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Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 6:22pm On Jun 03, 2013
thehomer: Yes a lot of them do this but Mr anony has become the paragon of such poor tactics.
Nah you are only frustrated that Mr Anony isn't pursuing after your red herrings
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony:
thehomer: I did not say Wikipedia was the authority, I was simply pointing out that it had been done already from the Bible.
If I presented you with a short summary and a quote from the Bible, you'll complain that it wasn't enough. So, just read that article and tell me whether or not you agree with what is being said there because I agree with it. If you don't agree, then you're welcome to say what you think it means.
Interesting. I didn't know you are now into the prophetic ministry to know exactly what I will say especially since I'm the one insisting that it is more appropriate to discuss biblical things using the bible.
You claim you agree with wikipedia and wikipedia agrees with the bible. You also claim that it is possible for born again people to be murderers in heaven. Would you care to show from scripture how you came to that conclusion?


Okay, just ignore what I said about the murderers. Assume I didn't say anything about that. Note that you were the one claiming that there was no sickness in Heaven. I was simply wondering how you knew this. That was the first question I asked you but as usual, you start trying to avoid answering right from the get-go.
Abeg keep quiet. If it was the question you wanted to ask, why add the red herring since you knew it was irrelevant to the question you wanted to ask in the first place? If you really wanted an answer you should have simply asked the question instead of attaching an irrelevant addon.

I'll answer your question thus: I know there is no sickness in Heaven because that's the how Heaven is by definition. In the same way I know that there is no civilian in the army because that is how the army is by definition. If you think there is sickness in Heaven, you are welcome to show this from scripture
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 8:54am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: How am I alluding.....all those who came from adam have blood running through there veins......

Wrong??.......

Your answer isn't straight forward.......
How do you know this to be true? the bible said "flesh and bone" for some, "flesh and blood" for others and sometimes only "flesh".

You see, the problem with you is that you are applying different criteria for different scripture. If I asked you how you know Jesus Christ was drained of blood, you'll say the bible doesn't mention that he had blood. My challenge to you then is to apply the same criteria to every place where the bible doesn't mention that people have blood or bones starting with Adam and Eve.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 8:39am On Jun 03, 2013
truthislight: two people sent their angels.

And Revelation is about two people.

Cant you see the difference in the description of the two people ?

Keep wishing that that Revelation is talking tutulogy, that it will say worship God and later call that God the son of Devid.

Revelation is about this two persons :

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" (Revelation 1:1).

cheesy
You miss my argument. I am saying that those two persons are one God. I am also saying that Jesus Christ refered to Himself as Alpha and Omega. I can also show you more things from the book of Revelations
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 8:36am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: You know your answer isn't straight forward.....

Your answer is alluding to the fact that Jesus had blood running through his veins after he was ressurected......

Am I right??......
Yes in the same way you are assuming Eve had blood flowing in her veins. That answer is very straightforward
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 8:34am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: Lol........and still you fail.........God is not 3 persons and one being.......God is 1 person and one being.....cheesy.....
And your bible taught you that?


I said I don't use those terminologies to define GOD.......that's what I said......
That's like saying you don't use the terminology 'round' to define a circle

and like I said many scriptures prove God is one being and 1 person........kindly draw out a verse that says God is 1 being but 3 persons........just a verse......
You'll have to show just one verse that proves that God is one person and one being

Lol.......you show me that he existed and that he partially died..........
I didn't say he partially died. I said He died in human form

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison...... 1Peter 3:18-19

Now please tell me again where you read that Christ didn't exist for 3 days

I don't know how you have chosen to twist the definition of death.......
Please feel free to tell me what you mean by death and how it differs from a situation where a man's heart stops beating, his brain cells stop functioning, he stops breathing and all his organs and cells collapse
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 8:18am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: gringrin........keep decieving yourself........

A simple Yes or No answer is making you dance around....grin
As I said, I have already answered you. If you don't like my answer you are always welcome to show exactly what you don't like about it.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:56am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: But I can quote scriptures verbatim that shows God is made up of just one person and not 3 persons...how about that??.....
Another strawman, I never said God is "made up of" I said God is three persons and one being.

