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GodsMopol:
parental ish shey

Family generally. It's a terrible situation where you can't leave or express doubts without huge punishment

FortuneTeller:
I'm going to have to excuse myself from this thread. Please refrain from mentioning me again. It's bringing back too many memories of the lovely family I spoke about.

Sorry for the pain.

GodsMopol:
are you an ex JW, cause they are some stiff necked set of being

No I am not. I am actually still in but can't get out for now.

rottennaija:
I was totally appalled that this things happened within the organisation and most JWs don't know. In search of christian freedom, pages 606-613 gives a vivid description of how this happens inside bethel, but is carefully hidden by the organisation.

Witnesses are discouraged from doing any research using publications outside of the watchtower.
Gradually most witnesses come to fear doing any kind of research.
The internet has done a good job to uncover what's been going on in many bethel homes and many congregations.
One only needs to google the phrase "Jehovah's witnesses " and one will be shocked to see how much the governing body doesn't want the rank and file to know.
That's the big reason the leadership don't want jws to go university where they willl learn to do critical thinking and deep reasoning.
Just listen to gb Losch here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4f9ygxDbk

FortuneTeller:
There was a lovely JW family near me. The husband murdered his wife, kids and himself.

This is one fact most Jw and people they study with don't know.
It's a very tough life being a witness, week in week out, they the leadership taught them that the rank and file jw are not doing enough and may not make it through the destruction of this world if they don't do more for the organization.
This put so much enormous emotional pressure on the members.

It's a shame that many jw are decent but very beaten-down people.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1824

Above is a nice article about this subject. In the western world, suicide rate among Jehovah's Witness young ones is far higher than for the general population.
One of several reasons is the disfellowshipping practice among the jw, where families are supposed to totally shun anyone who leaves the jw organization.
The above article provides other reasons why.
If you are contemplating joining the Jehovah's witnesses, pls ask them questions about their practices, don't assume anything. They will shower you with love to cover all the terrible things going on within the organization. Research Research Research

Hairyrapunzel:
You can't change the fact that your imperfect 7 old men in New York tell you not to go to university so they will recruit you to work as a waiter or bricklayer.

So according to your beliefs going to university is lack of faith in God. Instead go to bethel and do menial jobs which is equivalent to having faith in God. SMH

The gb have been encouraging people to change their jobs to become window cleaner and street vendors so as to be able to do more for them.
Just last month, w 2017/6 says ...
"If we are not careful, however, secular work could interfere with our worship. For example, a brother in Thailand related: “My secular work of repairing computers was very interesting, but it involved working long hours. As a result, it left me almost no time for spiritual matters...What did this brother do? 8 “After planning for about a year,” he explained, “I decided to become a street vendor and sell ice cream. In the beginning, I struggled ..."

The GB live in absolute comfort in NY, they encourage people who live in the 3rd world to look for menial repair work or street vending.
That's what you get in jw land. Very callous people

joyandfaith:
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Feel That They Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved?
1.
No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation. The Bible explains that in God’s promised new world, “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” ( Acts 24:15 ) Additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve God, and they too will gain salvation. In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.— John 5:22, 27.

3.

So only those non jw who'd lived in the past can have salvation?. The 7billion+ now living who are non Jehovah's witnesses will die?
And only people who are jw are" serve[ing] God"?

This is preposterous.

Would you join a religion which says everyone who is not a member will be killed by God?

Would you join a religion which you know that statistically if you stay in it long enough, there is a high chance that it will split your family apart?

Would you join a religion which demands that you preach to your neighbours that they are soon going to die if they don’t believe your message?

Would you join a religion which actively discourages education and thinking analytically? Or one which promotes faith and obedience to a group of cult leaders who have no credentials in anything, only a very long track record in failed promises?

Does the prospect of living in a utopia controlled by these seven governors of the religion appeal to you? Men who assert that their religion is the only one chosen by God in 1919, a subject with no basis in any fact. Also with the beliefs held back then, if you believed them now, would bizarrely disqualify you from membership today!

How would you view a religion which prohibits examining scholarly information and only permit research from its own hopelessly biased publications?

Would you join a religion which says everyone who is not a member will be killed by God?

Would you join a religion which you know that statistically if you stay in it long enough, there is a high chance that it will split your family apart?

Would you join a religion which demands that you preach to your neighbours that they are soon going to die if they don’t believe your message?

Would you join a religion which actively discourages education and thinking analytically? Or one which promotes faith and obedience to a group of cult leaders who have no credentials in anything, only a very long track record in failed promises?

Does the prospect of living in a utopia controlled by these seven governors of the religion appeal to you? Men who assert that their religion is the only one chosen by God in 1919, a subject with no basis in any fact. Also with the beliefs held back then, if you believed them now, would bizarrely disqualify you from membership today!

