Why make predictions when you know they wont come true. Just to create panic and get people to believe and flock to you. Most religions especially American churches have used this tactic. Jehovah's witnesses are the most reprehensible
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 20 “‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.+ 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’
Hairyrapunzel: Jesus is God's only begotten son. Jehovah is jesus father Abeg who is Jesus mother ? Where did Jesus say those who hold contrary opinion to 8 old men who reside in new York who are uninspired fallible are betrayers?
Where did the bible say governing body will be Jesus and or moses?
Show me Bible verses.
Here is what they beleive: For anyone to survive JWs Armageddon, he/she has to support JWs governing body financially, with your labor, and handing out tracts. (another recent name for the GB is “the faithful and discreet slave” )
WT 2015 march 15, " The growing number of prospective sheep count it a privilege to support Christ’s brothers not only in the preaching work but also in other practical ways. For example, they give financial contributions and help to build Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls, and branch facilities, and they loyally obey those appointed by “the faithful and discreet slave” to take the lead."
search4truth: You're very correct. Yet they say christendom churches force out money from their members. Whats the difference between their actions and other churches. Please checkout this site.. so many beautiful informations on there http://beroeans.net
Low informed, low educated citizen is what results when the leader of a religion mis-interpreted the scriptures. The religions at the bottom of this chart all have leaders who discourage education. They are also highly controlled groups.
TATIME: John 6:66-69 compared to Matthew 23:12 Noah preached for centuries, he had brothers, sisters, uncles, aunties, nephews,niece, neighbors and lots of friends BUT ONLY eight survived that destruction. Luke 17:26 So MANY will sleep off SPIRITUALLY,those worthy of everlasting life will remain. Matthew 24:13
Another explanation is that the GREAT CROWD are not JW after all. You may have been duped.
The number of the GREAT CROWD are supposed to be GREAT not shrinking. Maybe the GB will come out with a new Light saying the GREAT CROWD will be very small like in the days of Noah.
The only part of the JW growing are the people who eat bread and drink wine on Nisan 14, supposedly the anointed JW.
Your whole interpretation of the bible is delusional, many serious JW are seeing. They are doing the logical thing; "Get out of her my people".
TATIME: "find a way" just as Jesus send His followers to forget about lovers of truth and go do their businesses so that each and everyone could "FIND A WAY"
You are in a cult. People in cults dont see that they are. Brainwashing is the tool that keeps you there. Research & research is the tool that will liberate you. No one can research for you
search4truth: It was read in the KH this week that each publisher would donate a special amount that they decide. Or the congregation should decide amongst themselves and come up with an amount to pay. (Worldwide) How's that different from other religions that pass their donation envelopes or boxes? The watchtower is busy paying moneyto victims of child abuse that had lawsuits against them and they really need money now. But they would never come out clean to the members. Such a hideous organization.
And it is very unconscionable to ask Africans who live on few $ a day to pay for the comfort of people who live in upstate NY in Warwick. To pay for child abuse lawsuits in California- thousands of miles away from Africa!
The GB has fulfilled all Jesus prophetic words about religious leaders who will pile up loads on their deceived followers
TATIME: A child will always love and remain submissive, obedient with complete trust in his/her father no matter how stupid or wayward that father is "unless you present a BETTER father to REPLACE his/her present father" otherwise you'll be seen as an enemy to the child.For instance Jehovah presented Jesus as a PERFECT replacement or BETTER father for all obedient offsprings of our disobedient first father Adam who stupidly fell to Satan's lies and deception.(Isaiah 6:9 compared to 1Corinthians 15:45) So all i'm asking you is "present a BETTER option to dedicated JWs" that's all.
What a silly reasoning! You have a long way to go. 1st research the organization and when you wake, you will find a way.
search4truth: I had to create a new moniker for this.
I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and
I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true. I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.
Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.
Education and research is the enemy of every cult. For you defenders of JW, pls do research of the organization using even its own publications and you will be woken up to reality that you have been lied to.
TATIME: John 6:66-68 compared to Act 2:41 So "soja go soja come"often happens in Christianity right from the time of Jesus and His faithful Apostles. The fact remains that many just don't want to be submissive in the first place( Ephesians 5:6)therefore leaving an organization that's championing complete trust and obedience to an invisible PERSON like Jehovah (whose representatives are imperfect mortal men like you and i) is an EASY way out! 3John 9,10
The number of JW kept decreasing. Most EU countries now have -ve growth. Kingdom Halls are now sold left right and center. True Christianity is not supposed to decline. Did you wonder why the GB discontinue production of the Yearbook!
