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TenQ:
Gen 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

How did the Tanakh lie?

Heb 11:3:
"Through faith we understand that the universe were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Do you know what “big bang theory” means?

TenQ:
Did you actually do a DNA test for your children?


I did not define faith as such: check my post!

It is a TRUST in the integrity of a Personality or a System.

If You are not SURE of the Integrity of a Parachute, would you JUMP from a plane!?

It’s not of your business, Chrestian. You already had “faith” that i did not do it, so good!
The examples you used said it, you are using examples of things i have no control or even knowledge about.

Parachute fails. Do you know how many people that die of parachute accident yearly?
They also had “faith” in it.

TenQ:
I only respond to your queries, don't put words in my mouth

Are you confused?
I’m asking a question the same way you asked me a question, remember?
It was you that brought in “ is infinite regress of cause and effect scientifically or logically possible?”

So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

TenQ:
I laugh at you!

Laugh at your ignorance, yahweh worshipper.
It just shows you’ve never done research about this before you ended up with “yahweh of Christians and jews” bwahahahah

Your religion thrives on ignorance

TenQ:
That's why I asked you a simple question:

Does magician perform miracles?

I said YES, like 2/3 times now.
Can’t you comprehend this simple answer.
Why bring your religion into it bwahahahah
It’s a mere word!

A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

TenQ:
He plans even for the next 20 years based on FAITH!

Exactly, faith. He doesn’t KNOW.

TenQ:
I hear you!
LOL!

I know it doesn’t go with your religion agenda
Hope you also know that esu is not same with devil/satan.
And in yoruba religion, esu is a very important deity to olorun.

TenQ:
Of course!
I only believe in addition that God initiated what we scientists call the Big bang effect/inflation of the Universe!

So the tanakh lied?

TenQ:
I wonder where you got the phrase mindless believing and this took off in tangent!

I have explained what FAITH is:
A TRUST in the Integrity of a Personality or a System!

If you have any other definition, spill it out.

Unfortunately, you have not done the DNA test!

When a person completely KNOWs, he doesn't need FAITH .
Even the scripture attest that we know only in PART as NO man has ever seen God

I think I've explained it clear enough here!

I wonder why you are lying, is that what Chrestians does?
How do you know I haven’t done the dna test?
Believers always believing..

Why do we need to assume what “faith” means, when we can just look up the origin of the word.

mid-13c., faith, feith, fei, fai "faithfulness to a trust or promise; loyalty to a person; honesty, truthfulness," from Anglo-French and Old French feid, foi "faith, belief, trust, confidence; pledge" (11c.), from Latin fides "trust, faith, confidence, reliance, credence, belief," from root of fidere "to trust,"from ...

Exactly, you have faith in things you are not sure of!

TenQ:
You said:

Yes, i Answered your question.
So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

TenQ:
It seems you find it difficult comprehending things (Unfortunately I won't oblige you by reposting the text here).

How many Deites do you know that abhor the serving of other gods?
How many Deites in the world do you know that promises Resurrection of the dead (not reincarnation)?
How many Deites do you know that promise eternal reward for good and eternal reward for evil?

From these criteria, you can weed out thousands of Deities!

You lack knowledge of what you are spewing.
There’s nothing like “Yahweh of Christians and jews”
Jews religion is called Judaism, and Judaism comes from yahwism.
Christianity and Islam both worship Abrahamaic gods.
Who is the father of Judaism?
When your “jesus” was alive as a jew he worshipped the judaist god!

There are thousands of deities that does that, have you read greek mythology, or where do you think “hades” come from?

Your religion thrives on ignorance

TenQ:
Unfortunately for you sir,
The Sky is NOT blue Sir. Your evidence just failed you.

You planning for the future is simply an act of FAITH: do you know if you'll be alive by next week Saturday?

Exactly, he doesn’t KNOW if he’ll be alive by next week, so he uses FAITH

TenQ:
A magician is performing miracles!?

Let me help you with the difference
1. A Miracle is a temporary suspension of the laws of nature for an objective.
2.Magic is the use of laws of nature or illusion to mesmerize.

Sometimes magic is loosely defined as to mean miracle but miracles is never used to mean magic.

This is the reason a Magician never does miracles but magic!

Yes.

Help yourself and free yourself from indoctrination.
“Miracle” is simply a word, it existed before your religion was created.

