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Jesus Christ told his 12 disciples not to go into the way of the Gentiles. So the twelve thrones Jesus Christ was referring to will be in the nation of Israel and not for the people you are gathering.
Jesus Christ stated that "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things" they "shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." Matthew 19:28.

Matthew 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

MaxInDHouse:
Before Jesus' arrival the nation of Israel has turn into two regions the northern ten tribes known as "Samaritans" and the southern two tribes with the priestly tribe known as Jews.
According to what was written in the laws God gave them through Moses the Israelites will be scattered never to return if they abandon the covenant God made with them:

"And I will scatter you among the nations, and I will unsheathe a sword after you; and your land will be made desolate, and your cities will be devastated". Leviticus 26:33

So when Jesus talked to his disciples judging the twelve tribes of Israel {Matthew 19:28} he wasn't talking about the faithless nation anymore rather he was referring to faithful people from different races throughout the world who will become descendants of Abraham through faith not birth! Matthew 3:9 compare to Matthew 8:11

What was expected of ISRAELITES when the Messiah (Christ) comes?
They're to go preaching zealously and teaching people throughout the earth about God's Kingdom which the Christ will establish, that's what could have drawn people throughout the world to them {Zechariah 8:23} but they rejected the Christ so they were cursed! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

So never again will a nation call "Israel" come together again with all the twelve tribes as God promised them. Remember God's promise to Abraham was transferred to Isaac and from Isaac to Jacob but as for the promise of God's Kingdom it was to be for the nation as a whole not in part, therefore since they've been scattered among the nations nothing is going to bring them back.

Listen to what they told Pontius Pilate (Roman governor) who was totally CONFUSED when they were determined to kill Jesus:

At that all the people said in answer: “Let his blood come upon us and upon our children" Matthew 27:25

So my friend, that nation has lost it that's why you're seeing Jehovah's Witnesses organization gathering people throughout the earth, teaching them what God promised in the Bible, settling all their racial disparities, diverting their resources into production of food and information materials, erasing racism, politics and military services from their hearts and convincing them in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth to vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

This is what was expected of the Israelites had it been they accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
So you can wait until then but we are busy now gathering faithful people throughout the earth under the control of Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

You said the 12 tribes of Israel "will be scattered never to come back again as a nation". But there are still some of them today and Jesus Christ stated that "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things" they "shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." Matthew 19:28.

But you believe the tribes of Israel have been scattered never to come back again as a nation. Don't you see you are wrong and not following what Jesus Christ has promised.

What kind of faithful people are you gathering? Until you show a gathering of people that is like the one Jesus Christ expects, if not not the people you are gathering is not for Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
The only way you can prove that Jesus of Nazareth is not the real Messiah to me is just by presenting the nation of complete twelve tribes known as "Israel"
Because according to Jesus of Nazareth Israel has been condemned {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} meaning they will be scattered never to come back again as a nation. Luke 11:23
So until you're able to find the twelve tribes nation of Israel Jesus Christ of Nazareth remains the one and only authentic Messiah! Matthew 16:13-16

The twelve tribes are scattered all over the world and when the REAL MESSIAH comes He will gather all of them back together. And even your Messiah has also stated about coming back and sitting upon twelve thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1:1

"ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." Matthew 19:28

MaxInDHouse:
The only way you can prove that Jesus of Nazareth is not the real Messiah to me is just by presenting the nation of complete twelve tribes known as "Israel"
Because according to Jesus of Nazareth Israel has been condemned {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} meaning they will be scattered never to come back again as a nation. Luke 11:23
So until you're able to find the twelve tribes nation of Israel Jesus Christ of Nazareth remains the one and only authentic Messiah! Matthew 16:13-16

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK!

IT'S NOT OK UNTIL IT'S OK : For you to know the REAL MESSIAH:

“How can I prove that Jesus is not the messiah?”

The Jewish Messiah is supposed to do the following three things, in this order. After that Elijah returns.

Bring all Jews to Israel as it is said “and I shall gather my people unto me”.
During his lofetime there were very large Jewish comunities living in Babylon, Medina (Arabia), Egypt, Syria, and Ethiopia.
The Jews were further dispersed after Jesus lifetime therefore this was made worse after he died.

