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Who is the father of james that gave birth to him and his brother call “jesus”, According to Josephus?

Aemmyjah:
Abeg summarize your comments

Josephus detailed the life but not the death of Judas while mentioning the death of Jesus but not one word about his life. Josephus invested much effort in recounting Judas' life, even touching upon the lives of his sons, James, Simon, and Menahem and his grandson, Eleazar. (Ant. 20.102; War 2.433-434; War 7.253) Each time the descendants were recognized, Josephus recounted their pedigree. This did not occur in just one isolated time period. Simon and James were crucified in 46-48 CE, Menahem stoned in 66 CE and Eleazar led the Sicarii at Masada in 73 CE. This theme of Judas the Galilean ran throughout Josephus' narrative.

the death of Judas was removed by a later Gentile Christian who believed the death of Judas by crucifixion might attract too much unwanted attention. Most scholars believe that the passage in Josephus, which details the death of Jesus, is a late third to early fourth century forgery.

Aemmyjah:
Abeg summarize your comments

Josephus wrote on on Judas of Galilee.
Early church fathers use Josephus work to write New Testament .

Josephus book, Judas the Galilean was known throughout the nation for his ability in interpreting the law. We get the same feeling for Jesus when reading the Gospels. The Pharisees constantly invited him to dinner in order to discuss issues. We are privy to only the negative aspects of those meetings.

Aemmyjah:
See this mumu man
You said faith is belief right?
Using same illustration, you mentioned of man u and Chelsea, remove faith and replace with believe and tell us if it means the same thing
Olodo

See this watchtower slave

If i replace believe with faith, is it not also under probability?
Do i KNOW if man u will beat chelsea?
If i knew man will beat chelsea then what’s the use of faith and beliefs?
YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW, Chrestian.

Who is the father of james according to Josephus?
Who are the other brothers of james according to Josephus?

Aemmyjah:
According to the Bible, we read that Caesar was a real person, you just confirmed it
Festus was a real person, you just confirmed it
Annas was a real person and of priestly duties, you just confirmed it
There was a sanhedrin, you just confirmed it
Jesus was the christ, you just confirmed it
Jesus has a brother called James, you just confirmed it
The Jews stoned people who were accuse2of serious charges, you just confirmed it
James did not die by stoning, you just confirmed it
There were a religious group called Sadducees, you just confirmed it

Yet, you don't believe in books
Yet, Jesus never existed
Where there is no secular source to back an event in the bible, it is cos the Bible is myth
Where there is secular source, the Bible writers forged it
No Roman writer wrote any gospel but Jesus was a Roman propaganda
The Roman historians that made reference to Jesus did not even attribute anything positive to him yet their writers can present him in an endearing personality but na dem still wan destroy the Bible and accused the same followers of the same propaganda of burning the empire. Yet the same Rome did not present the same endearing character as one of their citizen but a Jew, people they hated

You're suffering from mental gymnastics
The Christ you said is a general name and for Greek gods is now attributed to one man who has a brother called Christ?

What century is this ceaser? Do you think it’s talking about king ceaser?
What century was jesus born?


Judas was mentioned by Josephus in 4 BCE, relating to the Golden Eagle Temple Cleansing (Ant. 17.149-167) and in 6 CE, regarding the Census of Cyrenius (Ant. 18.1-10) The birth narratives in Matthew and Luke are both inconsistent with the reign of Pilate and the ministry of John the Baptist. For example, if Jesus were born in 4 BCE and died thirty-three years later, then he would have died around 30 CE, during the reign of Pilate but five years before John the Baptist’s death. (Ant. 18.116-119) If Jesus were born in 6 CE and died thirty-three years later, then he would have died in 39 CE, a few years after John the Baptist but two years after Pilate left Judea.

