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Can't we all just get along together??

Have a meaningful but challenging debate about each others views / religions / whatevers?

Religion should be religion - all together whatever you are.

Otherwise do you want to start creating a thread for Yoruba, and for Igbo , and for Hausa etc etc etc

In fact I want one just for me!

I hear you about the Imams as well, Any of them who have power over and control their congreagation for the wrong reasons are also there to be condemned.

Obviously I am generalising, Not all Politicians are corrupt (maybe?!?) and not all Pastors are thiefs, but far far far far far too many in Nigeria are.

If you think you know a good one then shout about it, but don't get angry about people condemning the ones who are BAD. As a christian you should be doing the same, i think that Jeses got pretty upset about all the business etc in the synagogues, Maybe Pastor Chris has a message (honestly i've listened to him a few times and I'm yet to hear one) but his performances / merchandising etc look more like business than spirituality to me.

I would have a lot more time for your argument if you did not defend the ones who are obviously just 419 men in suits with bibles in their hands!

My Wife and I came up to the front together at our wedding to Bob Marley - ONE LOVE,

Unfortunately the dip stick DJ made an error so before we had finished it moved on to the next song which was "I SHOT THE SHERIFF", you had to laugh!!

@ baby4u2

I'm interested by your comments, and frankly kinda scared.

My first point is WHY do so many people seem to think that they should give blindly to the church and then it's none of your business. In my view the church should be about the people who are in it. As a result they should be the ones who COLLECTIVELY take control of any offering and ensure that it is used for GODS work! i find it incredibly naive that you think that as long as GOD judges the pastor later everything is OK. It's madness and that's exactly why I say people are being ripped off. The crazy thing about it is you seem to realise it too, but are scared to stop in case you don't get your blessing later on!

Maybe the problem is that Nigeria is too used to having a COUNTRY with one guy who runs everything (unaccountable), a BUSINESS where the CHAIRMAN is all powerful(unaccountable), So it's taken a step furrther and in the CHURCH the PASTOR is the only one who is in charge??

Please at least give me some hope and argue that some churches do some good. Don;t just tell me that it's not your business how many jacuzzi's the pastor fits in his house! It seems pretty selfish to me to not care when millions of people are giving up what they can't afford and it's being squandered, all in the hope that your BLESSING will come,

I hear your comment about shutting the churches down, but at the same time I'm not sure if that is the answer in the long run.

The solution must be to find a way to educate the masses that they can do something with their lives outside of church. Progress can be made through thinking and working hard and developing all the resources that are here.

I've often thought of what you could set up that like a church brings a lot of people together, harnesses their desire, energy and ability , but actually puts it to some kind of constructive use.

I know it's basic but if the churches really wanted to make a difference why can't they educate people to take more pride in their surroundings. Instead of having an extra hour of prayer get the whole congregation out on the street and clean up the crap. It's a small thing but a start.

It makes me mad and sad that Nigeria seems to willing to be conned in so many ways!

That was one of the best reads I've had in ages!!

Thanks for posting, very insightful, makes you think.

Religion has become a man made control system,

I'm pretty sure that if Jesus was around today most people would view him as another TB Joshua,

He was followed by a few fanatical supporters who were a mixture the sick and outcasts etc.

He performed miracles that most people didn't believe in.

He was not liked by the ESTABLISHED religious orders of the time.

Most people thought that he was wrong, and a bit mad,

Politicians and Pastors are the Two Things Holding Nigeria Back!

The more I think about it the more I believe this is the case. People in Nigeria see the country's natural wealth being stolen and used by the corrupt politicians. Stunting progress and development. The thing that really amazes and baffles me is that whilst seeing this is going on they think that the answer to salvation (both on earth and beyond) is to go to a church and worship a pastor who is bleeding them dry of the little money that they have left.

Between them the two P's are taking most of the countries money and doing very very little with it!

When is Nigeria going to wake up and realise that they can't continue to be ripped off in this manner and get on with doing something constructive with their time / money. Praying for Miracle wealth is never going to get you rich. How many people does anyone actually KNOW who became miraculously wealthy (eg without a lot of hard work). No one I've met ever has!! that is of course except for quite a large number of Landcruiser driving, Italian suit wearing, Big Mansion building, private Jet Flying, No Sense talking - PASTORS!

It's time to stop being so Naive, if you want to worship a God then go ahead and do it, but please drop all of these Mega churches and God Like Pastors, Try and work it out for yourself, then you might see through the facade.

Come on People, If you really want to enjoy a rollercoaster ride of Emotions followed by a Victorious Conclusion then there is only one team to support:


ENGLAND!!!!!

I can already see Peter Crouch coming off the bench to nod home the winner in the final?!?!?!?

Hi,

Thanks for your advice. To be honest you have pretty much summed up our feelings, It's the unknown complication that puts you off and if you have the option then it's not worth the risk, I hope that everything goes well for you.

I'm British and my wife is Nigerian, (although she now also has a British passport). I was interested to see one of your posts in another section where you mentioned you had thought about trying to get a Nigerian passport. I was planning on doing some further investigation into it as so far I have had a real range of advice on the process / requirements. I think I'm going to get a lawyer to look into it and give me a definitive answer. It seems that it's a lot easier as a British women marrying a Nigerian man.

If you know any more let me know.

My Wife is going to be having a baby this year, Our first since moving from the UK a couple of years ago.

We have been searching high and low and asking for advice on where people would recommend as a safe / clean / well equipped hospital / clinic to have a baby in Lagos.

I've just found this forum and thought that maybe some of you out there would be able to help. In an ideal world she doesn't want to go back to the UK for months but from what we've seen so far then maybe she'll have to. If you know better please help!

Oasis, I was wanting Dual citizenship (UK / Nigeria) as I'm a Brit and my wife is Nigerian however the guy at the UK embassy said I would be totally wasting my time and money as he is only aware of one guy in ten years that was accepted and given Nigerian citizenship. I appreciate you may be Nigerian and asking about it from the other angle. I'm referring to becoming a Nigerian Citizen. Good luck anyhow!

Hey Sibli,

I'm very interested in your comment about trying to get a Nigerian passport as a Brit. I am in the same boat and have been trying to get a clear answer from people about what the requirements are for this. They vary from being 10 years in the country to 20 years etc etc. I would be interested to know if you had done any more investigating. I feel a bit hard done by that my wife was able to get her UK passport in just over a year, and I think that if I was a woman married to a Nigerian man it would be easier.