Establish world peace as prophesized by the Lamb and Wolf lying together.
During his lifetime Judea was involved in a civil war between many different factions. Around the world there were many wars being fought by Rome, Persia etc.
The Jews were involved in a war with Rome after his lifetime. Therefore this situation was made worse in the years following his lifetime.

Build/Inaguarate the Eternal Temple as proohesized in Ezekiel.
The second Temple was still standing im his lifetime.
The Temple fell after his death.

Furthermore Malachi states that Elijah is supposed to return before the coming of The Messiah. This is called the great day of The Lord. The Messiah is not God, but he together with Elijah heralds the final judgement.
Did not happen.
Elijah did not return to bring parents close to their children.

Jesus did not do even the first thing. In fact the closest person who has come closest to doing what The Messiah needs to do in the history of the world is President Chaim Azriel Weitzman of Israel. He was most certainly not The Messiah, but he did more to fulfill the first requirement than anyone else. Even so he did not meet the first requirement fully. No one has yet.
There are Jews outside of Israel, and there have been Jews living outside of Israel since the First Kingdom of Shaul was founded.
There has been a perpetual state of war since Babylon and Egypt were founded. (All of recorded human history).
The Eternal Temple as prophesized in Ezekiel has not been built.
https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-prove-that-Jesus-is-not-the-messiah

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK!

OK. This should educate you on the REAL MESSIAH:

“How can I prove that Jesus is not the messiah?”

The Jewish Messiah is supposed to do the following three things, in this order. After that Elijah returns.

Bring all Jews to Israel as it is said “and I shall gather my people unto me”.
During his lofetime there were very large Jewish comunities living in Babylon, Medina (Arabia), Egypt, Syria, and Ethiopia.
The Jews were further dispersed after Jesus lifetime therefore this was made worse after he died.

Establish world peace as prophesized by the Lamb and Wolf lying together.
During his lifetime Judea was involved in a civil war between many different factions. Around the world there were many wars being fought by Rome, Persia etc.
The Jews were involved in a war with Rome after his lifetime. Therefore this situation was made worse in the years following his lifetime.

Build/Inaguarate the Eternal Temple as proohesized in Ezekiel.
The second Temple was still standing im his lifetime.
The Temple fell after his death.

Furthermore Malachi states that Elijah is supposed to return before the coming of The Messiah. This is called the great day of The Lord. The Messiah is not God, but he together with Elijah heralds the final judgement.
Did not happen.
Elijah did not return to bring parents close to their children.

Jesus did not do even the first thing. In fact the closest person who has come closest to doing what The Messiah needs to do in the history of the world is President Chaim Azriel Weitzman of Israel. He was most certainly not The Messiah, but he did more to fulfill the first requirement than anyone else. Even so he did not meet the first requirement fully. No one has yet.
There are Jews outside of Israel, and there have been Jews living outside of Israel since the First Kingdom of Shaul was founded.
There has been a perpetual state of war since Babylon and Egypt were founded. (All of recorded human history).
The Eternal Temple as prophesized in Ezekiel has not been built.
https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-prove-that-Jesus-is-not-the-messiah

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't say we won't have enemies but we should consider them as ignorant of what they are doing. So even though you're my enemy that doesn't mean i should hate you! Matthew 5:43-48

Some of your enemies here are those who are not misinformed beleivers like yourself beleiving a FAKE story of a messiah written about 2000 years ago to control the minds of gullible people today and you are still helping them to do so.

MaxInDHouse:
Definitely you don't understand the message and you won't accept it if i want to teach you because it involves Jesus Christ whom you hate with passion.
So keep the part you understand while i also keep what i know!

I don't hate Jesus, all I have been saying is that the stories about Him were made up.

But you that love Jesus Christ with passion, yet any one that does not agree with your misinformation you have made your enemy.

MaxInDHouse:
Is this how you're promote your own truth?
"My enemy's enemy automatically becomes my friend"

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the LORD that was prised?
And why prise the one called "LORD"?

