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kokozain:
Thanks for this information because its an eye opener

This story is all over the news:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mich-model-shoots-her-husband-030519815.html

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/19/keego-harbor-jehovahs-witness-mom-triple-murder-suicide/351559002/

https://www.myjoyonline.com/news/2016/January-25th/shot-and-paralysed-pregnant-woman-survives-shooting-police-suspect-her-husband.php

kokozain:
This is ridiculous. Because jw people I know down here are good to be with

No doubt, many Jehovah's witnesses are very good people.
That is the side you see. What you don't see is the undercurrent process with which the leadership use to keep rank and file in tow.
For example I remember when i first heard the news that many clergymen abused young children, it took me years to believe. The internet has brought to the surface the ugly part of many religious organization. The Jehovah's witnesses are no exception.

The lesson is, if you want to join them, do not fail to ask the hard questions from whoever shows up at your door. Or you may be joining a cult without knowing it.

fifty5:
Over to segun adisa and kola olawuyi's protegee ah ah ah have forgotten that guys name indeed there is mystery under the world aaaaaaaah nkan be.

This (suicide) is a fairly common common events among Jehovah's witnesses.
Most people don't know that one will be shunned by ones father and mother and family (they will not have anything to do with you), if you are a Jehovah's witness and you change your mind about being a Jehovah's witness. They called it "Disfellowshipping"
Most witnesses are kept quiet because of this terrifying possibility

Police say Lauren Stuart, 45, shot and killed her husband Daniel, 47, and their children Steven, 27, and Bethany, 24, before turning the gun on herself
The bodies of the four family members were found inside their Keego Harbor, Michigan home Friday morning
Friends said the Stuarts had been shunned by the Jehovah's Witnesses after leaving the Christian sect five years ago
The Stuarts reportedly wanted to sent their children to college, which is banned by the group


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404467/Woman-killed-husband-2-adult-kids-killing-herself.html#ixzz57gL0T8oK
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/02/20/ex-jehovahs-witness-kills-family-then-herself-possibly-due-to-church-shunning/

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/lauren-stuart-keego-harbor-michigan-photos/

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/local/detroit/friends-jehovahs-witnesses-shunning-drove-detroit-area-mom-to-murder-suicide/520792551

SOFTENGR:
You sound like someone who has personal scores with those guys.

Yes, many families including part of mine have been torn apart.
So i am just warning any would be disciple to research and review before entering

SOFTENGR:
With what I read in there Watchtower and Awake magazines, they are definitely very educated.

Good for you.
Anyone can parrot good researches. The JW often copy from university journals but turn around and label the universities evil. That's the JW modus operandi.
Dont drink their Cool Aid

https://www.npr.org/2017/02/19/510585965/poor-education-leads-to-lost-dreams-and-low-income-for-many-jehovahs-witnesses?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170219


The article can be found in the URL above and its copied and pasted here below:

Growing up on Long Island, Zachary Linderer was obsessed with science.

He grew up a Jehovah's Witness, and like many others in the faith, he was homeschooled his whole life. By the time he got to high school, Linderer knew that he wanted to go to college for something in the sciences: physics, oceanography, something in that realm. But he realized at a young age that wasn't going to be a possibility.

"I knew that it wasn't going to be encouraged that I get an education," Linderer says. "My dad told me that he knew people who were into science, and it dragged them right out of the organization, right out of the truth."

The organization that Linderer is talking about is the Watchtower: the governing organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. The view that higher education is spiritually dangerous is very common among Witnesses, and for Linderer, it meant that his parents wouldn't support him going to college.

Still, he knew that he wanted to study, so he decided to keep his ambitions a secret and figure out a way to attend on his own. Close to high school graduation he let his plans slip to a couple of his Jehovah's Witness friends. Word got back to his family.

"When they found out, my dad and uncles made fun of me," Linderer recalls. "It really squashed my hopes. I knew I wasn't going to get their support, and without their support, it was really obvious to me at the time that I wasn't going to be able to do it on my own."