The Gospels do not mention the early life of Jesus, except when he taught at the Temple at the age of twelve. (Luke 2:41-52) Otherwise, no information was given from 6 CE (Census of Cyrenius) to 26 CE (supposed date of Pilate - see chapter 1). This lack of information mirrors Josephus' War where nothing was written from 6 CE (Census) to 26 CE (Pilate). (War 2.167-169) Josephus barely expanded on this paucity of information in Antiquities, where he listed the Roman procurators during this twenty year stretch, but little else. (Ant. 18.26-35) It is possible that these missing years from Josephus could have been the result of pious editing. The actual crucifixion of Judas the Galilean may have been deleted. Note that Josephus detailed the deaths of Judas' three sons, James, Simon, and Menahem and his grandson, Eleazar. With each of these occasions, Josephus referred back to Judas the Galilean. It is hard to believe that Josephus omitted the circumstances behind the death of Judas. So it is very possible that the writings of Josephus were edited to remove some interesting details of Judas' life and his eventual crucifixion.
According to the Slavonic Josephus, this same John came baptizing in the Jordan in 6 CE, right before the mention of Judas the Galilean and during the reign of Archelaus (4 BCE- 7 CE). (4) In addition, the Psuedoclementine Recognitions acknowledged John right before describing the various Jewish sects. (5) Josephus described these same sects right after his introduction of Judas the Galilean. (Ant. 18.4-22 and War 2.118-166) So the 6 CE timeframe for John the Baptist is attested to by more than one source.

Could this John the Baptist have been baptizing and proclaiming different Messiahs in both 6 CE and 29 CE? The odds of that would be millions to one. The only logical conclusion is that Jesus and Judas the Galilean were the same person. This explains why the Slavonic Josephus' version of events has been ignored over the years. If John actually came in 6 CE, then all of New Testament scholarship is, at best, misguided. That would not only make the scholars look foolish but would also prove Pauline Christianity a sham religion.

chatinent:
Women are also legal citizen!

So as male citizens, let them all compete legally.

Chrestian

Aemmyjah:
Faith is probability?!
This one is just an empty headed bloke
See, have a nice day

Next time have knowledge on what you quoting.
Start reading from “and now ceaser” don’t cherry pick parts.

Who are the sons of judas of Galilee according to Josephus?

Aemmyjah:
Faith is probability?!
This one is just an empty headed bloke
See, have a nice day

I have “faith” that man u will beat Chelsea but do i “KNOW” if man u will beat chelsea for sure?
What’s the essence of faith if I’m sure something is gonna happen?
faith and believe go hand to hand.
And you believe what you don’t KNOW.
I don’t believe books, i know it.

You are the worthless slave that’s been indoctrinated with beliefs.

Who is doing the altering?

Aemmyjah:
You don't believe in something but can quote from it
You're just a boy
When are you resuming college
Say hello to mum and dad for me

I know it why should I believe it? You don’t believe facts, you dummy.
You are just a watchtower slave.
You believe what you don’t know, i know it’s hard to grasp as a believer.

Seek knowledge not beliefs, when are you writing waec, read to know your book not believe them.
Greet your dad and mom for me and your masters in watchtower.

Who is doing the altering?

Aemmyjah:
What is faith?
What is the basis for faith?

Can you believe in something you don't have faith in?
Is it only religious people that put faith in others?

De play

You are believing in probability.
I don’t need to have faith in Facts.

What are the scenarios people put faith on?
Is it when they are knowledgeable on the issue or when they have beliefs.
YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW!

So daft

Aemmyjah:
From books you don't believe in right?
Anything Tacitus and Soeticus says regarding anything that links to Christ and his disciples are lies but the burning of Rome the were wrongly accused of is true?

De play

I don’t believe books i know it.
Tacitus and Suetonius didn’t say about “christ” but Chrestians and chrestus.
Christianity evolved from Chrestianity.

Who are those doing the altering?

Aemmyjah:
No Christians in Nero time but Nero accused them of burning Rome in his own time and they were burning some places at the same time period?

De play

Nero accused CHRESTIANS according to what historians said, Nero never wrote a book saying anything.

So daft.

Aemmyjah:
He does not believe something
He KNOWS it
Cos he has seen what suits him or he was there

De play

And you don’t know anything
But believes, that’s why most religions are heavy om faith and believe, you believe what you don’t know.

Dumb Believer

So daft

Aemmyjah:
Mythical David and Saul or historical ones?
You don't believe that someone that lived 2000 years ago existed but you believe that the ones who existed about 3000 years ago existed?
De play

What Josephus wrote concerning Jesus was propaganda as Jesus was a myth
But what he wrote concerning judas is true?
De play

The ones in the tanakh, who said david and saul existed? Are you dumb.
Read what i said “ Chrestus is not a name but a title, even your christ is a title, David and saul are chrestus according to tanakh.

So Daft, let’s google yahweh, the storm god is everywhere on the internet

Aemmyjah:
The books you don't believe in told you that a myth character, a Roman propaganda was born in 6BC
Niw you seem interested
It's OK

I don’t believe fact, I know it.
Josephus book was talking about Judas of Galilee.
The iesus chrestus in your New Testament is a Roman propaganda.
Are you this daft?