Where is the potter here in Matthew?
Matthew 27:5-6
5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple".
6 "And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury

Exodus 21:32 Under the law the price for a slave was thirty pieces of silver. Jesus was not a slave so Zechariah 11:12-13 was not referring to Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i can never admit that what i said is wrong!

Can you see how difficult it is for you to drive home your point against what the Christians believe?

Well until you're able to explain who is the LORD that was PRISED, let's leave the matter the way it is!

If you read from Zechariah 11:10-13 you will see that it has nothing to do with Judas betraying Jesus in Matthew 26:15

Zechariah 11:10-13
10 Then I took my staff called Favor and cut it in two, showing that I had revoked the covenant I had made with all the nations.

11 That was the end of my covenant with them. The suffering flock was watching me, and they knew that the LORD was speaking through my actions.

12 And I said to them, “If you like, give me my wages, whatever I am worth; but only if you want to.” So they counted out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

13 And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the pottera”—this magnificent sum at which they valued me! So I took the thirty coins and threw them to the potter in the Temple of the LORD.

Did the LORD ask Judas to cast money to the potter?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm now referring to your version of that quote which says:

the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them

I'm not saying it's Jesus but who is the LORD that was PRISED?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the LORD that was prised?
And why prise the one called "LORD"?

Exodus 21:32 Under the law the price for a slave was thirty pieces of silver. Jesus was not a slave so Zechariah 11:12-13 was not referring to Jesus.

13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Zechariah 11:12-13 did not mention anyone being betrayed. There were other people doing business in the Temple at the time of Jesus so there is no proof that this verse was about Judas.
The Temple had:
Those who bought and sold.
Money changers.
Those who sold their tithes and brought the money to the temple

MaxInDHouse:
At least three things correlates:
[1] 30 pieces of silver.
[2] money for the value of someone.
[3] treasury.

The priest knew that it's not the treasury that matters rather it's cash belonging to someone who purposely threw it in the temple, such money belongs nowhere than the treasury that's why they diverted it elsewhere but any money found in the temple automatically ends up in the treasury!

But that doesn't answer the question i asked you, what does verse 13 means?

MaxInDHouse:
I would have admitted had it been you're able to explain what the next verse is all about:

"Then Jehovah said to me: “Throw it into the treasury—the magnificent value with which they valued me.” So I took the 30 pieces of silver and threw it into the treasury at the house of Jehovah.

Show where it says in the New Testament that the 30 pieces of silver were thrown in the treasury?

Matthew 27:5-6
5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple".
6 "And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury"

Emusan:
Still priding in ignorance!
Define criminal and let the devil be ashamed

You are the one who is very ignorant, if not you will know that your forefathers who resisted the Europeans when they came and occupied their lands were not criminals but were into a battle to defend their village.

God has commanded the Jews
610. Not to panic and retreat during battle.
(Deuteronomy 20:3)

And that was what most of the Jews did at the time the Romans were occupying the Holy land of Israel and this was why the Romans crucified thousands of Jews.

It is you level of ignorance that will not allow you to read Jewish history but instead you believe the made up stories of the New Testament about 2000 years ago which is being used to control your mind today.

I do try to manage my time here intelligently and so I don't respond to each and every section of a post. I only respond to posts that are worth responding to as l have noticed that there are a lot of jokers and agents of satan that post comments just to start a senseless argument here.

On the issue of crucifixion I was only correcting you that the other two with Jesus on the cross were not criminals as the Romans did not use crucifixion for criminals.

I did floor you when you claimed that Zechariah 11:12 was referring to Judas collecting his wages for betraying Jesus and instead of admitting you were wrong, you decided to post an unintelligent answer.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala, just leave the comments for others to read and see which one appeals to reason, one thing is certain where truth works out lies will forever remain idle in the minds of those carrying it in their heads!

MaxInDHouse:
Why not stand on your point that there was no CRUCIFIXION (execution by the use of CROSS) in ancient Rome?

Let me enlighten you on how and why JWs makes the strongest disciples in their group!

Intelligent people don't fall for jokers who are looking for community support, on the contrary strong disciples are made when you show consistency, focus and determination.