Learn.
A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

The root word for magic (Greek: mageia; Latin: magia) derives from the Greek term magoi, which refers to a Median tribe in Persia and their religion, Zoroastrianism.


magus, plural Magi, member of an ancient Persian clan specializing in cultic activities. The name is the Latinized form of magoi (e.g., in Herodotus 1:101), the ancient Greek transliteration of the Iranian original. From it the word magic is derived.

Your religion thrives on ignorance

TenQ:
I laughed in Swahili!

Orunmila is the first child of olorun.
It was obatala that created humans and earth in yoruba mythology
Keep laughing in ignorance

TenQ:
You are buttressing my point. The universe has a beginning 13.8million years ago.

Even the current Inflation Theory does not dispute that!

Do you believe in the big bang theory?

TenQ:
I have not denied that Atheism and Theism are opposite in meaning!

What I've said is the definition of Atheism as a LACK of BELIEF is [b]wrong and nonsensical.[/b]

If
-Theism is the acknowledgement of Deities!
Then
-Atheism is the rejection of Deities!

Do you agree with this ?

No.
Theism will be the acceptance of dieties.!
And take note of “believe”. When a theist goes further to “worship” these deities what does it mean?

TenQ:
Unfortunately, most important decisions of our life is made from FAITH.

How can you be sure you Fathered your children before investing all your life training them up?

Do you think Putin went to war without having Faith in His generals an His Plan?

Do you think anyone travels on a Plane without Having Faith that the Pilot is properly trained and mentally fit?

Do you eat in any restaurant without having Faith that the food is not poisoned?

FAITH is TRUST in the Integrity of a Personality: who ever taught you that faith is mindless believing is WRONG.

Do you know that by Faith you leap off from a plane having put on your Parachute!
You trust the INTEGRITY of the Parachute that it would do what it is designed to do.


Such it is with FAITH in God. IT IS A TRUST in HIS INTEGRITY!

Who said “faith is mindless believing” you are a LIAR.
Faith is base on probability and your points says it.

I can be sure that I fathered my kids with a DNA test.
So many generals has resigned in russia.
Everyone travels on a plane with faith, but they don’t KNOW!
I eat in restaurants but I don’t KNOW that it’s poisoned or not.
So many people has gone to a restaurant that the food was poisoned, they also had “faith”
People in plane crash also had “faith”

Your logic is cheap

TenQ:
Please can you give me a reference where science says:
It doesn't know of a infinite regress of cause and effect is scientifically or logically possible? AND the EVIDENCE for such a conclusion

So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?


It was you that quoted big bang theory and said universe began 13.8 billion years ago?
Are you confuse?

TenQ:
Please can you give me a reference where science says:
It doesn't know of a infinite regress of cause and effect is scientifically or logically possible? AND the EVIDENCE for such a conclusion

So listen to your advice, and answer my questions

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?

TenQ:
Who else is called a Jew in the world apart from people from a certain nation of Israel?

How could Noah be a Jew: only children of Israel can be Jews and Mordecai and Jesus were good examples!


Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[10] and nation[11][12] originating from the Israelites[13][14][15] and Hebrews[16][17] of historical Israel and Judah. Jewish ethnicity, nationhood, and religion are strongly interrelated,[18][19] as Judaism is the ethnic religion of the Jewish people, although its observance varies from strict to none

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

What you mean here then.
“Only two seem completely different
1. Yahweh of the Christians and Jews
2. Allah of the Muslims”

Which god was noah and moses worshipping?

TenQ:
I gave the difference clearly in my post, but as one who is enslaved by satan, he cannot see.

Let me oblige you:







Have you seen the difference?

The indoctrinated sheep doesn’t know the origin of the word “satan” to start with.
You’ve been enslaved with YAHWEH of Shasu Tribe.

According to you “The religious Satanist is a THEIST”
Are you not a THEIST?

Think na

TenQ:
I asked you,
When a magician is performing, is he doing miracles?

YES.

i asked you now, what’s the origin of the word “miracle”?
Give me “standard definition”

TenQ:
President means Ruler, Head,

President of China is NOT
President of Ukraine and is NOT
President of USA neither is he president of Nigeria.

When a person uses the term President, then you have to look at it from his context.

Donald Duke : My president my friend and he likes eating rice and beans
Donald Trump: My president is a my enemy and doesn't eat rice and beans

These two above are NOT contradictions!

Leave Yoruba Traditional Worshipers with their OLORUN
Leave Christians with their OLORUN and
Leave Moslems with their OLORUN

They refer to three different OLORUN!

Arrant BS.

Olorun simply means lord of the heavens. Zeus simply means Lord of the heavens.
Should we also leave Christians and muslims with their zeus?

