Richwallet:


So. You are a pagan Cushite. There are Cushites who believe in Christ and some believe in Allah. We have people in the U.S that follow African religions. Freedom of Religion. I will never tell them to put away your gods and follow mine. That's insulting unless they were relatives I said that too. Even then my asking my relatives to join my faith is merely an invite they can reject without any more discussion. Freedom of Religion.


Parents can disown a child that refuses to obey their way of life thus removing a tumor. In some traditions a parent may even kill a child who brings shame on their family's name. It's called honor killing.

Murder is a crime even for royalty. To kill one's own brothers over the throne is still murder. Some relatives will kill to steal an inheritance. Some will kill over envy. God sees this and divine intervention can occur. So how do you think God will respond? This person God bless to be in a royal sacred bloodline and they commit abominations? Cut them off. Remove the offenders from the bloodline. Sometimes we marry the wrong people and end up dealing with ingrates inside the royal bloodline. That's a curse. Those who come from cursed bloodlines who God allowed to be born to teach us to be more selective in the future.

Whenever my royal ancestors stood as a family they performed miracles on the earth by the grace of God. There were also times of infighting, murder and overthrows because of aggressive bloodlines. Although aggressive warriors they were not martrys, they lacked to sacrifice for other's and to fight to death. They served not God's cause so they were removed from the bloodline. That is the reason behind the lost throne to remove the unworthy.



PARANORMAL BLOODLINES
It is believed that only special royal bloodlines possessed paranormal powers like the Cwezi. King Rwabugiri IV the great, an ancient Rwandan king was believed to have possessed paranormal powers along with one of his wives. Muhumuza. Rwabugiri was the first king to meet with the Europeans, he resisted slave trade and saved the remains of the Rwandan borders during the scramble and partition for Africa.

Also these bloodlines begun breaking the customary laws practicing forbidden customs such as eating prohibited meats, foods, certain fish, reptiles, marrying into hostile or forbidden bloodlines, murdering, breaking oath, abominations, inciting and obtaining curses, abandoning own customs, sodomy, laying down with animals etc. Ability to possess these mystical powers survived among some African peoples until 19th century when heavy interbreeding between clans, tribes and races took place therefore weakening special bloodlines.

Only if you know how you look, basing your life on a set of books written by unknown authors.


But those practices are not effective if it was there won’t be repetitive occurrence of it, it seems if you want to treat hot water you don’t need to fight it with hotter water but cold water.

I get before no be property. They are always your ancestors why are you not doing it?
Are your ancestors greater than you?

Hope you know there’s a difference between kill and murder?
The one in the 10 commandments says “murder”.

Richwallet:



You are a pagan Cushite and that is no disrespect to you only acknowledging your heritage. You see the world through your forefather's eyes. Freedom of Religion.

God gives punishment as correction to encourage us to stick with His laws. The same way a parent punishes a disobedient child. Sometimes God has no choice except remove a very wicked person the same way a tumor is removed from the body, very nasty people are removed or cleansed to save the whole.

Feel disrespected by calling me characters in a jewish book, books gotten from different sources as far back as epic of gilgamesh.
Do you know why they call it “epic”?

But any reasonable parent knows if a child doesn’t change after beating him for so long and so many times, he needs to change strategy. Beating the child more won’t encourage him to stop.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Removing a tumor in the body doesn’t mean another tumor, even much larger won’t grow later.
To proper manage tumor so it won’t reoccur, you need to live justly in terms of eating good, exercise, attitude and work etc.
Seems I’m wiser than your creator.

Richwallet:



Why does anything need respect. If you have a pet lion like your King Salassie then you wouldn't respect it? Everything and everyone deserves respect even enemies.

God's aim is to cut off the wicked from His people. Alot of Israelites who wouldn't conform to God's commandments had to die. God purifies the bloodline by killing off the wicked.

It's my understanding of it and it may not be shared by all. Yet I speak with royal authority yet it's still up to God.

Because people wants to be valued, its a need that is lacking that humans desire, is your god also lacking this?
Haile salaisse has emotions, we all want to be valued, we all want to be important and when someone doesn’t do that we feel disrespected.
Does this apply to your god also?
Most people in Africa don’t know who “ King Salassie”is, that’s why i said you haven’t met Ethiopians, you’ve only meant some Ethiopians.

