Ken4Christ:


Please, send excerpt of his quotes. I don't have time to click on links.

you dont have to click on the link, your ignorance remains only with you.

Ken4Christ:


Not every Jews believed Jesus. So, not every Jews believed his messages. Even some of his disciples left him when he began to talk about eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

Even when he rose from the dead, Thomas didn't believe until he saw him.

So, you don't have to wait to hear the affirmation of the Jews before you believe God's word that is clearly written.

there were jews before jesus parent was born.

answer

So what did Jesus call "hell" to his Jewish audience?

And the Lazarus story, do you think the Pharisees took 'hades' literal?
send references where jews take hell as hades, or was it jesus that created the concept in 1st century?

Ken4Christ:


Most things of God doesn't make sense but they are true.

Does it make sense for Jesus to send Peter to go catch fish and get money out of the mouth of the fish?

Does it make sense to walk on water. Jesus walked on water.

Does it make sense for a wine to be demanded in an occasion and Jesus asked them to fill water pots with water that was turned into wine.

This is why the scripture says that the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.

they are only found in the books you are basing your life on and wasting your life away while alive. you only have this life, enjoy it.

in quran, mohammed also sliced the moon into 2, inside the quran just like your jesus was walking on water inside the new testament.
religion turns you into an idiot.

Bluezy13:
The Elders are the wise council who advise god and deliberate on heavenly and earthly matters of utmost importance.
You know, just like the elders in movies who surround the king/emperor.

If they do not advise god, God will make a mistake and his rulership will be messed up.

Hehehe...look at how I am able to concoct a story that fits into the picture. I should start a church... or better still, my own religion.
After all, everything is a fairytale.

Lwkmd

Kobojunkie:
Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!
What aspect of the passage below which is Isaiah 42 when taken in context says any of what you have alluded to on this thread?
The above is God of Israel scolding the people of Israel who would not listen to Him nor do as He had commanded of them, all before He then used the Assyrian army to destroy the nation of Israel during the period around 720BC.

Religionists and their pick-and-chose theologies!!.

So why not read the next chapters?

Kobojunkie:
So Roman's used Judaism to produce Jesus Christ? Meaning Judaism is susceptible to Pagan manipulation?

yes, they started with Septuagint, the roman book where the unknown author of book of Matthew coined his own virgin story that you gullible believe in.

Kobojunkie:
So, where exactly in Scripture did the God of Israel say that He is equally God of the religion of Judaism? More importantly, are we to believe the God of Israel prevaricated when He essentially— many years before Judaism was then established by the Babylonian returnees— fired, not one but all of His former shepherds, proclaiming that He alone would shepherd His sheep beginning in Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31?

And who told you the Jews were monotheist before they were exile to Babylon?
Stop basing your life on Jewish books and lost sheep of Israel lol

Before Judaism there was yahwism, where the god of israel was worship with other gods in a Pantheon.
And not to forget that Abraham is claimed as the father of Judaism

You should also read Ezekiel 20:25-26
Where god of israel was requesting for firstborn baby.

Religion thrives on ignorance.

Ken4Christ:



Why do you think it strange to have worms in liquid fire? Are there not sea animals. These worms are not ordinary worms. They are designed to survive the heat and add to .

Chai, damn religion. When does it stop making sense to you?

Ken4Christ:


It's hell that has department or diffeent kind of cell

So what did Jesus call "hell" to his Jewish audience?

And the Lazarus story, do you think the Pharisees took it literal?

Ken4Christ:



Read all the references of hell in the Bible and come back and tell me it's just a physical grave. Only a mad person will reach such conclusion.

The word "hell" is NEVER mentioned in the bible, read.
https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaa


Only a deranged person will be adamant on his ignorance.

Ken4Christ:


Do you know that there are anti Christ among the Jews. His views doesn't change the truth of the scripture.

Read all the references of hell in the Bible and come back and tell me it's just a physical grave. Only a mad person will reach such conclusion.

What does Antichrist got to do with Gehenna, Sheol?
These concept existed before Jesus was born.

And this person is a Christian like you not a Jew, he only used his common sense to find out the meaning of the Jewish concept.

Why not even try to read a LITTLE and add New knowledge, atall at all bro lol
You afraid of doubting of your beliefs?

Ken4Christ:



Even if we use the scripture to analyze how these terms were used, common sense will tell you they are places of torment. The first two refers to the present hell while the later is the Lake of fire.

I wish you can just Drop your delusion for a sec and just read on this Jewish concepts, this is a fellow Christian like you explaining it using scriptures and common sense.
https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaa

Jackanda1:
Which God are you talking about?

Any god that is omniscience.

Ken4Christ:


A bigger fire has consumed it but the torment continues.

I also believe that when Jesus said that the fire is never quenched, he was referring to Gehenna (Lake of fire).

Mark 9:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

The word from which hell is translated here is Gehenna.

So lake of fire is no more liquid fire, lake of fire now contains worms?
So are people in hell or lake of fire now?

So where did Jesus talk on hell?
And is it lake of fire that has different department, earlier you said it was hell.

Jackanda1:
You completely ignored the scriptures i quoted.

I'm not talking about the god in your scriptures.

Ken4Christ:


Stop emphasizing on affirmation from the Jews. I told you they know what Hades, Sheol and Gehenna means.