If parents and young ones are motivated to pursue divine education, the quest for higher secular education becomes less and less of an issue.
Anthony Morris III
With only a few credits left before high school graduation, Linderer dropped out. He had no prospects of education beyond high school, so getting the diploma seemed pointless. He struggled to find work after moving out of his parents' home, which eventually led him to get certified as an electrician. Still, that longing to study science haunted him.

"I think I had that feeling at 17 years old or so that that was what I wanted to be, what I needed to be," Linderer says. "There's been this hole ever since then."

From the top down

Linderer's story is a common one for children raised as Jehovah's Witnesses. Pew Research shows that only 9 percent of Witnesses get undergraduate degrees. That's well below the national average of 30.4 percent and the lowest of any faith group. The likely reason for this trend is the religion's official warnings against college.

Witness leadership declined to speak to NPR for this story, but Anthony Morris III, a member of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, outlines the organization's policies clearly in a video on the organization's website. The Watchtower Organization discourages higher education for two basic reasons.

First, higher education is spiritually dangerous. In the video, Morris warns parents that "the most intelligent and eloquent professors will be trying to reshape the thinking of your child, and their influence can be tremendous." He goes on to say that continual association with non-believers in an academic setting can "erode thinking and convictions."

Witness leadership also discourages higher education because they believe it's a waste of time. Jehovah's Witnesses have been predicting the end of the world since the religion's founding at the end of the 19th century. By their rationale, time in college would be better spent out on the streets, converting persons to become Witnesses.

Morris makes it very clear that the Watchtower organization doesn't discourage education, but rather secular education.

"If parents and young ones are motivated to pursue divine education," Morris says, "the quest for higher secular education becomes less and less of an issue."

More material problems

The lack of higher education can translate into more tangible problems for Witnesses. Pew research also shows that Jehovah's Witnesses are among the lowest earners of any religious group.

Amber McGee falls in that category. She grew up a Witness in rural Texas. Like Linderer, she was home-schooled from a young age. Her parents wanted to protect her and her siblings from worldly influences. That decision wasn't easy on her family.

"My mom, who was supposed to be our home school teacher, was not capable of doing it, emotionally mentally," McGee recalls. "She had three young children. She was by herself, very far from family, and even grocery stores and that sort of thing."

McGee's mother never finished high school herself, and the pressure of trying to teach three children was too much for her. She gave up on homeschooling them when McGee and her twin were in third grade. The kids were forced to fend for themselves using workbooks. When she had trouble with a subject, McGee says she'd just pass her work off to her twin, and vice-versa. This left both of them with significant learning disabilities.

McGee says that when she got excited about a subject, her mother would often shut her down. "I told her how much I found history fun," McGee says. "She told me, 'Well, that's not important because it doesn't have any bearing on your future, and it won't be any use in the paradise." This "paradise" refers to the heaven on earth that Witnesses believe is coming after the end of the world.

McGee barely graduated high school. In mathematics, she never made it past the seventh grade level. That's made life difficult for McGee. She's now 34 years old, and the most she's made in a year is about $14,000.

McGee and her family left the Witnesses about a year ago. They're doing better now financially, but it's still far from what McGee had hoped for her life. She had wanted to be nurse growing up, but with no support from her parents and very little education, she didn't feel it was possible. Today, she struggles with that same feeling that Linderer talked about: the feeling of being robbed of something. It's a sentiment shared by most of the more than 100 ex-Jehovah's Witnesses that I heard from while reporting this story.

Still, McGee says she isn't letting that feeling stop her from retaking her life.

"I was taught very, very young to stop dreaming, to not have dreams," McGee says, "that you'll never be a famous person or a doctor or a nurse. It's not possible. So now, as an adult, at 34 years old, I'm learning to start dreaming again."

Even if it's too late for some of her dreams, she definitely hopes to pass them on to her children.

Parents from hell sentenced the baby to die in a hospital: They refused the blood transfusion and the reason is incredible, the whole Serbia is in shock!
The Basic Public Prosecutor's Office in Pozarevac filed a criminal complaint against the parents on suspicion that they committed the criminal offense of violating family obligations.


Violation of family obligations

The Basic Public Prosecutor's Office in Pozarevac filed a criminal complaint against the parents on suspicion that they committed the criminal offense of violating family obligations - said our source.