If i were god and omniscience why would i create something that i will later destroy myself, may we not destroy the work of our hand.
How effective has it been killing wicked people for purification?
He did it 6000 years ago in the Old Testament, he is still using the same stale plan.
I thought a omnipresent and wise god would come up with better ideas, all these ideas just seem so basic that even humans that are good at war management have better ways to settle conflicts that has lasted for long.

Your god needs to change strategy, he should try to stop creating wicked people.

Richwallet:


Envy is a demon in Christianity and Islamic philosophy. It is not a human emotion.

All deities must be treated with respect including the Most High.

Niggas tell the world they are God's chosen people yet they are deeply engaged in the same occult practices of Sodom and Gomorrah as the pagans. This is offensive to God that His holy image is being used to break His laws and deceive souls.

Is generosity an angel?
Both Christianity and islam are just one of the abrahamaic religion, and they have their roots in Judaism.
In Judaism, demons are not evil.

Why does deities need respect, do they lack it inherently?

If it’s offensive to your god then this god should deal with them, noise is not music.
After cursing and cursing, what next?

Richwallet:



Envy is a demon. Narcissist was taken from a Greek story of a boy,so in love with himself that he offended the goddess, and she cursed him into a flower, which is the root of the name.


I never feel envy. And I have never felt envy. Sure I hear the whispers of demons yet I don't give into to such. We all receive subconscious suggestions that come from our environment yet we must guard the gates that lead to our soul. I pray for other's happiness and give freely without expecting a return.

Niggas are the result of captivity that some people become like animals in a cage. It is not a reference to people of color as a whole. Curses are upon niggas because they mock God. Unlike pagan Africans that doesn't believe in Christ so they can never offend Him. But to those who say they believe and do pagan satanic rituals God specifically curse them. But just the same if you promise Orisa or god you will do something if they deliver for you then you best to keep your promise. And you must not do offensive acts that offend that Orisa. That's why niggas are cursed.

Narcissism was not taken from a “greek” story, narcissism was a character inside metamorphosis by Ovid.

Feeling envy once in a while is a normal trait of human beings.
If envy and narcissism is caused by “demon” can we say the opposite are caused by “angels”?

Who captured niggas and made them become like animals in a cage? Shouldn’t we be blaming the perpetrators and not the victims?
If you are not referring to skin colors then where does “niggas”come in?
What do you mean by “ always knew niggas were the problem and not the White man.”?

If someone mocks you the next thing is not to curse them, that’s a sign of insecurity, it’s baffling a loving god is cursing his own creation lol, like creation like creator.

Why does your god and his son needs people to “believe” in him?

Orisha don’t claim to be loving, kind, merciful and peaceful, i would think there will be a difference between orishas and your god.
And if your god is all knowing won’t he know beforehand who will keep his promise or not?
One can only wonder why he keeps regretting

TenQ:

I see that you are a disciple of Buda!

Ill like to close for the day.
Peace

People perish because they lack knowledge not beliefs as stated in your collection of books you call “bible”.
When you know something, you don’t need to believe in it again, lack of knowledge creates beliefs.
You yourself said believing anything without verifying is DANGEROUS.

Richwallet:


Is there a such thing as healthy demonic possession? In my opinion, a person with a healthy self confidence wouldn't become narcissistic in the first place. You do realize narcissism is a demon? Envy is a demon too.

I have been around Ethiopians before and they seem very humble and confident. You have never been around niggas, Akata rather Black Americans. Niggas are lowly and trifling which means they are motivated constantly by petty things. 8 years Obama was our president and niggas would fight anyone to prevent Obama from doing anything for Black Americans. A few of them have money and they don't want economic justice to go around because they are afraid of those behind them passing them up. I always knew niggas were the problem and not the White man.

Narcissism means loving yourself albeit way too much.
What is a “demon”?
Everyone in certain moments exhibit narcissism and envy, it is an emotion.

You haven’t been around “Ethiopians”, you’ve only been around “some Ethiopians”, a very small size to draw any conclusions from, every Ethiopian have different characters, and like you said they “seem”….
Anyone can be lowly, trifling and can be motivated constantly by petty things, it’s not the color that caused it,even you yourself said some Ethiopians are humble and confident even though they might be dark skin.

The population of black Americans is low, so within that low population how many niggas were fighting with obama?
People are the problem regardless of skin color.