Even if we use the scripture to analyze how these terms were used, common sense will tell you they are places of torment. The first two refers to the present hell while the later is the Lake of fire.

Check my thread on the contrast between hell and physical grave, you will understand better.

This are Jewish books, are you saying none of. Your tales exist in their books or traditions? No Rabbi or pharisees EVER talks on this, then how did jesus Jewish audience understand it?

Did Zechariah and Elizabeth know that Gehenna is hell?

And again, i didnt talk about the jews affirmation, just show me where jews take sheol and gehenna as hell and lake of fire, also show me the different departments in gehenna, earlier you said they know.

Maybe it's you that don't understand what you are defending lol

Kobojunkie:
According to Scripture, God answers ALL — not some— of the prayers of the righteous; He does not answer any of the prayers of the unrighteous. And Scripture also declares that God always answers the prayers of the Righteous in the affirmative. But here you are implying that Scripture is wrong about God as you insist that your prayers can cause God of Israel to change His mind regarding that which He declared in His Everlasting Law, is that so?

Your god needs to listen to Jesus.


Luke 6:32-36
“But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.

Nonsense.

Kobojunkie:

2. God never changes His mind regarding His Law/Covenant. That is what it means when in Scripture it is stated that God never changes His mind nor lies. God can choose to give suffering to a man and then take that suffering away from him much later, as in the case of the man called Job. That is not God changing His mind or God telling a lie. Rather is it the working of God according to His Law. Everything God does aligns with His Law — He is holy and faithful to His Covenant and Law.

how come Yahweh regretted making Saul a king and later changed his mind to appoint David?

Also the job story is an allegory, it's not historical.

LSD, those racist bastards.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptus

HugeElephant:

Now my question is this, "when people die, where do they really go". Where do they go? nobody knows.

Didn't you see the body of the person that died?
Where did the body go?

A Omniscience god can't make NEW decisions.

Kobojunkie:
Stop Rambling! Wetin concerns Jesus Christ with the false claim you made back in 2022?

This is a forum, and as long as posts are up, anyone can respond. If you no get a better purpose for your own life, go out and find it for yourself and stop posting on here.

It's you that have been making the senseless ramblings on here yet you lack the basis of what you are basing your life on.

Was it not an Angel that made a convenant with Abraham.
Who did moses see when the fire was burning? An angel?

Yahweh that you are basing your life on is also the father of Cain, the one that impregnated eve, Samael.

You are as empty as the people you quote on here.

Kobojunkie:
I am not a disciple of Paul so I don't hold brief for him. how in the world would I know if Paul went blind? I accept the narrative as offered given there are no contrary statements made by those who witnessed the event. I mean am I instead to believe the claims of one who never witnessed the event and whose ideas come from a place of bias against the man, Paul, or something? .

Who told you they witnessed the event? The same book?
Who is the witness to Paul vision? Himself?

It was you that said Paul a former murderer went to Damascus for 3 years after he got his vision, he would have only gone blind.
Don't be too credulous.

The books you are basing your life on filled with contradictions, you can keep being delusional.

Soon, you will be Quoting lost sheep of israel she found in book of Matthew

Kobojunkie:
This delusion that Jesus Christ gave only one commandment is born of the Religion of men and not of Scripture. Scripture rather reveals that Jesus Christ gave command after command to His followers urging them to obey them all to prove themselves worth to Him.

You are still yet to answer did Paul or is it Saul go to Damascus blind?

Kobojunkie:
This delusion that Jesus Christ gave only one commandment is born of the Religion of men and not of Scripture. Scripture rather reveals that Jesus Christ gave command after command to His followers urging them to obey them all to prove themselves worth to Him.

The lack of comprehension you are using to read the book is evident, Jesus gave only one commandant that his own father gave him, he came to deliver the word. John 12:49
Jesus repeated the ONLY commandment again in John 15:17

Soon you will quote the lost sheep of Israel that was added into book of Matthew for some reasons your gullible self don't know.

Kobojunkie:
As Jesus Christ made clear to you from over 2000 years ago, Obedience, not prayer, is the key to the Kingdom of God. And those who obey Him are those who experience the love and freedom that God provides in Jesus Christ.

John 15:12, which talks about Jesus only commandment and the basis of all his teachings.

Are you obeying it?

SIRTee15:


People with ego protect the dignity of their parents.

How did your Jewish savior protect the dignity of his mother when she came visiting?

SIRTee15:


Hahaha. Failure of a father and son.
Even if your father trained U well, he would have taught u ego.
Your lack of ego is the reason why your father is a big fool.
People with ego protect the dignity of their parents.
Wasted fool.

If your father was trained he won't be a worthless Jewish slave like his own father basing their life on jewish books with unknown authors.

Condemned idiot.

SIRTee15:


Your smello fagg.ot father is is a failure. The evidence is U.
Were who wouldn't mind turning his father to pig just for likes.

Son of a Worthless Jewish slave worshipping the god of Israel and basing his worthless life on it.

If your father had a dignity up to a pig, you would not abuse other people's father.

SIRTee15:


Your father is a bastard. Tell him I said so.

Your father is a worthless Jewish slave basing his life on a man that his birth and death is unknown.

He already knows so no need to tell him

HISSCRIBE1995:

I didn't get you point .


Elaborate.

read it till you understand, they are in your bible, visit it for more elaboration.