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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:17pm On Aug 10
TheLoneCitizen:
Dessers topflight career so far:

82 starts
86 G+A = 64 goals + 22 assists


Are you ready, Italy?

This is massive.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:04pm On Aug 10
I was met with controversy when i listed Chidera Ejuke as one of the players with the best passing technique.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:56pm On Aug 10
Some of Chidera Ejuke's stats against Union Berlin.

100% pass accuracy.
100% Long ball accuracy (1/1).
4/5 ground duels won.
Wasn't dispossessed of the ball.

We are really blessed to have a skillful forward in Chidera Ejuke.
If we want to keep more possession of the ball in S.E, Chidera Ejuke should be in the conversation.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:55pm On Aug 08
Alfryd:


amen thanks sir

You are welcome.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 7:04am On Aug 08
Alfryd:
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I'm plus 1 today

wish me well

been part of this family forum is amazing
Happy to me

Happy birthday Alfryd, God's blessings abides with you richly.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:20pm On Aug 07
Truidstar:

All the coaches in all the clubs he played and worked with him day in day out also failed to see this abi? Your statement is just based on nostalgia and sentiments.

The emphasis is on his quality, not on the ability to work with his coaches. If you think the quality is not there, then you need to look again.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:14pm On Aug 07
JohnBullMySon:


Please never again should you keep Nwakali and Aribo in the same sentence. Nwakali's only talent is in creative passing. Other than that, he cannot play at a high level beacause he does not keep up with the pace. He is not just hadworking enough, gets lost on the pitch, loses his man, makes poor tackles.

If you think talent only is what is needed in the premier league then you're mistaken.

Very yes. Nwakali and Aribo shouldn't be in the same sentence as far as the midfield is concerned.

Aribo is the very definition of a player who doesn't keep up with the pace or flow of a game, sorry to say this, you honestly think that covering every blade of the grass on the pitch is being in sync with the game. And you talk of getting lost in games and Aribo is not on top of your list.

Place the same Aribo closer to the 18 yard and you will see a maestro. Aribo is direct, he is good with dribbles, he has eyes for final balls and has a good shooting technique. Quote me as i tell you that Aribo has the potential of becoming world class if deployed correctly.

Regarding Nwakali, i don't think his problems are what you just mentioned. Nwakali might be one of those lads whose brilliances are an obstacle to their progress. But we need his quality in Super Eagles. And i pray he matures faster to live up to expectations.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:37pm On Aug 06
I am the first person on this thread to point out Joe Aribo's deficiencies as a midfielder, we are now witnessing the change in roles at a more elite level. Even if his new coach decides to play him as a midfielder, it doesn't make him one. Aribo's major merit as a midfielder is his contributions to defense, but he can't even be classed as a destroyer and for obvious reasons.

In Super Eagles, as it stands, our best combination in midfield is what i term the W.I.N triumvirate. The acronym stands for Wilfred, Iwobi and Nwakali, with Ndidi deployed as a CDM, Iwobi and Nwakali as CM's. Iheanacho and Aribo can play behind Osimhen. I have done due diligence on the W.I.N trident and i can tell you that those three are the best we can combine for now, based on the unique strengths of each personnel, and the synergy their combo will provide. Ejuke and Sadiq Umar can also be deployed to play behind Osimhen.

Aribo will do well as a CF, SS and RW, time will prove me right.

Concerning Nwakali's rate of progress, i think his major setback might be related to attitude and deportment in character. Early successes can turn out to be a curse, as the wise King Solomon reveals in his book of proverbs.

It will please me to let you guys know that there is a great gap between talent and success. The most skilful may turn out to be the least successful. Some of you guys are just behaving like you don't know what i am saying, as if you don't witness this phenomena in the contemporary. There is more to success than just talent.

Kelechi Nwakali is a blessing. Dude is just good. How many, fail to see this leaves me in wonderment. I pray God helps that lad.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:27pm On Aug 05
Crystal Palace are under persecution.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:25pm On Aug 05
TheSuperNerd:
Expectedly. Scored the 3rd goal.

Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:04am On Aug 04
Danielnino00:
Continued

Thank you Danielnino for these stats, they reveal a lot.

Mikel has shown to be a bulwark in his role as a defensive midfielder, this is very commendable especially when we take into cognizance his evolvement into the role.

Wilfred Ndidi has been involved in 3619 in lesser minutes of play time and still has those records, judging from antecedents and in all optimism his stats as a defensive midfielder will ultimately dwarf Mikel's records. This is the spirit of progress, that the records set by successors will surpass the records of their predecessors. Ndidi's EPL stats is already doing that.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:57pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
The same Mikel who was back then seen as the end of all chances of equalising by opponents.