But when someone condemns the right thing you said and instead of proving your point as valid and indisputable you leave that and start chasing shadows the way you just did here then intelligent individuals will never take you seriously!

In the first century Romans don't execute criminals on CROSSES that's indisputable fact but i choose not to respond to the misinformed Churchgoer because he's only looking for someone with whom he can exchange words. His other moniker with which he's promoting Deeperlife is boring and deserted so he's trying to call my attention and i'm not going to give him that!

You are the one that prides in ignorance! If not you would know that someone who resists against a foreign army occupying their nation is not a criminal and this is the reason they were called Jewish zealots and not criminals as they were resisting the occupation of the Holy land Israel by the Roman army.

The link I posted made it clear that "Crucifixion was most frequently used to punish political or religious agitators, pirates, slaves, or those who had no civil rights."

So it is wise to say that as the crucifixion was in Israel that the other two on the cross with Jesus were Jewish zealots who were resisting Roman occupation of their nation Israel.

Emusan:
Funny enough!

Your claimed was "There are no historical records of Jews or Romans using crucifixion for criminals"

Who is a CRIMINAL?

You even provided a link that goes against your claim and you still think you have a point.

I don't know why you people always try to pride in ignorance!

God has commamnded in the Torah:
580. Not to add to the Torah commandments or their oral explanations.
(Deuteronomy 13:1).
581. Not to diminish any commandments from the Torah, in whole or in part.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)
45. Not to fear killing a false prophet.
(Deuteronomy 18:22)
136. To take procedures against a suspected adultress.
(Numbers 5:30)
610. Not to panic and retreat during battle.
(Deuteronomy 20:3)

How did Jesus fulfill the laws? God never told Moses that He is going to send His son to come and fulfill the laws so that they are no longer under obligation to keep it.

The New Testament is just a New Book placed on the Old Testament about 2000 years ago to make it look like a fulfillment of the OLD Testament when the truth is that it has nothing to do with the Old Testament. Hollywood can even do a much better job of creating a New and better story of the New Testament today than the bad job done about 2000 years ago where all the prophecies claimed to be fulfilled in the New Testament do not relate to the Old Testament.

Ken4Christ:
The word fulfill in this context means to bring the law to a justified end. And this he did when he met the demands of justice by dying on the cross.

They were to keep obeying the law until it is fulfilled. Now that it is fulfilled, they are no longer under obligation to keep it.

Hence, the scripture says that;

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.

In another place, it says;

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Even the Jews that were given the law has been delivered from it;

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Romans 7:6 But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Those who still try to keep the law put themselves in bondage. Hence, Paul wrote;

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the YOKE OF BONDAGE.

Emusan:
This is pure lie!

Many historical records of crucifixion are available.

Also, there's archeological evidence of crucifixion.

For which crimes did Romans use crucifixion?

Crucifixion was most frequently used to punish political or religious agitators, pirates, slaves, or those who had no civil rights.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/crucifixion-capital-punishment

MaxInDHouse:
This is a response for you!

But instead of standing on what you think you know, it's another person's quote that you're thinking about!

Is this how you're promote your own truth?

"My enemy's enemy automatically becomes my friend"

No friendship. He's a misinformed poster as he is the one lying

Emusan:
When in reality you're the misinformed Hallgoer here!

MaxInDHouse: The misinformed Hallgoer or Hellgoer!

MaxInDHouse:
There's a difference between salary and wages the salary is basic whether the employee is engaged in a service or not his presence is required always so he's paid for that, but the wages is for a specific job that is done within a timeframe and once the service is rendered there's no further incentive other than the pay that's exactly what Judas got for the service he rendered!

You are very very wrong. Judas did not get paid wages for a specific job. Judas was given thirty pieces of silver before he handed Jesus over. So the truth is that you are just making up stories just to back up a FAKE event to deceive the gullible ones.

Matthew 26:14-16
14 Then one of the Twelve—the one called Judas Iscariot—went to the chief priests
15 and asked, “What are you willing to give me if I deliver him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty pieces of silver.
16 From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.