How would you view a religion which prohibits examining scholarly information and only permit research from its own hopelessly biased publications?


That's what you get in Jehovah's Witness land.

Hairyrapunzel:
Still doesn't change the fact that your imperfect gb tells people to shun family and friends if those people disagree with the imperfect gb teaching which are non biblical.

Do you know that it is only a cult that punishes people from leaving it?
The punishment is shunning which is emotional blackmail
And do you think it's only when you don't believe in Jesus you are an atheist? Stop your black and white thinking
Well he doesn't want his family members to ostracize him.
He shouldn't be punished or shunned by his family and friends for not believing imperfect gb members teaching

In Jw land, anyone who disagrees is considered a wicked man. So he needs to be shunned ala disfellowshipped.
So if a teenager refused to get baptized, no matter how bad he later became - uses drugs, fornicate, steal,- as long as he hasn't been baptized, he will NOT be shunnned. If on the other hand, he got baptized even at 10 yrs of age, and he later disagrees he is quickly shunned and disfellowshipped.
That's the way it is in jw land.

CAPTIVATOR:
The above rants confirm you don't understand anything in that Scripture .

nobody ask him not to talk to his family, But the main issue is when the fear of family prevents you from doing what you think is right .


I quoted Matthew 10:37 which says

" He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me " @ bold , If he is convinced that Where his family belongs his false, And there is no Jesus Christ there , and yet he stayed ( He is deceiving himself ) It means he cared more for his family than Jesus . DIGEST THAT VERSE again. he is a coward , Not worthy of Christ.

Below is a video of one of the GB during the Australian child abuse commission hearing.
If you watch the whole video, you'll be ashamed that this guy is one who control more than 8 million people.
He lied on several occasions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6X1YU6YYI

CAPTIVATOR:
Baseless accusation

Jesus said whoever has more love for family members than they have for him is not worth Jesus. if you are convinced they are wrong, Family should not stop you from leaving ! - Matthew 10:37

A teenager who got baptized at 13 and who changed his mind not to be a witness at 17 will be shunnned by parents. Think about that for a minute.
Many present Jw got baptized as a teenager, they can't leave because their entire existence is a tied to agreeing with the gb.
No record of people getting baptized as a teenage in d Bible.
There is a reason why teenagers are not allowed to get married because they can't get into lifelong commitment, but in jw land, that doesn't matter.

Hairyrapunzel:
So from your explanation because people choke when eating therefore eating is bad
Higher education is never and will never be a disease. It is a necessity and avoiding it should never be preached. religious extremists always discourage some or all forms of education

Discouraging people from getting higher education is a tool used by your imperfect men to limit the contact with people who are not jws

Your leaders don't want people to question their interpretation of the Bible and also they want cheap and free labour period.

You got it. Best put.

CAPTIVATOR:
continue your Hypocritical behavior in their midst.

The above post is enough for any reasonable person not to take you serious. - Read Matthew 10:37 probably you are just looking for cheap attention. a serious person doesn't joke with their relationship with God even if it means Going against their families.

Thanks for your advice. I will get out when I safely can.
There are thousands in my situation; bethelites, COs, hundred of elders- I am one.
All letters to BOE are online even before elders get them. Those are coming from leaking in bethel.
Convention talk outlines are on the internet. That's coming from some COs
So, many of us are mentally out but physically in just to protect whatever we seem as important.
This is not the truth and you will sooner or later realize that fact.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Truth be told...

If you truly have faith in Jesus Christ, and his teachings, you shouldn't bother about going to school. Your only concern should be going iabout preaching his teachings to people anywhere you can find listening ears. You shouldn't keep a family, or go school to get degrees.... you should be walking about in cheap cloths prepared to die of "persecution" anytime; because there is a place where mansions awaits you.

Except you don't have faith in heaven, then you would pursue a college degree. Heaven should be the only focus of a christian, not making a life here on this perishing earth.

You willl soon qualify to be a Jehovah's Witness governing member. Try move to New York. Lol.

triplec93:
Have a humble heart, pray to Jah, learn to stick to Jah and his organization. If you perceive a mole of mistake in Jah's organization and decide to leave you would face a mountain of wrongdoings out there.

From the video, if you are a jw and in a university, you are disobeying the gb, period.
The interesting thing is that most jw don't obey anymore and it's a very good thing. It's not difficult to see a continuous decline in % increase among jw.
Auxiliary pioneering hour requirement is now basically 30 hours, it used to be 70 hrs. If the end is as near as they claim and they are serious and believe that shouldn't pioneering hours go up and the number of pioneers increasing as in 1974?
Most witnesses have doubts but they know if they ever voice such a doubt, they are in danger.
No wonder, the 2017 Regional Convention say "Don't give up" when many already have.
See talk outlines of the 2017 RC here. https://www.nairaland.com/do_share?post=59127643&redirect=%2F3965643%2Fjehovahs-witnesses-2017-regional-convention%2359127643&session=7D7A3258EB365E6C1960F6A8960D1CB47EA0A59ACB66A4116BF1D91EA423BD5D

triplec93:
good night.

