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lawani:
It is accepted in science that not all questions can be answered. Some truths must be used without proof. We have enough proof of God though but of who created God, we don't, maybe we are the creator who knows?. We will never find out.

Where is it accepted in science?
Who accepted it?
A link to it?

lawani:
since you said something is heresy if not accepted by the majority then it means Islam and Christianity are heresies

In christianity we have orthodox which means “correct belief”, now before anything can be orthodox that means something else has to be heresy.

Your Trinity concept was made orthodox because it serve the Roman especially constantine.
There were various early christian especially the jewish christians that rejected the doctrine of virgin birth or that Jesus was son of god.

All that doctrine you have now is a doctrine of the Trinity created by the Catholic.
Other Christians were kiled because they did not follow the Roman command of Trinity.

lawani:
Majority of clergy men don't accept the positions of Christianity nor Islam but majority accept the positions of Hindu, Buddhism, Isese, Shinto etc and since you said something is heresy if not accepted by the majority then it means Islam and Christianity are heresies

Where and when did “clergy men” vote?

Do you even know what clergy means? 😂

lawani:
Can you mention any other group in the world threatening people with hell fire for unbelief?. Wars of theology are the addition by Christianity and Islam to decivilize the world.

Your concept of “hell fire” is gotten from greek, norse, latin,judaism etc.

First start to learn where the word “hell” comes from before it was used in your New Testament.
What’s hell in Hebrew?
Your jewish savior is Jewish right, or did he speak English?
What did he call “hell”?

lawani:
You are right with your definition of heresy and by that definition both Islam and Christianity are heresies while the theory of relativity is not

Islam and christianity are not heresy, you still don’t get it.
It is DOCTRINE that can be heresy.
Your trinity is someone’s DOCTRINE supported by constantine, the reason why trinity is the main orthodox now is because of the support of him.

Catholic was made state religion in Rome, not christianity. Anyone that did not worship trinity was killed.

lawani:
There are only two theologies of know it all mentality and animated hatred of others. They are the ones that want to convert the whole world. They are the only religions. Others are harmless traditions. I wonder when you will understand this. Islam and Christianity are the only religions

There are other religions that predated christianity and islam.
Both stemming from Judaism, Abrahamaic religion.
Judaism comes from yahwism. Yes yahweh your god

No religion has killed more people than Christianity and islam.

The ignorance is alarming.

lawani:
That is exactly what I mean by saying heresy should be introduced but people should not be prevented from practicing heresy behind closed doors in their private space where no one can see them

You don’t know what “Heresy” means.
Heresy is simply the opinion with less support, it doesn’t mean it is wrong.

You worship the Trinity, a Catholic concept, even the early fathers reject it, it was made orthodox in nicene creed.
To non trinitarians, you are a heretic.

lawani:
In Yoruba theology all existence both heaven and Earth consisting of all galaxies, alternate universes and etc are inside two calabashes covered one on top of each other. Me and you are inside this covered calabash

In yoruba theology there is no “heaven”.
And again, heaven means SKY, not a place.

Stop lying!

lawani:
Actually no heresy in any traditional theology because no religion but presently as there is now religion, heresy needs to be introduced. Culture is never static

All religion is traditional.

You lack what heresy means.
A thing can only be heresy after it has been concluded by the members of that society.

Your trinity was made orthodox and other heresy because it was concluded in the nicene creed with the help of constantine.

The ignorance is alarming.

lawani:
Our knowledge on this plane is bounded, our wisdom is bounded and etc, so in many ways, we are like statues, not the real thing, but obviously we can tap into the real thing as we all have access, and equally. The real thing knows everything, is all wise and can do anything. This is now my new position. I believe humans too are inherently able to get closer and closer to this state of the real thing, especially by harnessing both matter and mind properly. However, you have to be omni science, omnipotent and etc if you are claiming to be God.

