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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:13am On Jun 26
That was a great finish by Skhiri as he finds the back of his own net.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:30pm On Jun 22
darkelf:
Nigeria may not be able to best this cape Verde team
It is a good thing that you used may not be able.

They were underrated to begin with and may not have been properly analysed, perhaps due to the limited coverage of their football.
Their opening two matches are revealing a distinct tactical approach and cracks in player technique.
We have seen them against big teams, but not against a known weaker side.

A good coach with a team like the Super Eagles can beat them.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:14pm On Jun 21
I entered the discussion when AndSunGorilla said this:
AndSunGorilla:
With all due respect, none of them is like Mikel in any way sir.
I replied him with this:
Meliforme:
Mikel is not as creative as Iwobi.
Iwobi excels more in overall passing range (long balls, chip passes, and crosses of the ball)

Iwobi's tendencies to also roam the wings makes him even more active in build ups and feeding the forwards.
I refuted his conclusion that none of our midfielders is like Mikel in anyway
The emphasis is on "in anyway".
He is implying that Mikel Obi trumps all our current midfielders in every quality that defines a midfielder. This is not true.

But AndSunGorilla is actually right in some sense, let me explain.

Mikel is creative, but not as Iwobi.
Iwobi has an edge when it comes to passes of the ball.
Mikel is a good ball distributor, but Iwobi sees more of the ball (he roams about almost everywhere to receive and distribute passes) making him more of a distribution channel. Iwobi's quick decision making also makes him a more viable option especially in counter-attacking situation.

But when it comes to winning back possession through defensive duels, Mikel has an edge, making Mikel more complete as a midfielder.
This means that Mikel can distribute the ball through crisp passes, can win back possession of the ball and can create good chances. We do not have a midfielder that embodies all these qualities in the manner that Mikel does.
Wilfred Ndidi is better than Mikel at winning back possession and contributing to defense but does not possess the level of acuity that Mikel commands in creativity and passess of the ball.

AndSunGorilla is right in the sense that we do not have a midfielder as complete as Mikel.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:43pm On Jun 21
Napoleon55:
You don start again,
If Iwobi is better than Mikel in these you mentioned, what have been preventing the super eagles all along from achieving success?
Iwobi, alone cannot do all the work.
Football is a team sport.

The team manager is responsible for assembling the right blend of tools and fostering the understanding and cohesion needed.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:32am On Jun 21
AndSunGorilla:
With all due respect, none of them is like Mikel in any way sir.
Mikel is not as creative as Iwobi.
Iwobi excels more in overall passing range (long balls, chip passes, and crosses of the ball)

Iwobi's tendencies to also roam the wings makes him even more active in build ups and feeding the forwards.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:00pm On Jun 20
darkelf:
VERY BIG LIE
The debate is not even between Sunday Oliseh and the first two names (Kelechi Nwakali and Tom Dele-Bashiru), but between Sunday Oliseh and the rest of the names.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 6:17pm On Jun 20
darkelf:
Okocha may not have started but if memory serves me well, they had Oliseh

Oliseh is known for accurate long passes. We don't have any DM of that calibre today

We just don't have such players right now and their Ebenezer Akinsanmiro na carpenter
Of long passes:

Kelechi Nwakali.
Tom Dele-Bashiru.
Onuche Ogbelu.
Rilwan Popoola.
Raphael Onyedika.

Other notable mentions:

Alex Iwobi.
Chidera Ejuke (4th best winger in accurate long passes of the ball per 90 in La Liga according to Fotmob)
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:14pm On Jun 19
M7even:
When you make statements like this , pls try to give us instances that validates your opinions.
What type of instances do you want me to give?
I will gladly give them.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 3:13pm On Jun 19
Napoleon55:
You like to joke a lot.

You have the assortment abi assorted meat of players to beat any team in the world but you failed to beat SA or Ghana for over 360 minutes of football to qualify for WC back to back.

Nigeria need to learn how to humble themselves and accept their failures so that we can be champions again.

We have lost to Portugal fair and square two times now but you still think you are better than them, stop all these your jokes abeg.
Good coaching has for the most parts been a problem for the Super Eagles. That is the reason why a lot of us celebrate Eric Chelle whose modern approach is a step ahead of what we are used to in the Super Eagles.

Eric Chelle has a lot to learn, because from what i have seen so far in the matches that he has overseen we may not get the best of the quality we own. I say this from a technical and tactical standpoint as a very sound analyst.