May you have sense to understand that the Old Testament Prophecies has nothing to do with the New Testament stories that were made up about 2000 years ago to control the minds of gullible people today

Zechariah 11:12 Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

This verse was referring to wages, did Judas ask for his wages?

There are no historical records of Jews or Romans using crucifixion for criminals.

Also there are no Jewish or Roman custom to release a criminal on the passover

MaxInDHouse:
The underlined is a LIE Sir!
The Romans were colonizing the Jews so they use their own laws to rule the Jews that's why criminals that does anything worth executing were executed by the Romans!



When reading the Bible try to read the whole verses so you can gain insight!

I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter" —the handsome price at which they valued me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the house of the LORD. Zechariah 11:12-13

Please Sir can you explain what the highlighted in red means?
And why throw the silver money in the Lord's house? Matthew 27:5

Who was taking notes of the conversations between Jesus and the other two on the cross?
The Romans only crucified Jewish zealots fighting against their occupation of Israel. So the two on the cross with Jesus were not thieves.

How does this relate to Jesus: Zechariah 11:12 I told them, “If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.

MaxInDHouse:
Once again you missed the import of Jesus' word!

He is telling the Jews that if they should fail to act on any of the things those prophets of old said they will not inherit God's Kingdom. He is not saying the mosaic laws is what will be required in God's Kingdom, rather what he meant is that Jews should the mindful of all the prophecies pointing to the Messiah.

For instance it happened to one of his own disciples (Judas Iscariot) who wasn't mindful of what was recorded in the prophets about the Messiah. Judas accepted Jesus as the Christ (Messiah) but what about the prophecies that talked about the Messiah?

The prophecies say that the Messiah will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver {Zechariah 11:12:13} had it been Judas kept what those prophets said at heart he would have regain his senses when they told him that he will be paid 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus Christ! Matthew 26:14-15

Again the Christ will be counted among the transgressors! Isaiah 53:12
That's what came to the mind of that thief who was executed along with Jesus, so instantly he looked unto Jesus and begged "Please Jesus remember me when you get to your kingdom" {Luke 23:42} and Jesus realized that this guy has gotten the sense of what the prophets said so immediately Jesus granted that man's request! Luke 23:43

That's what Jesus meant when he said:

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

YES! Jesus' life fulfilled many things the laws and prophets said about the Messiah!

Jesus’ declaration was that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, not to abolish them (Matthew 5:17).
Jesus said: “Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19)

This clearly shows that the Old Testament Laws are a requirement for the kingdom of heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
The Mosaic laws is for the nation of Israel not the Kingdom of God. That's why God told them that a prophet like Moses will be raised among them who will teach them how to live forever! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

The Samaritan woman told Jesus that that's what they are expecting! John 4:25

Peter confirmed that Jesus is that promised Messiah (Christ) whom God foretold through Moses! Act 3:22

So the laws given to the Israelites was to guide them until the Messiah (Christ) comes it's not the constitution we are going to use in God's Kingdom!

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MaxInDHouse:
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. Matthew 23:37-38

Jesus Christ was against GOD's command in Matthew 23:37-38, when:

God commanded the Jews:
45. Not to fear killing a false prophet.
(Deuteronomy 18:22)

Is Jesus not Himself divided against the Kingdom of GOD, when Jesus Himself said "a Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand" Mark 3:24.

The Messiah is coming to keep all that GOD has commanded in the Torah and not to diminish any commandments from the Torah but Jesus Christ did not keep all the Laws of the Torah instead He changed some of them when GOD commanded:

136. To take procedures against a suspected adultress.
(Numbers 5:30)

580. Not to add to the Torah commandments or their oral explanations.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)

581. Not to diminish any commandments from the Torah, in whole or in part.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)

610. Not to panic and retreat during battle.
(Deuteronomy 20:3)

May you have sense to understand the Torah

MaxInDHouse:
The Messiah (Christ) must not overstep the standard God set! Matthew 5:17

Note that God promised the Israelites that He will only continue to protect their land if they stick to the covenant between Himself and that nation! Deuteronomy 28:15-68

That's why the Messiah could say to them:



