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Christianity Etc › Re: Fact: Christians Are The Most Intelligent People On Earth (Pic) by Maynman: 8:39am On Jul 24, 2023*

Westerhoffe:
You can't compare people who are guided by the Spirit of GOD with others guided by their thoughts.

Hope when it comes to big bang formulated by a Christian, the spirit of your god won’t turn to be a liar?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Test Us by Maynman: 8:35am On Jul 24, 2023

Okporiaku:
It is well known that God is an omniscient being that knows the past, present and future
But why does he still test his children when he knows the outcome
It is just like giving me a test knowing fully well that I'll score 10/10 but still proceeding to test me

So he can make you feel guilty.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is There Any Miracle Perform By Allah by Maynman: 8:31am On Jul 24, 2023

famozine1:
Please am not trying to disrespect the Islamic religion am just trying to compare somethings,
Like some Muslim usually say, they will say, the God of christians.

The god of the christians is Yahweh for better identification wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 8:23am On Jul 24, 2023

benodic:
Look for the blessing.
The person who is causing us the most trouble is also giving us a chance to learn the most about ourselves spiritually.

Sri Harold Klemp
The Awakening Soul

If you keep looking you will never find because all what you are looking for is right within you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity Is The Only Religion Of Peace by Maynman: 8:22am On Jul 24, 2023

Queenttoast01:
2 Timothy chapter 3
King James Version

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 8:11pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
This will be true about Genesis 1. But I would not say it applies to Genesis 2 where Adam and Eve do not seem to be equal to each other. Jewish tradition and culture has in fact emphasised that lack of "equality".

Genesis 2 human does definitely not seem equal to Genesis 1 human to me.

They were separated in genesis 2.

The “rib” here means tsela, which means a side of something,.
In every context the word refers to the whole side of a bilaterally symmetrical object. the most appropriate translation would be "side."

Several ancient texts (discovered in 1945 near Nag Hammadi, Egypt) show that the biblical creation accounts were interpreted freely and allegorically in the first few centuries of the common era. In some of these texts, Eve is depicted as a powerful force while Adam is passive.

Apocalypse of Adam (c. 50–150)
In this work, Adam speaks and says that Eve “taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God.” The text thus refers to Eve as a teacher of theological knowledge.

“This particular blessing (or for women, “Blessed art thou, O Lord our G-d, King of the universe, for having made me according to His will”), is preceded in the prayer book by two others thanking G-d for being a Jew and for not being a slave. Together, the three help a Jew express gratitude for his or her particular lot in life. Men thank G-d for being placed in a position to perform more mitzvot (obligations) than women, since Torah assigns them a greater number. The Torah tells us that the fact that men have more mitzvot indicates they have further to go in order to perfect themselves in the world. The Torah tells us that women, on the other hand, in order to accomplish their specific mission, are born more spiritually evolved. Thus, a man can legitimately thank Hashem for not having been made a woman, because he has a greater number of opportunities to use the mitzvot as tools to connect to G-d.”
https://torah.org/learning/women-class31/

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:39pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
I can live with this since a human being who is lord of hundreds of hectares and thousands of Adam's might be considered an elohim. Some see Elon Musk and Bezos as Gates and Soros as elohims too.

Elohim means idols, idols means reflection in a mirror or river.

That’s right.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:38pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
Very instructive indeed, as agreed with in part below, and other instructions have and can be gotten from it too.

Genesis 2 is also very instructive also as you are showing, that a story that emphasizes hierarchy and dominance and that has been used to enslave, can also free from oppression and slavery, depending on the character focused on.

There were referring to biblical editors for making sure they made the difference clear.
It’s as though the Biblical editor wishes to make it absolutely clear that both men and women are a simultaneous and equal product of God’s Divine creation of humankind

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:22pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
Is it possible that the Genesis 1 creations was a creation of more pantheon gods while Genesis 2 was the creation of the dumb stupid humans? It's not as if the human man and woman started off with the intelligence and powers we read gods had.

The elohim might just be human beings too.

