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Alot of theists worship animals especially monkeys and chimpanzees as their CREATOR, the dad should have explained further which exact god created them out of the thousands we have.

Lawag3:
The supposed time frame of Jesus’s life, starting at year zero, was not a period big on communication. Without the ability to print books, not to mention having no phones or the Internet, it took a while for information to be dispersed. Despite limitations, a few decades following Jesus’s supposed lifetime, mentions of him started to crop up in the writings of Jewish and Roman historians, as well as in dozens of texts by Christians, writes Dr. Simon Gathercole, a New Testament scholar from the University of Cambridge, in the Guardian.
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother James and in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity. Historians think it has been altered by Christians several centuries later who wanted to portray Jesus in a better light. Here is that passage coming from Antiquities 18:3:3:

“There was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Roman historians Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus Christ about 20 years after Josephus’s book. The “Annals” by Tacitus from AD 115 mentioned the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate executing Jesus, alluding to crucifixion, and placed that event within the timeframe that agrees with Christian gospels. As you can also see in this excerpt, Tacitus was not a big fan of the Christians:

Pliny the Younger, who was also governor in Asia Minor, wrote letters to Emperor Trajan around AD 112 describing Christians worshipping Jesus as a God:

“They (Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food, but of an ordinary and innocent kind ,” wrote Pliny in Epistles 10.96.

There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic. These include the infamous Shroud of Turin, supposedly the negative image of a man who was allegedly Jesus Christ. Some claim it to be Jesus’s shroud after the crucifixion. The science on the dating and origins the Shroud is very much being debated and doesn’t generally support the claims.


Another famous relic of dubious authenticity is The True Cross. There are hundreds of fragments of wood claimed by various people throughout history as being from the cross used in the Crucifixion of Jesus. Many of these fragments are dispersed in various European Churches despite little confirmation they are real.

https://bigthink.com/thinking/was-jesus-real/

Why didn’t you post the link to your “facts”? Bwahahahah

Wikipedia is wrong but paul ritner the person that concocted the article is correct?

Lawag3:
I have the book on PDF I could send it to you

Open the first page of the pdf book and get the title and author of it, is it that difficult for something that is “historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread.”
It should be everywhere like you stated

Lawag3:
Nope it talks about the historical Jesus in a whole chapter

And what reference did he use?
And by the way he didn’t, if he did, screenshot it

Lawag3:
You like answering questions with questions do you want to pretend like I haven't showed you from my points we've been discussing

Screenshot where you showed me what pliny said about jesus

Lawag3:
Facts about the historical Jesus I have forgotten the author name

Finding Allah seeking Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi

You’ve forgotten the author name but you are quoting the book bwahahahah

Is finding allah seeking jesus a history book? This is where you get your facts from?

Lawag3:
Did he or did he not say those things about your supposed Judas of Galilee

What did he say about “judas of Galilee”?
You were the one that brought in pliny, what did pliny say about your supposed jesus?

Lawag3:
I love your inquisitive soul give me your email address

Just mention the name of the books

Lawag3:
All you just did was to make me realize that pilny was talking about Jesus because Judas did not inspire a religion Judas was all about freeing the Jews from the Romans Jesus was not Judas did not do many wondrous work that pilny was talking about Jesus did

What exactly did pliny say about jesus?
In what century did he say it?

Lawag3:
You are now helping me to prove Jesus existence lol

According to Christianity


Which roman records state pilate as persecuting someone?

Lawag3:
You can easily do research. I get all my facts from books I can send you copies . Don't do Wikipedia it can be edited by individuals I can easily edit it to what I want

Send me the copies or just mention name of the books

Wikipedia can be easily edited that doesn’t mean it won’t be reviewed by Wikipedia before made public.
And look up what Wikipedia means.

Lawag3:
Pontius Pilate, Latin in full Marcus Pontius Pilatus, (died after 36 CE), Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 CE) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.

Verbatim lol

Lawag3:
Where did you get that Wikipedia?

Where have you been getting josephus, pliny and Tacitus quotes from?
Please present the evidence

Lawag3:
Who is Judas of Galilee what does history say about him

The antiquities of the jew you were quoting earlier was talking about him before it was interpolated by early Chrestians.

Lawag3:
What about Roman historical records Which points to the fact that Jesus was killed during the reign of Pontius Pilate

At what century?
Which position was pilate then?

You are yet to provide evidence.

It was CHRESTIANS that burnt down rome which tacitus wrote about.