“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. Matthew 23:37-38

According to God's word no prophet should pray for Jerusalem if the people refuse to abide by the covenant:

The one refusing to listen to the law —Even his prayer is detestable! Proverbs 28:9

“As for you, do not pray in behalf of this people. Do not cry out in their behalf or offer a prayer for them, for I will not be listening when they call out to me because of their calamity. Jeremiah 11:14

Then Jehovah said to me: “Do not pray for good to come to this people. When they fast, I do not listen to their entreaties, and when they offer whole burnt offerings and grain offerings, I take no pleasure in them, for by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence, I will do away with them.” Jeremiah 14:11-12

That's why Jesus Christ only pray for those who listens to the instructions he gave them:

because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me. I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those whom you have given me, because they are yours! John 17:8-9

So Jesus Christ of Nazareth perfectly followed God's arrangement as planned after mankind's fall in the garden of Eden, it's the Israelites that failed to grasp the purpose of the Messiah thinking he should be a nepotist who only came to rescue their nation alone! Luke 4:23

May you have PEACE!

From your posts you are the one reading the Bible as a story book and then making children's story out of it.
If Jesus Christ is the expected Messiah then He would have prevented the Temple in Jerusalem from being destroyed rather he predicted that the temple will be destroyed and the Roman Empire occupying Israel at the time later destroyed it.

Jesus Christ did not keep all the Laws of the Torah instead He changed some of them when GOD commanded:

136. To take procedures against a suspected adultress.
(Numbers 5:30)

580. Not to add to the Torah commandments or their oral explanations.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)

581. Not to diminish any commandments from the Torah, in whole or in part.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)

610. Not to panic and retreat during battle.
(Deuteronomy 20:3)

May you have sense to understand the Torah

MaxInDHouse:
Just allow others read our comments and SEE for themselves who got the sense in God's word! Proverbs 2:1-5

MaxInDHouse:
That is why you need to STUDY the Bible not just read it like a story book!

From the beginning God never intended that a race or nation among Adam's descendants should be rated above another rather mankind supposed to be one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally serving the same God! Genesis 1:28
So one thing led to another that's why God has to pick one nation out of all others {Exodus 19:5} then set up a standard of how He wanted people to cohabit without hurting one another, so the Israelites were to later extend God's message to all other nations who are still in darkness under Satan's system of things {Zechariah 8:23} It's the duty of the Messiah to organize his people (Israelites) train them {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} on how to go about making the whole earth one family {Isaiah 2:2-4} so that we will all worship God shoulder to shoulder as if we're speaking just one language for perfect understanding {Zephaniah 3:9} he wasn't sent to start killing one race in support of another race, so he is not supposed to be a political RACIST!

The only reason why God chose the Israelites is for the campaign to rehabilitate mankind and that has to start from a small scale as in a nation must first be liberated out of Satan's system, otherwise there will always be hatred if the Messiah should go about killing others like a racist in fact all other nations will lay down their lives for their own nation so if the so called Messiah can kill everyone so that only Israelites will survive the planet they won't care. But since he's not a racist that's why he's trying to help the Israelites realize that his mission totally differs from what they are thinking.

MaxInDHouse:
By the time Rome was ruling the world God has already declared that seven nations will rule over the earth until the appointed time when the Messiah will take over from the last world power! Daniel 2:37-45

Starting with Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Medo-Persians, Greece, Rome, English-American, by the time the Messiah arrived the earth it was the 6 system of government under Satan's trial of systems that's ruling the world the first five has fallen! Revelations 17:10

So when the Messiah arrived his first assignment was to organize the Israelites (Jews) train them and commission a global campaign team against Satan's system of government {Matthew 10:6} that's what Bible called the Good News of God's Kingdom! Matthew 24:14

But most Jews were expecting a King who will lead them to war against their so called enemies but the Messiah told them mankind has just one enemy: Satan the devil! Matthew 5:43-48

With the counsel of the Christ {Isaiah 9:6} nobody will raise a weapon in support of anyone against another {Isaiah 2:2-4} but all these must follow due process because the true God is not a bully He wants everyone to grasp what is happening! Isaiah 1:18

May you have PEACE!

