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Negroid001:
Even saying i was created as a result of copulation us even better. That's what i used to say in my Atheist days lol. You're no different from a religious fanatic who tries to explain what they have no idea about.

Genesis 1:1, what was the elohims doing before the beginning?
Whatever they were doing they didn’t begin it until the beginning.

Negroid001:
Answer my question na.

Your question started from a place of ignorance.

Nothing was “created” by any creator. Stop that harmful thinking.

Who created the hair that grows on your body?

Negroid001:
Who created nature?

Who created the hair that grows on your body?

Negroid001:
Ok where did the water originate from.

It didn’t originate from anywhere.
Water is Nature.

Sand2022:
Not in every state. In some states like California, and Florida you can still be charged for manslaughter or murder even under duress.

Send where you read this.

Sand2022:
From the point you made under the topic, duress, you can then agree that if that individual shoot someone without being under duress, the law will judge him to have done that killing out of freewill, right? So the law outlining the consequences for killing is not seen to be removing your free will. It's only setting a boundary for your freewill.

Is there a law on the land about killing your fellow man?

Do you know as citizens we have certain rights?
Is that not infringing on out freewill then?

Don’t you get it

Sand2022:
LHowever, placing a consequence for one's action doesn't mean he is not acting on freewill. Consequences for an action is not being under duress. Being under duress would be when you are forced to move to the other end with the negative consequences. Not when you move there on your own.

Been under duress and coercion is consequences for an action, i gave you an example, your money or your life.
Any decision you take is not from your freewill, it’s not voluntary.

Please look up the definition of voluntary.

Negroid001:
If you don't have evidence, keep it to yourself. I even thought you would say something better sef, baba said fish.

Bro let's change topic jawe. We'll just be arguing over whose opinion counts the most.

Let's discuss soccer or the weather.

I just showed you a picture showing EVOLUTION.

Negroid001:

Where's your evidence?

Evolution is bullshit bro.
Don't preach nonsense to me.

Please don’t believe me, i want you to know.
Have you also ever wondered why pregnant women likes salty foods?

Negroid001:
So where did life originate from?

From water, you began as a fish.
Even in your mother’s womb you began as a fish.

Have you ever wondered why most religions revere water?

A001:
Unnecessary mentions binned. Keep wasting wasting away your youth in my mentions.

Keep wasting away your life on being agnostic to the word “god”.

KnownUnknown:
It never fails! You always have time to write a version of this post. You don’t have time but you always have time to to let the world know you don’t have time. Lol

Apt, i wonder who hin dey shalaye to.

A001:
Some morons keep mentioning me unnecessarily. I no get work like you now, so I'll be sleeping and waking on Nairaland just to engage in silly arguments.

The highly intelligent ones that really have something upstairs hardly post on Nairaland. It's those with empty brains going from one thread to the other to post nonsense all day.

Keep believing a “creator” that is unknownable 😂

Sand2022:
Ok. If you shoot someone because of threat to your wife's life, will the law set you free?

Yes.

What do you understand by voluntarily?
Can you check dictionary for it?

A001:
Make una build house for Nairaland and be discussing all sorts of "isms". Mere waste of time

While at it ….

Sand2022:
Which ever one you chose is still your choice. You can decide to let them take the money to save your life. Dem no use juju to make you decide am. You made the choice. You still do not understand that definition.

Even in court they won’t regard it as “freewill” because you are saying it under COERCION and Duress.

The definition you read and you understood, didn’t you see voluntarily?

Sand2022:
When did prior cause turn to consequences? My brother what that definition is saying is that one's decisions is not based on pre-determination. Eg, you set your alarm to ring by 8pm. If it rings at that time, it did so because of your earlier or prior setup. It didn't ring by its own prompting.

When i am talking about consequences, even a reward is a consequence and not only punishment.

A001:
For now and in the foreseeable future, agnosticism is the most reasonable path as far as I'm concerned whether it tilts toward theism, deism or atheism.

Pure atheism is an ignorant position, just like theism. Both are the same sides of the same coin.

But deism is still reasonable.

Agnosticism is also a belief.
Atheism is non belief, whatever the forseeable future holds i will wait, while waiting i am not believing any gods.