Aside techniques and tactics, Eric Chelle's player management especially during matches is mediocre. He overworks some players without an indepth study of these players in order to clearly understand what these players can take at the time. A lot of factors can affect a player's stamina,

if Eric Chelle does not improve and we cannot afford a more sound coach then just like what you are trying to imply we should not expect much from the Super Eagles.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:03pm On Jun 18
Kog45:
Oga Meli,the match was a friendly match but big question in a competitive match can you stake it that Nigeria will beat Portugal.
Meliforme:
Anything can happen in football.
With good coaching we can beat Portugal.

Portugal has more talents than us, but we have the assortment of players that can beat Portugal.
Ndidi was excellent in duels and ball recoveries, he outperformed all the midfielders in those metrics save Frank Onyeka who had more ball recoveries.

Wilfred Ndidi, Frank Onyeka, Tochukwu Nnadi are rock solid midfielders. The lapses we saw in the midfield against Portugal was down to Eric Chelle for fielding FDB and Alex Iwobi at the same time, their deficits in defensive duels has always been there, a situation that i pointed out in the last AFCON. Contrast FDB and Bruno Fernandes in how they fared in duels, FDB lost all, Fernandes lost only one.

Eric Chelle has his positives, especially in the manner he has improved our passes and composition of play, but he is yet to possess that cutting edge that can give us the foremost advantage to victorious situations.
We have the assortment of players that can beat any team in the world.
What we need is the right combination of techniques, tactics, and mentality.

When I talk about the right combination of techniques, I mean the right mix of players with the needed skills that we can utilise to explore their weaknesses.

You see that Portugal team, we can beat them.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
Amovingman:
England vs Croatia

1st half under 0.5
1st half card under 0.5

Stake high guy's
Gambling is evil.
The owners of this platform forbids it, yet your unscrupulous self will not respect another man's property.
You are wicked.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 7:22am On Jun 17
mank1234:
We are saying the same thing.
The emoji is my way of saying that's all he has to show
Dribbling is an important skill in football, but that is not all that he has to show.
What makes a player outstanding is what he does better than the rest.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:23pm On Jun 16
Amedino99:
Chidera high on the list of productive dribbles e.g. successful dribbles where the ensuing action was a shot, chance created, progressive pass, or progressive carry...dribbles that actually led to something.
If only he can demand for his rightful place in world football.
It is not only about the talent or skills, it is even more about mentality. It is about the demand for it.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:14am On Jun 16
The only Sevilla player to have possession won midfield per 90 more than Chidera Ejuke is Isaac Romero.
Chidera Ejuke will help you win possession and maintain stability and dominance.
He is not that easy to dispossess.

Only the Sevilla goalkeeper has made recoveries of the ball per 90 more than Chidera Ejuke in the entire Sevilla team.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:43am On Jun 16
mank1234:
He's better than Yamal at displacing players grin

SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:37pm On Jun 15
yinkeys:
ejuke lost his pace
doesnt track back
I feel for him.
His time will come.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:26pm On Jun 15
Odunayaw:
Ejuke no sell again cheesy
Chidera Ejuke still remains the most technical Super Eagles player.
PSG vs Arsenal UCL clash, i saw PSG players failing to pull dribbling maneuvres that Chidera Ejuke would normally perform.

His time will come.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:34pm On Jun 15
TheSuperNerd:



"Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs"

Proof. Just one of several examples. Not mere yappings like you are dropping as epistles.
Maduka Okoye's long kicks can cover even greater distances.

You cannot compare throws of the ball with kicks of the ball. The mechanical power generated by the human leg is more immense compared to the human arm.

I can't even believe that you are refuting this. It is unbelievable.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:12pm On Jun 15
TheSuperNerd:
What Nwabali does with his arms for distribution is factual. I did not make that statement to spite Okoye. It is just facts. Anyone who truly watched the last two Afcons or any of Nwabali's other competitive games will know it is. Comments have also been made on this thread praising Nwabali's distributionw via his big arm throws.

Finally, there is nothing to admire in epistles meant to elevate Okoye as some god between the sticks. He is not better than what Nwabali has shown in the GWG. Maybe someday, he will get there but for now, Nwabali trumps Okoye in several aspects already mentioned. So again, rest the need to pamper Okoye. He needs improvements big time.
You still have the mind to insist that "Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs"

There is no further need to engage you. It is a waste of time.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:12pm On Jun 15
TheSuperNerd:
What Nwabali does with his arms for distribution is factual. I did not make that statement to spite Okoye. It is just facts. Anyone who truly watched the last two Afcons or any of Nwabali's other competitive games will know it is. Comments have also been made on this thread praising Nwabali's distributionw via his big arm throws.