And the opposite of “niggas” is not white men,all fair skin men don’t behave the same.
A small specific group of people can’t be compared to a whole race.

Richwallet:



I would agree with exception that to a narcissist it doesn't matter.

A person with healthy narcissism will feel proud of their OWN accomplishments.

TenQ:

I mean do you believe in the TEXT you posted or it's just a statement!

I don’t “believe” in the text i posted, I know the TEXT.

TenQ:

It's like saying your definition of spirit is NOT helpful one bit. Because of that, it is impossible to comprehend or visualise it.

ANYTHING can be poured into an empty cup: even junks. The integrity of the pourer must be impeccable for that to be allowed!

It seems You have a specific definition of “spirit” in your mind, I gave you the ORIGIN of the word definition, I didn’t form it, it’s fine if you can’t comprehend or visualize the etymology of the word.

When an empty cup is filled, you can’t pour ANYTHING inside it again even if the integrity of the pourer is impeccable.
My analogy of the empty cup is not that you accept anything I say but to learn you need to be am empty cup that’s ready to learn, verify what you learn before pouring it inside you.

TenQ:

I did not intend that you solve the problem. I have actually provided an answer

Answer:
God forbid bad thing, when I'm not mad. I will not jump from the plane sir.

Is sounds funny isn't it?

It is dangerous being an empty cup for a knowledge you can't verify: why?
You will just be filled with junk?

Maybe another time, we can talk of your definition of spirit: as of now, it makes no sense to me. I'll like to be able to visualise your description.

Does it sound funny to you?

You need to be an empty cup for you to understand the knowledge, then you verify.
Exactly, That’s why belief is nonsense and dangerous ,you need to know then verify not just believe without verifying like you said.

How can you visualize my description when you don’t even know the definition of my description?
That’s like fixing the cart before the horse.

TenQ:

Is this what you believe or just a statement?

I don’t “believe” it, like i said when you were typing this message you use repose and movement.
Your heartbeat is on repose and movement.

I wonder

TenQ:

If I say I understand you, it is not true !

Gospel of Thomas 50:1-3.

It’s not my fault that you don’t, there’s a lot of things scientists don’t understand about science that doesn’t mean science is not understandable.
To understand me you need to be like an empty cup.

TenQ:

If I say I understand you, it is not true !
Reminds me of a hypothetical A'Level physics exam.


Question 1:
You are in an airplane traveling at 200km/h at a height of 1.2 km above the earth's surface. Ignoring air viscousity, while g=9.8m/s^2
a. How long will it take before you hit the ground?
b. How many kilometres would you have moved horizontally from the point where you jumped?

Answer:
God forbid bad thing, when I'm not mad. I will not jump from the plane sir.

Is sounds funny isn't it?

To solve these problems, we'll need to convert the units to a consistent system. Let's convert the speed from kilometers per hour to meters per second.

a. Converting the speed:
200 km/h = (200 * 1000) m / (60 * 60) s ≈ 55.56 m/s

Using the equation of motion s = ut + (1/2)at², where:
s = displacement (distance fallen) = height above the ground = 1.2 km = 1200 m
u = initial velocity = 0 (since you are initially at rest in the airplane)
a = acceleration due to gravity = g = 9.8 m/s²
t = time taken

We can rearrange the equation to solve for time (t):
s = ut + (1/2)at²
1200 = 0 + (1/2)(9.t²
2400 = 9.8t²
t² = 2400 / 9.8
t ≈ √(245.9)
t ≈ 15.67 seconds

Therefore, it would take approximately 15.67 seconds before you hit the ground.

b. To find the horizontal distance traveled, we can use the formula: distance = speed × time.

Distance = 55.56 m/s × 15.67 s ≈ 870.33 meters.

Therefore, you would have moved approximately 870.33 meters horizontally from the point where you jumped.

TenQ:

Are you saying that a human being is a Duality: composed of a Body and a Spirit?

What happens at death to the spirit?

Not just human beings, everything has repose and Movement.

Nothing happens to the spirit at dead, the same way nothing happens to the spirit when ones leg is amputated.
You don’t say “i am leg” same way you are not your body.

