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Workch:
Good, if the first organism or the first sets of organisms all went extinct without evolving into another types, what do you think would have happened?

What would have happened was that for other family of animals to be on earth, they would need to have appeared suddenly. That is exactly what the fossil records show. That families or kinds of animals appeared suddenly.

Workch:
Can you mention one animal today that was formed when earth was formed or few years after earth was formed and is still around today?

If you mention one, I will accept whatever you have to say about magical creations

I dont know exactly when animals was created on the earth. What I do know is that the fossil records show ancient animals that once lived at a particular time and that some were fully developed and even complex than some animals we have today. That oppose the evolution theory that living organisms has always evolved from simple cell to complex animals.

Workch:
Why did they go extinct?

Likely food chain or environmental factors. Just the same way we experiment some specie of animals go extinct today.

Workch:
can you show me any maicid today that is not a fossil?

I am curious

Miacids have simply gone extinct just like mammoths and dinosaurs.

Workch:
Yes, they share 99.9% DNA, and two discovered that Tigers appeared in the fossil record as about the same time when maicids where going extinct.

It can’t be a coincidence, it’s not magic

The fossil records do not prove what you are insinuating. There is no evidence to show that miacids biologically evolved to tigers.

Workch:
It claims so because it see the evidence in DNA.
It’s not a coincidence that we see more DNA disparities as we move from species, to genus, to order to class, to family to phylum and then kingdom.

As a matter of fact, we have also detected many similarities between even humans and bacteria in DNA, which is prove that they originated from a single organism. Some Genes in bacteria and humans are exact the same, what other explanation is more logical than evolution?

If the human dna and bacteria dna is the same, we would likewise have become microbes too. That is what science tells us. The information in our cell is different. And that is why we are different from bacterials

Workch:
Your evidence doesn’t factor in millions of years of speciation.

Show me an evidence that tigers cannot evolve into apes in another 70million years of constant speciations

The evidence is in their dna. Every living organism today has an information in their cells that makes them what they are including me and you. That information cannot be completely altered. That is what we know about science today.

Workch:
i don’t know how life started from a single cell.
Tigers evolved from Miacids

Is there any scientific proof to that. The last time I checked miacids were complete animals and no fossil shows how they gradually evolved to tigers.

Workch:
show me evidence that a tiger cannot become an ape since tigers never existed forever and obviously came from other animals.

Develop a scientific model that inhibits that

The evidence was explained in my passage above. It cannot be done even in a controlled experiment.

Workch:
show me evidence that a tiger cannot become an ape since tigers never existed forever and obviously came from other animals.

Develop a scientific model that inhibits that

Which animal did tiger come from? And how did it happen? Infact how did life start from just a single cell? How did the first cell start?

Workch:
Natural selection the the process by which the environment selects the best gene to survive that environment, which changes gene frequencies of a group of organisms.

Constant changing gene frequencies in a group of organisms over time will basically portray different phenotypic features up to the extent of speciation.

It’s not rocket science

I perfectly under you to this extent. But evolution is still far more than speciation. There are changes in a cell that accounts for speciation. That is why we see physical variations in animals of the same species today. But evolution claims to go far more than that. It tells that an organism can completely change it pre recorded Information in its dna and produce entirely another organism. That is impossible today.

Workch:
Says who?
How did you know that a tiger cannot evolve to an ape?
Educate me on that

Because a tiger is a tiger because of the information recorded in the DNA of it's cell to become a tiger which could allow for some variation or specie. But it can never become an ape because its cell does not have the biological information that ape cell has. That is what science tells us today. If reverse was the case, animals from different families would have been breaded in laboratories all over the world.

Workch:
Evolution is the change in gene frequency within a population of organisms through natural selection.

How does that mean that a goat can give birth to a chicken?

So how is it possible for natural selection to biologically alter the information recorded in the DNA of a cell of an animal to make it become another animal entirely?

Workch:
An example is Galapagos finches But you want an example of a goat giving birth to a chicken.

That is exactly the whole point of evolution. I sincerely believe in mutation, variation and speciation because they are scientifically proven. But science today helps us to understand that there is a biological limit to which those aforementioned processes can occur within a living organism. The whole idea that all living things today came from a single living cell is not biologically and scientifically possible. It cannot be proven anywhere not even in a lab with the best scientist.

Workch:
ofcourse it’s an entirely different animal.
Is a tiger not an entire different animal from lion even when we classify both as felines?

If they turned entirely into another animal, then why do you still call them finches. Me and you both know that tigers can never evolve to become apes because they have a biological barrier that would never let them get to that extent.

Workch:
Its not hard to prove, you are the person wanting to believe that animals can appear and disappear in the fossil record magically instead of the logical explanation that they evolved from each other. Which what actually happened.

It can turn into entirely something else, that’s the only logical explanation to fossil records and it’s the only logical explanation to transition fossils.

It’s you who won’t accept anything other man magic.

We even have millions of transition fossils to prove that living organism evolved but ypu won’t accept it until I insert magic into it

It’s impossible for animals to appear magicallyz have you seen any animals appearing magically?

The whole essence of this is to somehow find a way to insert your god in a gap

But you've never given me an example of how you claim about evolution can happen. We have countless species of animals on earth today. Which one have you seen evolved completely into another animal?

Workch:
What are expecting to hear?

That a cat can give birth to a chicken?

Evolution says so

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Workch:
we have different species that cannor mare with older one, what do you mean by stock?