Finally, there is nothing to admire in epistles meant to elevate Okoye as some god between the sticks. He is not better than what Nwabali has shown in the GWG. Maybe someday, he will get there but for now, Nwabali trumps Okoye in several aspects already mentioned. So again, rest the need to pamper Okoye. He needs improvements big time.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:22pm On Jun 15
MetalJigsaw:
One key thing Okoye badly lacks his organization and communication with his defense.
This is not true.
Every professional goalkeeper organises his defense and communicates with them.

Some goalkeepers are more vocal than the others and Maduka Okoye is even among the vocal ones.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:16pm On Jun 15
Kog45:
Oga Meli,Nwabali is better than Okoye,i just hope he sort his club situation out or else Okoye is number one but talking goalkepping Nwabali is better than Okoye
Both goalkeepers are somehow built differently and the situations they can handle well are quite unique, but to me Okoye edges in the overall, and his approaches to goalkeeping are more modern.

Anyways, you are free to have your preference.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:57pm On Jun 15
How many of us noticed our deployment of the "offside trap" in the matches against Poland and Portugal. This is a pure revelation of Maduka Okoye advanced goalkeeping skills..
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:51pm On Jun 15
TheSuperNerd:
This epistle is just more prolonged jargons/forced perpectives to hide facts (one of which you emboldened) that have been proven overtime that makes Nwabali the better and more assured GK for now over Maduka Okoye. With Nwabali, we have recorded more cleansheets than we have with Okoye in Goal and this is due in part to the presence and command Nwabali brings to that backline.

Let Okoye improve on his box presence, box command, defence organisational communication, positioning, reaction time and anticipation. These are key areas and more Nwabali holds the edge over Okoye. Finito.

Enough of the Okoye-pampering. With Enyeama, Ezenwa, Uzoho, Akpeyi, Ikeme and Nwabali... we did not have prolonged discourses on saveable and non-saveable shots. But with Okoye, it has become a thing and it is disgusting. How do we improve when we keep making funny excuses for a GK who should be doing better especially since he plays in a Top 5 league? Please enough.
You could have stylishly ignored this statement of yours "Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs", but you decided to defend it head on believing that such a front will conceal the error contained in your statement.

The tactical insights contained in my profiling of Maduka Okoye's and Stanley Nwabali's goalkeeping is something that should stir admiration, but no. They weren't actually written for you anyway, they were written for the people who are more poised to see the quality within our grasp.

When it comes to defense organisation, both goalkeepers are vocal, with Maduka being more calm in his approaches.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:22am On Jun 15
TheSuperNerd:
Same way Nwabali gets his which is also undeserved. My critique of Okoye is valid and not agenda driven.

Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs. It is not a highly debatable discourse. Nwabali is the better GK right now. His positioning, reaction time and anticipation is better than Okoye's and that is why he is hardly beaten by outside-the-box strikes. His positioning makes several of those seem non-threatening.

Okoye has more to improve on compared to Nwabali. Box presence... 18 yard box Command and defensive organisation, Nwabali owns these so comfortably pls. It is no debate.
Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs
You are implying that Nwabali's throws of the ball travels more distance than Maduka Okoye's long passes or long punts. This is clearly a situation where feelings becloud reality. A kicked ball will always travel significantly farther due to the immense mechanical power generated by the human leg compared to the human arm.

Whenever i talk about Maduka Okoye's ball distribution (being good with the ball at his feet) I mean passes of the ball in his own half (initial play build up from the back which involves sequence of passes in order to retain possession and or to progress play) and passes of the ball into the opposition's half which will in most cases involve long punts of the ball. In these instances the involvement of the goalkeeper's throw of the ball is either non-existent or minimal.

A goalkeeper's positioning is dependent on the defensive structure of the team and how they map their defence strategy. A goalkeeper positions differently when the team is maintaining a low block versus when they intend to keep a high line. Maduka Okoye is more like a sweeper-keeper built for teams that maintain a high block, while Nwabali is suited for teams that like to keep a low block. Again a keeper's positioning is also dependent on how he organises his defence. Before a keeper is deemed wrongly positioned a look should be taken at his defenders and the lanes the defenders are covering or have covered. Maduka Okoye's clean sheets and saves, reveals a goalkeeper excellent at positioning. He organises his defense such that saves of the ball becomes quite easy for him.

When it comes to defensive organisation (box presence, command of the 18 yard box) both goalkeepers are vocal. Each built to manage different scenarios.
Stanley Nwabali's aggressive and more authoritative approach is excellent at handling chaotic situations like when the defence is under siege and heavy attack, he stamps his authority and manages his CB's well.
Maduka Okoye is excellent at managing more tactical situations like creating offside traps, organising his defense to smother counter attacks even before they start. Maduka Okoye's organisation is more preventative. The number of saves and clean sheets he has recorded club wise is a testament of his preventative approach to defence organisation. He is more calmer, yet very effective in the kind of situations he handles.