TenQ:

I didn't ask you to understand how to BE in 1D or 2D. In other words I ask if you can visualise objects and their movement/interactions in 1D and 2D. To comprehend higher dimensions, the least one can do is to understand first the lower Dimensions

If it is impossible for you to craft a means by which an object in 2D space can project to comprehend/visualise a 3D space, certainly it would be impossible for you in 3D to comprehend or visualise the 4D space and higher

If plants too can have spirits, I guess I am lost to your definition of spirit

I can visualize 1D and 2D in the lenses of 3D, it doesn’t mean i can project to comprehend/visualise a 1D or2D space, the same way i can visualize 4D and higher D in the lenses of 3D, it doesn’t mean i can project to comprehend/visualise a 4D space,
Lower dimension simply means lack of a way of measurement.
The difference between 1D and 2D is one dimension.

What’s the origin of the word “spirit”?
if i need to “believe” there are spirits, I guess I am lost to your definition of spirit.
My own definition doesn’t require belief.

TenQ:

Your kind of Atheist believe spirits exist!?

I still find it difficult to comprehend: I am a visual person.

Who/What is being reposed?
Who/What is being moved ?
You have made the spirit distinct from the body!

Is the spirit describable?

Sorry, I just want to understand ni o!

I don’t “believe” spirit exist, i “know” that it does, I’m alive because of it.
Repose is rest.
Moved is Movement.
When you were typing your message, you used repose and movement to write it.
When you hear a music it is because of the balance between repose and movement.
When you see a painting it is because of the balance between repose and movement.
When you walk it is because of the balance between repose and movement.

Of course, it’s different.
You are not your body, you don’t say “i am leg”, you don’t say “i am thigh”.
Your body can get sick but you still “i am”, you can lose your leg but you still “i am”, “i am” exist without the body.

TenQ:

But Atheists don't believe spirits exist.

At the same time, I don't understand what you mean by repose and movement and it having no dimension.

There’s no association of “atheists”. We don’t have a doctrine.
There’s only one common theme in atheism and it means rejecting any god or gods.
An atheist can explore his options outside of this theme.
A sango worshipper is a theist like a yahweh worshipper but it doesn’t mean they agree in everything, they only have one thing in common and is belief in a god or gods
Also, what do you mean by “spirit”.

Repose and movement, Everything in this world uses it.
Why should repose and movement have dimensions?
It’s boundless.
Our body have limitations that is why we need dimensions.

TenQ:


To fathom is to comprehend or understand!

Are you sure you can't fathom 1D and2D?

As you well know, dimensions are not visible and for 4D even if all dimensions are present, you can only fathom 3D!

On the spirit:
You said you have one: thus I asked you questions about it (just the same way you Atheists do). So, will you please respond to the question?

I don’t understand what it means to BE 1D, 2D, I only understand 1D and 2D through the lenses of 3D. I never stop being 3D.

Yes my perception can only fathom 3D, doesn’t mean we can’t have tools that can make me see 4D.
Just like I can’t see microorganisms, but we can see it through microscopes. I can understand 4D with a tool and I’ll still remain 3D.

I already answered you, even a plant has spirit, you can see it in its repose and movement.
Also we should first agree what “spirit” means, it seems you have another definition different from mine.

TenQ:

I don't understand: I know how a human body look like. How does your spirit look like? Is is heavy, light, what's the color etc

Spirit is not a human body. All bodies and objects have shape because of dimensions. I can see what plato means by form and matter.
Spirit is repose and movement, it has no dimension.
We have color because of reflection of light, light itself is colorless, the deflection of it causes different colors.

TenQ:

This is the whole point of the discussion!

We can visualise 1D and 2D because we live in 3D.

We note that those in 1D cannot fathom 2D and those in 2D space cannot fathom 3D.

We have no reason to believe or know that higher dimensions other than 3D exist
BUT
If they exist, we have no way to know. It is beyond us.

My only extension (of course you don't need to agree) is that perhaps this higher dimension is the state Christians call the "Spirit Space" or spirit realm.

I was hoping that some of you guys will be theorising procedures to break into the higher dimensions or at least detect it if possible. But know, just because this is in the Religion section of Nairaland by a non-atheist, the thread must be brought down!


QED!

I am 3D and i can’t fathom 1D, 2D, i can only see and fathom in 3D.
We might not necessarily live in 3D, there might be other dimensions right within us but my perception is only 3D.
I can only measure my world through 3D, doesn’t mean the world is only 3D.