25,000 is the number of ex JW on Reddit. Definitely the GB is taking note. Many shunned by their friends and parents now have a virtual myriads of friends
Hairyrapunzel: "Even though a Christian has been accused of wrongdoing serious enough to require judicial action, a judicial committee should not be formed unless the wrongdoing has been established. What kind of evidence is acceptable? ...
There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just people repeating hearsay; no action can taken if there only one witness. Deut 19:15; John 8:17.
If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident , the elders can consider their testimony. While such evidence is acceptable to establish guilt, is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence of wrongdoing.
If the accused denies the accusation, the investigating elders should try to arrange a meeting with him and the accuser together. (Note: If the accusation involves child sexual abuse and the victim is currently a minor, the elders should contact the branch office before arranging a meeting with the child and the alleged abuser .) If the accuser or the accused is unwilling to meet with the elders or if the accused continues to deny the accusation of a single witness and the wrongdoing is not established, the elders will leave matters in Jehovah's hands. (Deut.19:15-17; 1 Tim 5:19, 24, 25; w95 11/1 pp. 28-29) The investigating elders should compose a record, sign it, put it in a sealed envelope, and place it in the congregations confidential file. Additional evidence may later come to light to establish matters." Shepherd the Flock of God pp.71,72
The authority in Australia and in other places with many JW molestation cases says "report to police" period.
If murder occur in a kingdomHall, will they allow elders to handle the matter or "leave it in jehovahs hand"?
Child molestation is as horrible a crime as murder, why because many of the victims eventually commits suicide.
TATIME: @mikeolu1: The Bible is a big book that requires deep thoughts to grasp the messages even while studying it with a PERFECT instructor,counselor or teacher(John 6:65-69) As regards ERROR, both perfect and imperfect creatures do make mistakes but God who is directing HIS organization will not take it lightly with anyone who challenges the authority of those taking the lead NO MATTER WHAT. J!
So, can you mention 1 error your governing body have made?
Even when GB Geoffrey Jackson went in front of the Australian Royal Commission against child abuse, he was very inconsistent (they called that Lawyer Speak) he could not accept that errors were made in Jws handling of hundred of child abuse cases within the congregation. Over 1000 cases of child abuse in Australia alone. Welcome to gods (self proclaimed) Organization!
TATIME: Matthew 24:12,13 "Because of the increase in LAWLESSNESS the love of the GREATER number(amongst true Christians) will grow cold,BUT THE ONE(TATIME) WHO HAS ENDURED TO THE END WILL BE SAVED" Helloooooo those are the utterances of JESUS! Sorry my friend,i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses that will remain no matter what happens i'm with the organization(body and soul) even if it remains just 8 or 9 persons i'll surely be one of them.
I bet there will be many more than 8 or 9 persons that will be left, afterall Al-Qaeda still have thousands of members.
However, remember that if you are not permitted to ask questions even though you see blatant errors in doctrines and organizational decisions, then you are not worshiping a god of freedom, you are in fact just a little better than domesticated animals
Watchtower 17.02 4:10-12 says "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction" .
No one dare ask, which mistakes have they made? How can they be directed by holy spirit and still err in doctrinal matter?
TATIME: How market? :... The last mentioned are Jehovah's Witnesses by nature so no matter where they are presently they will still end up being Jehovah's Witnesses, whereas the others may happen to be born or somehow related to Jehovah's witnesses but as time goes on they will discover they don't belong here so they will leave. So no matter what you say to them a Jehovah's Witness will live and die as a JW,because our lives are focused on SHOWING APPRECIATION FOR OUR GOD ...
May be you dont know this, but there are more ex-witnesses than those who physically attend the congregations.
Among those who attend are hundreds of elders and bethelites who are physically in but mentally out. They just attend because they want to keep their families together.
Do you know that before the bodies of elders receive a letter from the governing body, that letter is already leaked on the internet? Those letters are being leaked from and by people very close to and at the top. That is what happens when people can not ask question or criticize religious leaders without being labelled as apostate with all the negatives attached to it.
Sit tight, as many are leaving. Average of 25/day join the www.reddit.com/r/exjw/ with about 25,000 courageous people who have snubbed the governing body and tell the GB to Bleep off.
