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tctrills:
Now you get it. The English is so clear

tctrills:
How about I break down Exodus 6.2-3 the way I would break it down for a 5-year-old?

Verse 2

2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
easy to understand. The person speaking was God who is the Lord. Now the question is, was it Jehovah or the Almighty God?

Verse 3
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
The person speaking appeared unto Abraham and Isaac using some other person's name not his name. He appeared using the name of God Almighty.
Then he went ahead to tell Moses his own name. His name is Jehovah. Hence Jehovah is the Lord, and God mentioned in the old testament, not the Almighty God.
Can English be more simple?

tctrills:
Very simple English here. God said, in the past, I visited your father in someone else name not in my name Jehovah. How self explanatory can this be

jaephoenix:
Time can be measured by sundial with a different unit as that of clocks. It still remains time. Even when there was nothing to measure it, it existed, tho it wasn't discovered.
Another example is gravity. Stone men knew if you jumped up, you'll eventually fall time. But they didn't know what to call it or its attributes. Galileo and his experiments changed everything. So we can now measure it in G

tctrills:
Ahh Exodus 6. 3 actually helps you understand that 2 Person's are involved here.
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
Here, Jehovah tells Moses that in the past, he appeared in the name of God Almighty while his own name was unknown. Or let's put it in a way you can understand. He was basically saying I appeared in my surname but my name was unknown to them.
Now to verse 2
And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
Jehovah says I am the Lord, does that mean he does not have a father? No.

tctrills:
No he did not. Please check before quoting.
Gen 6.2-3

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

tctrills:
The old testament and the new are both from God so why am I bound to show you a scripture from the old testament when the entire new testament tells you that Jesus Christ has a father?
What really is your point?

tctrills:
Your question is not clear. We both agree that Jesus Christ (Jehovah) has a Father so what exactly is your question?

tctrills:
First none of the verses you quoted says that you stop being a God once you have your foreskin removed.
Secondly if Jesus Christ (Jehovah) chooses to take the form of a man and to live the life of a mortal, who are we to question him.
Christ is a God but chose to live the life of a man. Philippians 2:6-8
Read the following
John 1.1
Matthew 1.22-23
Exodus 3:7–8, 13–14 link to John 8:58
John 8.23
Colossians 1:15
Colossians 2:9.
Revelations 1. 8-18
Hebrews 1.8
These verses should clear all your doubt.

jaephoenix:
Time is absolute, not subjective

jaephoenix:
In the next 500 years, measurement of time and other parameters would change. Newer and better instruments would be used. In the stone age, what were they using to measure time? Sunset and sunrise, maybe. Now we use watches and clocks. What does it tell you? Time is absolute and isn't tied to any specific measuring instrument

jaephoenix:
In the next 500 years, measurement of time and other parameters would change. Newer and better instruments would be used. In the stone age, what were they using to measure time? Sunset and sunrise, maybe. Now we use watches and clocks. What does it tell you? Time is absolute and isn't tied to any specific measuring instrument

Kobojunkie:
yw!

Kobojunkie:
1. All you have done here is reveal your pigheadedness, and not that I taught any of what you claim.

Kobojunkie:
1. I shouldn't change it even though that is what it means as explained by Jesus Christ Himself in John 3 vs 5 - 8 where He indicates that you acquire a spiritual aspect to your being which changes you from being a physical being to an eternal being able to partake of the Kingdom of God?.

I see, you are instead attempting here an argument by pigheadedness. When you are ready, to continue, let me know.

Kobojunkie:
1.

■Did Jesus Christ at least say you must be born of the spirit — clothed in the spirit— before you can enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8? Yes/No
■ Did Jesus Christ also mention that Eternal life— a life that does not die or come to ruin— is received at the point of entering into His Kingdom - John 3 vs 16 - 21? Yes/No

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did that in John 3 vs 5 - 8 when He said except a man be born again — be born of water and born of spirit —, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, of which Paul spoke of in the context of the Kingdom of God in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54
As Paul indicated in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54, our body, as-is, cannot partake of God's Kingdom.
And as such it needs to be clothed in that which never dies nor decays before it can enter into the Kingdom of God. Well, that something happens during the born-again process — the acquisition of a spirit/eternal aspect to one's being — the Eternal life that one gains when entering the Kingdom of God. See where Paul tells you that to acquire that spiritual body he had alluded to in previous verses, some will not even need to die to have it. Well, it is those who are born-again who will not need to die to have spiritual bodies — complete with flesh and blood while they still live

Kobojunkie:
1. As indicated right there in that response you quoted, it is the spirit aspect that is gained in Jesus Christ.

2. And, I didn't assume this at all as it is instead what Jesus Christ Himself taught of all those who enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8. Paul simply repeated this in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 55 as the spirit clothing the body.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't follow at all.

Did I teach this assumption I had of Paul's writings on the matter as God's Truth, or did I simply indicate that I had actually thought Paul meant a brand new body, an idea which I instead believe contradicts Jesus Christ was raised clothed in the same body He was buried in, scars and all?

Kobojunkie:
1. Point out one such assumption.

Steep:
stop jumping around after being busted in one you run to another.
When has made alive in spirit equal to resurirected as a spirit?

Kobojunkie:
1. I did not assume this thing as what I did instead was simply apply Jesus Christ's own law in assessing this. According to Jesus Christ, those who Know Him will not teach that which is of the doctrines and traditions of men - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - lies which nullify the power of God and render worship of no meaning.

2. I didn't find it hard to explain that at all. As I said instead, I don't have that information at this time given that Jesus Christ Himself made clear to His followers that God will give us the understanding we need when He deems it fit - Matthew 25 vs 29 & Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 25.
The Father is the one who controls these things.

Steep:
what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit.

Kobojunkie:
1. From the conversation, you need to first find Him so He can help you before you can help another. Spewing religious doctrines which are disconnected from that which is of scripture is against Jesus Christ.