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That was a great finish by Skhiri as he finds the back of his own net. |
darkelf:It is a good thing that you used may not be able. They were underrated to begin with and may not have been properly analysed, perhaps due to the limited coverage of their football. Their opening two matches are revealing a distinct tactical approach and cracks in player technique. We have seen them against big teams, but not against a known weaker side. A good coach with a team like the Super Eagles can beat them. |
I entered the discussion when AndSunGorilla said this: AndSunGorilla:I replied him with this: Meliforme:I refuted his conclusion that none of our midfielders is like Mikel in anyway The emphasis is on "in anyway". He is implying that Mikel Obi trumps all our current midfielders in every quality that defines a midfielder. This is not true. But AndSunGorilla is actually right in some sense, let me explain. Mikel is creative, but not as Iwobi. Iwobi has an edge when it comes to passes of the ball. Mikel is a good ball distributor, but Iwobi sees more of the ball (he roams about almost everywhere to receive and distribute passes) making him more of a distribution channel. Iwobi's quick decision making also makes him a more viable option especially in counter-attacking situation. But when it comes to winning back possession through defensive duels, Mikel has an edge, making Mikel more complete as a midfielder. This means that Mikel can distribute the ball through crisp passes, can win back possession of the ball and can create good chances. We do not have a midfielder that embodies all these qualities in the manner that Mikel does. Wilfred Ndidi is better than Mikel at winning back possession and contributing to defense but does not possess the level of acuity that Mikel commands in creativity and passess of the ball. AndSunGorilla is right in the sense that we do not have a midfielder as complete as Mikel. |
Napoleon55:Iwobi, alone cannot do all the work. Football is a team sport. The team manager is responsible for assembling the right blend of tools and fostering the understanding and cohesion needed. |
AndSunGorilla:Mikel is not as creative as Iwobi. Iwobi excels more in overall passing range (long balls, chip passes, and crosses of the ball) Iwobi's tendencies to also roam the wings makes him even more active in build ups and feeding the forwards. |
darkelf:The debate is not even between Sunday Oliseh and the first two names (Kelechi Nwakali and Tom Dele-Bashiru), but between Sunday Oliseh and the rest of the names. |
darkelf:Of long passes: Kelechi Nwakali. Tom Dele-Bashiru. Onuche Ogbelu. Rilwan Popoola. Raphael Onyedika. Other notable mentions: Alex Iwobi. Chidera Ejuke (4th best winger in accurate long passes of the ball per 90 in La Liga according to Fotmob) |
M7even:What type of instances do you want me to give? I will gladly give them. |
Napoleon55:Good coaching has for the most parts been a problem for the Super Eagles. That is the reason why a lot of us celebrate Eric Chelle whose modern approach is a step ahead of what we are used to in the Super Eagles. Eric Chelle has a lot to learn, because from what i have seen so far in the matches that he has overseen we may not get the best of the quality we own. I say this from a technical and tactical standpoint as a very sound analyst. Aside techniques and tactics, Eric Chelle's player management especially during matches is mediocre. He overworks some players without an indepth study of these players in order to clearly understand what these players can take at the time. A lot of factors can affect a player's stamina, if Eric Chelle does not improve and we cannot afford a more sound coach then just like what you are trying to imply we should not expect much from the Super Eagles. |
Kog45: Meliforme:We have the assortment of players that can beat any team in the world. What we need is the right combination of techniques, tactics, and mentality. When I talk about the right combination of techniques, I mean the right mix of players with the needed skills that we can utilise to explore their weaknesses. You see that Portugal team, we can beat them. |
Amovingman:Gambling is evil. The owners of this platform forbids it, yet your unscrupulous self will not respect another man's property. You are wicked. |
mank1234:Dribbling is an important skill in football, but that is not all that he has to show. What makes a player outstanding is what he does better than the rest. |
Amedino99:If only he can demand for his rightful place in world football. It is not only about the talent or skills, it is even more about mentality. It is about the demand for it. |
The only Sevilla player to have possession won midfield per 90 more than Chidera Ejuke is Isaac Romero. Chidera Ejuke will help you win possession and maintain stability and dominance. He is not that easy to dispossess. Only the Sevilla goalkeeper has made recoveries of the ball per 90 more than Chidera Ejuke in the entire Sevilla team. |
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yinkeys:I feel for him. His time will come. |
Odunayaw:Chidera Ejuke still remains the most technical Super Eagles player. PSG vs Arsenal UCL clash, i saw PSG players failing to pull dribbling maneuvres that Chidera Ejuke would normally perform. His time will come. |
TheSuperNerd:Maduka Okoye's long kicks can cover even greater distances. You cannot compare throws of the ball with kicks of the ball. The mechanical power generated by the human leg is more immense compared to the human arm. I can't even believe that you are refuting this. It is unbelievable. |
TheSuperNerd:You still have the mind to insist that "Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs" There is no further need to engage you. It is a waste of time. |
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MetalJigsaw:This is not true. Every professional goalkeeper organises his defense and communicates with them. Some goalkeepers are more vocal than the others and Maduka Okoye is even among the vocal ones. |
Kog45:Both goalkeepers are somehow built differently and the situations they can handle well are quite unique, but to me Okoye edges in the overall, and his approaches to goalkeeping are more modern. Anyways, you are free to have your preference. |
How many of us noticed our deployment of the "offside trap" in the matches against Poland and Portugal. This is a pure revelation of Maduka Okoye advanced goalkeeping skills.. |