By the way you can find all letters to Body of Elders here http://avoidjw.org/letters/ very well documented and cataloged, letters may include those your elders have not read in your congregation
TATIME: My beloved Christian brother OneJ said it but i didn't take my time to notice your animosity against Jehovah's people. Sorry for disturbing you my friend, now i've gotten the message,first it was "child sex abuse" then "blood transfusion" and now "higher education"(Matthew 26:59-62)Please continue with these GOOD WORKS because there's a lot of goodies awaiting you for all these and in due season you shall reap what you're sowing if you do not tire out,retreat or surrender. Galatians 6:9 God bless you Sir
Your style is clear to all. It is that of a brainwashed follower who when asked why he takes an action replies with "I was told by the leader to do it"
Thousands are seeing through the JWs method, that's why the fold is decreasing and many young ones are leaving.
The method is time tested; leaders live in 5-Start-like luxury and followers support the lifestyle. JW leaders live in Warwick NY, have the best healthcare any american can dream of.
Many religious leaders have used this method but the JWs leader take it to a higher level. Families are destroyed when someone joins or decides to leave.
Now, many Nigerians are discouraged from attending universities so they can peddle watchtower and awake from door to door and stading behind carts.
Blessed is the deceiver, woe is the person deceived- a Yoruba adage says.
Here is a video of one of the JWs leader advising members who are attending universities to quit and that attending university is "lack of faith". This is a cult of the highest caliber!
TATIME: WISDOM is "the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefit " I'm not saying that basic education is worthless but spending all ones life in pursuit of a career that won't allow for the most important things in life is totally out of sense according to Jesus. John 21:15-19 That is why true Christians in the first century were charged to focus more on their Christian ministry because both the career seeker and others are clamouring for a fulfilled life "just to be happy". REAL Christians aren't happy when they're not able to declared the TRUE message of God's kingdom to others "no matter what they have or able to accumulate" moreover Jesus taught TRUE Christians never to store up treasures on earth! Matthew 6:19,20 A career seeker lost his life just because he was so entrenched in his career to the extent he saw the Messiah face to face and turned away from SALVATION! Mark 10:18-27 The "RICH" that Jesus was referring to in his statement never meant those who became rich by chance but those who believes and trusted so much in wealth! So how do you evaluate such attribute? It is simply those who will never allow anything to debar their progress in the disciple making work that Jesus commissioned, of course a career seeker must choose between his career and his Christian ministry( Luke 16:13)So TRUE Christians keep encouraging their children (whom they will like to see in God's kingdom)to desist from time consuming careers. Mark 4:19 Jehovah's Witnesses want their children to live a NONE materialistic simple lifestyle ( Matthew 6:22,23) that is why they won't support their children to be running after CAREERS just few things is enough to scale through this system of things. Thanks for your concern my friend,i just want you to know that we Jehovah's Witnesses are TRUE Christians and our lives are not built around material possession or CAREERS.(1John 2:15-17) God bless you!
When a young man decides to be a medical doctor, at graduation, he is benefiting many people including many JWs When a lady becomes a teacher, she is sacrificing a lot to teach future generations including JWs Same can be said for Pharmacists, Engineers, Geologists, Architects, on and on.
All these require at least 4 years of higher education.
It is beyond any sensibleness when a set of religious leaders use Jesus words to condemn these professionals. Ironically, these same leaders go to see best specialists in US hospitals when they are sick. Very unconscionable. Highest level of hypocrisy.
In JW land, any young man or woman who wants to become a professional is wasting valuable time and will eventually become a drunk. Ha ba Watchtower!
The set of pictures below is what they fed to their members few weeks ago condemning higher education and anyone who work hard to become a professional. Watchtower 18 April p.11-12
TATIME: Many indecisive ones that do attend our meetings don't grasp what Apostle Paul meant in his letter to our hebrew speaking brothers back then in the first century! Hebrew 10:24,25 They are thinking the encouragement is just mentioned in connection to the worldly view of life. Well if they come to us with their reasonings i believe we only need to answer them in a way that they will realize we are far wiser than they can imagine(1Peter 3:15) while we're remaining submissive to those taking the lead in TRUE Christianity. Hebrew 13:7,17 Agape my beloved brother OneJ
I am not a JW neither do I intend to be. My aim is to expose what is beneath the facade that the JW always present.
Most JW are very decent people who have been psychologically abused and browbeaten into believing what their leaders teach.