A neve species has evidently emerged, can you deal with that?

We are technically all same biological stock cos we all evolved from one organism

Does sexual preference justify that they became another animal entirely? Are they not still Galapagos finches with the same functionalities as their predecessors?

Workch:
i am telling you that a new Galapagos finch species emerged and we know from which species it emerged from.

We also have evidence of many species of microorganisms emerging with evidence of the species they emerged from.

They didn’t just appear by magic

Did the new species became entirely another animal?

Workch:
we have different species that cannor mare with older one, what do you mean by stock?

A neve species has evidently emerged, can you deal with that?

We are technically all same biological stock cos we all evolved from one organism

If we all came from one organism....then why is it hard to proof the complete evolution of an organism from one form to another?
What you are having are new species within a kind of animal or organism with the same biological makeup. You are not actually creating another type of organism. There will always be a biological barrier of how much variation an organism can exhibit. It can never turn entirely into something else. That is what science know today.

Workch:
So why are they disappearing if the only explanation is that they can’t evolve?

Those animals simply died

Workch:
But we can’t find this claim of them ring created in the fossil record because the earth is 4.6billion years, how come it appeared 50million years ago?

How come another species of Galapagos finches appeared 30years Ago?

Why are animals going extinct?
Does this mean that we had more animals then than now?

Why are fossils appearing and disappearing?

So you want to insert creation magic into science?

Are the new specie of Galapagos finch different from the older ones biologically? Are they not still of the same biological stock?

Workch:
But we can’t find this claim of them ring created in the fossil record because the earth is 4.6billion years, how come it appeared 50million years ago?

How come another species of Galapagos finches appeared 30years Ago?

Why are animals going extinct?
Does this mean that we had more animals then than now?

Why are fossils appearing and disappearing?

So you want to insert creation magic into science?

Animals went extinct the same way animals go extinct today. We have a lot of animals today that are endangered species not because they are evolving but their populations are been threatened by natural or human action.

[quote author=Workch post=118849090]But we can’t find this claim of them ring created in the fossil record because the earth is 4.6billion years, how come it appeared 50million years ago?
The earth is well older than than any living creature today and science confirms that.
The fact that an animal appears suddenly and in complete form should help us understand that there must have been a designer. If all animals evolved, the fossil records would be filled with Incomplete structural animals and we would not have biological barriers within groups or families of animals. All living species will be a able to crossbreed without limitations. By now science would have been able to explain biologically how an animal can can alter completely the information in its cell and change to another animal because we would have been witnessing it by now.

Workch:
Lets assume the fossil has been dated for since 50million years?

Why Didnt it date 3.5billion years ago?

Why did it appear 50million years ago?

Because that group of families of fish appeared suddenly. Which suggests that they were created but did not evolve. Right from time they have always been completely developed. No gradual development noticed by the fossil records.

Workch:
snakehead fish

I just did a google research on the animal and found out that it is a fish not an amphibian. And that the specie belongs to the channidae family of fishes. And that they are well represented in the fossil records of at least 50 million years ago. And no record of it evolving into completely any other animal since then. The facts still remains that science cannot explain how an organism can completely change to another because it has never been witnessed.

1)Fossils records gives evidence of fully developed animals that came suddenly and died or went extinct without any evidence of gradually changing into another organism entirely.

2) Mutation, Variation and speciation are not still evidence of how an animal can change biologically completely into another animal of a different family. They only affect variations within a kind of animals.

Workch:
TWhen a dice is spinning, it’s hard to say exactly where it will end, it doesn’t mean that you should accept the fact that the dice is spinning by faith.

Look at the animal below in the picture, is that animal a fish or amphibian?
That’s probably hard to call for someone who doesn’t really know the animal. This animal breaths both on land and in water comfortably.
It has an organ capable of breathing water and air.
This animals evolutionary trend is very predictable because we know that this animal has always lived in the water and it’s a fish, but right now it’s adapting to live on land, it’s fins over generations are tilting towards walking on land. It’s gills are changing to something that can break but it’s still a fish and it will remain a fish for a long time.

However, it’s most likely going to evolve into something that specifically lives on land in many years and it might even evolve back into a solely aquatic animals depending on the environment.

How did we know this? we cannot find the fossil of this exact kind of fish in the record 10million years ago, so we know that this feature didn’t exist forever.

What is the name of this animal?

Osamabinladenik:
do you mean evidence of one species evolving into another?

Or a monkey giving birth to a human?
Or a fish giving birth to a goat?

Yes

Workch:
No one can predict evolutionary progress accurately this is because the genes that survives long enough to be passed down to offsprings is determined by the environment and in a constantly changing evironment (Which is hard to predict), anything is possible with enough time. This is what we call natural selection.

The idea is mutation/recombination, variation, changing environment and time to adapt. If any species doesn’t have any of this, that species will go extinct hence the reason we find a lot of fossils of extinct species

So are you saying that for now there is no possible explanation of how an organism can biologically change completely into another organism? Are we believing evolution by faith too instead of practical exact explanation?

Osamabinladenik:
Every organism comes from a pre-existing organism. That's what we know and that's speciation in evolution.

What we don't know if how the first organism came, we don't know that at all but we are working on a model for that called abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis is not fact yet but evolution is fact, it's the only explanation for the biodiversity that we have today.

Ok since you say evolution is fact, do you know of any animal that has scientifically evolved completely into another? And with evidence on how it happened biologically in the cell of the evolving animal.