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KingEbukasBlog:
Help me ask am oo .

Everybody is now claiming deism oo

Make them go sit down .

We go pay attention the day they start countering atheists arguments though there is nothing serious they table as arguments . The deists are usually the allies of theists not atheists .

KingEbukasBlog:
An atheist booty licking deist like 4kings ?

All you deist wannabes take your L in peace

KingEbukasBlog:
So what's the percentage since you said it is not hundred percent ?



An agnostic atheist is a person who holds the view that the existence of a deity cannot be proven nor disproven, but personally leans towards the idea of there not being one . He has made his conclusion based on lack of contrary evidence to convince him ergo an appeal to ignorance fallacy .

KingEbukasBlog:
Religious skeptic crew you mean ? Everyone is a religious skeptic in one way or the other .

The proper skeptics are the agnostics : they extend the skepticism to atheism not just theism .

You claim to be an agnostic , but I never seen you impugn atheism

That's why I don't believe you or MrMontella are agnostics . You are just being evasive .

KingEbukasBlog:
Totally different . You started talking about "deistic god" and whatnot

lacking belief but without a conclusion that the
disbelief is 100% certain...

Nope . Agnostics just dither , they aint making a conclusion like the agnostic atheist

An agnostic atheist is a person who holds the view
that the existence of a deity cannot be proven nor
disproven, but personally leans towards the idea
of there not being one

Apparently you need it

KingEbukasBlog:
What the ...

You have started again

An agnostic atheist is a person who holds the view that the existence of a deity cannot be proven nor disproven, but personally leans towards the idea of there not being one

This is an appeal to ignorance na ...

He personally leans towards that no God exists because there is no contrary evidence.


I'm not sure what they smoke at Montella world wide but its certainly not common sense

randomperson:
Oh... God is so thoughtful! I guess when he banned menstruating women from entering the temple too, it was for their own good??

KingEbukasBlog:
What is agnostic atheism?

Diagoras declared the were no gods , that's why he's called the 'first atheist'

KingEbukasBlog:
No no no .Don't play any games here .

Atheism as we know it , logical or not ?

I've already showed how agnostic atheism is a fallacy and why its a coined term that makes no sense

The "founders" of atheism never associated gnostic or agnostic to atheism : these are modern inventions.

They were atheists : they don't believe in God or they rejected gods like Diagoras of Melos and his buddies . So , is that position logical or not ?

KingEbukasBlog:
All these gnostic whatever were just coined terms . They do not reflect in reality . An atheist is one who has rejected the existence of God or he believes there is no God . He is conscious and explicit about his decision .

So is the atheism we all know logical or not ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Agnostic atheism is an appeal to ignorance - since I have not seen evidence for God , therefore God does not exist or since there is no contrary evidence , I'm gona say God does not exist .

Let's be clear : is atheism logical or not ? No circumlocution please .

jonbellion:
so what's your take on them Are they: A. The product of a fallen sinful world caused by the ancestors they never knew B. Divine retribution for something their parents did C. The Abrahamic God's idea of a joke Or D.A product of nature that is neither partial nor caring

Pidgin2:
Imagine if everyone was an athiest, the world will be filled with morally corrupt thinking people like you dear, thank God for Jesus

KingEbukasBlog:
Religious skepticism not skepticism .





The extremely powerful uncaused necessarily existing non-contingent non physical immaterial eternal being who created the universe and everything in it.

The atheist position is that this being does not exist.

So which is logical as an agnostic and why

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol bro . That was a typo . I modified it .

Don't get me wrong . An atheist can be skeptical about any religion . The same way I as a Christian can be skeptical about any other religion . A Muslim can be skeptical about any other religion .

I'm not sure why atheists here are fixated on religious skepticism . We Christians can do so about Islam , Muslims can do the same thing on Christianity . See ? It makes no sense.

An atheist is one who believes there is no God

so he should be fixated on questioning the existence of God not questioning why snakes or donkey talked in the bible . It clearly has nothing to do with God's existence though those beliefs can be explained.

Christianity , Islam , Deism etc all have different conceptions about God : this what any profound theologian will tell you .

Let's focus on the argument : the rationale behind the existence of God vs the rationale behind the non existence of God . Which is reasonable ? And your reasons why the other is a logical position

Ranchhoddas:
Psychological blackmail does not work on me. Try again!

Ranchhoddas:
You be mumu I swear.

hopefulLandlord:
where is Nigeria?

KingEbukasBlog:
I explained on that link that any religious person can be skeptical about beliefs outside his religion . So this does not concern atheism . Atheism is against gods not necessarily religion because an atheist can be in religion . I gave examples : Steve Jobs and Sir Tim Berners-Lee as atheists in religion

Deism which acknowledges the existence of God is also skeptical about religion

. See ? Religious skepticism has absolutely nothing to do with religion

So leave religion alone and deal with the rationale behind the acknowledge the existence of God .

Try again

KingEbukasBlog:
It has a thousand and one explanation , it depends on your perspective .

