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Jodera:
Good

K

Jodera:
still same thing. Just enlighten lost my zeal what you've learnt. I know you've learnt something new

Kk

Jodera:
Good. Thank goodness you've seen the reason.

You can pass the enlightenment to the guy who lost his zeal

Sorry you have typed nothing reasonable but like I said ok.

Jodera:
so you didn't see the

...cos he doesn't have an Intl trophy

As a fallacy in that sentence?

How will something be a fallacy and you're still telling me to prove saying it's not.


I just showed you saying it's a fallacy by saying this

You Don't Need To Win Any Trophy For Your Country For You To Be A Legend , while giving you sufficient examples to prove the point, yet you said it's not it.

So since you said it's not it, the onus is on you to prove to me why my answer is wrong, but what did you do? You still went ahead bringing up the fallacious points I countered by asking me irrelevant questions. And you think I'll be dumb enough to answer those questions? Lol, It doesn't work that way.

Prove to me that my answer is wrong and stop asking me irrelevant questions. If you cannot then die the matter. Simple!

Kk

Jodera:
You're also asking me irrelevant questions too.
Learn to ask me relevant questions and I'll answer you

What irrelevant question have I asked you that's not centred on this? You said Messi is not Argentine flop despite having 0 trophies and I challenged you on that as seen below

Jodera:
Messi is an Argentine flop cos he doesn't have any Intl trophy..

and so on and so forth.



To me, it's all just agenda-driven

Jodera:
Like Madonna says "you only see what your eyes want to see"

If you can't name other legends aside maradona, then you don't have a case or a base for your argument.

Is the discussion about naming other Argentina legends or about Messi being a failure and a flop with Argentina?

That's what I am talking about, premium whataboutism mixed with asking irrelevant questions not related to a discussion.

Jodera:
I've answered it, if you didn't see it nor understand it, it's not my fault.

You can cherry pick all you like, that's your business.
You just want to hold all the aces in this conversation, but that won't fly. For example, you brought aguero in our discourse even wen nothing concern aguero, but I can't bring an example.

But like I said, I've answered your question, if you want me to answer more for you to be satisfied, then answer mine I asked you too, if you can't, then let's leave it.
Like I said before I come debate with you I no come do interview. If we can't answer each other questions then no need discussing further

You answered nothing. You brought in premium Shalaye about not winning trophies and other bla bla bla in a bid to save Messi face that during his era Argentina won absolute nothing. He couldn't deliver any single major trophy. let's just end the discussion here.

Spy360:
OK sir. But...

Maradona's set standard for legendary status is at the very cream of it. That standard should not apply. Messi does not need to beat Maradona's record to have legendary status. If not, then I am right to mention Kanu as a similitude of Messi.

Once again I didn't even mention Maradonna in the post you quoted so I don't understand. How is Messi not an Argentine flop and a failure? Help your fellow arsenal fan jo.dera out.

Jodera:
na you dey dwell on balon dor and treble not me. I've given you facts before and I still have more but I will just pause it for now.

Since, you no fit answer my question then the agenda no fit fly for here.

What facts have you given? You haven't answered how Messi is not an Argentine flop with anything.

Spy360:
So we can say Kanu Nwankwo is not a legend for Nigeria and a failure and flop?

Did you see kanu in my post? No you didn't so don't mention kanu anywhere near it. Thank you

LostMyZeal:
What they don't get is this

How has his performance for Barca benefitted Argentina NT

Or his fraudulently acquired Ballon' d or

It even gets annoying for the Argentina NT fans
Cos you'd think with the way Messi is doing magic at Barca, he'd replicate such feat with his NT

But for where!!

Play so well for Barca and miss important penalties for your NT

Then how does such a person deserve to be called Legend for Argentina ffs

That hypocrite is only a Barca and Unicef Legend

Messi has only 4 goals in 21knockout matches for Argentina, 0 trophies for Argentina, went back to back tournaments for Argentina without scoring a single goal and in 4 finals for Argentina he has 0 goal and 0 assist. That's the definition of an Argentine failure and flop.

Jodera:
Lol... You no get answer. That's the only thing so swerving proves. So just chill and look for another place to bring this your agenda. Cos e no fit work here

Sorry am not among those you can manipulate and shift from an initial discussion with whataboutism so your question is meaningless. How is Messi an Argentine legend you were telling is he won Balon dor and treble with Barcelona.

Jodera:
you still never name me 5 legends aside maradona

Not interested in playing your game of whataboutism.