Sand2022:
Hmmm you de wonderful o. This discussion will really take a century to end if you don't understand common definition.

When did prior cause turn to consequences? My brother what that definition is saying is that one's decisions is not based on pre-determination. Eg, you set your alarm to ring by 8pm. If it rings at that time, it did so because of your earlier or prior setup. It didn't ring by its own prompting.

In other words, the definition is saying that if you're not pre-destined, you have free will.

If a thief says your life or your money, whatever option you pick, is it voluntarily? Is it of your own freewill?
Or your choices are determined by the consequences?

triplechoice:
I owe you nothing .

But we owe you “evidence against” 😂

Sand2022:
You have freewill brother. It appears you don't undythe meaning of free will. Let's see what Webster's Dictionary says:

1. voluntary choice or decision. Eg I do this of my own free will

2: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.

These are the definition of free will. If you can make a choice without being coded to decide that way, you have free will.

Read your number 2 especially.

Choices that are not determined by prior causes. If you are doing something because of the consequences you are not doing it from freewill, you are only reacting to the consequences.

triplechoice:
Lol

I'm sure theists, who might be following this thread and the other one secretly , are happy the "devil has set confusion in the camp of the enemy ,

All their enemies are now camped here to fight one another leaving them alone .

I pray it continues.

Amen

Illiterate “devil” is only found in Abrahamaic religions, some theists don’t have the concept of “devil” in their MYTHOLOGY, and the funny thing is divine(god) and devil(deava) mean same time, same side of the same coin.

I am not your mate, I didn’t become an atheist because i am without knowledge.

I Will school you and your father!

triplechoice:
Bring evidence of what you claim I said

Any topic call “god” even your father no reach.

CodeTemplar:
Genesis 4:14 - Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Also who did the sons of Noah marry?


God definitely formed more than Adam and Eve.

Adam and eve are metaphorical, even the judaists themselves don’t take it literally.

triplechoice:
Bring evidence of what you claim I said , or shut up and go take your medications

You are suffering from dementia like your father. No wonder you have many “medical friends” treating both of you.

What’s the business of “buddism” with a creator or god?
Where did they believe any being was responsible for the world?

Don’t go empty oo.

Lordreed, ignoticism only makes sense when you are talking to a non theist especially these agnostics. A typical theist has a name for his deity, “god” is just a generic title, an English word with Germanic origins.
A yahweh worshipper and a Allah(hubal) worshipper will never agree they worship the same “god”, they worship different things call “god”.

Also Ignosticism and theological noncognitivism are similar but different. Taking on labels like workch is a endless circle.

Workch:
But Ignosticism is scientific: it does not take the question of God seriously because there are no falsifiable parameters to test. It thinks that no one should take such abstract concept seriously until someone brings anything that we can test so they really do not bitejr if God exist it not if it cannot be tested.

I like this concept

To a Christian you are an atheist, you don’t believe in his god, to a Muslim you are an atheist you don’t believe in his god, carrying label all around is rubbish.

Workch:
The answer is invariably that "does God exist" is a non-question not worth taking seriously until someone, some day, comes along with a clear, non-outlandish and falsifiable concept.

I think as I learn everyday, I am tilting toward Ignosticism. But I am still doing my research.

Science has to define what “god” means so if someone, some day, comes along with a clear, non-outlandish and falsifiable concept they will be able to match it and prove those evidences.

phlogiston Was defined CLEARLY with his properties right?

Sand2022:
So if Mr A shoots B, he should go free with it right? Just so that he can have freewill.

Who told mr A and B they have freewill?
Even in Nigeria constitution you don’t have freewill, that’s why there are laws and if you break it you will be punished.
Nigeria constitution has set up CERTAIN citizen rights.

triplechoice:
Are you about to have another relaspe?

Bring where I said buddist believe in a god, or go take your medications quicky .

I am not like your father, go and ask him.

What’s the business of “buddism” with a creator or god?
Where did they believe any being was responsible for the world?

Don’t go empty oo.

budaatum:
So, just observe them. Perhaps?

Absolutely. We all observing.

budaatum:
Pretty much.

Good.