Statues don’t have freewill, any deformity the statue has was created by the sculpture.
Won’t the sculpture be stupid to now blame the statues for appearing like they are?

lawani:
I agree that a creation can not be more advanced on the overall than the creator but it can be more efficient for specific tasks which brings the question of why the non material world was created by the non material beings

The efficiency of a creation is determined by the creator.

How do you create a non material world?

lawani:
However I have since observed that there are creations that are less advanced than the creator, creations like statues for instance, are mere images of the real thing. Those creations were made, not as a tool for the creator but for the pleasure of the creator. Statues are the most common things that fall into this category. They are images of people. This is the only argument to support the idea that the creator of man is more advanced than man. If man is a tool, the argument will no longer suffice but as an image it suffices.

😂😂.

lawani:
I have written in the past that the creation is often more advanced than the creator. A calculator does sums faster than humans and was created for that purpose. An iron tool was created to cut things better. An aircraft or automoble to move faster. This is why Artificial intelligence will surpass human intelligence infinitely.

How is a calculator more advanced than his creator because he can only sums things faster?
Is your fridge more advanced that you because it makes things colder?

All what you listed can only do the work, the Creator asked it to do, and not to forget none of this can work on their own.

Al ONLY has information that’s uploaded to it.

lawani:
It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

How can a non-material human being die?
Who created death and the ability to die?

“Olorun can only be incarnated if he was deposed in orun which means he is no longer olorun and it is the current olorun we should be interested in.”


That’s how you sound.

lawani:
It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

You don’t even know what heresy means.

lawani:
Irunmales are non material human beings. Olodumare is their King. The name of their capital is Ogotun and his title is Agotun. He chairs a ruling council of 401 irunmales. He himself is an irunmale. That is the teaching in Yoruba theology. There is nothing like orun apaadi or orun rere. I think those are descriptions brought into Yoruba language through religion. Heaven is just like Earth, so Olodumare is married with wife, kids,servants and etc but no account of God becoming flesh in Yoruba theology.

Irunmales only exist in yoruba mythology.


“Heaven is just like earth”, there is no “heaven” in yoruba mythology.
Heaven is not a PLACE. Heaven means SKY.


Orun has been translated as Heaven. But the truth is Orun and Islamic / Christian Heaven doesn't mean the same thing.
The idea of heaven filled with golden streets, 72 virgins and mansion is Alien to us. Also the concept of Heaven is UP and Hell is Down is foreign to us. infact, we don't have the equivalent of Hellfire in Yoruba language .. The word hell was translated as Orun Apadi. Apadi literally mean "Broken Pot" The original stance of afterlife of the yoruba people is misconceived/altered by Islam and christianity.

So what is Orun?
Orun is a contraction of Orirun.
The word Orirun is formed from two words "Ori" and "Run" Ori is very important to yoruba people, that's why you can't see any Yoruba art or sculpture without the head, sometimes it's just the head.

There are two types of Ori:
(1) Ori Ode (Physical Head)
- used extensively to mean
-- The top
-- The Physical Self(A whole)
-- The Pinnace
-- The highest point
-- The main place
-- The major point
(2) Ori Inú (Spiritual Head)
-- Soul
-- Spiritual self
Used extensively as:
--Destiny
--Life path
--Life purpose

When "Run" means:
--Originated (from)
--initiate (from)
--stem (from)
When you put Ori-run together it means the main place of origination.
The synonyms will be "The Source"
The word doesn't suggest a particular place in the sky.
According to Yoruba belief, when you die, you join your soul group. It might be below the ground, Jupiter, or one of the stars. Orrun (The source) is not a specific place. They believe that when you die, you go back to that particular source you came from. Orun or Orirun is not one specific place where everybody goes.
Orun is just a strong version of Orírun.
There is no promise of mansions, streets filled with gold, praising a deity for eternity while others burn in hell

lawani:
I have written in the past that the creation is often more advanced than the creator. A calculator does sums faster than humans and was created for that purpose. An iron tool was created to cut things better. An aircraft or automoble to move faster. This is why Artificial intelligence will surpass human intelligence infinitely.