- When the baby is recovered, the parents will be summoned to the court hearing. After collecting all the evidence, it will be estimated whether they will be trialed - said our source.

This situation occurred on 13th November in Children's Hospital in Tirsova in Belgrade when parents refused to for their child to receive a blood transfusion.

- A doctor informed the police station Savski Venac that there is a three days old baby in the department and that it needs an urgent surgery and a blood transfusion. The problem arose when the parents refused to sign the consent, saying that they are members of the religious group Jehovah's Witnesses - said the source and adds that the police had to intervene.
The father D. G. (35) was called to the police station Savski Venac. However, he said in cold blood that the won't sing any consent to give his child someone else's blood. The police spoke with mother A. G. who also refuses to give the blood to the child.

- The Social Welfare Center in Pozarevac has been informed and it was asked from them to take urgent measures because the life of a child was in danger. After consultations, the experts of the Social Welfare Center in Pozarevac said that they will give the consent for blood transfusion the moment when the doctors say that the child's life is in danger due to neglect - said the source.

- The legal service of the Children's Hospital in Tirsova sent an official report to Social Welfare Center in Pozarevac and noted that the parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and that they are against transfusion! Their custody of the baby was temporarily suspended and the hospital received a consent to treat the baby - said the source.

(Telegraf.co.uk / Alo)

You can read the entire story here:

http://www.telegraf.rs/english/2914912-parents-from-hell-sentenced-the-baby-to-die-in-a-hospital-they-refused-the-blood-transfusion-and-the-reason-is-incredible-the-whole-serbia-is-in-shock

This is the title of a chapter in the book You can live forever in paradise on earth. I have the 1989 edition of this book and along with the 1982 edition over 60,000,000 where published. It was the main study book for many years.
In the chapter the end of the world is at hand on page 154 paragraph 8 it states.
"After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things (including the end of this system) occur." (Matthew 24:34, 14) Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon. "

Don't be fooled by witnesses who say they never said the end was coming back then. They did, we were constantly on alert waiting for this system to end, just as a new generation are now doing. How many times are we to hear the end is just around the corner before some call them out as false prophets.

Holy Spirit is when you go find a job, earn money and help the needy
Holy Spirit is not when you waste time writing and quoting on Nairaland.

When your drainage is full and mosquitoes invade and you have malaria, what do you do? Pray to God.
When all farm-friendly land is converted to church and hunger invade the land, what do you do? Pray to God
When roads are bad because we’ve embezzled money allocated to repairs, what do we do? Pray to God.
We need a hell lots of prayers to god than Americans

Notatribalist:
thanks a lot sister..after seeing a lot outside I have finally realized that no organization can be compared with Jehovah's organization..thanks once again.

That’s until you read the horrifying experiences of so many here https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/

gabinogem:
Lol... Time will come people will start washing their hands off religion.

Not yet in Africa

Someone showed me this article from the watchtower written by a missionary serving in South Africa in the 1950s.

Watchtower W54 6/1 - The mind of the African.
''The New World organization, thanks to Jehovah, is provided with the “weapons of the light” and has the only successful program for renovating the mind and clothing its subjects with a changed personality conformed to Christ Jesus, the Head. Secular education, admittedly, has failed to inculcate love. False religion, likewise, has failed to teach and follow true Christian principles, and the African has not been deeply impressed by what is so often hypocritical and partial. True religion, which does not make distinctions but which operates on the basis of love and abounds in the “fruitage of the spirit,” wins his approval, respect, sympathy and co-operation. The African mind has one obvious characteristic: it is childish and imitative. The visits of African circuit servants are doing much to set a good example. What could help much would be for African brothers to mix socially with the European brothers. This is ruled out by the strict segregation arrangements in South Africa.''

Once a very fantastic group.
Now people are leaving in trickles and in droves.
Over 15,000 and growing in this subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/

Someone showed me this article from the watchtower written by a missionary serving in South Africa in the 1950s.