And sorry I don't even employ the use of those terms in describing God.......but what we are all sure of is that the 1 GOD is made up of just one person and not 3 persons.......a plethora of scriptural verses can attest to that......
Interesting, so your God is not omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent? Are you sure you even know who God is at all?


And your not getting me..uh??,.....I just gave an instance of things that God cannot do and things that can't happen to GOD......and I am saying if God in human form can be killed(which is an impossibility),then one can say God being human can make him lie..

GOD cannot LIE
GOD cannot diÉ.....

Figure the above.....

May I correct the bolded.....THE ONE TRUE GOD cannot DIE.

Trying to convince one that God can die would be like convincing one that GOD can LIE.........angry



If Jesus did not stop existing then Jesus didn't die my bro and christianity is a sham.....



Take your filthy doctrine off this thread.........

May I bring it to your notice that God the Father is the one GOD I know........and he didn't die......but Jesus died and stopped existing for 3days........
Please show from scripture that Christ did not exist for three days
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:51am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: And was blÓod running in Him??......

Answer and let me go to my work place........
asked and answered
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:48am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: As you at it with genesis please know that flesh and blood and bone cannot inherit the kingdom of the heavens....grin.......

It Ís your colleague here who is insisting the glorified body for heaven is strictly flesh and bone.........
No that's only your strawman
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 6:38am On Jun 03, 2013
musKeeto: Where would this road lead us? Just make your point.
My point has been made already. You possess the special powers of summoning amnesia at will to help you escape arguments

....you also have a special ability to speak volumes and yet say nothing. It is even funny when you challenge people to show that you have expressed an opinion. . .and then you rejoice in the satisfaction that you actually have no opinion.
(see: https://www.nairaland.com/1309069/what-truly-offensive-christians/4#16026751 for reference)


For some weird reason, nailing your buttocks firmly to the fence seems to excite you
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:35am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: What question is this??....for the fact that women who came from her have blood running through there veins so also the mother of all must have....besides all those who came from adam are living souls......
when adam became a living soul was blood not in his system??.......

Lol........I know you know eve had so much blood running through her veins..........and oh you have to think if Jesus had blood in his system after ressurection......because we would want to find out if he was human after ressurection .........
I also know that Jesus rose from the dead in a human body.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:32am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: Ahhh...please where??......can you show me a verse.....just one??.......3 persons but not 3 gods is just out right wayo and false.....
This is a poor way to approach this question. You are assuming that for a thing to be true, there must be one veres that states it verbatim.

I can bet you that you won't see one verse that states verbatim that God is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and all loving. You will have to deduce that by combining multiple verses. Does this mean that the bible doesn't teach it?

Please stop being unreasonable


God in human fo®m??.........and so God in human form can die??.......meaning your proposed GÓd in human fÓrm Ísnt God at the end of the day because God cannot die.......it would be like saying God in human form can LIE......hope you are getting my point...........
This is a category error, and a false equivocation on your part. lying is something you do, dying is something that happens to you.

Furthermore what it means for God to die is very different from what it means for man to die.
What does it mean for man to die? It means; he stops breathing, his heart stops beating, his internal organs stop working and his whole body collapses. Did this happen to Jesus Christ? Yes it did.

Now what does it mean for God to die? God isn't like man whose life depends on working organs. For God to die it simply means that He would stop existing. Did Jesus Christ ever stop existing? No He didn't.

Therefore God in human form died but God in his true essence lives forever.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:10am On Jun 03, 2013
ijawkid: Ahhh!!!!........benalvino insisted that the glorified body of Jesus was flesh and bone.......and so questions had to follow....cheesy

1...But may I ask you....are you insisting Jesus had blood running through his veins??.......
You are still asking this banza? please tell me, are you insisting that Eve had blood running in her veins? If yes, show from scripture.

Its time for you to answer some questions........

2...1 corinthians 15 did affirm that when adam was created he became a living SOUL(animal,flesh and blood)....so I don't have to start thinking tOo much to later see that eve had blood running through her veins......
Lol, where in the bible did you get the definition that a soul is made of flesh and blood? By the way if you are going to answer for Eve like that then I'll also make my deductions and say that according to the bible, the life of a human/animal is in the blood so I don't have to start thinking too much to see that Jesus had blood in His veins when He resurrected.