Nwabali's Jam body goalkeeping will often get him penalised in top European leagues were minimal body contact is encouraged. He needs to work seriously on his ball distribution, especially long balls to his players in the opposition's space to be truly considered elite.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:04am On Jun 15
TheSuperNerd:
Okoye should improve pls. Making all these excuses for Okoye wont make him get better or assured in the Super Eagles shirt. Finito.
Okoye is not beyond improvement. I have in the past pointed out areas where he needs to improve.
What i am against is a player getting a backlash that is underserved.

Whoever is better at goalkeeping between Maduka Okoye and Stanley Nwabali is highly debatable because the two goalkeepers are very good.
However what Maduka Okoye does with the ball at his feet is what makes me prefer him the more, this is an area where he beats Nwabali by a very good margin.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:15pm On Jun 14
TheSuperNerd:
Wrong. Positioning is irrelevant if the deflection is as heavy as seen from Curacao off Kimmich today.

You are not blaming Neuer yet pushing the positioning narratìve in the presence of a deflection. For Okoye, there were no deflections.
Just review the goal incident and take notice of Neuer's positioning.
Yes, the dynamics that played out rendered positioning somehow irrelevant. If Neuer's positioning was irrelevant, so is Okoye's positioning, deflection or no deflection. Okoye conceded world class goals.

If we are to bring positioning to the reckoning table, Manuel Neuer becomes more blameworthy.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:48pm On Jun 14
TheSuperNerd:
Some. But not me. And with clear evidence, it wont even be a huge debate. The ball was heavily deflected off Kimmich.

This same "some will do or say this or that" applies to other GKs as well.

This one today has no correlation at all to what Okoye has been rightly criticized for in goal for the Super Eagles.
Poor positioning was part of the criticisms Okoye got.
The same will be said of Manuel Neuer regarding the goal he conceded, if he got his positioning right, the deflection will be inconsequential.

Please bear in mind that l am in no way putting all the blame on Neuer for the goal the Germans conceded because of the dynamics that clearly played out.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 7:02pm On Jun 14
TheSuperNerd:
The ball that beat Neuer was clearly deflected. Not the same thing.
Even at that, it will be it for him.
Some will not even consider that there was a deflection.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
If it was Maduka Okoye that conceded the goal that Manuel Neuer could not stop.
The degree of persecution he will get.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:47pm On Jun 14
oloriooko:
Easily and profoundly
You shouldn't have used the word "profoundly", because your take is not profound.
You underrate the Super Eagles.

If not for our lack of quality coaches.

When it comes to modern football, Eric Chelle is very well ahead of Rohr, Peseiro, Eguavoen, and Findi in the understanding of it.
I have seen Eric Chelle's philosophy and formations, he is very modern.
But his errors and lapses are also there for the noticing. He will improve if he wants to.

During the times Super Eagles struggled to string passes together, a whole lot was heaping blames on the players. The narratives purviewed by the sect blaming the players were difficult for me to accept because beside my understanding of some of these players is a knowing that the responsibility of getting the players to play well is completely down to the coach, if the players immediately available struggle to string passes together (maybe due to their technical ability), invite new ones.

Eric Chelle was handed the reins and he showed that the problem was not with the players. We are not short of talents in this nation. If you like believe that we do not have the talents, it will not change a glaring fact.

Again do not use our players club situations to judge their capacity. Many of these players are first of all dealt with psychologically before their physical input is affected, anyways, they also allowed themselves to be treated that way. Victor Osimhen and Ademola Lookman are players that refused to be let down, they are real fighters. Kelechi Iheanacho is a highly talented player (a world class potential, you can doubt it if you want, but it is a glaring fact) who chose to play second fiddle for a very long time. His club situation is not a true testament of his potential.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:46am On Jun 14
EElopa:
I was watching Bouaddi, and I was having a football orgasm. What a player. As mentioned before, to have an elite-level national team, you have to have technically ball-playing players in every position. The decline of the Super Eagles started when non-ball-playing players like Troost-Ekong, Omurue, Ajayi, Balogun, and Frank Onyeka started playing paramount roles in the Super Eagles.

I was watching the USA '94 Super Eagles games at the World Cup, and every single player on that team was so comfortable and technical on the ball. This is why I said the likes of Semi Ajayi and Sanusi need to be thanked and retired from the national team if we are really serious about competing with the big boys.

Morocco is a really good team, and they can really go far in this tournament. The people clamoring for all these junk NPFL players and non-technical ball-playing players don't really wish well for the Super Eagles to perhaps, in their lifetime, be in the semi-finals or finals of a World Cup.
I think there is a mix up in the players you listed above:
So please, explain what you meant by Non ball playing players?

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