Aemmyjah:
There were no Christians in Nero time but now, na them de burn places?
It's OK

Chrestians burnt Rome.
Y’all were called Chrestian at antioch

Aemmyjah:
There were no Christians but they burned Rome
It's ok
Again, you have not given proof that Rome was burned by Chrestians

Chrestians burnt Rome according to tactitus and Suetonius

“several ex-consuls did not venture to lay hands on his (Nero's) chamberlains although they caught them on their estates with tow and fire-brands... (Suetonius, The Life of Nero)”

Aemmyjah:
You said judas, not Jesus was the Chrestus
You later said mithridates
Now, chrestus is the common name for gods in Greek
Ok na
Small time, you will say Chrestus is the name of a village in your state

Judas of Galilee is a chrestus in JOSEPHUS book.
Chrestus is not a name but a title, even your christ is a title, David and saul are christs.

Chrestus means useful as i shown you, where did you see common name for gods?
Are you empty?

Aemmyjah:
Again, Jesus was not on earth in 6 BC
Keep quoting books you don't believe in

When was jesus born?
We can trace it to the time of the priests that Josephus mentioned in his book
Or did you only read the interpolated part talking about iesus?
Why not the pages before and after it

Aemmyjah:
Mythical Jews or historical Jews
The tanakh you call as forged a d myth is now what you defend cos they don't acknowledge Jesus
You're happy with that
Continue

Where did you read about Iesus chrestus?

Don’t christians also use the forged tanakh they call Old Testament?
When they ask jesus what was the greatest commandment what did he say?

We also know of christians destroying the site of mithridates, even some of the oldest churches was built over mithridates temple.

Let’s look up yahweh history via google or you rather believe in your books and worship israelite god

Aemmyjah:
Ask Google who burned Rome
You have been consulting the internet since when you feel you can find something that suit you
Now that I asked you to search on who burned Rome, you are saying nonsense
Are you a 12 year old?
Maybe you don't believe in the internet as well
Wetin kwasan me

Chrestians burnt rome, look at what Suetonius said
“several ex-consuls did not venture to lay hands on his (Nero's) chamberlains although they caught them on their estates with tow and fire-brands... (Suetonius, The Life of Nero)”
Tacitcus also blamed Chrestians

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/neros-rome-burns

Aemmyjah:
My bad
Jesus was not on earth by 6BC
I mistook BC for CE
BY 6 CE, he was a child

When was jesus born?

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was still a child in 6BC
Would thry have handed him over to the Romans whrn thry believed in him?

Shame
You're older
Be smart

Why should jews that have books thousands of years believe in a jewish boy in 6BC?

You are indoctrinated and conquered

Aemmyjah:
You're quoting from a storybook, mind you

The one you are using to prove Iesus chrestus exist?
.

“several ex-consuls did not venture to lay hands on his (Nero's) chamberlains although they caught them on their estates with tow and fire-brands... (Suetonius, The Life of Nero)”
Chrestians were responsible for burning Rome.


There were no Christians during Nero Time, but instead, an imperial cult called Chrestianity; this became much like the Mafia and was responsible for starting Rome Fire, to aid in property speculation.
Chrestianity started as Greco-Roman.

Who is doing the altering?

If not for lack of common sense, how is believe and trust the same thing?
The people I’m quoting just woke up to write history on their bed abi

All these watchtower slaves sha that have been indoctrinated to be believers

Aemmyjah:
You don't believe books but are quoting from them?

De play

This just shows you are dummy.
I know books I don’t believe it, I know story books I don’t believe it, I’m not a believer.
If not for brainwashing, quoting facts means believing hahahaha
Animaljah seek for knowledge not beliefs.

When you send your children to school, tell them to believe their books instead, Believer

I ask again, who is the father of james the “brother of jesus” according to Josephus?
Now, who are the other brothers of James according to Josephus?

Don’t cherry pick parts

Aemmyjah:
Why are you cutting short the images?
Cos you kniw they don't bring up anything that match up your points

The Jews that did not believe in Jesus, persecuted his followers will keep writings that talks Jesus which will likely cause many to put faith in him?

Why don’t you google and screenshot the remaining part that don’t add up?

The jews are meant to believe jesus in 6BC? They are not dumb like you.
Jews practice shema yisrael, when they asked jesus what was the greatest commandment in New Testament what did he say?