And for your info my arguments aren't silly....they are infact solid.....
you are entitled to your opinion however wrong it is
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 5:57am On Jun 03, 2013
musKeeto: So my question was in order.
That makes your question all the more redundant because you had previously talked about God's will. Which God's will did you have in mind when you were talking about it?
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 5:48am On Jun 03, 2013
MUSKEETO STARTS TALKING ABOUT GOD
musKeeto: God could also have placed him in a position to sell fake teething mixture to the kids.
Mr anony: I hope you do realize that there is a difference between placing one in a position and the choices one decides to make while in that position
MUSKEETO SHOWS HE KNOWS WHAT GOD HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
musKeeto: Yeah, I do. Would you agree then that man's will may overshadow God's will? God places on in a position to do good, and he ends up doing wrong...
Mr anony: I wouldn't use the word "overshadow" I would rather say that man can go against God's will. Now would you agree that such a man who opposes God by doing evil when he has been placed in a position to do good should rightly deserve to face the full wrath of God's judgment?
MUSKEETO ACTIVATES HIS AMNESIA
musKeeto: Which God?

Should Allah punish those who kill apostates?
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 5:40am On Jun 03, 2013
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 5:37am On Jun 03, 2013
benalvino: I have asked him how Jesus walked on water too... he said no since I said Philip get from city A to city B in a blink of an eye it doesn't apply to passing through walls... you he doesn't even trust the power of God again...
When someone insists on staying blind, allow him. I was really surprised at that answer especially the "no bones" argument. Funny enough his J.W. brother (truthislight) made the exact same argument. . . . it's like that's what they feed them at their kingdom hall.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 5:30am On Jun 03, 2013
truthislight: By the way, are earthly body "flash and bone"(without blood) ?
Pardon me but this is quite a silly answer. consider Genesis 2:23

.....Then Adam said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of a man.

Since blood was also not mentioned here, does this mean Adam and Eve were without blood too?
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 5:23am On Jun 03, 2013
frosbel: I do not need to reinvent the wheel , a brother had earlier responded to this point. Go back a few comments aand peruse.


I have a question for you :

In the garden of Gethsame when Jesus was in agonising prayer , why did he ask for God's will to be done and not his will ?

Surely if God is one and Jesus is God , his will was always to go to the cross ? Why did he have a differing desire of will at this stage ?
Lol, what exactly did this "brother" answer?

Secondly, when Christ was in the flesh He was in the form of a man and had to submit to the will of the Father. Remember the Trinity is 3 persons, 1 being.

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philipians 2:5-11 RSV


Here are a couple of verses you can ponder upon:

I am the LORD, that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another. Isaiah 48:11


Now let me ask you, do you agree with Isaiah 42:8 and Isaiah 48:11? Do you agree that God can never share His glory with another person?
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 4:59am On Jun 03, 2013
musKeeto: That's all they do.
....says the guy with the special powers to develop amnesia at will
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 12:12am On Jun 03, 2013
frosbel: The bible teaches no such thing ,
You are forcing a false teaching into scripture.

How can God die ? God is immortal so he as a complete person cannot die , if he could die , he then becomes mortal.

Stop this illogical nonsense.
I asked you a question here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1303116/trinity-why-it-easier-call/21#16017085

You carefully evaded it only to jump out here to come and shake your tail feathers. Please answer my question in that post first. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 12:02am On Jun 03, 2013
thehomer: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_%28Christianity%29]Wikipedia[/url] has already done that with comparisons among the various Christian sects.
wikipedia is not an authority for christians, the bible is. Now please explain from scripture what it means to be born again. If you cannot, then you have no business debating heaven since you don't know what you are talking about


And he begins once more. A direct question is evaded and he instead poses another question hoping that the direct question will be forgotten. Why don't you answer my question then I'll answer yours? If you don't think the part in bold is relevant, please feel free to ignore it and just answer my question.
Abeg keep quiet joor, you presented your contention that sickness might be in heaven by arguing that murderes might be in heaven after getting born again. If you cannot show the link between the two starting by first showing that you have a good biblical understanding of what it means to be born again then your contention is moot.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 11:39pm On Jun 02, 2013
ijawkid: The bolded is where the ¶roblem lies......why can't the 3 persons be 3 Gods??.......
But the bible teaches that they are 3 persons yet one God