The word "image" is translated from the Hebrew tselem, and it means "shape, resemblance, figure, shadow."
This same word appears in Genesis 5:3: "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image [tselem], and named him Seth."

The editors of the Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible have to admit that tselem carries the meaning of concrete form and physical resemblance. Man looks like the Elohim.

Scholars said the story of jacob fighting with El and been able to duel shows that jacob was also revered as an Elohim in ancient Hebrew history.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:15pm On Jul 23, 2023

oteneaaron:
I haven't done a deep dive into the philosophy of the Kabbalah - yet.

I will do some research on Malcut.

Alright.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:15pm On Jul 23, 2023*

oteneaaron:
It is said that this ELOHIM or pantheon of "God's" is the same as the ANNUNAKI from the ancient Sumerian epic.

The top two figures in this pantheon are -

ENKI VS ENLIL - Sumerian

ZUES VS POSIEDON - Greecian

Jehovah VS The Lord - Hebrew, etc.

The same entities with just different names...

I won’t say directly from annunaki.
Hebrews are simply cannanites, so they got it from the cannanite religion, but yahweh is a foreign semitic god, it was El that was the original god.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:14pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
What you posted states that there were "various views", so I think it would be wrong to present the view of one group as if it were the only view possible.

What i wanted to point out was the male and female line.
And the Gods created adam (humankind) in their image, in the image of Gods created; male and female created them.
The insertion of the phrase zachar u'n'kayvah bara otam male and female created them is especially instructive.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 7:05pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
The creation in God's image was not in a trance.

The deep sleep i was talking about was in genesis 2:21.

And the word for “god” here is elohim, which means gods, it is a pantheon, the head of the pantheon is El.
That’s why in genesis 1:26, they were discussing let’s make man(humankind) in our image, male and female.

The pantheon consists of male and female gods like queen asheerah.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 6:49pm On Jul 23, 2023

oteneaaron:
Yes, I have read about the demiurge.

A school of thought argues that - The Demiurge is the same person as Yahweh or Jehovah, who is also the same person as Yaldaboath, who is still the same person as ENLIL from the Sumerian epic.

Yeah, all mythologies using symbolism.
Do you read on Kabbalah too?
Yaldaboath is Malchut.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Get PREPARED! There Is No More Time. JESUS CHRIST Is Coming by Maynman: 6:46pm On Jul 23, 2023

preciousee17:
By the way, now. I can't and won't advice anyone to go for any jamb class.
It's literally very close, closer than ever.

Why is it that it is only christians that are always predicting doom?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 6:35pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
Is there (not) a difference between "male and female", and "man" and "woman"?

Both are separately used in the text, you'd find, with perhaps different meanings.

The hebrew term there specifically refers to male and female, as in androgynous.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 6:33pm On Jul 23, 2023

oteneaaron:
This is interesting Maynman.

The fact that you called Eve a philosopher casts my mind back to a Gnostic Scripture from the Nag Hammadi Library titled: "The Revelation of Adam"

Yes, you will also know about the demiurge.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 6:30pm On Jul 23, 2023

budaatum:
But Adam was not androgynous, I don't think, since the "a man" and "the man" and "a woman" as seen in text below, are very distinctly specifically different to "he created man in his own image male and female he created them".

7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

I am asking because your thread shows a departure from the established 'belief' about Eve and recognition of her virtue, and hoping you'd also see through the likely false understanding that created from mud Adam was the same creation in God's image. I don't understand that they are nor do I see good reason to assume they are.

I said male and female, not man and woman.

The “rib” here means tsela, which means a side of something,.
In every context the word refers to the whole side of a bilaterally symmetrical object. the most appropriate translation would be "side."

And the “deep sleep” here doesn’t mean sleep but like a trance.

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Christianity Etc › Re: On Islam (from Quora) by Maynman: 6:12pm On Jul 23, 2023

lawani:
It captures the message in my poem about religion 'They would rather burn in hell than get deprogrammed'

From Quora

Christians and any religion also start from birth.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 6:10pm On Jul 23, 2023

preciousee17:
You'll soon learn that this is not a one-off 😂
I hope you know that you aren't arguing with someone who can think logically with his/her/shim brain, you are arguing with someone who copies and pastes any and every info found on Google search.
Somehow, it's better to argue with Google Bard AI chatbot...