Watchtower W54 6/1 - The mind of the African.
''The New World organization, thanks to Jehovah, is provided with the “weapons of the light” and has the only successful program for renovating the mind and clothing its subjects with a changed personality conformed to Christ Jesus, the Head. Secular education, admittedly, has failed to inculcate love. False religion, likewise, has failed to teach and follow true Christian principles, and the African has not been deeply impressed by what is so often hypocritical and partial. True religion, which does not make distinctions but which operates on the basis of love and abounds in the “fruitage of the spirit,” wins his approval, respect, sympathy and co-operation. The African mind has one obvious characteristic: it is childish and imitative. The visits of African circuit servants are doing much to set a good example. What could help much would be for African brothers to mix socially with the European brothers. This is ruled out by the strict segregation arrangements in South Africa.''

Watchtower 1902 July 15 The Negro Not A Beast pp. 215-216.
"While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family; and also we should remember that some of the qualities which have given this branch of the human family its preeminence in the world are not such as can be pointed to as in all respects admirable. ... The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. ... Noah declared, prophetically, that Hams characteristics which had led him to unseemly conduct disrespectful to his father, would be found cropping out later, inherited by his son, and prophetically he foretold that this degeneracy would mark the posterity of Canaan, degrading him, making him servile. We are not able to determine to a certainty that the sons of Ham and Canaan are the negroes; but we consider that general view as probable as any other."

Russel had som great theories about blacks turning into white if they learned the truth, lol...

Watchtower 1904 February 15 pp.52-53
Can the Ethiopian change his skin? What the Ethiopian cannot do for himself God could readily do for him. The difference between the races of men and the differences between their languages have long been arguments against the solidarity of the human family. The doctrine of restitution has also raised the question. How could all men be brought to perfection and which color of skin was the original? The answer is now provided. God can change the Ethiopians skin in his own due time. Prof. H. A. Edwards, Supt. of Schools in Slater, Mo., has written for the public press an elaborate description of how Julius Jackson, of New Frankfurt, Mo., a negro boy of nine years, began to grow white in September, 1901, and is now fully nine-tenths white. He assures us that this is no whitish skin disease; but that the new white skin is as healthy as that of any white boy, and that the changed boy has never been sick and never has taken medicines

WHen showing the PhotoDrama of Creation colored people were segregated and put on the balcony, so they wouldn't disturb the pure white audience:

Watchtower 1914 Apr 1 p.105 "WE might have anticipated that many colored people would be deeply interested in THE PHOTO-DRAMA OF CREATION. But it did not impress itself upon us until gradually their number increased to about twenty-five per cent of the whole audience. Of course, we were glad to see them, glad that they were interested in the DRAMA. We had the same feeling respecting them as others; but it was quickly discerned that it was not a case of feeling, but that, whereas the colored people of New York City are about five per cent of the population, in our audiences they are about twenty-five per cent and the number increasing. What shall we do? As the attendance of the colored people would increase, proportionately the number of the whites would decrease; for explain it how we will, a majority of whites prefer not to intermingle closely with other races. Recognizing that it meant either the success or the failure of the enterprise of the DRAMA as respects the whites, we have been compelled to assign the colored friends to the gallery, which, however, is just as good for seeing and hearing as any other part of The Temple. Some were offended at this arrangement.

Golden Age 1929 Jul 24 p.702 (Now Awake!)
"Is there anything in the Bible that reveals the origin of the Negro? It is generally believed that the curse which Noah pronounced upon Canaan was the origin of the Black race. Certain it is that when Noah said, 'Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren,' he pictured the future of the Colored race. They have been and are a race of servants.. There is no servant in the world as good as a good Colored servant, and the joy that he gets from rendering faithful service is one of the purest joys there is in the world."

Jehovah's Witness dies after refusing blood transfusion during operation.

http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/bishop-s-stortford-jehovah-s-witness-dies-after-refusing-blood-transfusion-during-operation/story-30532846-detail/story.html

And yet another person dies.
Jehovah's Witness dies after refusing blood transfusion during operation

http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/bishop-s-stortford-jehovah-s-witness-dies-after-refusing-blood-transfusion-during-operation/story-30532846-detail/story.html

Dalam0n:
Let's keep this simple and straightforward. If the story of Adam and Eve is true as many christians here will want us to believe then what was their race?