We've discussed the trinÍty extensively on so many occasions here.........what more is knew......??.....I can remember the last time we discussed you said God can die......smh!!!!!......
Interesting, so it is now strawman time abi. I said God in human form can die as a man. How does that contradict God's eternal nature?
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 11:34pm On Jun 02, 2013
ijawkid: The questions I'm asking which are sincere is :::

1...How could he have passed through a locked room??..

2..How would those who were decapitated,bomb blasted,maimed and amputated go to heaven??...would they just have there bloods drained and then off to heaven with there perforated,maimed and splintered flesh and bones??....

3...What about those who are flesh already who would witness the end come and have to change bodies to go to heaven??.....why the need for the change of body and to what body??...remember these ones wouldn't even experience death so as to beg for ressurection.....if there is a need for a change would they just have there blood drained off and then off to heaven since they have there flesh and bone intact??.....

These are questions begging for answers........
this is an example of you being unnecessarily dubious

1. How did Philip teleport to Azotus?

2. Ezekiel 37

3. This is just you purposely playing dumb. Are you saying that because Jesus didn't specifically mention blood, therefore blood is drained out of resurrected bodies? What kind of dirty pretentious argument tactic is that?
Let us test your argument:
In Matt 16:17, people didn't have bones because Jesus said to Peter "flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you"
in Joel 2:28, people had neither bones nor blood because God was pouring out His Spirit upon all flesh only
In Genesis 2:23, Eve is drained of blood because Adam only called her the "flesh of his flesh and bone of his bones.

See how silly your argument is looking now? Please try and argue honestly it doesn't help an argument if the two sides are actively and deliberately trying their best to misunderstand each other.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony:
Boomark: angry
That did not harmonize my Rev 3:12(Jesus calling the Father his God). Cow should make use of cow legs not chicken legs.

Anyway, for a harmonious harmonicity of your Rev 22:12-13, i give you this Rev 1:1 and you must know about this Col 1:19-20. No one edited or modified the Rev God gave. No cutting corners for this one. grin
Lol, I think the problem lies with you. You'll now have to explain how there are two alpha and omega and how come one alpha and omega calls the other alpha and omega His God.
Christianity EtcRe: What Is Truly Offensive To Christians? by Mranony: 11:05pm On Jun 02, 2013
Logicboy03: I guess a guilty conscience is a strong thing. I did not expect Jesoul to comment on this thread since she normally avoids my threads. I guess 7 pages of most people not agreeing with her decision (except for Ihedinobi) is quite a political problem.

some few things to note.

-Even at the old rules Alexleos thread should have been banned.
-Jesoul took her precious time to address Ihedinobi, the only person to really support her decision.


Thanks for putting on the mature act by jumping on my thread and being the only commenter not to even address me or the op.....the op was not about your generous moderating skills.

Very mature.....not douchey at all.


Thread closed smiley
Oh my goodness, you are such a crybaby
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 11:04pm On Jun 02, 2013
ijawkid: And what do you have to say about verse 16??.........

Jesus being the root of david and the bright and morning star.........those are titles that the LORD GOD almighty can't bear.......

The problem you guys are having is not having the time to distinguish Yahweh from his son Jesus even when The very first chapter Ànd verse of revelation has already laid down the fact that Jesus is not the almighty GOD........

First and Last is a title that is neither exclusive to the Father nor the son nor anybody..........people can become first and last in so many ways....

Reading from the first verse of chapter 22 you would find out that both Yahweh,Jesus,the angel and john all spoke and it is our turn to decipher who is speaking and who certain expressions should be a pointer to............

Like I said earlier...considering revelation 1:1 §olves the whole wahala........

The one person who is the LORD GOD almighty in revelation consistently remains Yahweh who is the God of Jesus(revelation 3:12,revelation 1:1).......

This is an extra scripture to hit the nail on the head........

Revelation 19:6...