But a universe coming from utter nothingness has no reasonable explanation . Where do the laws of the nature come from , where do the laws of quantum mechanics come from ? And the propensity of the universe to develop into this type of form and to be life permitting , how did it get that ?

Most atheists don't even bother, they are concerned with attacking you for taking a way more reasonable and logical position : a self existent enormously powerful creator brought the universe into being .

And I wanted to know with this thread , what makes atheism reasonable ?

Remember atheism or agnosticism is not religious skepticism as explained here : https://www.nairaland.com/3553546/religious-skeptics-not-atheists#52520910

So leave me transfixed

KingEbukasBlog:
Don't mind them , they believe in fairy tales

felixomor:
Lies.
Stop jumping the order of my questions.
I asked you because of the claims you have made severally on this forum with your old moniker "raphiemontella" (the moniker u have deleted because of the plenty rubbish the moniker vomitted on daily basis)

That time, u claimed that the bible was a "fairytale".

And now u came here to claim you read Tacitus to validate existence (a book u have not even read)

Just because u wanted to play wikipedia smart.
Your same wikipedia that refused to work some threads ago.

It is also logical, for u to have used the book to construct your arguments on Jesus.
But you cannot. Why?
because we all know IT WAS A LIE.

YOU HAVE NEVER READ TACITUS.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS FALSE.
YOU CALL A BOOK A FAIRYTALE yet u keep constructing arguments from it?

How many real life arguments have u constructed from Harry Potter?
How many have u constructed from Superman?

Mscheww.

MrPRevailer:
Firstly, all your ill spoken words against me and the children of God BACK TO SENDER in Jesus name.

I am a virgin. However you don't have to be a virgin to enter heaven. What you need is repentance, Salvation and Holiness.
Thirdly, ''wickedness' is the bible's language for sin/unrighteousness.
Psalm7:12 The wicked shall be turned into he'll and all the nation that forget God'. (ADDRESSED)

Now such Christians you speak of who practise such things with disdain are biblically termed Backsliders. They were in the way before but have gone out of the way. And become probably worse than before they became Christians. 'Even demons believe There is God and tremble.'

So Christinaity is not simply Identity driven. It is.......CHARACTER DRIVEN.

felixomor:
I am expecting you to reference Jesus fron where u claimed u read about him.
Or is it not from Tacitus u read about him again?

Why did u not do so?

felixomor:
There is nothing like benefit of doubt here.
You already admitted he was saying the truth.

Besides since this is the account of Jesus that you believed,

WHY DID U NOT USE HIS WORK AS THE REFERENCE FOR THIS THREAD OF YOURS?

felixomor:
This is serious. So how do you know that Tacitus annal is not a fairytale? Besides where did u get a copy of tacitus's annal?

felixomor:
. Abeg how did u know he existed? Where did u read about him?

blueAgent:
Why do you athiests depend on lies inorder to gain ground in an argument?
Lasttime i checked Japan was over 80% religeous.
Japan has full religious freedom based on Article 20 of its Constitution. Upper estimates suggest that 84–96 percent of the Japanese population subscribe to Shinto as its indigenous religion (50% to 80% of which considering degrees of syncretism with Buddhism, shinbutsu-shūgō [226]). However, these estimates are based on people affiliated with a temple, rather than the number of true believers. The number of Shinto shrines in Japan is estimated to be around 100,000. Other studies have suggested that only 30 percent of the population identify themselves as belonging to a religion.[227] According to Edwin Reischauer and Marius Jansen, some 70– 80% of the Japanese do not consider themselves believers in any religion. Nevertheless, the level of participation remains high, especially during festivals and occasions such as the first shrine visit of the New Year. Taoism and Confucianism from China have also influenced Japanese beliefs and customs.[228] Japanese streets are decorated on Tanabata, Obon and Christmas.[226] Shinto is the largest religion in Japan, practiced by nearly 80% of the population, yet only a small percentage of these identify themselves as "Shintoists" in surveys. This is due to the fact that "Shinto" has different meanings in Japan: most of the Japanese attend Shinto shrines and beseech kami without belonging to Shinto organisations, and since there are no formal rituals to become a member of folk "Shinto", "Shinto membership" is often estimated counting those who join organised Shinto sects. Shinto has 100,000 shrines and 78,890 priests in the country. Buddhism first arrived in Japan in the 6th century; it was introduced in the year 538 or 552[229] from the kingdom of Baekje in Korea.

felixomor:
@ the op, Do you believe Jesus existed?
Why are u still copying and pasting what you call "fairytale"? Ahn?

asuustrike2009:
Move this to the religion sector.

kilo4sure:
His purpose there was to show to them their hypocrisy or cherry picking of the laws( as the atheists love to call it), he was saying that they twist the laws and are liberal with it when it seems too harsh or doesn't suit them hence they cannot criticize him for his views on the law and how liberal he is with certain aspects of it. For example, the Pharisees were on the extreme when they criticized Jesus for healing on the sabbath, that was certainly their own interpretation as well as with other petty things, hence Jesus to them was like a law breaker, so it's no wonder Jesus exposed the hypocrisy in them.