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triplechoice:
No need to fight over this . Agnostics ,atheist or whatever is something anyone can move away from or switch into tomorrow .

triplechoice:
Where did I say it's an attack?

triplechoice:
Stop spewing your ignorance in my face . Take it elsewhere

triplechoice:
I'm not to answer for theist . I did what you should done yourself like I have done before now .

You are making it seem I'm the one making the god claims despite what I explained.

triplechoice:
It doesn't make sense to them and that's why they call you devil worshippers and confused people.

triplechoice:
Not the same . Very surprised by this comment of yours . I should be the one laughing at you .

'Neither ,nor' ,means nothing there .

"Neither John nor Peter is here" ,
equals certainty ,meaning there are definitely not here.

' I don't believe John or Peter is here ' is not certainty . It's possible they might be around .

The key thing here is, 'believe' preceeded by the coordinating conjunction ,'neither ,nor ' which is complete negation of what comes after .

So tell me now ,how is it exactly the same ?




A theist can equally bring exactly the same laughable argument you just brought in to dismiss agnosticism . And they too have done something similar in another thread.

It's certainly not possible for both of you viewing it from the opposite end to have the same perspective

So something is definitely wrong.

And what could that be ?

You are both commiting the mistake of trying to interprete agnosticism strictly from your respective position without making the attempt, even for once , to place yourselves in the position of the agnostic, at the middle , in order to understand how exactly it feels to be one .

Agnosticism is a state of mind and for you to make complete sense of it ,you will need to suspend temporary how you currently think and then try to assume the position to function from that state

That's the only way ,Nothing is would do . Mockery and blind arguments won't help at all. Such antics is symptomatic of someone who is afraid of letting go of what they holds on to as truth .


Reading about it is also not enough . You need to take action and demonstrate it for yourselves .

If you are very critical and continue to be critical of agnosticism ,then it's evidence enough, you don't yet understand it just like theist who also cannot make sense of atheism ,wondering why anyone refuses to believe in a god .It doesn't make sense to them and that's why they call you devil worshippers and confused people.

They just can just bring themselves to think from your position . If they do so ,then the deconversion process begins . That's all it works .

I can boast of this ,the day you make sense of agnosticism is the day atheism loses its meaning for you .



Don't use your knowledge and experience of atheism or theism to interprete agnosticism and think you will get it .

Learn what it's separately ,if not , you will fail woefully like an ignorant person trying to use their knowledge and experience of English pronunciation to try to pronounce words in French simply because he sees that both language shares exactly the same phonetic symbols . He won't get it at first , and will ridicule himself in the presence of those who know the correct pronunciation .



It's hugely disappointing to read some comments, not to talk of the craziness alongside it from some persons .

Workch:
the picture is a false dichotomy. It's no that straight forward

KnownUnknown:
Bleep it.

Higher power
Supreme being
Higher intelligence
Supreme Intellect
Extra physical Source
The Source
The One
Maximally Great Power
Energy
All forms of Energy
The Universe
The universal consciousness
The ultimate consciousness
The supreme consciousness
Existence
Ultimate existence
The creator
The uncaused cause
The ultimate cause
The necessary being
Higher being
Ultimate being

triplechoice:
The word,. God or "creator",are descriptive terms which some theist are using to describe what they conclude is responsible for the world we live in .

triplechoice:
Buddism is one religion holding on to that . They don't believe an external being is responsible for our world .

Workch:
This is a Pascal's wager, if we follow your logic.

Pascal's wager lumps all religion together. He argued that it's better to believe in God because you will have nothing to lose if God does not

Workch:
It's 18 pages, atheists still cannot demonstrate anything 🤣🤣🤣

Workch:
Yes, atleast we have evidence of rats living inside a wall, there's no evidence for atheism 🤣🤣🤣

Lol 😅😅😅😅

Workch:
another whataboutism fallacy 😂

Atheists eat fallaciez like food just like theists when they meet a superior argument.

Workch:
Bros, atheism is not scientific.
Science works with evidence and not with disbelieve like atheism does.

It's simple, and I have proven that. No atheist has provided any evidence and we are in the 16th page of this thread 😂

Workch:
It's false dichotomy.

You are only working with two option of either believe or disbelieve.
You are incapable of comprehending the fact that some people called agnostics don't fall into these two categories.

You have to reset your brain to admit it 😂

Workch:
I won't do the job of providing your disbelieve evidence for you. You do it or stop crying 😂

Workch:
If the rat is not in the house, it does not mean that the rat in outside of the house. There are some other options, it could be inside the wall or the roof.

Workch:
So if the rat is not outside of the house, does that automatically means that the rat is inside the house?

Workch:
I won't, I swear. Just stop asking me to do your atheist job for you 😂

If you disbelieve, then be ready to bring evidence 🤣 simple.

Agnosticism doesn't work with beliefs and disbeliefs

Workch:
I don't believe or disbelieve. Put them together and that's purple.

Don't ask for one, it's called cherrypicking fallacy

Queenttoast01:
Hebrews chapter 11
King James Version

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. 17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. 20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. 21By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. 22By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. 23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. 24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; 25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. 27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. 28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. 29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. 30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. 31By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38(Of whom the world was not worthysmiley they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Workch:
I will give you another analogy, blue plus red gives purple. Purple is neither blue or red, it's purple.

You can't says it's with either blue or red

Workch:
How do you reason like this? 😂😂

LordReed:
More than anything else these discussions on agnosticism has pushed me more towards Ignosticism. What is a god? Does that word have a coherent, non ambiguous answer or is it just another word for bullshìt.

Workch:
yes.

Negroid001:
After i ditched Athiesm. Was calling myself athiest even years after. If you say I'm a Deist, it's fine. I stand to be corrected.

triplechoice:
From the things you have said about yourself ,the word. that best describe your current position is deism. ,not agnosticism.

Deist are the ones who are convinced an external creator exist for the world we collectively share together. Agnostics don't hold such conviction yet

triplechoice:
Deist best describes him

Queenttoast01:
Hebrews chapter 11
King James Version

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. 17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. 20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. 21By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. 22By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. 23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. 24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; 25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. 27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. 28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. 29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. 30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. 31By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38(Of whom the world was not worthysmiley they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Workch:
So why do you disbelieve the existence of a god?