The Bible talks about God closing the eyes, ears and hearts of people, so they won't see, hear or understanding. God talks about handing people over a spirit of strong delusion (for their hard hearts), so they will never have the chance to understand again and repent. And they'll be destroyed.
I think this should be the second of such people that I've met here on NL

Not to forget that you lied about the RSV on masoteric text and septaugint just to defend your deity, Muslims call it taqqiya.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 6:06pm On Jul 23, 2023

preciousee17:
You'll soon learn that this is not a one-off 😂
I hope you know that you aren't arguing with someone who can think logically with his/her/shim brain, you are arguing with someone who copies and pastes any and every info found on Google search.
Somehow, it's better to argue with Google Bard AI chatbot...

The Bible talks about God closing the eyes, ears and hearts of people, so they won't see, hear or understanding. God talks about handing people over a spirit of strong delusion (for their hard hearts), so they will never have the chance to understand again and repent. And they'll be destroyed.
I think this should be the second of such people that I've met here on NL

It is when it comes to your religion that all of google is incorrect, all of history is incorrect because of isrealite god, yahweh.

You believe that a virgin can give birth, you believe that a snake can talk and you believe that people lived for hundred of years, but i am the one delusional for pointing it out to you.

I really don’t blame you, the indoctrination has been from birth.. if you were born muslim you will be hardcore worshipping allah, you won’t be afraid of yahweh but allah.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 5:49pm On Jul 23, 2023*

budaatum:
Is there a connection between "tselem", and the "dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life" from which Adam became a living being?

Also consider the instruction both were given. Is it the same instruction or does it differ, and were the rewards the same for both creations?

Tselem is the dust that was created, the breathe which was uncreated is the essence, exactly, breathe of life.

The instruction was given to adam who is androgynous.
There were no rewards.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 5:39pm On Jul 23, 2023*

budaatum:
Just one thing would I ask you to consider. Is it understood by you that Adam and Eve are the same creation in Elohim's image?

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

The Hebrew word for image here is “tselem” which is derived from a shorter Hebrew word, “tzel”, meaning “shadow.”
Genesis 1:27 says, he created man in his own image male and female he created them.
Which will make adam androgynous.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Relevance Of Church Or Mosque In Today's Nigeria? by Maynman: 4:32pm On Jul 23, 2023

drinkgarri:
These days, I find it difficult to attend church. What roles are our clerics playing in healing our land?

Church means Circus.

Circus are interesting.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Do I Get To Know Jesus?" by Maynman: 4:29pm On Jul 23, 2023

ReacherSaidNoth:
You're right. I'm not in the spirit of delusion.

😂😂🤣

Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 4:04pm On Jul 23, 2023*

Image123:
Exactly why they are called miracles darling.

Yes in a mythology, my dear.

You are worshipping a Roman Parody.

Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 4:04pm On Jul 23, 2023

Image123:
At least i have grace, thank you Jesus.

Easier said…

Christianity Etc › Eve, The Philosopher. by Maynman(op): 4:03pm On Jul 23, 2023*

Philosopher is from Ancient Greek φιλόσοφος philósophos literally “Lover of Wisdom”.

As I read the story of Adam and Eve in the Torah, specifically exploring the events surrounding their fall, I discovered remarkable layers of meaning.
In my interpretation, I found a sense of profound heroism in Eve’s actions, despite the prevalent negative perception of her in the Christian New Testament, as exemplified in 1 Timothy 2:13 — 15.

Let us delve into the intricacies of this tale. In Genesis 2:9, the Elohim instructed Adam and Eve to eat all the fruits in the garden which were pleasant to the eye and good for food, except for the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Adam and Eve were strictly forbidden from eating the fruit of Life and Knowledge, yet they were not provided with a clear explanation as to why it was harmful. Instead, they were merely threatened with consequences if they were to consume it.
This situation can be likened to instructing a child not to eat a certain food under the threat of punishment, without actually revealing the genuine reason behind the prohibition.
Perhaps we will uncover the true rationale behind the forbidden fruit in this article.

