot be talking about their physical lineage.
The Davidic line that will rule forever is the Messiah. And his reign is a divine rulership.

They might still be reigning ooo
This are jewish myths and Roman Parody.
https://news.sky.com/story/holy-oil-to-anoint-king-charles-iii-at-his-coronation-is-consecrated-in-jerusalem-12824834

He is holding globus cruciger and wearing a sceptre.

Your throne, O Elohim, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Psalm 45.6-7

SIRTee15:
So judges that presides with God will die like mere mortals.

Psalm 82:1– yahweh standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the elohim.

Read!
A Psalm of Asaph, Psalm 82,” the first verse reads: אלוהים נצב בעדת אל בקרב אלוהים ישפט – Elohim Nitzav Ba’ehdat El Bekerev Elohim Yishpot – “…God takes His stand in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the rulers.”

A form of the word Elohim appears three times in this verse, the first time it refers to God(yahweh)Himself, the second time it is speaking of “the congregation of God,” and the third time refers to “the rulers” of the people. The human rulers spoken of in the context of this chapter are clearly “judges,” those who make judgements for the people.

Yahweh will be proud.

SIRTee15:
The changing of LORD to Lord is a copy and paste problem.
All English bible refers to the first word as LORD which is YAHWEH.
All other sentence and words remain valid.

You are reading a VERSION not a Translation.
Calm down, I’m talking about the Second lord

In this passage the first word (LORD) in Hebrew is the four-letter (yud-hai-vav-hai) sacred name of G-d. However the second (Lord) is a completely different word spelled (aleph-dalet-nun-yud). Although this letter combination of letters can spell a name of God, there is no example in Tanach where this particular form (prefixed by the Hebrew letter “lamed- ל” which mean “to,”) is used to mean “to my God.”

In modern Hebrew, it is used like the English word "sir" or “master.” The phrase “slicha adonee” means “excuse me sir.” Based on this mistranslation many Christian English New Testaments intentionally capitalize the letter “L” to promote their opinion that this word is Divine.

Workch:
lol

You are an atheist to all gods but agnostic to your own deistic god 😂😂

Apart from nairaland which other space have you argued this?

SIRTee15:
Is there any Davidic or Solomon lineage reigning on a physical throne today? Then psalm 45 cannot be talking about their physical lineage.
The Davidic line that will rule forever is the Messiah. And his reign is a divine rulership.

Did jesus ever reign on any throne till now?

Or when will the “forever” start?

SIRTee15:
Here's psalm 82.

[i]God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:

2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.

Where did you read psalm 82:5 from?

So god is presiding among the wicked?

Because that verse is talking about the wicked, the elohims that i said are people of authority that have been anointed, judges, rulers.

Verse 5 was talking about the wicked people.
Verse 6 is talking about the judges that presides with yahweh.

😂😂

SIRTee15:
So u believe in Judaism. U believe the tanakh is true.

I know judaism, tanakh is a mythology book just like theogony. The tanakh is talking about isrealite people and their gods. Theogony about the greeks and their gods, all of them are fighting local deities in their various regions

The New Testament you have is a Roman Parody.

Workch:
I do, I know the difference.
It's the opposite side of same coin If evidence does not exist either ways.

Atheism and Theism are both flawed

It is illiteracy that is worrying you.

A yahweh worshipper disbelieves in allah and zeus.
An atheists does not believe in any god either yahweh allah, zeus etc.

SIRTee15:
Maynman is Noe officially an anti-trinitarian. See how she's using the bible to disprove trinity...no longer Wikipedia.

I’m using the Tanakh do disprove the nonsense you have in your Christian bible VERSION.

There’s a reason the jews reject Iesus chrestus.

SIRTee15:
The gods spoken about here are humans.
Yes we humans are gods but this verse clearly states these gods are mortal and will die.

“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

The elohim spoken about in psalm 45 cannot be human because he will reign forever.

Your throne, O God,[c] will last for ever and ever;

Maynman is Noe officially an anti-trinitarian. See how she's using the bible to disprove trinity...no longer Wikipedia.

Where in the verse is this?
“ The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.”

The throne which is the davinic line will last forever.
See here.
Thus, it is said: “Solomon sat upon the throne of the Lord as king, in place of his father, David, and he was successful” (1 Chronicles 29:23).

And that psalm 45 was by sons of koher in a WEDDING, where the musicians doing the prophecy?

Workch:
I have not seen a leprechaun creating gods, I don't see how that matters here.