Almost everyone who saw Mourinho or any other manager bringing him on had a saying....

"It is all over. Mourinho is closing up shop..."


Here below is one of Chelsea's biggest fan accounts on Twitter testifying to the Mikel of that era as a DM. The same one Oliseh wants us to forget was brilliant as a DM.

Same tweet was corroborated by Ben Jacobs, one of the experts on Chelsea transfers and a Journo at CBS sports.

The tweet is dated June 5, 2022.


P.S:
Mind you, Mikel only came off the bench 66 times in his EPL career while starting 183 games. So he was no bench warmer too.

All these talk of Ndidi not making the leap to an elite club. Mikel not being a bench warmer at Chelsea are just hilarious. I have really had a good time laughing this night.

I think i am calling it quit on this discussion, because it is not getting us anywhere.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:28pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
Oga, cease repeating yourself like a robot and give me one game Ndidi's DM showing trumped the DM masterclass dropped in a UCL Final for 120mins vs Bayern by Mikel.

I have given you a few EPL seasons Mikel excelled in which you can always research yourself and still added that your reference to stats is a cheap plot to dodge the truth. Eyetest Supercedes stats. Stats are only a part of my argument while it is the entirety of yours.

Let me spell it out to you more...
NDIDI REMAINS INFERIOR TO MIKEL AS A MIDFIELDER BE IT AS A DM OR CM. Hard facts.

I cannot believe I would meet anyone else who sees sense in the nonsensical comments of Oliseh comparing Ndidi and Mikel as DMs.

Mikel as a DM started several Major finals and won. Played full EPL seasons under different managers and even emerged League Champion as a key part of a Chelsea side coached by arguably the most successful coach in Europe across the top 5 leagues and in an era (2009/10) where stats emphasis on defensive actions weren't even so strong and pronounced as they are today.

Ndidi has been at Leicester since 2017 and somehow we don't know if he would ever make the jump to an Elite side. His ball playing still remains an issue and since he hit an improved mark in 20/21, he hasn't shown he can surpass that even in the NT.


Rest!



Why do you always refer to the UCL, while the EPL is a more level ground for comparison?

It is a more level ground because they get to play the same number of games and against the same quality of opposition.

Why always point to that particular game against Bayern? You keep referring to that game as though that is the only game Mikel has played.

Bring up Mikel's best stats in the EPL as a DM. Eye test is subjective, while stats are objective.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:48pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
He did feature in the UCL in his first season with Leicester. Have you forgotten so soon?

And I already told you I won't allow stats alone dictate this discussion. You have eyes and clearly didn't watch Mikel as DM so you shouldn't be having this convo.

Less fancied teams? So Valencia, Sevilla, Barca and Bayern are less fancied teams?? Your Ndidi bias has clearly made you amnesiac.

Look, your case for Ndidi is not cogent enough to hold against the class act that Mikel was both as a DM and a CM. So rest it.

A DM not highly comfortable with the ball at his feet and can't dictate the flow of a game but is defensively solid vs A DM who is highly comfortable with the ball at his feet, can dictate the flow of a game and is also defensively solid.

The better option is clear. Finito.


Meanwhile..... you are still dodging the so called Important tackle you say Ndidi makes.

What say you about the one he made vs Algeria so carelessly which led to our ouster?

What say you about the cluelessness of a midfield led by Ndidi at the last Afcon vs Tunisia? Please answer.


Bring up Mikel's best stats as a DM in the EPL.
There is a reason why i am avoiding the rest of the things you are saying. I want us to remain on the main course which is: who is better as a DM between Ndidi and Mikel.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:23pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
Yes. Stats from his UCL 2011/2012 season. But this is not going to be just limited to stats. I refuse it coz I also have the biggest and best assessment/comparison method of them all and it is called Eye-Test.

Mikel was simply more majestic and assuring as a DM. There is a reason he was Makalele's heir and played in several Major finals for Chelsea as DM and won.

So don't you limit and reduce this discussion to "stats" alone. because stats will also show that KDB outshone Zidane as a Playmaker and CAM in terms of Goals and Assists when infact we all know Zidane is the better player overall.


Show me Mikel's best season as a DM in the EPL.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:19pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
His time at Chelsea is lost on you abi. Please what role did Mikel play at Chelsea?

His DM showings in the 2011/2012 UCL season also is a joke to you abi? That season alone trumps Ndidi's finest DM season so far which is 20/21 season.

Should I also move to NT performances with Ndidi as a CDM and Mikel as a DLP (Regista)?

Meli.... in no conversation will Ndidi come out tops over Mikel either as a DM or a CM. That is the honest truth and I am one of Ndidi's biggest Hypemen anywhere on social media.