Here are excerpts and quotes.

Watchtower 2012 Jun 15 p.23 "If you are approaching the end of the schooling required of you, you may find yourself in good health and with few responsibilities. Have you seriously considered entering the regular pioneer ranks? No doubt, school counselors sincerely believe that it is in your best interests to pursue higher education and to plan for a secular career. Yet, their confidence lies in a social and financial system that has no lasting future. On the other hand, by pursuing a theocratic career, you will be pursuing truly worthwhile and lasting goals. And you will be following Jesus’ perfect example. Such a wise decision will make you happy. It will protect you. And it will show that you are determined to live up to your dedication to Jehovah."

Watchtower 2011 Nov 15 p.19 “Vigilant Christians refrain from using the world to the full with regard to higher education. Many people in this world consider higher education an indispensable stepping-stone to prestige and an affluent life. But we Christians live as temporary residents and pursue different goals. We avoid “minding lofty things.”

Watchtower 2011 Jun 15 p.6 "But there is danger in encouraging them to take up a life style centered on education and financial security instead of true worship.... Plans for a life that subordinates spirituality to worldly goals can snuff out a young person’s desire to serve God."

“All of Jehovah’s Witnesses, regardless of their educational status, have something in common. They recognize that the most important education available today has its source in God’s Word, the Bible.” Awake! 1994 Aug 22 p.8

“Are we encouraging young ones, who are often steered by schoolteachers and others to pursue the world’s higher education, to set spiritual goals instead and pursue the highest education—divine education?” Kingdom Ministry 2011 Oct p.3

“What, though, of higher education, received in a college or a university? This is widely viewed as vital to success. Yet, many who pursue such education end up with their minds filled with harmful propaganda. Such education wastes valuable youthful years that could best be used in Jehovah’s service. (Eccl. 12:1) Perhaps it is not surprising that in lands where many have received such an education, belief in God is at an all-time low.” Watchtower 2008 Apr 15 p.4

Hairyrapunzel:
But it clearly states that getting higher education is equal to lack of faith
Why is it that your GB do not tell it's members the benefits, advantages or importance of going to these universities. Always instilling fear in minds of its followers. Why are they afraid of higher education affecting the spirituality of its members? Or they are afraid of their members thinking critically and questioning all their doctrines Which are non biblical?

A lot of witnesses attend uni but it doesn't change the fact that it is strongly discouraged by your leaders.

University Education helps humanity become critical thinking people. Think of great scientists, engineers, educators, surgeons, etc are all forged in universities. Jehovah's Witness GB don't like questions to be asked. They know you will ask critical questions if you go to school hence they hate and treat education like some scourge.
The branch visit for Nigeria early this year, the guy that delivered the talk said "don't become an engineer, rather become a technician", meaning go to learn handy work rather than get a degree. Preposterous

joyandfaith:
op is a liar. You do not understand the message. GB warns against danger of University education, pursing it at expense of one spirituality. A lot witnesses are students in universities worldwide.

Can you state one lie in the post.

triplec93:
I really don't think that's the only reason you are leaving, of all religions on earth only the witnesses strive to follow in Christ's footsteps, and teach the truth about God, concerning the university education, no body has been expelled from the cong because he is in the university, they are only discouraging it based on the negative influences there, and since there is no scriptural basis for that, it is based on a personal decision, i just graduated from the uni and i would further my studies if i desire, so that should not be a problem.

Watch that video again. That crap is coming from a member of the ggoverning body. Their words is law.
Maybe your cong is liberal, where I live, elders and MS are deleted because they go to college. Some people are even shunned cause they are considered as faithless and not being good example.
I was born in, have 2 Masters degree all as a witness, but the present crop of GB are just some extremist who just make empty noise these days.
By the way, I am not leaving for family reasons

triplec93:
Is that why you are not happy with the witnesses or there are other reasons?

There are thousands that are stuck in the org.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/ Has over 13,000 people bethelites, elders, pioneers are all there. go there and see their stories.
I am trying to wake people up for them to know they have a less painful way out of the org. Hundreds are escaping on daily basis.

triplec93:
hmmm, so you think other religions or churches are better than the witnesses?

Not comparing just stating the realities and damage that can be done to people in a highly controlled group like the jw. There's nowhere the bible say one can't be a doctor, an engineer, a teacher etc But in jw land, you lack faith by being anyone of these professions

triplec93:
were u a witness?