Lawag3:
The supposed time frame of Jesus’s life, starting at year zero, was not a period big on communication. Without the ability to print books, not to mention having no phones or the Internet, it took a while for information to be dispersed. Despite limitations, a few decades following Jesus’s supposed lifetime, mentions of him started to crop up in the writings of Jewish and Roman historians, as well as in dozens of texts by Christians, writes Dr. Simon Gathercole, a New Testament scholar from the University of Cambridge, in the Guardian.
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother James and in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity. Historians think it has been altered by Christians several centuries later who wanted to portray Jesus in a better light. Here is that passage coming from Antiquities 18:3:3:

“There was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Roman historians Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus Christ about 20 years after Josephus’s book. The “Annals” by Tacitus from AD 115 mentioned the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate executing Jesus, alluding to crucifixion, and placed that event within the timeframe that agrees with Christian gospels. As you can also see in this excerpt, Tacitus was not a big fan of the Christians:

Pliny the Younger, who was also governor in Asia Minor, wrote letters to Emperor Trajan around AD 112 describing Christians worshipping Jesus as a God:

“They (Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food, but of an ordinary and innocent kind ,” wrote Pliny in Epistles 10.96.

There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic. These include the infamous Shroud of Turin, supposedly the negative image of a man who was allegedly Jesus Christ. Some claim it to be Jesus’s shroud after the crucifixion. The science on the dating and origins the Shroud is very much being debated and doesn’t generally support the claims.


Another famous relic of dubious authenticity is The True Cross. There are hundreds of fragments of wood claimed by various people throughout history as being from the cross used in the Crucifixion of Jesus. Many of these fragments are dispersed in various European Churches despite little confirmation they are real.

Flavinus was talking about judas of Galilee before it was edited by early Christians.
Pliny and Tacitus Wrote about CHRRESTIANS.
And pliny particularly stated the pagan practices of chrestians!

Lawag3:
I wasn't trying to prove king author existed I just used the fact that that he was first mentioned like 300 to 400 years after he lived unlike Jesus who was mentioned like within the same century he lived and eyewitnesses were still alive to testify

“The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread.”
Present just ONE evidence.

Lawag3:
You didn't all you did was to point out that they are many Jesus anyway Jesus Christ is real history points to it. The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Compare that with, for example, King Arthur, who supposedly lived around AD500. The major historical source for events of that time does not even mention Arthur, and he is first referred to 300 or 400 years after he is supposed to have lived. The evidence for Jesus is not limited to later folklore, as are accounts of Arthur

Strikingly, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. In the earliest literature of the Jewish Rabbis, Jesus was denounced as the illegitimate child of Mary and a sorcerer. Among pagans, the satirist Lucian and philosopher Celsus dismissed Jesus as a scoundrel, but we know of no one in the ancient world who questioned whether Jesus lived.

Present just ONE evidence to back this up.

Lawag3:
Answer my questions first

I already did.

Davidik25:
Yh whatever I'm just saying y'all should respect other people beliefs and stop trying to insult and poke fun at them

I mean wtf are atheists doing in the religion section in the first place
That's contradictory to ur beleifs so why go there

And the insult is “ Abrahamaic religions lol”

Is it only politicians that comments in politics section?
In case you’ve forgotten, this is a Public Forum.

Davidik25:
Watuuo it has u use and bullying
Can't u see apost and pass without making a snide comment

I'm am an agnostist still doesn't mean I don't respect other people beliefs

It’s not that deep, “agnostist”.

Lawag3:
Let's discuss Maynman, was Jesus a real person historically? what's your reason for your answer present evidence to back up your answers that should be easy for you.

Jesus is a common latin name, of course alot of jesus existed, have you read the talmud?

Now my question Lawag3, was Jesus a real person historically? what's your reason for your answer present evidence to back up your answers that should be easy for you.

“Fact” gotten from a forged Jewish book

Abrahamaic religions lol

A person sitting at an empty bus in a park telling you how to become rich bwahahahah

Thanksful:
Jews don't have scholars? No historians? Do you know when jews started writing?

You don't even know why the Jews rejected Jesus.

When was “jews” coined?
When the “jews” start writing?

Show me references explaining why the “jews” rejected iesus chrestus.

MytyD:
Stop chatting me
Last warning

Stop chatting me too, shameless liar!

MytyD:
Ooh really??
Good to know
Well bye

I'm gonna stop replying u for real this time
Been a long flight

Exposed and disgraced, from going to sleep in the morning to university practically closing because it’s December to your own course has closed.

Don’t you know if you lie once, you’ll need to continue lying to defend it, and you are not so smart to keep it up.
Idiot thinks universities don’t post their calendars, what kind of illiteracy thinking is that?

MytyD:
Oo oh really
Ooh my God
Ur literally lecturing me on my own univeristy

You’ve not stepped out of Nigeria before, you just shamelessly lying and you’ve been exposed!

“I'll be in school during December where practically all universities are closing”
Are they no more “practically” closing?

MytyD:
I am a lair like my Yahweh
Anything u wanna add idiot??

Stop lying to promote your Israelite deity, cretin!