But you have seen a deistic god creating anything talkless of a planet?

SIRTee15:
Good, then Psalm 45 cannot be talking about any Israelite king.

This your earlier arguments are null and void.

You don’t understand the Jewish books you are gobbling.

A Psalm of Asaph, Psalm 82,” the first verse reads: אלוהים נצב בעדת אל בקרב אלוהים ישפט – Elohim Nitzav Ba’ehdat El Bekerev Elohim Yishpot – “…God takes His stand in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the rulers.”

A form of the word Elohim appears three times in this verse, the first time it refers to God(yahweh)Himself, the second time it is speaking of “the congregation of God,” and the third time refers to “the rulers” of the people. The human rulers spoken of in the context of this chapter are clearly “judges,” those who make judgements for the people.

SIRTee15:

This is another one for u
Psalm 110

The Lord says to my Lord:

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”

2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of your enemies!”
3 Your troops will be willing
on your day of battle.
Arrayed in holy splendor,
your young men will come to you
like dew from the morning’s womb.

4 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

U dumb head that should be in Sunday school learning basic bible principles would come here with kindergarten knowledge to debate Christian theology.
.

Be careful of the bible VERSION you are reading.

In this passage the first word (LORD) in Hebrew is the four-letter (yud-hai-vav-hai) sacred name of G-d. However the second (Lord) is a completely different word spelled (aleph-dalet-nun-yud). Although this letter combination of letters can spell a name of God, there is no example in Tanach where this particular form (prefixed by the Hebrew letter “lamed- ל” which mean “to,”) is used to mean “to my God.”

In modern Hebrew, it is used like the English word "sir" or “master.” The phrase “slicha adonee” means “excuse me sir.” Based on this mistranslation many Christian English New Testaments intentionally capitalize the letter “L” to promote their opinion that this word is Divine.


This are JEWISH BOOKS.

Workch:
No I haven't, but I have seen people make numerous claims of it.
If I see a pastor heal an HIV patient that I tested by myself, I will believe in miralces, if not I will be a fool to believe it because I saw it on TV

How will the pastor heal the HIV patients? By prayers or what exactly?
And which method will you use to test that it was that healing they did the “miracle”?

SIRTee15:
U just jumping and down. You usual straw man argument.
The question is simple. Was the title elohim used for any Israelite king?
It doesn't matter if elohim is a Hebrew word or not. Or it can be used as gods.
Did any Israelite king ever called himself Elohim. That's my question.

You just displaying your ignorance.
Elohim is not a chieftain title.
Kings are not only the one that are referred to as elohim.

Workch:
we have scientific fact that a human can no curse thunder, it's a fact. We don't have scientific fact as to whatever start or how the universe started. It's why a diestic God question remains very open

Is this deistic “god” also human like the theistic “god”?

Workch:
nonody has been able to demystify a deistic god. Not even atheists.

have you ever wondered why deism is not popular?

Deism comes from Deus.
Yahweh is also a Deus.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/philosophy/philosophy-terms-and-concepts/deists

Workch:
I'm interested in demystifying the deistic god. Should I tell you bout it so you can be a bit foucs?

Why don’t we first start by knowing what “deistic” means and how the word became a notion you are using now?

Workch:
There are many concept of gods, depending on one's delusions. It's why we have amadioha, sango, yahweh etc with different attributes. I don't care about these guys.

No there are not many concepts of “god”.
God means what is libated upon.
“God” is an English word that has his origin.

What you should be asking is what qualifies a thing to be a “god”, there can not be answers because the DEFINITION OF GOD IS BASED ON BELIEF TO START WITH.

Workch:
get me right. So you don't go around what I am not really arguing for.

I don't care about all concept of gods, I don't care about the Christian God or Thor or zeus. If it's about these gods, I will be an atheists.

The particular God that is making me an agnostic is the deistic god. If you can not address this particular type of God, then you may not get anything from this argument. Whatever you say may not be relevant to me

So you are an atheist to other gods but agnostic to deistic god.
Lordreed 😂

Workch:
My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

So not all theists thinks “god” created us, you have own specific theism.

Workch:
My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

Your own definition of “God”? 😂😂😂

We don’t have many concepts of “God”, god is an English word that means what is “libates upon”.

Your own definition of god 😂😂

Workch:
I don't think anything created us. I'm agnostic.
Theists think so, since I don't have evidence against it yet.

This is illiteracy, theists don’t think so, some theists think so especially among monotheists.

vdestro:
Change of Post!

You are deep into abrahamaic religions.