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Kobojunkie:
1. For now at least! That might change by tomorrow as He does have a way of giving an understanding of these things on His own schedule, not mine.

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Kobojunkie:
You would have to ask the writer of the story in Genesis 6 that.

Lol....thank you for your honest submission. You dont know the answer.

Kobojunkie:
1. Is there only one kind of angel in Heaven? That would be my first question to you.

According to Genesis 6, the Sons of God, which is what we Jesus Christ came to recruit His followers as, are able to mate with humans meaning they probably have human bodies like Jesus Christ.

Lol....so how did the angels get their human bodies without been born on earth?

Kobojunkie:
1. The spiritual addition to it which for those in Jesus Christ actually takes place when one becomes born of the spirit - John 3 vs 5 - 8

So what kind of body do the angels in heaven have? Is it the same as the one Jesus had after been resurrected?

tctrills:
I am not sure I understand your question.
But hopefully this verse answers it.
John 20:17

So you agree Jesus has a father and a God. Does Jehovah of the old testament have a Father and a God?

Kobojunkie:
1. If you recall, Paul had stated that when you plant a seed, the seed dies and then a plant grows from it that produces seeds — even of the same kind— but great and glorious. (When you plant corn, you will also reap corn by the way, only you get a whole plant and lots more corn.) From that, what Paul is likely trying to get you to know is that your current flesh and blood, the one you were born with, will die off in the grave, while a new more glorious body — equally consisting of flesh and blood — with an added Spiritual aspect to it, with be raised from the grave instead.
You will die a man and be raised from the dead a man.

See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit.

So what is the difference between a physical body and a spiritual one? What is the source of the physical body and the source of the spiritual one?

tctrills:
That was never the my issue. I would appreciate it we can address my points then we move to a new topic.
I basically pointed out the Jesus Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament.

So who is now the 'Father' of the new testament?

tctrills:
Please read what I wrote so you can quote me correctly. Thank you

Do you believe that the father is greater than the son?

Kobojunkie:
Let's examine what Paul in fact says in his epistle.
According to Paul, the physical body dies when it is planted, and a spiritual body emerges when the dead physical body is then raised. One thing to note is that Paul never actually states that the Spiritual body does not have flesh and blood associated with it. Surely, when you plant corn seeds, you expect that corn seeds will also be realized as a part of that which is planted, right?

In verse 45, Paul states that the first Adam came from dust and the earth, but the last Adam is a life-giving Spirit. When Jesus Christ arrived from Heaven, He was clothed in flesh and blood— a man—, even as the life-giving spirit. So, here we have Paul in fact insisting that even the one clothed in the Spirit remains a man — flesh, and blood. And this corroborates Jesus Christ's statements and actions from after He was raised from the dead .
Not only did Jesus Christ allow them to see that He remained flesh and blood even after the resurrection. He proved to them that He still came equipped with a human digestive system by eating fish right in front of them. The man from Heaven, even after His resurrection still had flesh and blood intact.

So tailor this to 1 Corinthians 15:50

Steep:
So where did I tell you Jesus is equal to God as a man?

Lol....so you agree now that Jesus is still not equal to God in heaven since he is still a man with flesh and bone in heaven?

tctrills:
It said all powers given unto him. It did not say the Father is subject to him. You should be making your argument with Jesus Christ that made the statement if you don't believe it not me

You said that Jesus is not lesser than the father isn't it?
But the bible says he is subject to the Father. So how come he is equal to the Father? Don't you believe that the Father is greater than Jesus?

tctrills:
Almighty simply means he has all power as you read in Matthew.

So he has all power and still subjected? Who is the Father subjected to?

tctrills:
So?

How is he the Almighty, since he is subject to God?

Kobojunkie:
1. Peter's statement in that entire passage does not even address the resurrection, instead, he addressed only that which took place while Jesus Christ was in the grave — physically dead— for 3 days. So?