Is'nt Oduduwa black?

ScepticalPyrrho:
His God has problems with people jerking-off, but approves of slavery...

It would burn people forever in hell as punishment for masturbating?

Sounds like a sadist...

If such god did exist, the world would be terrible.

The people who condemn masturbating you'll find out cant wait until they are behind close dooors to do what? Masturbate

All those people featured at the front of that edition of the Watchtower have passed away.
The 1914 thing is a crap

Here is part of what they believe about 1914.
I think they are now backing off from the 1914 claim.
It used to be in the "Forward" of all Awake but about 20 years ago, they remove the mention of 1914. They have seen that the maths is not adding up.


Feb 1, 1986 Watchtower page 5

The 1914 Generation
Referring to “the relatively peaceful and prosperous Victorian age of Great Britain,” former Prime Minister Harold Macmillan said that he considered ‘the world he was born in’ to be one that would get “better and better.” But “suddenly, unexpectedly, one morning in 1914 the whole thing came to an end.” Calling it the end of “100 years of peace and progress,” Macmillan recalled how World War I signaled “the end of an era” and the “start of the confusion that is still happening.” Many others, particularly those who lived through 1914 and are still alive, know this to be true.
Yes, as this magazine has drawn to the attention of its readers over the years, the evidence points to the 1914 generation as the generation spoken of by Jesus. Thus, “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the apocalypse] occur.”
Even though more than 70 years have gone by since 1914, there are still individuals around who lived through that era.

Jameslad:
Do you believe the Word of God or "Jehovah's Witness"?

I bet they'll answer "Word of God", but in reality they listen wholeheartedly to the governing body.
The next time they knock your door, pls ask the same question.

Jameslad:
The Word of God told us that if we have a misty or unclear view about a verse in the Bible, it is due to OUR OWN weakness. We need the Holy Spirit to interpret the Word of God to various aspects of our lives-the Bible is not some sort of literature or poems- as regards "This Generation", this is the understanding I've got with the Grace of my Father God(Yeah, I BELIEVE HE lives in me, Gal 2:20):

He was referring to the "perverse generation". For this generation is an evil one and the Word of God affirms that truth. As long as the generation continues, it won't pass until all is fulfilled. This generation needs Christ just as 16th century people isn't it? What's the difference?

The Word said, just like the of Noah, so would it be at His coming and He said "This Generation" will not pass, ofcourse would it? None is holy and none is righteous...apart from that context, Jesus used the Word "This Adulterous Generation"does it mean this current one is not Adulterous??

Happy Sunday

So nothing about the year 1914 or generation of some Jehovah's witnesses in the watchtower cover shown above?

Peacefullove:
Read your response again, is that what I asked you ?

Maybe you did not read mine.
Simply stated, this thread is not for you.
It's meant for the rank and file Jehovah's witnesses trying to escape from the cult. They've suffered and burdened down with so many man made rules from jw leaders.

https://www.amazon.com/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Problem-Mental-Illness/dp/9993195286/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467897871&sr=8-1&keywords=Jehovah%27s+Witnesses+mental+illness

The gb will be asking for more money in the weeks to come.
Where are the rank and file Jehovah's witnesses supposed to find this money, when already poor people are asked not to go to school and are asked to further simplify their lives and go preach?

New letters and "local need" aimed to ask for money coming soon

Peacefullove:
Do u have comprehension issues ?

Am not concerned about them , am interested in your own view . what is your own view of Matt 24:34 ? Are You ready to admit Jesus lied ?

Thread not meant for you. It's meant to provoke a discussion among jw

joyandfaith:
you are poor student of history of jw. no ship is sinking. let us wait and see.

The rate of decline is so much on the rise.
Last week was the dedication of Warwick, NY the new jw HQ, the GB announced reduction in watchtower and awake printing and end of yearbook.
You know what happened? Membership of exjw sites jumped with one site recording 250 new members in the 2 days following the dedication. exjw/reddit alone has over 15,000 heading towards 16K now.

You only need to look at the last jw yearbook and you will see that even Japan recorded decline!. That's never happened.
Africa is the only continent with net increase. But all religion is showing increase in Africa for obvious reasons.