In Genesis 2:22, it should be noted that Adam “rib” was named woman because she was taken from man. Although the word used here, “tsela,” does not mean rib, but rather it means the side of something. In chapter 3:1–5, we encounter the serpent, described as wiser than all the animals in Paradise. It came and engaged in a conversation with the woman.
The serpent promised the woman three things if they ate the fruits of the tree in the middle of the garden. The details of these three promises will be discussed in another separate article.
After the serpent made its promises, we see in Genesis 3:6, that the woman observed the tree to be pleasant to the eyes and good for food, just like the other fruits in the garden.
However, what made this Tree more advantageous than others was that its fruits were desirable for anyone seeking Wisdom.
This is why I refer to Eve as a Philosopher, a philosopher simply means a lover of wisdom, someone who desires Wisdom for the sake of it, And the Opposite of it, a Misosopher, someone that has hatred for Wisdom.

Nowhere is Eve’s superiority and numinous power more evident than in her role as Adam’s awakener. After eating the fruit that grants wisdom, she didn’t monopolize it, but instead she also shared it with her husband. She understood that wisdom is better shared and should not be hidden or kept away. Just as you don’t light a candle in a dark room and keep it under your bed, but rather place it where it can be efficiently utilized, seen, and used by everyone.
Matthew 5:15-16

Having consumed the fruit, Adam and Eve, endowed with newfound wisdom, craftily fashioned aprons for themselves, Just like the Elohim they started making things too. When the Elohim found out, they became jealous and cursed them. The fruit did indeed contain real wisdom. So why was it banned?

However, neither Adam nor Eve pleaded for mercy, exhibited remorse, or expressed regret for their actions. Instead, Adam’s immediate response after the condemnation in Genesis 3:20 was to extol his wife. In that significant moment, the man chose to rename his wife as Eve (Hawwa), acknowledging her as the mother of all living. Just as Adam became the father of all living through their partaking from the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, this renaming emphasized Eve’s profound role as the progenitor, nurturing the existence of all living beings.
Finally, In Genesis 3:22, Elohim points out that “the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”
Does this verse reveal the true rationale behind why they should not eat the fruit?

According to Genesis 1:27, Adam and Eve were initially created in the image of Elohim as there servants, intended to till(‘ābad) and guard (šāmar) the garden as stated in Genesis 2:5 and 2:15.
However, they lacked wisdom and the knowledge of good and evil. It was through Eve’s actions that they attained a deeper understanding, becoming akin to the Elohim, acquiring the knowledge of good and evil. The garden was originally designed for them, as images of Elohim, to tend to.
Yet, Adam and Eve transcended this purpose and gained the ability to create their own garden, akin to the Elohim themselves.

Eve’s yearning for wisdom, even above the appeal of visually pleasing and nourishing food, cannot be considered a wrongful act, as we see in proverbs 4:6–7.
“Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you; love her, and she will watch over you. Wisdom is supreme; therefore, get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding.”

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Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 3:35pm On Jul 23, 2023

Image123:
That's why it's called a miracle dear, take care.

These “miracle” happens regularly in other mythologies, my dear.

Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 3:35pm On Jul 23, 2023

Image123:
So i have grace, God is wonderful.

You have grace until you die then people will use your death as a prayer reference when thanking their god for saving them and giving them grace, until they also die too and another will use them as prayer references and testimony. Circle goes on and on.

These people also shouted they had grace, now they are used as prayer reference.

Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 3:30pm On Jul 23, 2023

Image123:
Children of God don't die na, is it every little thing i must teach you?

You have grace until you die, sha remember

Christianity Etc › Re: Frightening Friday! by Maynman: 3:29pm On Jul 23, 2023

Image123:
What if i told you that i am a medical doctor? Anyways, a virgin cannot get pregnant without sperm. That's why it's called a miracle dear, take care.

The story of a virgin giving birth to son of god is very common in Ancient greek and Roman, my dear.

The sign virgo represents it.

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