Ndidi at the EPL is yet to feature in any UCL. Let us compare their EPL stats. UCL might feature clubs from less fancied leagues.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:57pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
Yes, and Ndidi is still not above Mikel. EOD.


Do you have stats to backup your claims.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:53pm On Aug 01
BannedLarge:


And you think it is easy to have player consistently at one of the best ever clubs competing for the most important trophies for 10 years. Don’t you ever in your life insult MIKEL OBI. As good as Oliseh was, he only played for juventus for one season and was shipped out. (Oliseh didn’t had a better career than Mikel obi)

Please show me a clause in any of my statements that insulted Mikel.
Instead of you to show me how Mikel was better as a DM, you are busy trying to steer away from the main thing. Soon the discussion will be whether i insulted Mikel or not.
Again, We are not comparing Oliseh and Mikel, this is another angle the discussion might veer into, but i refuse.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:33pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
Oliseh did just that. So take it up with him however unfair or fair it sounds.

Ofcos I know about each players' evolution and growth into the role but don't miss the point.

And Ndidi doesnt trump Mikel VERY WELL in the defensive aspects of the DM role. We are talking a Mikel who dropped a DM Masterclass vs Bayern in a UCL Final and did so against Barca in the Semis leading up to that final.

That Oliseh taught it wise to even consider Ndidi over Mikel is the reason for my breakdown of why they shouldn't be in the same convo. And yes, both are synonymous with the DM roles too.


And did you just say Ndidi commits important fouls?? What would you call that foul vs Algeria at Afcon 2019 that knocked us out of the competition?? What would you call that please? Important?? Ndidi in Nigeria's colors have made some silly fouls that many times would have caused us harm. The Algeria game was just the moment it really came back to bite us.


Honestly your take is ridiculous here. I only gave you a mention as regards Ndidi-Aribo and the need for ball playing midfielders like Nwakali. Maybe you could have addressed that instead of coming here to talk down Mikel because of some soft spot for Ndidi as if I don't love Ndidi too.


We are talking specifically about the job of a DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER not of an OFFENSIVE MIDFIELDER nor of a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:14pm On Aug 01
BannedLarge:


My friend, respect yourself. Mikel was playing champions league semi final at 22 tell Ndidi to sign for a big club before we even have this conversation

We are talking player abilities particular for a role, not club and competition the player features in.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:15pm On Aug 01
TheSuperNerd:
Sunday Oliseh was being highly hypocritical and I addressed this strongly on twitter the day his silly comments surfaced. My post was well received by most.



Comparing Ndidi to Mikel is unfair as both took different paths in their evolvement into the DM role.

When the emphasis is on the most salient requirement of a DM, Ndidi trumps Mikel and very well. Ndidi is not just good in shielding the defense as seen in the vital blocks and clearances he makes, he is also good in making recoveries of the ball through duels and interceptions. He reads his opponents well, breaking up the opposition's plays, committing important fouls.

For a team that enjoys a lot of ball possession, the coach might need to work a bit harder to compensate for Ndidi's limited ball playing abilities. However Ndidi can be a life saver to any team.

Mikel is more versatile a midfielder, and i think more sleek, but we are talking about the role of a DM. In all honesty the comparison is something i will not like to make, because if Mikel had decided to work more on his strengths rather than wanting to get play time in a big club, He could have achieved more, and nobody will be comparing him to a DM.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:21am On Jul 09
ChrisKels:


Good but is this boy good enough for the EPL? That is the question on everyone's lips. Does he have the sinequanon to thrive and make his mark, or is he going there to warm the bench instead of remaining in the SPL or going to Turkey or Belgium where his abilities could get him playing opportunities?

#OBIdiently-YUSful

Aribo is touted for his versatility, i believe that is the most salient reason for the move.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:41pm On Jun 26
drDoom3:


So who ahead of him? Ekong? Shehu? Inconsistent wingers Chuks and Simon? Bonke? Etebo? Zaidu?

Aribo is in our top 5 players, no cap.

Aribo shouldn't be in our starting eleven.
Tell me one exceptional thing that Aribo brings.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:37pm On Jun 26
drDoom3:


Aribo has consistently remained one of our best players. I don't know the football you are watching.

He has not been very flashy recently (as Iwobi has been for instance), but he has been precise and kept things compact in his play.

What do you mean by Iwobi being flashy?
Please explain.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:24pm On Jun 18
Subzero047:


Aribo played in that game because Rangers had no available striker not because he plays better as a striker, you guys don't get that

And that was a revelation.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 7:10am On Jun 18
Why don't we pair Osimhen with Aribo. Aribo's game against Eintracht Frankfurt revealed a lot about what he can do as a striker.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 7:04am On Jun 18
IDENNAA:


Idennaa says hello. How dare you say rubbish about the greatest midfielder in the whole of Europe...
Lmao.