However I have since observed that there are creations that are less advanced than the creator, creations like statues for instance, are mere images of the real thing. Those creations were made, not as a tool for the creator but for the pleasure of the creator. Statues are the most common things that fall into this category. They are images of people. This is the only argument to support the idea that the creator of man is more advanced than man. If man is a tool, the argument will no longer suffice but as an image it suffices.

Our knowledge on this plane is bounded, our wisdom is bounded and etc, so in many ways, we are like statues, not the real thing, but obviously we can tap into the real thing as we all have access, and equally. The real thing knows everything, is all wise and can do anything. This is now my new position. I believe humans too are inherently able to get closer and closer to this state of the real thing, especially by harnessing both matter and mind properly. However, you have to be omni science, omnipotent and etc if you are claiming to be God.

To the Yoruba, the other world is a replica of our world, there is probably an infinite number of irunmales but the Olodumare's government sits in a place called Ogotun with two hundred irun males on his right and two hundred on his left forming a council of four hundred and one irunmales with Olodumare as the head, ruling Ogotun as the Olu of Ogotun and the whole universe consisting of uncountable number of living things and uncountable number of irunmales as Olodumare.

Now, it is logical to deduce that orisas are incarnations of prominent irunmales using the as above so below rule because any society, whether of bees, ants, humans or irunmales will not be so different from the other and will be organised in a similar fashion.

The question of who created Olodumare will of course emerge but it can be a case of A creates B, B creates C, C creates D and D creates A all over again in a cycle or even a singularity where everything is one. However, it is better to limit our quest to Olodumare or God while leaving the other world to brainstorm about who created them. The answer to the question will be simple. The best answer I can think of is that everything is one. Nothing is separate from another.

Stop lying.
This is stark illiteracy.

lawani:
Irunmales are non material human beings. Olodumare is their King. The name of their capital is Ogotun and his title is Agotun. He chairs a ruling council of 401 irunmales. He himself is an irunmale. That is the teaching in Yoruba theology. There is nothing like orun apaadi or orun rere. I think those are descriptions brought into Yoruba language through religion. Heaven is just like Earth, so Olodumare is married with wife, kids,servants and etc but no account of God becoming flesh in Yoruba theology. It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

Stop lying.
How low can you go?

Image123:
Ask chatgpt bro, none of my business.

i did, it said you lied.

lawani:
You sound very stupid to say I am lying. What do you mean?

I mean you are lying.

How low can you go defending your deity?
What lies will you tell again?

lawani:
No one is big enough but you can work at cross purposes with God by doing evil

The devil surely is, he made your god sacrifice his son to himself before he can forgive you , did your omniscience god know that jesus will be sacrificed before he created the devil? Was it in his “grand plan”?

lawani:
Olodumare is the King of human beings in the non material state which is like that our own society. According to Yoruba theology they have Awos to in heaven and it is sound enough for me to believe but you of course don't have to believe.

Stop lying, There’s no where olodumare is said to be kings of human beings, there’s no where in yoruba mythology where there is orun rere or orun apadi.
There’s no yoruba theology that says there is awo in heaven.

Have knowledge on what you say, the orun in yoruba mythology is not same with your greek heaven that has gates.
And olorun is ALOOF in yoruba mythology.

I am not a believer, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

lawani:
God is the owner of the grand plan while man can only authour small actions that can not alter God's ultimate plan

If devil can betray your god, how sure are you that Michael can’t also betray him?

He won’t see it coming na, the all knowing god will later regret.

lawani:
In heaven, Olodumare consults Ifa and the Oluwo is Ajagunmale. You know everything too or can access any information and that is how it is in heaven as well. God is the owner of the grand plan while man can only authour small actions that can not alter God's ultimate plan, if you won't let God use you then someone else will come in handy but God's plan will stand

That’s a blatant lie, can you show me where olodumare consulted ifa.

