cdoffx:

As i can see you tactically answered my question without addressing the key points in it, rest my case modupe
However could you pls tell me how the wedding dress of your GS daughter in law is a sign of conformity with the world?

plaetton:

How do you know it was god that provided the miracle?

For all you know, it could have been satan, the tooth fairy, or ancestral spirits that provided the so-called miracle.

Why so quick to give the credit to god.
How about the disaster itself, who was responsible for allowing it to happen?
I am assuming .........?

Syncan:

Ok, sorry for bothering.

Syncan:

modupe01:


Can you refer me to where I saw you as the world?

modupe01:

The reaction of the world doesn't decide the truth for me. Church tradition, people's experience, self righteousness or impose righteousness doesn't take us to heaven, faith in the atoning blood of the Lamb does.

alexleo:

Its not good at all. Some members of my church do that too. Its too bad. When you believe its only your church people that are holy then you are committing a grievious sin called PRIDE.

Bidam:

Modupe should not see other Christian brothers and sisters as worldly.It's a gross error and deeper life am afraid are guilty of such.

bukatyne:

Lol! at thread.

I believe 'essentials' and 'non-essentials' will depend from person to person or from church to church

Syncan:

Well, let me go no further, for I see nothing really to argue about. However I feel there's something wrong when in a religious discussion,I refer to you as "Sis" but you see me as the "world".

cdoffx:

sorry to your uttermost disappointment i'm not an extravagant person and its not by any church tradition but simply because i love a simple way of dressing, general life of moderation and moseso i love the the way my G.O Pst Adeboye and his wife dresses, however i didn't say because his wife don't use earrings my wife shouldn't i don't see anything wrong in it, but ironically my fiancee don't use it cos from birth she has no hole in her ear(she isn't a deeper life nor even close to at all).

cdoffx:

So was d dress d daughter in law of Papa Kumuyi wearing revealing.
Makeups, my G.O said he didn't see anywhere it was written in d bible not to paint your face and the likes however he realised that the only person recorded doing such in the bible was Jezebel hence it would do you good not to associate with Jezebel. Nice one!

cdoffx:

However i would say let your heart convince you personally since its not an established biblical doctrine but to further disappoint you as to my own personal opinion on it. I don't like ladies who use it maybe cos my mother don't use it and since a little part of you tend to crave for partners who exhibit something you like from your parent. I don't know but its definitely not because my G.O point of view on it since its not a standard biblical doctrine.
What am i trying to tell you. Our G.Os are human being with their different opinions on life issue(i mean non standard biblical doctrine) so having now to always see issues from my G.Os personal opinion is synonymous to me just calling him every morning to tell me how i should spend my day meaning i have no reasoning of my own.

cdoffx:

Finally if you say using makeup is worldliness which i'm sure you'll quickly use my illustration of Jezebel to assert your point then you should also agree with me riding of cars is worldly since Ahab who is Jezebel's husband rode one(royal chariot) and God empowered Elijah to run ahead of him perhaps because God don't want Elijah to partake in the sinful riding of a chariot with the king(NB Jesus rode a colt and not a horse driven chariot which could be likened to motorcycle since he has no covering over his head)should in case you want to refer to that.

Syncan:

Dear Sis, I really didn't expect you to go this far, had thought you'll take the cue from the way I wrote last and let it pass, since you actually have nothing at stake in it. You can see the reaction that followed your insistence, anyway, this part seems interesting from one of the post.

cdoffx:

though i'm a christian, i respect Pastor Kumuyi and i do attend deeper life fellowship while on campus. I must say you're totally biased and showing outright hypocrity which would not make anyone take you serious.

cdoffx:

Imagine after someone quoted the wedding dressing of the wife and you called that worldliness while you earlier talked about what we wear or not being non essential. Are you confused?

cdoffx:

From what Papa Kumuyi said in that message there's nothing wrong with what the wife is dressed like according to the bible doctrine but wrong according to the church tradition and since the father in law being a part of the church hence the punishment.

cdoffx:

Now back to you, the dressing conduct of the wife was made mention of and minding the fact that she didn't dress in any revealing dressing, you called it worldliness then i can assume you don't ride in whatsoever type of car, nor use whatsoever type of cream, nor ever wish to travel abroad since that will amount to travelling to the capital of worldliness. Madam you're an hypocrite

italo:

@ Syncan, perhaps she has forgotten this post. Hypocrisy will always lead to sharp contradictions.

Syncan:

Modupe01, modupe01, modupe01, how many times did i call you? So style of wedding gown na worldliness, but "style of music we play" is non-essential abi? heeeen! heeeen! heeen!

italo:
Okay. You say "The Lord's supper" is an "essential doctrine." Essential doctrine number two.