Higher dimension will just be another form of measurement different from height, length and depth.
I can view a 1D object that doesn’t mean I’m 1D, i can have tools that can allow me to view higher dimensions but i still remain a 3D.

Is this “spirit space” a form of measurement?
length, depth and height has one constant characteristic and it is for measurement of objects, so any dimension will also have that constant characteristic.

TenQ:

You have a spirit!?
How does it LOOK like?

LOL!

Repose and Movement.

TenQ:

If there is indeed a 4D how can you know?
Is there a ceiling to the number of dimensions that can exist in the universe?

I think it will be the same way i know 3D, 2D and 1D, and my perception can only determine the numbers of dimensions i can know, maybe there will be a tool in the future that can further enhance my perception to know other dimensions.
If that’s the case that means 4D already exists right now, i am the one not using it.
I have 2 eyes but they are not sharper than some animal eyes, we might have some animals that already see in 4D or more, I’m suspecting those animals/ants that work on any surface irrespective of the direction.

TenQ:

I don't understand you.



I wasn't questioning science, I was trying to understand it. This is how I do my faith too. I try to comprehend and be able to explain the things I see and read from my bible.

I will discuss Science, Philosophy and Logic with those who have the foundational knowledge in the subject (everyone is welcome the criteria is clear)

I will discuss Christianity with Christians (I won't discuss Christianity with Atheists and Muslims)

I will discuss Islam with Muslim (I won't discuss Islam with Christians and Atheists)

Exactly, then one should go beyond the doctrine of what one has been taught.
All the words used starting from genesis should be carefully examined to understand it better one need to research on the origin of the books in the Bible, one needs to start from the foundation.
Even the word “faith” from pistis how was it used originally, this is what i mean.

Anyone that desires wisdom is a philosopher, the opposite is misosophy.

TenQ:

Your accusation:
Where did I question Science on this thread?

And i meant “discuss” in the context.

TenQ:

And your definition takes care of a vector space as they may have a finite number of dimensions or even an infinite number of dimensions. Euclidean space or vector space of all polynomials are included?

All these shapes has length, breadth and depth and more ADDITIONAL Dimensions, if we can understand the first constant 3 dimensions, we can look for what’s lacking and find it out.

TenQ:

The spirit in you have started manifesting again:

Where did I question science?

Of course, i am breathing, i have a spirit, don’t you?

Not necessary “question”, but this kinds of discuss is for the advancement of science.

TenQ:

Stupidity exemplified!

I gave you a full definition of Dimensions and all you could do is to reduce it into length,breath and height!

Let me help you out by reposting it so that you can ask yourself if what you wrote here is not just a tiny subset of my definition!


Let me oblige you so that we can move forward!

Definition Dimensions:
1. In mathematics and physics, a dimension refers to the number of independent directions or coordinates required to describe an object or space . It provides a quantitative measure of the extent or complexity of a system.

2. In the context of geometry, the term "dimension" often refers to spatial dimensions. For example, in two-dimensional (2D) space, two coordinates (such as length and width) are needed to specify the position of an object. In three-dimensional (3D) space, three coordinates (length, width, and height) are required. Higher-dimensional spaces, such as four-dimensional (4D) spacetime in physics, involve additional independent directions.

3. Dimensions can also be abstract and apply to other mathematical structures beyond physical space. For instance, a vector space may have a finite number of dimensions or even an infinite number of dimensions.

In general, the concept of dimension provides a framework for understanding the properties, relationships, and complexity of objects and spaces in various mathematical, geometric, and physical contexts.




Since you have nothing more to say, please go and study some more!

Everything you said still ended up at length, breath and height.
All possible dimensions will ALWAYS begin with length,breath and height….
Something that can be MEASURED in a particular way starting from length, breathe and height….

If we understand length, breadth and height as basic as it is, we can better understand other kinds of measurements.

TenQ:

I defined Dimensions and many more to you my dear.

Check below if I didn't answer you well

Also it is good to question science, that is the only way to the development and advancement of science.


But this thing is a 2 way end, the way you are questioning science, you should also question your religion.
Question both ends, so you can remove the chaff from wheat on BOTH sides then there will be more clarity.

LordReed:


LoLz. Maybe the god is in 20D.

Bwahahaha

TenQ:

I defined Dimensions and many more to you my dear.

Check below if I didn't answer you well

Dribbling around.
It simply means length, breadth and height and so on. Something that can be MEASURED in a particular way.