I am still. Physical in but mentally out. It's a dangerous place to be when you want to leave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4f9ygxDbk

JusticeSeeker:
Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians. Why will they say they are Christians when they deny Christ 's divinity? They are simply a set of deluded persons who have chosen to believe strong lies concocted from the pit of hell.

I don't even care if they are Christian or not. What bothers me is the culty behavior, people are punished when they decide to leave.
Parent shun or even evict children from home, when the children refuse or question watchtower teaching.
Teenagers are told not to go to university.
They said going to university is lack of faith in God. See video of one of Jw governing body below.
It s the most controlling group anyone can join.
Run Run Run


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4f9ygxDbk

August 7, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Public Witnessing Posters

S-80-E PUBLIC WITNESSING SUPPLIES

Dear Brothers:
We are pleased to inform you of a new design for public witnessing posters. Rather than featuring specific publications, seven new posters focus on timely topics that have global appeal. We believe this approach will allow publishers to better address the specific needs of interested persons.

The titles for the new posters are:
 You Are Invited (This is a poster for use in inviting the public to conventions, congregation meetings, and the Memorial.)
 Learn Bible Truths
 Peace—When?
 What Is True Success?
 Will Suffering End?
 Was Life Created?
 Find Family Happiness

The posters that feature the cover article for each issue of the public edition of The Watchtower and Awake! and the four posters that feature sign-language publications will continue to be used. However, when the new posters arrive in the congregation, posters that feature other individual publications should no longer be used.

We send our warm Christian love.

Your brothers,

PS to the body of elders:
Please arrange for this letter to be read to the congregation at the first midweek meeting after its receipt. Thereafter, it should be posted on the information board. However, this postscript should neither be read to the congregation nor be posted on the information board.

In addition to what is stated above, please note that the three Free Personal Bible Study posters and the poster featuring the jw.org logo will continue to be made available.

We are pleased to announce that you may now begin requesting from the branch office magnetic boards and magnetic-compatible posters for use with literature carts. The posters are weather-resistant and are designed to keep their dignified appearance after extensive use. They will be shipped to congregations starting in early 2018. The Public Witnessing Supplies (S-80) form has been revised to include a starter kit containing one magnetic board and all seven of the new posters. While it is recommended that a starter kit be requested for each literature cart, the magnetic board and/or the seven posters used on the magnetic board may also be requested separately. At the present time, the new posters for use with the magnetic boards are available for request from the branch office in Cebuano, Chichewa, Chinese Mandarin (Simplified), Chinese Mandarin (Traditional), Czech, Efik, English, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Haitian Creole, Hungarian, Igbo, Iloko, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Nigerian Pidgin, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Slovak, Spanish, Swahili, Tagalog, Twi, Ukrainian, Yoruba, and Zulu. As additional languages become available, these will be listed in the monthly announcement of new publications.

Only the magnetic-compatible posters from the organization should be used with the magnetic boards, since adhesive-based posters could cause damage to the magnetic board. Care should be taken not to fold or crease the posters. Please use caution when opening the package that contains the magnetic board and posters so as not to damage the contents. If the new magnetic-compatible posters are not available for request from the branch office in a certain language, it may be that the new posters in that language are available electronically in the “Forms” section of the “Documents” tab. Such posters could be downloaded and printed locally for use with nonmagnetic boards.

In view of the costs associated with providing magnetic boards, posters, and other public witnessing equipment, discernment is needed to ensure that the congregation is considering their privilege to financially support the worldwide work.—Luke 14:28.

Here is the letter.
BoE Letter - August 1, 2017 - Re: Using and Maintaining Kingdom Halls

https://doc-0s-34-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/ha0ro937gcuc7l7deffksulhg5h7mbp1/592d3mirm7764un3e4f3lm2tul3ko455/1502064000000/05692618185138157556/*/0B2fYNzAbUpqFSkVsUkFCYXRaRW8?e=download

You have to read between the lines to get the point that the governing body wants old publication out of the Kingdom Hall library.
Since those old publications are removed from online, the new members may never know for example that Jehovah's witnesses were once against immunization, and so many other crazy teachings.

The new mosque is a former Kingdom Hall.
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/2017/08/05/new-mosque-opens-its-doors-to-public-in-niagara-falls


https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6s18ys/new_mosque_opens_its_doors_to_public_in_niagara/

You can find all the outline of the talks of the Don't Give UP 2017 RC.

All Letters to Body of Elders can be found here->http://avoidjw.org/books/

There are over 1000 cases of unreported cases of child abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses congregations in Australia.
Below is the official findings and recommendations of the Australian government commission.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney

Greater than 90% of Jehovah's witnesses are unaware of this. The Awake and Watchtower has spent the last 100 years bashing other religions as the "Babylon the great"mentioned in Revelation 18: 2

You can watch Andrew Jackson of the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses here -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6X1YU6YYI