Jews are not Believers

Animaljah

Aemmyjah:
Ment man want us to believe that Mithridates chrestus who lived many centuries before Jesus came or even the Roman empire was born was actually the one executed by Tiberius

Everywhere in the internet blamed Nero as the one behind the burning of Rome

Is it the Mythical Rome?

I’m telling you chrestus is a common name for gods in greek.
Animaljah want to tell me the brother of james is jesus yet we read in Josephus work that james father was judas of Galilee and his sons were james, simon and menahem, menahem was also called a chrestus.
Only if you read the Josephus book and not cherry-pick a interpolated part you’ll have knowledge of it.

Where in the internet did they say nero burnt rome?

several ex-consuls did not venture to lay hands on his (Nero's) chamberlains although they caught them on their estates with tow and fire-brands... (Suetonius, The Life of Nero)”
It was chrestians that burnt rome

Aemmyjah:
I be boy
I agree
You be man
Displaying mentedness
So wisdom is not by age as you can see

Roman historians even wrote about the Chrestus himself
For several centuries, no one doubted the existence of the Chrestus
You yourself attribute it to someone else and you now say it's propaganda
See your life
Contradicting yourself as you yourself said it was a product of Christian interpolation or the European Fathers
Now you say it is a Roman Propaganda
We're the Jewish Gospel writers Romans or Jews?
Age does not necessarily mean one is wise

You are an animal bro that is a slave to watchtower and his baldheads.
Worthless animal.

What does chrestus mean?
Isis is also a chrestus.
Read and listen. Your New Testament is a Roman Propaganda.
Which centuries are you talking about?

Which jewish gospel?
The jews already have their tanakh that’s why they reject the New Testament that was created in 4th century, even Iesus chrestus is said to read tanakh according to the story in New Testament.

An Animal will always behave like one

Aemmyjah:
Mumu
Tacitus and soeticus and Pliny and Josephus and Origen and the Babylonian Talmud verifies a Christ at a certain period of time. You just keep fooling yourself by saying it was Judas or tracing it to one man that lived several millenia then.
There are secular proof which you have seen
Olodo
You want us to believe that Judas was the christ but Jesus that was said to be executed according to the same author was actually a myth?
Mentedness is a disease

Animaljah

Which certain period of time?
When did Iesus chrestus live?
When did he die?

Tacitus and Suetonius was talking about Chrestians wjo burnt down Rome.
Pliny was talking about Chrestians who are pagan worshippers.
Josephus was talking about judas of Galilee who was a chrestus.
Jospehus wrote a whole book about judas of Galilee but didn’t write his death but we have interpolations of jesus death, Josephus didn’t write about all the heroics of Iesus chrestus but his death? Think na
James the brother of jesus was killed in what century?


You have no evidence of your jargons, even the ones you posted are riddled with forgety,
I wonder who is the doing the altering?

Aemmyjah:
Mumu
Dispute what is in the link na
Attacking himself from all angle
Maynment that said his life has no purpose and meaning

That is reasonable for people like you that believe life came by accident. Anything that come by chance has no purpose. Basically, you have no purpose, no future, no hope, no direction
No wonder why you can't say anything meaningful to prove that atheism is the Way

Mugu
The link has already disproved itself coming from watchtower.
Is this your real sources from real authorship? Bwahahahah
Animaljah that said his life is worthless and he is of no use without Israelite deity.

Please give me examples of things that comes by chance, which automatically makes them have no purpose?
Where does yahweh come from? From nothing so it has no purpose, so a deity that has no purpose is the one that created you Animaljah.
No wonder you are a slave to watchtower and baldheads, they give your life meaning.

Your saviour only exists in New Testament, you can’t prove him outside of it, you can only believe books, what a dumb theist

Aemmyjah:
Lol
I am not a random churchgoer that does not reason well in Bible characters
You just dropped an image describing one man and his family. What has it got to do with all we are talking about?

Shame on you old man
You said Chrestians worship one Sarapis
Now you mention Mithridates even though nothing is connected to him
Small time, you'll bring up article that connects them to Lord Lugard.
Continue

You are a kingdom hall going that lacks the knowledge of the bible, lile a typical christian you believe books because they are call “bible”.

Shame on you boy.
The New Testament you are reading belongs to Chrestians.

We have many chrestus in history
We also have socrates chrestus
Isis chrestus.
Your Iesus chrestus also comes from there, you are worshipping a Roman propaganda.