When you asked question, they attack the questioner rather than present a fact. Over 24,000 ex members, including COs, elders, pioneers (some still presently members) and are helping many to escape this cult. (https://old.reddit.com/r/exjw/new/)
TATIME: Don't mind JWs organization,they don't want you to become university graduates that's why most of their members aren't educated.But as for the religious group that is widely known and recognized for self sufficiency throughout the world NO religious group comes close to the high intellect of people going out to educate their neighbours on how to eradicate racism,crime,hooliganism,greed,immorality,violence etc i wonder what others who kept pushing all their youths to the university are deriving if after all their higher grades in varsities there is NOTHING beneficial to give back to the society at large. If you must know KNOWLEDGE is "the accumulation of useful information" while WISDOM is "the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefits" I suggest the JWs are going for WISDOM because it's obvious what they are doing has a lasting benefit on those who listens and act accordingly to what they're saying.
University education teach people to ask questions and not just believe what is handed down to them. No wonder most inventions in science, medicine, engineering etc originate from universities. religious leaders who do not want to be questioned, who want their followers to obey blindly, those are the leaders who discourage higher learning.
Awake of May 22,1969 pg15 States " Therefore as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking of a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way towards its finish if not actually gone!"
OneJ: Mikeolu & rottennaija are apostates & peddlers of defamatory & libelous content (they can never defend in any court of Law)who hide behind online monikers to malign Jehovah's name & His people. U point one finger at JWs, your other four fingers go dey ask U how far.... Evil seeds of Korah .
This should put some of your doubts to rest.
If you wonder where I get this letter from. I got it from the Internet. All letters to BOE, CO etc from Warwick NY are leaked and found on the internet.
OneJ: Your lies for NL go make Satan dey jealous U. So, U mean U went to all university campus nation wide & there are no JWs who study there or they all withdrew from school en masse ? Abi, U dey smoke something? Take it or live it, U are off key.
Below are few quotes from Watchtower and other publication discouraging JW from attending universities.
Watchtower 2012 Jun 15 p.23 "If you are approaching the end of the schooling required of you, you may find yourself in good health and with few responsibilities. Have you seriously considered entering the regular pioneer ranks? No doubt, school counselors sincerely believe that it is in your best interests to pursue higher education and to plan for a secular career. Yet, their confidence lies in a social and financial system that has no lasting future. On the other hand, by pursuing a theocratic career, you will be pursuing truly worthwhile and lasting goals. And you will be following Jesus’ perfect example. Such a wise decision will make you happy. It will protect you. And it will show that you are determined to live up to your dedication to Jehovah."
Watchtower 2011 Nov 15 p.19 “Vigilant Christians refrain from using the world to the full with regard to higher education. Many people in this world consider higher education an indispensable stepping-stone to prestige and an affluent life. But we Christians live as temporary residents and pursue different goals. We avoid “minding lofty things.”
Watchtower 2011 Jun 15 p.6 "But there is danger in encouraging them to take up a life style centered on education and financial security instead of true worship.... Plans for a life that subordinates spirituality to worldly goals can snuff out a young person’s desire to serve God."
“All of Jehovah’s Witnesses, regardless of their educational status, have something in common. They recognize that the most important education available today has its source in God’s Word, the Bible.” Awake! 1994 Aug 22 p.8
“Are we encouraging young ones, who are often steered by schoolteachers and others to pursue the world’s higher education, to set spiritual goals instead and pursue the highest education—divine education?” Kingdom Ministry 2011 Oct p.3
“What, though, of higher education, received in a college or a university? This is widely viewed as vital to success. Yet, many who pursue such education end up with their minds filled with harmful propaganda. Such education wastes valuable youthful years that could best be used in Jehovah’s service. (Eccl. 12:1) Perhaps it is not surprising that in lands where many have received such an education, belief in God is at an all-time low.” Watchtower 2008 Apr 15 p.4
rottennaija: At least the news is spreading. It's time to hold this organization to account for their hidden and unscrupulous, unscriptural self-serving practices
The leaders have been giving the members difficulty if they send their children to university.
University education have lifted many African from abject poverty, yet you have a religion that basically says if you or your family attend uni, you will have problem with us. Who says JW are not a super cult?
WGAL's Beccah Hendrickson looks into a woman's claims that Jehovah's Witnesses knew about hundreds of claims of child sex abuse and didn't report them. The woman has brought her complaint to the state attorney general. You can watch the report above. See
WGAL’s Beccah Hendrickson also investigates allegations that clergy at a York County Jehovah’s Witnesses church knew about the sexual abuse of a 4-year-old girl and failed to report. Please note, some people may find portions disturbing.
Jehovah does not [i]need [/i]an organization, nor has he used an organization for most of human history. For 2,500 years, from Genesis until the Israelite, there is no mention of any organization; God dealt directly with individuals. From the death of the Apostles until the 1800's, Watchtower cannot identify any group as representing God's organization. Yet the most important concept behind being a Jehovah's Witness is that you need to follow the Watchtower organization for salvation.