Olorun is an entity in yoruba religion. READ!

TenQ:
Except that the Scientific notation till date is that the Universe began about 13.8 billion years ago from a gravitational singularity.

According to this theory, space and time emerged together 13.787±0.020 billion years ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Sorry sir, you are completely WRONG!

Did you miss this?

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological description of the development of the universe. According to this theory, space and time emerged together 13.787±0.020 billion years ago,[11] and the universe has been expanding ever since the Big Bang.

CC GodsOwnMan

TenQ:
Genesis 35:2 and Exodus 18:11
god =Deity!

It is a TITLE and I don't know what your problem is about it!

Was the torah which you are quoting book of beraSHIT written in English?
Elohim means gods and they are sons to EL.
I don’t know what your problem is about it!
EL is the father of Yahweh.
I’ll show you yahweh mother soon

Yahweh worshipper bwahahahah

TenQ:
Just as your people right now cannot define correctly who a WOMAN is!
SMH!

The preferred definition of Atheism breaks down under reason!

Who are your “people”.
Stick to our discussion, Chrestian.

Atheism is the opposite of theism. This is basic.

TenQ:
Really?

Faith is the same as TRUSTING the integrity of a Person.

Do you think your wife (if you are married) will cheat on you?
The answer you give is a statement of your Faith or Lack of Faith in her.

If you have swallowed a wrong definition of faith, relearn.

Nobody thinks their wife will cheat on them, but alas we can see the reality.
You don’t know, you can only have “faith” and “hope” that’s not a good thing to base your entire life on.

TenQ:
Is the infinite regress of cause and effect Scientifically and Logically possible?

That is the question; the answer is either yes or no!

Retrocausality: is a function of your reference point. And it doesn't answer the question of infinite regress of cause and effect

Are you taking all what science said as possible and not possible to be FACT, before we go on?
No strawman fallacy here.
By the way, scientists says they don’t know.
Karma is also called law of causation.

And do you also know an effect can occur before a cause? Is it logically and scientifically possible?

TenQ:
Your splashing about is disturbing:
Let me help you out

Esth 2:5:
"Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;"
John 4:9:
"Then said the woman of Samaria to him, How is it that you, being a Jew, ask drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans."

If you don't know who a Jew is after this, too bad!

Your ignorance is glaring, how are you cherry-picking where to answer, why don’t you send a Wikipedia link of jews?

You quoted a verse in a random book. Bwahahahah.
It answered nothing Chrestian.
Is “noah” a jew?
Where do “jews” come from?

TenQ:
Some people are adverse to knowledge

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

Read up please!

Some people love wallowing in ignorance!

It’s you that should read up.

Is theist and theistic satanist the same thing?
Are you not a theist?

Think na

TenQ:
So, when a magician is performing, he is doing miracles?

Continue!

What’s a miracle?
Don’t we have many “miracles” in your Christianity that was later debunked.



A miracle is generally defined, according to the etymology of the word—it comes from the Greek thaumasion and the Latin miraculum—as that which causes wonder and astonishment, being extraordinary in itself and amazing or inexplicable by normal standards.

TenQ:
EVERY TITLE HAS ITS MEANING ?

I wonder how difficult that is for you to comprehend Simple things!

OLORUN is NOT Sky God my dear!

OLU- Means Owner, Chief, King, Ruler etc
ORUN- Heaven (in context)

OLORUN means Owner, Chief, King, Ruler of Heaven.

And in Yoruba religion
OLORUN is the only Deity that does NOT have a shrine, not an idol not is he even worshipped directly


Olorun (Yoruba alphabet: Ọlọrun) is the ruler of (or in) the Heavens in the Yoruba religion. The Supreme God or Supreme Being in the Yoruba pantheon, Olorun is also called Olodumare. Among Yoruba people who practice Christianity and Islam, the name Olorun refers to the Abrahamic God.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%BB%8Cl%E1%BB%8Drun


ALAGA and CHAIRMAN means

I am sure you don't know that there is a difference between
OLORUN of Shango worshippers
OLORUN of Muslims
OLORUN of Christians
Because OLORUN is a TITLE not a name/identity!

How did it became a title with no meaning?
This are basic things to understand, chrestian.

Olorun simply means lord of the heaven.
Heaven and sky means same thing.
We also have olokun. Lord of the seas.
Olorun is a member of the orishas.
God means orishas.
Olorun is a name and an identity.
Olorun is also olodumare
Olorun first child is orunmila.
It wasn’t olorun that created earth or human being.