LostMyZeal:
This right here is what they have deliberately refused to understand

Especially number 3

LM10 can have all the goals and assists in the world coupled with fraudulent political Ballon'd crap honours

But how has any of these helped Argentina get a trophy

He himself bottled a chance at getting a trophy during COPA America

Legend my Fooooot!

~spits inside his fake dimples~

Jodera will tell you Messi is not an Argentine flop because he won the Treble with Barcelona. Ask him how Messi is an Argentine legend he will tell you because he won the Balon dor for winning the Champions league with Barca. It was laughable.

TLona1:
[s] World Cup MVP
Copa America MVP (2×)
Olympics 2008 MVP + winner
U-17 World Cup MVP + Winner
Most goals for Argentina
Most assists for Argentina
World Cup and Copa America runner up.

Even your Ronaldo hasn't been the best player in any international tournament.

He's also had 0 goals and assists in finals. [/s]

We are talking of Messi being an Argentine flop and a disgrace here nothing else. Tell us why your fraud called Messi has only 4 goals in 21knockout matches for Argentina, 0 trophies for Argentina, went back to back tournaments for Argentina without scoring a single goal and in 4 finals for Argentina he has 0 goals and 0 assists. That's the definition of an international failure.

TLona1:
World Cup MVP
Copa America MVP (2×)
Olympics 2008 MVP + winner
U-17 World Cup MVP + Winner
Most goals for Argentina
Most assists for Argentina
World Cup and Copa America runner up.


This isn't bad achievement.

What major trophy has he won?


4 Finals 0 goal, 0 assist .

You greatest player has failed when it mattered most for Argentina in every major competition. A Fraud and a flop.

TLona1:
It has been good but winning a trophy will be an icing on the cake.

Good how? What major trophy has he won?

TLona1:
Ddiet come and read this BS!

Please don't call idiots into my mentions next time . Thank you

TLona1:
Is Messi the only legend not to win a trophy at international level?

Why don't you give the likes of Eusebio Cruyff, Ibrahimovic, Maldini, Drogba and co this same treatment? Why's it only Messi?

Not interested in unnecessary Shalayes.

Has Messi international career with Argentina been a success or a failure? It's a simple yes or no question.

Jodera:
I've answered that already.
I said he doesn't need to deliver trophies. Simple.

If your only criteria for recognizing country's legend is trophy then that's your opinion but that doesn't make it facts. Simple.


Why haven't you answered mine?

And I told you that's your opinion which is false. So if he doesn't deliver with a powerhouse like Argentina what makes Messi Argentina international career not a flop?

TLona1:
Melvyn has always been a Messi hater no I'm really not surprised at those his BS comments..

Am I the reason Messi has 0 major trophies for Argentina.

4 Finals 0 goal, 0 assist, 0 major trophy. Went back to back tournament with Argentina scoring 0 goal.

Messi era with Argentina has been a failure. He is an Argentine flop and a fraud.

Jodera:
All what you asked are irrelevant in classifying a player a legend. Simple

Ask me a right and relevant question(s) and I'll answer you.

You have been twisting up and down. Let's look at the initial premise.

This was me

Melvyn11:
So Messi is an Argentine what if not a flop!

Then you replied

Jodera:
....Legend after Maradona

Then I asked you

Melvyn11:
Argentina legend for delivering what for Argentina ?

You didn't answer then started twisting up and down bringing up Aubameyang and Salah. What makes Messi not an Argentine flop?

patrickmuf:
Read up my subsequent response to Doc...I never forgive Ronaldo for leaving us for Madrid who at the time were not better than us...

So because you never forgave Ronaldo that's why you ranked bums like Iniesta, Messi and De lima over him? That's laughable

Jodera:
that you don't need to win anything to be a legend

Drogba, Salah, Auba, Eusebio are example of country legends who never won anything for their country.
Why is it now Messi own that is questioned?

You keep making me repeat my self

1) What has Messi won for Argentina?........ 0 major trophy

2) During Messi era did Argentina win anything major.......No.

3) Was Messi era for Argentina a success or failure................ Jodera we waiting for your answer.

Jodera:
one thing is that you're carrying opinion as facts.
I just told you facts, yet you disagree with it saying it's not.
I gave you examples with salah, aubameyang, drogba as facts. You moonwalk pass those ones like Michael Jackson.

If I say list 5 Argentine legends now ranked above messi, aside maradona, you'll say I don dey twist.

You hate messi, fine. But no dey use you opinion deh counter facts, it doesn't work that way

What fact have you told me? Has the Messi era been a success for Argentina Yes of No?