So after Jesus was physically dead in flesh, how was he resurrected? With the same flesh? Read 1 Corinthians 15:42-44

Kobojunkie:
1. Let's see what Peter in fact says.
According to the above passage, Peter seems to be saying that while Jesus Christ was in the grave— physically dead—, the Spirit made Him alive— He was conscious, spiritually at least—, even in death. Verse 19 indicates this as it also insists that Jesus Christ, was able to go preach to the spirits in the prison by virtue of this.

Ok....was Jesus resurrected with his fleshly body according to Peter?

Docjay487:
see eh, I assume you're not digitally deaf/blind, that question was answered.

It seems you are focused on some pack of cards you have to play that you do not even take the time to listen open-mindedly.
If someone asks a simple question you skip it and put an answer in their mouth, to accuse them of another thing that will warrant another card. honestly, guy, we can be better every day... you can be more reasonable.

Sadly, you just confirmed my suspicion sha.
Take my old advice.

Uncle don't resort to insult....
Please explain 1 peter 3:18 and 1 Corinthians 15:42-44
Since you claim Jesus is in heaven with his flesh and blood

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is it written that a man cannot? Jesus Christ entered into Heaven flesh and blood intact. So, where?

Explain 1 Peter 3:18

Kobojunkie:
According to scripture, Jesus Christ went up to Heaven clothed in flesh and blood. At what point on His journey to Heaven did He shed said flesh and blood covering?

Explain 1 peter 3:18

Steep:
Raised to life in the Spirit is not same as raised to life as a Spirit.

Lol....explain

Steep:
Go back and read my previous post on 1 corrith 15 vv 21 to 25 or there about.

Lol...you are contradicting yourself.....you have argued that Jesus was not equal to God as a man and that Jesus is still a man in heaven. So how can Jesus be equal to the Father as a man in heaven?
Answer please.

Kobojunkie:
A man is different from a spirit? You mean a man cannot exist while equally spirit?

Can a man enter in heaven with flesh and blood?

Steep:
Did Jesus die in the spirit before?

Read 1 Peter 3:18 and explain

Steep:
Didn't you read the verse, Jesus had flesh and bones.

So if Jesus is in heaven with flesh and bones, how then is he equal to The Father?

Steep:
Note Jesus said he was not a spirit though he didn't have any blood meaning Jesus was still a man although he had no blood.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So are you agreeing that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh?

Docjay487:
Jeezzz Mike are you born again??

So you are saying that Jesus was resurrected in flesh?

Steep:
Good, He is still a man not an angel.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So are you agreeing now that Jesus is with his flesh in heaven?

Docjay487:
It's typical of some people sir, to play games and use tricks to help what they call the "truth"
It's good to discern who is really asking for clarification, asking to prove a point or even to show off information new to them to massage their egos.

Your guy just said that Jesus is not in heaven with his flesh and blood.

Steep:
@ bold when did I say so?

I will show where it is written that Jesus is a man only if you will admit to being a liar and a false witness when I do. Failure to do so, forget about it.

Lol....oh....Jesus is now a man but not with flesh and blood? Ok ooo
Please read 1 Corinthians 15:40 to show you that a man is different from a spirit.

tctrills:
No it doesn't matthew 28 does

Does not 1 Corinthians 15:27 say that Jesus would be made subject to God who subjected all things to him minus God himself?

Steep:
I asked you a question, what If I showed you were Jesus is called a man what will you do?
Will you admit you are a liar and a false witness ?

Show me where Jesus is in heaven with flesh and blood

Docjay487:
Excuse me o. See this:
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
When then did he convert or throw away this body before getting airborne as said in Luke 24:51?
Or finally on ascension?

So you are saying that Jesus took his sacrificial body back to heaven?
You would recall that Jesus after his death did not maintain one physical identity while appearing to his disciples which made them not to recognise him according to John 20:14, 15 and John 21:4-7.
Jesus as a spirit person did exactly what some angels did a long time ago as recorded in Gen 19:1-3, so that his disciples could see him and know he was the one that was their Lord.

Steep:
What of if I show you a verse that calls Jesus a man even in heaven, what will you do?

Answer this your claim.