If I dont receive your symbolic "Lord's supper," but I receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church (which we call the actual body and blood of Christ), do I believe in Christ?

So when Peter cut off the ear of the soldier, he didnt believe in God?

italo:

What has Syncan mentioned that has anything to do with adultery?

Why are you deliberately talking rubbish instead of keeping quiet if you dont have a good answer?

italo:

Besides, first, you said there was only one "essential" doctrine. Now you are adding more. You are confused, arent you?

What I'm just saying is that there are some of these things…we call them non-essentials. When it
comes to essential things - that's the doctrine, that's the Word of God. Jesus is Savior. There's no
other Savior. That's central. But as to the kind of music and the kind of approach and this
tradition and this tradition and the sisters wearing a cap and others wearing a scarf and wearing
this and wearing that…cover your unclothedness. Then let's move on and do the work of God
together.

italo:

You said if we just believed in Jesus, Christians can differ on other things. Now I believe in Jesus and I apply make up...and you are still not okay.

Syncan:

Haba, you no know?

1. Style of wedding gown worn by his daughter
2. his daughter's leaving part of her hair visible to prying eyes, even though she wore some covering
3. his daughter's application of visible facial make-up etc.
You may just google about the wedding if you missed it,to find more. The "sins" are numerous yet they all fall under the "non essential" stuff you talk about. The man's daughter wedded Kumuyi's son, and got axed for these "non essential" things.

italo:

Jesus said if you dont eat his flesh and drink his blood, you will not have life.

Do you believe this...yes or no?

Is it one of your "essential doctrines"...yes or no?

Is it possible to believe in God and not forgive your neighbour...yes or no?

Is it possible to believe in God and not love your neighbour...yes or no?

ledafaze:

I wont say more than this....

Pray for God to open your eyes just a bit for a like 2 seconds... then right beside you... in ur room... beside ur bed... u will marvel at what you will see... Beware!

escavros:

I closed my eyes to listen to them sing with my headphones on, and my conclusion is... "I really have to make heaven."

"Praise the Lord it's four yes(s)"
God can do that to anyone.

Jesus is Lord forever and ever and Amen.

Syncan:

Ok, Just that it now makes me wonder why almost ten years later, Pastor Odih, the father inlaw of Kumuyi's son, was axed from his position for "Non essential" things. Yet the preacher and the hearers are still alive.

italo:

So this is the only essential doctrine of Christianity...believing in Jesus to be saved?

italo:

Some "christians" say Jesus is God; some say he is man. You are saying we should just believe in him...it doesnt matter who he is?

italo:

Jesus said those who dont eat his flesh and drink his blood will not have life. You are saying even if we dont eat or drink we have life as long as we believe?

italo:

Paul said LOVE is greater than Faith and Hope. You are saying love is not even necessary to make heaven, only FAITH?

modupe01:

A WARNING TO ALL PARENTS AND GUARDIANS!

•Warn your daughter never to sit on anyone’s laps no matter the relationship, even uncles.

•Avoid getting dressed in front of your child once he/she is 2years old. Learn to excuse yourself.

•If you have to hire a house-help, kindly take them for HIV screening to determine their status, properly interview them and make up your mind to treat them well. Although does not really encourage this practice.

•Never allow any adult refer to your new born as ‘my wife’ or ‘my husband’.

•Never tempt your husband with your sister or friend or else he’d say it's hers and the devil’s fault.

•Avoid unnecessary familiarity with the opposite sex and make sure you take care of your husband/wife yourself so as not to lead him into temptation.

•Whenever your child goes out to play with friends, make sure you look for a way to find out the kind of play they played together, as young people sexually abuse themselves now.

•Never force your child to visit any adult he/she is not comfortable with and also be observant if your child becomes fond of a particular adult.

•Once a very lively child suddenly becomes withdrawn, you might need to patiently ask a lot of questions.

•If you don’t teach your children about sex, the society will teach them the wrong values and most likely, in very hard ways.

•It's always advisable you go through any new material like cartoons you buy for them before they start seeing it themselves.

•Teach your 3-year-olds how to wash their private parts properly and warn them never to allow anyone, including you, touch those areas. Remember, charity begins at home and with YOU.

•Blacklist all materials you think could threaten the sanity of your child, that is, music, movies and musicians, and let them understand the value of standing out of the crowd.

•Once your child complains about a particular person, don’t keep quiet about it. Take up the case and show you can always defend him/her!

*Now, if you find this useful enough, SHARE WITH OTHERS.

scaler345:

Either we boil a kid in its mother's milk or not? Just passing....sorry! Essential or not?

Syncan:

Abeg no vex o, when was this message given, before or after his son's "controversial" wedding?

italo:

What about baptism and holy communion for example...are they essential or non essential?