Watchtower makes the claim that "Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way." (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p.192) If that is the case, how were they guided and organised during the dark ages? What group represented God's organization immediately prior to the formation of the Watchtower Society in the 1884 by Charles Russell, and why didn't Russell just follow them?
The Watchtower Society goes a step further by saying that being part of their particular Organization is an essential requirement of salvation.
"Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" - Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212
The leaders of the Watchtower Society, the Governing Body, are said to be appointed by Christ and the only means by which he directs his true followers today.
"Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit or active force. (Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book." Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402
"However, the Governing Body are appointed through the holy spirit under the direction of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.18
"These overseers faithfully seek to apply instructions received from Jehovah God and Jesus Christ by means of the faithful and discreet slave and its Governing Body." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.20
"Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body." Examining the Scriptures Daily 2007 p.34
"Jehovah’s visible organization can use you, but can get along without you too. But you cannot get along without it. Fruitless ones are eventually pruned off and never missed as new ones are grafted in. Pruned-off branches soon wither and die, being cut off from the circulating, life-giving sap." Watchtower 1950 Jan 15 p.26
This is the most significant concept behind being a Jehovah's Witness. Believing in God is not what makes a Witness unique, as a large portion of people believe in God. Trusting in the Bible is not the key factor to being a Witness, as billions of people believe they follow the Bible. It is belonging to the "Organization" that distinguishes one of Jehovah's Witnesses and makes them feel solely worthy of salvation.
This raises the following questions;
1. Is membership of an organization essential for salvation? 2. Has Jehovah always operated through an organization?
Requirement of Salvation
The word "organization" never appears in the Bible, yet organization appears 17,789 times on the 2015 Watchtower Library CD. This is because belonging to an organization is not a Scriptural requirement, but rather a common concept amongst high control groups as a technique of building a member's high degree of conviction and uniformity.
The Watchtower claims that belonging to an organization is essential for salvation.
"To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12
It is not stated in either the Old or New Testaments that membership of an organization is a requirement of salvation. The Scriptures repeatedly state that it is faith in Jesus and the Father that results in everlasting life.
"... obtain the salvation that is in union with Christ Jesus along with everlasting glory." 2 Timothy 2:10
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life ... He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life." John 3:16, 36
"And yet YOU do not want to come to me that YOU may have life." John 5:40
"I am the door; whoever enters through me will be saved, and he will go in and out and find pasturage." John 10:9
"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." John 17:3
"Hence let no one be boasting in men; for all things belong to YOU, whether Paul or Apol'los or Ce'phas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to YOU; in turn YOU belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God." 1 Corinthians 3:21
To appreciate the level of adulation Watchtower followers are expected to have for the organization, it is revealing that the Watchtower April 2013 study article titled "Make Sure of the More Important Things" uses the term "organization" 24 times, but Jesus only 18 times. The following article then contains an image outlining the composition of the organization that does not even include Jesus, but rather the Governing Body directly below Jehovah on his throne
The Watchtower 1975 Sep 1 p.531 asks "Where could we turn if we would leave God's organization today? There is nowhere else! (John 6:66-69)". This quote refers to John for support that there is nowhere other than the Organization. However, John makes a very different point:
"Simon Peter answered him: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life."" John 6:68
One cannot help but wonder how Jesus feels having the Watchtower Society applying this Scripture to themselves, rather than to him.
CodeTemplar: Religion is now like football team to some. Players and supporters try to cover the mess of their team.
It's been like that forever. The Jehovah's witnesses claim that they are the only true religion. I dont know if they still claim that after all these child molestation case started surfacing. Over 1000 cases in Australia alone.
868,000 people are reading in their newspaper TODAY about how Jehovah's Witnesses are accused of silencing victims of child abuse - DOUBLE PAGE SPREAD The Guardian (UK), Monday, March 26, 2018 - PRINT EDITION, main section, pages 14 and 15
More than 100 people have contacted the Guardian with allegations of child sexual abuse and other mistreatment in Jehovah’s Witness communities across the UK.
Former and current members, including 41 alleged victims of child sexual abuse, described a culture of cover-ups and lies, with senior members of the organisation, known as elders, discouraging victims from coming forward for fear of bringing “reproach on Jehovah” and being exiled from the congregation and their families.
The investigation also heard from 48 people who said they had experienced other forms of abuse including physical violence when they were children, and 35 who witnessed or heard about others who were victims of child grooming and abuse.
The allegations ranged from events decades ago to others that were more recent, and many of those who came forward have now contacted the police.