TheSuperNerd:You could have stylishly ignored this statement of yours "Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs", but you decided to defend it head on believing that such a front will conceal the error contained in your statement. The tactical insights contained in my profiling of Maduka Okoye's and Stanley Nwabali's goalkeeping is something that should stir admiration, but no. They weren't actually written for you anyway, they were written for the people who are more poised to see the quality within our grasp. When it comes to defense organisation, both goalkeepers are vocal, with Maduka being more calm in his approaches. |
TheSuperNerd:Nwabali has his big arms that covers more distance with his throws than what Okoye delivers with his legs You are implying that Nwabali's throws of the ball travels more distance than Maduka Okoye's long passes or long punts. This is clearly a situation where feelings becloud reality. A kicked ball will always travel significantly farther due to the immense mechanical power generated by the human leg compared to the human arm. Whenever i talk about Maduka Okoye's ball distribution (being good with the ball at his feet) I mean passes of the ball in his own half (initial play build up from the back which involves sequence of passes in order to retain possession and or to progress play) and passes of the ball into the opposition's half which will in most cases involve long punts of the ball. In these instances the involvement of the goalkeeper's throw of the ball is either non-existent or minimal. A goalkeeper's positioning is dependent on the defensive structure of the team and how they map their defence strategy. A goalkeeper positions differently when the team is maintaining a low block versus when they intend to keep a high line. Maduka Okoye is more like a sweeper-keeper built for teams that maintain a high block, while Nwabali is suited for teams that like to keep a low block. Again a keeper's positioning is also dependent on how he organises his defence. Before a keeper is deemed wrongly positioned a look should be taken at his defenders and the lanes the defenders are covering or have covered. Maduka Okoye's clean sheets and saves, reveals a goalkeeper excellent at positioning. He organises his defense such that saves of the ball becomes quite easy for him. When it comes to defensive organisation (box presence, command of the 18 yard box) both goalkeepers are vocal. Each built to manage different scenarios. Stanley Nwabali's aggressive and more authoritative approach is excellent at handling chaotic situations like when the defence is under siege and heavy attack, he stamps his authority and manages his CB's well. Maduka Okoye is excellent at managing more tactical situations like creating offside traps, organising his defense to smother counter attacks even before they start. Maduka Okoye's organisation is more preventative. The number of saves and clean sheets he has recorded club wise is a testament of his preventative approach to defence organisation. He is more calmer, yet very effective in the kind of situations he handles. Nwabali's Jam body goalkeeping will often get him penalised in top European leagues were minimal body contact is encouraged. He needs to work seriously on his ball distribution, especially long balls to his players in the opposition's space to be truly considered elite. |
TheSuperNerd:Okoye is not beyond improvement. I have in the past pointed out areas where he needs to improve. What i am against is a player getting a backlash that is underserved. Whoever is better at goalkeeping between Maduka Okoye and Stanley Nwabali is highly debatable because the two goalkeepers are very good. However what Maduka Okoye does with the ball at his feet is what makes me prefer him the more, this is an area where he beats Nwabali by a very good margin. |
TheSuperNerd:Just review the goal incident and take notice of Neuer's positioning. Yes, the dynamics that played out rendered positioning somehow irrelevant. If Neuer's positioning was irrelevant, so is Okoye's positioning, deflection or no deflection. Okoye conceded world class goals. If we are to bring positioning to the reckoning table, Manuel Neuer becomes more blameworthy. |
TheSuperNerd:Poor positioning was part of the criticisms Okoye got. The same will be said of Manuel Neuer regarding the goal he conceded, if he got his positioning right, the deflection will be inconsequential. Please bear in mind that l am in no way putting all the blame on Neuer for the goal the Germans conceded because of the dynamics that clearly played out. |
TheSuperNerd:Even at that, it will be it for him. Some will not even consider that there was a deflection. |
If it was Maduka Okoye that conceded the goal that Manuel Neuer could not stop. The degree of persecution he will get. |
oloriooko:You shouldn't have used the word "profoundly", because your take is not profound. You underrate the Super Eagles. If not for our lack of quality coaches. When it comes to modern football, Eric Chelle is very well ahead of Rohr, Peseiro, Eguavoen, and Findi in the understanding of it. I have seen Eric Chelle's philosophy and formations, he is very modern. But his errors and lapses are also there for the noticing. He will improve if he wants to. During the times Super Eagles struggled to string passes together, a whole lot was heaping blames on the players. The narratives purviewed by the sect blaming the players were difficult for me to accept because beside my understanding of some of these players is a knowing that the responsibility of getting the players to play well is completely down to the coach, if the players immediately available struggle to string passes together (maybe due to their technical ability), invite new ones. Eric Chelle was handed the reins and he showed that the problem was not with the players. We are not short of talents in this nation. If you like believe that we do not have the talents, it will not change a glaring fact. Again do not use our players club situations to judge their capacity. Many of these players are first of all dealt with psychologically before their physical input is affected, anyways, they also allowed themselves to be treated that way. Victor Osimhen and Ademola Lookman are players that refused to be let down, they are real fighters. Kelechi Iheanacho is a highly talented player (a world class potential, you can doubt it if you want, but it is a glaring fact) who chose to play second fiddle for a very long time. His club situation is not a true testament of his potential. |
EElopa:I think there is a mix up in the players you listed above: So please, explain what you meant by Non ball playing players? |