Abeg , for the sake of my sanity I stopped watching SE games. Una get liver ooo

You should have seen the last game against Sao tome and Principe, that saw Aribo without action at least in the middle of the pack.

I have complained many times about Aribo in midfield, the game against Tunisia exposed him well.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:08pm On Jun 17
AndSunGorilla:

I wan talk ome bad tin, is it possible that if Ekong play dat match we fit ni score reach 10 goals. The reason is cos of all the wasted long passes he usually makes leading to turnovers.

You should be talking about Aribo, not Ekong.

If the coach again decides another bench role for Aribo, you guys will clearly see what i have since been saying about Aribo giving us only tackles in midfield, with little or nothing in game reading and control.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:08am On Jun 14
JohnBullMySon:
You're mistaking creativity and skill. Skill is not creativity that's why we see people here calling Ejuke our most creative player when he's only skillful at best.

Chukwueze is more skillful but Lookman is more creative and a better overall player. Lookman had more numbers this season. 8 gaols 5 assists while Chukwueze had 3goals 3 assists.

Lookman's pass success rate is 80% while Chukwueze's is 75% so I don't know why you're calling Chukwueze a better passer. I see Chukwueze as lethal only when you're looking to hit a team on the counter. He's skillful and has a good left leg to put the ball in the right spot. However, making him a starter when you have Lookman on the bench is a no no.

Let me make some things clearer
I am not mistaking creativity for skills, i know the difference. In football, creativity is the ability to fashion out goalscoring opportunities. Creativity has more to do with decision making, it borders more on the mental.

Technique simply refers to the know-how to do a thing. For you to know how, you must possess first of all the required skills. Skills make up a technique.
In footballing, there are techniques required to prosecute the activity, we have passing technique, dribbling technique, shooting technique, even tackling technique (stand tackle skill and slide tackle skill make up the tackling technique).

Now to Chukwueze and Lookman..
I said Chukwueze bags more passing technique. in the technique of making passes of the ball, we have the skill of making short passes, long passes, chipped passes and crossing.
The combination of the different passing skills, their accuracy, and the number of each of the passing skills completed per game are used to calculate passing technique. Of those, the accuracy of passes made holds the greatest weight.
JohnBullMySon, you accounted only for the accuracy of short passes each player made, you did not account for long passes, chipped passes and crossing accuracy.

Passing stats per game for Chukwueze.
Short passes: 12.3 (75%).
Long passes: 0.4 (50%).
Chipped passes: 0.6 (44%).
Crosses: 0.1 (13%)

Passing stats per game for Lookman.
Short passes: 19.8 (79.7% approx 80%).
Long passes: 0.2 (19%)
Chipped passes: 0.1 (18%)
crosses: 0.1 (11%)

From the above stats you can deduce that Chukwueze has more in passing technique than Lookman.

Lookman scored a total of 8 goals and made 5 assists in all competition. Chukwueze scored a total of 8 goals and not 3 goals, and made a total of 3 assists in all competition.

Again, in football, creativity is not determined by just the number of assists, because a player can be surrounded by wasteful forwards, forwards who flunk chances, rather the creativity of a player is determined by the number key passes the player averages per game. A key pass is a pass that results to a goal scoring opportunity.
Chukwueze's key passes averages 1.1 per game.
Lookman's key passes averages 0.9 per game.
So it should be clear on who is more creative.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:26pm On Jun 13
The win against Sao tome and principe wasn't a coincidence, it was a tactical maneuvre.

We wouldn't have won at least by this large margin, if our build up was fast paced for the following reasons:

1. Those guys are faster.

2. They maintained a low block. When playing a team that maintains a low block, you need time to break them down, to identify spaces and weak spots, and then take advantage of those. If you notice we scored more goals in the second half, the goal fest would have continued if the play was allowed to extend through the added minutes.

3. We needed to maintain possession. To break them down we needed to know how they defend, we can only study them that way if we maintain the bulk of possession. Notice that we didn't allow them to keep possession. We pressed them to either cede possession or commit errors.

4. Our slow bulldup enabled us to take calculated risks. Notice that we didn't try so many dribbling maneuvres, but attempted more passes of the ball. Teams that maintain a low block will hope to hit on the counter, once they get the ball during the opposition's attacking forays.

Etebo and iwobi should be commended for the beautiful roles the played in the win.

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Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:10pm On Jun 13
This is just another case of bullying.
Sports / Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:09pm On Jun 13
JohnBullMySon:
Chukwueze is only better than Lookman in two places. Skill and shot technique. Lookman has a more powerful shot, better passing ability and a better player when all metrics are considered.

Chukwueze is more creative, more adventurous and bags more passing technique.

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