From your posts you are the one reading the Bible as a story book and then making children's story out of it.
If Jesus Christ is the expected Messiah then He would have prevented the Temple in Jerusalem from being destroyed rather he predicted that the temple will be destroyed and the Roman Empire occupying Israel at the time later destroyed it.

Jesus Christ did not keep all the Laws of the Torah instead He changed some of them when GOD commanded:

136. To take procedures against a suspected adultress.
(Numbers 5:30)

580. Not to add to the Torah commandments or their oral explanations.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)

581. Not to diminish any commandments from the Torah, in whole or in part.
(Deuteronomy 13:1)

610. Not to panic and retreat during battle.
(Deuteronomy 20:3)

May you have sense to understand the Torah

MaxInDHouse:
That is why you need to STUDY the Bible not just read it like a story book!

From the beginning God never intended that a race or nation among Adam's descendants should be rated above another rather mankind supposed to be one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally serving the same God! Genesis 1:28
So one thing led to another that's why God has to pick one nation out of all others {Exodus 19:5} then set up a standard of how He wanted people to cohabit without hurting one another, so the Israelites were to later extend God's message to all other nations who are still in darkness under Satan's system of things {Zechariah 8:23} It's the duty of the Messiah to organize his people (Israelites) train them {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} on how to go about making the whole earth one family {Isaiah 2:2-4} so that we will all worship God shoulder to shoulder as if we're speaking just one language for perfect understanding {Zephaniah 3:9} he wasn't sent to start killing one race in support of another race, so he is not supposed to be a political RACIST!

The only reason why God chose the Israelites is for the campaign to rehabilitate mankind and that has to start from a small scale as in a nation must first be liberated out of Satan's system, otherwise there will always be hatred if the Messiah should go about killing others like a racist in fact all other nations will lay down their lives for their own nation so if the so called Messiah can kill everyone so that only Israelites will survive the planet they won't care. But since he's not a racist that's why he's trying to help the Israelites realize that his mission totally differs from what they are thinking.

MaxInDHouse:
By the time Rome was ruling the world God has already declared that seven nations will rule over the earth until the appointed time when the Messiah will take over from the last world power! Daniel 2:37-45

Starting with Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Medo-Persians, Greece, Rome, English-American, by the time the Messiah arrived the earth it was the 6 system of government under Satan's trial of systems that's ruling the world the first five has fallen! Revelations 17:10

So when the Messiah arrived his first assignment was to organize the Israelites (Jews) train them and commission a global campaign team against Satan's system of government {Matthew 10:6} that's what Bible called the Good News of God's Kingdom! Matthew 24:14

But most Jews were expecting a King who will lead them to war against their so called enemies but the Messiah told them mankind has just one enemy: Satan the devil! Matthew 5:43-48

With the counsel of the Christ {Isaiah 9:6} nobody will raise a weapon in support of anyone against another {Isaiah 2:2-4} but all these must follow due process because the true God is not a bully He wants everyone to grasp what is happening! Isaiah 1:18

May you have PEACE!

The post below is an example of how they can trouble someone with a bright furture:

Alaigbopress:
There is one of my brother who was a Student of University of Port-Harcourt before he had a problem. "What is the problem", he developed a kind of mental problem, not that he is insane he is accurate in all his wordings but all his actions are pointing towards traditional stuff combined with Jewish tradition and Mosaic Laws. He developed this hatred for church and even goes violent trying to turn out house to his temple.

The guy is very intelligent, infact he was the head Boy of their set in Federal Government College Enugu during their set.

HellVictorinho4:
HellVictorinho4 is confused.

Life is beyond HellVictorinho4 life because you're not the only one alive.

HellVictorinho4 Keep deceiving yourself

Beleiving in just God with science and technology without religion and to be wise is the best way to go.

This is religion for you:
610. Not to panic and retreat during battle—Deuteronomy 20:3

611. Keep the laws of the captive woman—Deuteronomy 21:11

612. Not to sell her into slavery—Deuteronomy 21:14

613. Not to retain her for servitude after having relations with her—Deuteronomy 21:14