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And I heard as it were the voice
of a great multitude, and as the
voice of many waters, and as the
voice of mighty thunderings,
saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God
omnipotent reigns
.

There praise JAH or YAH(Yahweh) was even used and attached to the one who is all-powerful.....it is obvious Jesus can't be the all powerful GOD since he himself(Jesus) recieves power from the Father and that Jesus isn't Yahweh(since Jesus has his own personal name different from that of his Father).......

And again the inconsistent use of the almighty's name has caused more damage than help to bible students.......

See how this araimac translation renders rev 19:6

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
(©2010)
And I heard a sound like that of
many multitudes, and like the
sound of many waters and like the
sound of mighty thunders saying,
“Hallelujah! For THE LORD
JEHOVAH God Almighty reigns!


Imagine if all the renderings in the world had consistently used Gods name we wouldn't be having this whole discussion.....because it is obvious that everybody's GOD and the GOD of Jesus is no one other than Yahweh....


You can't just jump on the title alpha and omega or first and Last to say its Jesus......you have to find out who the title is applying to.....because first and last is just a title...

consider revelation and see that when the title first and last is used for Jesus,immediately it quickly explains how he is the first and last.......firstborn from the dead.....no one else except Jesus can be the firstborn from the dead and none would be after him.....

And when used for Yahweh it explains his almightiness and no one matching up to Him(being the almighty) read isaiah 44:6 to see the point...........Before and after Yahweh there would be no GOD...no rival,no equal to Him...

You guys should shove the trinity dogma aside and consider revelation 1:1 first before coming to a conclusion....

And in all of this first and last wahala the holy spirit once again is missing...abi him no be first and last in a special way??....grin.....

I remember we both battled out this particular discussion months ago......

Remember??......cheesy
I don't see how your rant here applies to anything I hold. I have never said that The Father and The Son and the Holy Ghost are the same person rather that they are 3 persons and yet one being. God

By the way I noticed you have started your version jumping tricks again. Are you interested in an honest discussion about the nature of God?
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 10:55pm On Jun 02, 2013
truthislight: There are two persons that sent their angels.

The first person is in vers 6, you skip that, it is the person in vers 6 that is the alpha and Omega.

After that, Jesus then sent his angel.

Please, cool down and read from vers 6.

Peace
Interesting, so the person in verse 6 is coming quickly or is it Jesus who is coming? Or maybe Jesus said He was coming and then paused so that God the Father can jump in mid-sentence and say "I am the Alpha and Omega" Then Jesus continued from there?

Stop deceiving yourself
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 9:58pm On Jun 02, 2013
thehomer: I know what it means but I don't see how that tells you that there's actually no sickness in Heaven. You're welcome to say what you think it means but it doesn't address the question. If the devil could hang in there long enough to influence other angels, then I don't think anything can be ruled out even there.
you said:
thehomer: How do you know there's no sickness in Heaven? If God will be accepting murderers who just "accepted Jesus" before their execution, who knows what they'll do to people they encounter in Heaven.
To accept Christ is the same as to get born again. You claim you know what it means to get born again. Care to explain through scripture because if you cannot, I'll take it that you neither know what it means to get born again nor what heaven is like.

Secondly I am amused that you would ask how my question relates to whether or not there'll be sickness in heaven, perhaps I should ask you how the bold relates to whether or not there will be sickness in Heaven.
Christianity EtcRe: Dear Atheist, Do You Feel The Need To Be Thankful? by Mranony: 9:28pm On Jun 02, 2013
thehomer: How do you know there's no sickness in Heaven? If God will be accepting murderers who just "accepted Jesus" before their execution, who knows what they'll do to people they encounter in Heaven.
do you know what it means to be born again? or perhaps the more important question is; do you want to know?
Christianity EtcRe: What Is Truly Offensive To Christians? by Mranony: 9:26pm On Jun 02, 2013
Logicboy03: In Anony's mind, saying that murderers and rap.ists are justified by atheism is not abuse. It is fair.


You people have no shame.


Then, tommorow you people will strut on threads on morality as if you have any honest fiber in your body. Azzhole
Does atheism prohibit murderers and ra[color=#000000]pis[/color]ts?

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