I don’t know everything, i learn everyday.

Does your god know that man will alter his plan?
An omniscience god should know exactly who he will use. Your god is not sounding Omniscience atall.
how can man be altering the plan of a omnipotent god?

Your god doesn’t even know how many people will be in hell, but he knows the end?
Is it not people actions that will determine the end?

Lawag3:
Knowing all possibility

He knows EVERYTHING.
COMPLETE AND INFINITE KNOWLEDGE, not to add that this same deity also created you, gave you 2 hands for a reason, gave you all your desires for a reason .

read what you sent

Lawag3:
In his rather short cameo, the architects of the MCU do some subtle work to establish Doctor Strange as a more omniscient presence, witnessing the various events in the series from a further distance. Able to see the big picture, the new Sorcerer Supreme's role in the universe's status quo makes for an interesting development in a franchise,

It's was said in the comics that doctor strange is nigh omniscient the bible does not only describe God as omniscient it called him the all knowing God.

In our world there is no different realities but humans can make decisions right different types of decisions.

Your god does not know everything?

Lawag3:
Good you know the concept of alternate reality right? they understood the concept. In the comics doctor strange is described omniscience we see that in a scene in infinity wars where he looks into all possible outcome in the fight with Thanus he saw that they won in only one of those possible realities. The only difference in God is he doesn't interfere in the way you plan your life good or bad he lets you do what you want he tries to guide you but when you reject that he leaves you until you call him.

We are not robot we were not programmed or scripted God knows all doesn't mean he controls all

Show me where doctor strange is described as omniscience. Show me where another person apart from you is making this ignorant claim.
Omniscience doesn’t just mean you just know the “future”, it means you know EVERYTHING, past, PRESENT and future.

An omniscience god knows EXACTLY what will happen from the beginning to end, there cannot be different realities, he has planned it all, he knows exactly how it will play out.

Lawag3:
The punishment comes when you can no longer worship him you can only worship him when you are alive. You are not punished for using your free will you are punished for wrong doings. Don't speak like a dumb person you are better than that.

What then is the use of the free will if only what you can do with it is to worship someone?
Why punish you for using your freewill?
Who created you with the ability to do wrong?
And the punishment for wrong doings is burning you? Even humans are not this insane.
Don’t speak like a daft person you are better than that.

Lawag3:
God will never force a man to worship him maybe some silly people might force you they are doing it not for God he never asked us to force anyone.

To choose to worship him that's is the free will.

Knowing All isn't predicting the future

Do you watch marvel movies?

Just answer the question I'm going somewhere.

When your god punishes a man for not worshipping him that’s forcing someone, you should not be punished for using your free will. Why then did you he give you if they can’t use it FREELY?


If you know everything that means you already planned it, you are only having fun.

Yes i do watch marvel movies.

emmaaolufemi:
The dance we see in churches today are no different than what we see in secular places or even clubs.

And what is wrong in that?

triplechoice:
OK. May man's leg is the same as his brain. They function the same way.

His legs sometimes try to move him about and so he has to control it.

Where did I mention “brain” in this statement but you still found a way to relate it to brain.

“ Legs don’t move on their own because i have control over it.
Like you said thought occur on their own with or without your control.
How can you have stubborn thoughts if you have CONTROL over it?
Who is bringing the stubborn thoughts?
Who is controlling it?

So you see you don’t have total control of your mind.

My comparison is correct.
I have TOTAL control over my LEG, you don’t have TOTAL control over your MIND.
Sometimes your mind do overcome you, how possible”


You keep changing mouth.

triplechoice:
I use them whenever I choose to. This is not the same with brain .

As I type this my brain is involuntarily controlling other organs in my body without me consciously doing anything about it.

It was never about your brain, but MIND.

Just keep changing mouth.