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KingEbukasBlog:
Mister , you claimed that the two ways souls are created in Christianity are non biblical and that I was I assuming , please can you state the biblical one ?

I strongly doubt you even read before you rebut , you just type anything : you make weak outlandish claims , honestly

So please can you state biblical ways souls are created in Christianity since you say what I posted is non biblical ?

Richirich713:
Its not critical guy, if objective morality is true - all that would mean is that what is right or wrong is independent of custom or opinion. My opinion included.

As to ur question, if we defining self-defence as defending the health and well-being of oneself from harm, then yeah I think there are cases where it would be morally wrong.

U the one who's appealing to specific gods, all I said was objective morality cannot exist without God(a moral law giver).

At this point I'm not sure what u evens trying to refute, are u saying that Morality is not objective or are u saying that u don't need God for morality to be objective?

I don't know why u evens brought it up, I think disagreements between humans are irrelevant to whether objective morality exists. I don't see any reason to think we will be infallible in our moral judgments if morality was objective.

4kings:
I DOUBT anyone heard of the idea of "virgin birth" in the first century.

KingEbukasBlog:
Your just talking nonsense . How are souls created since the two reasons I gave are non biblical ?

Mark 7 Good News Translation (GNT)
8 “You put aside God's command and obey human teachings.”
9 And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God's law in order to uphold your own teaching.
10 For Moses commanded, ‘Respect your father and your
mother,’ and, ‘If you curse your father or your mother, you are to be put to death
11 But you teach that if people have something they could use to help their father or mother, but say, ‘This is Corban’ (which means, it belongs to God)
12 they are excused from helping their father or mother
13 In this way the teaching you pass on to others cancels out
the word of God And there are many other things like this that you do.”

KingEbukasBlog:
There are two main ways Christians believe souls are being created by God.

1. Creationism : Souls are created at the moment of conception

2. Traducianism : Souls are created through reproductive process

Now if you choose creationism , the bible said that God has stopped creating : this makes it impossible that Christ incarnated since he has pre-existed

. If you choose Traducianism it also makes it impossible that Christ incarnated since the soul is begotten through a reproductive process involving the human parents..

Christianity can't decide which it is but in both cases , it is impossible for Christ to have incarnated through those ways .

I can't give a biological explanation for virgin birth since it defies the laws of nature but God transcends the laws of nature and can interfere to achieve His aim .

KingEbukasBlog:
Guy!

I've explained the two ways to see this .

Philippians 2:6-7
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[a] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[b] being born in the likeness of men.

How will Paul believe the literal birth of Christ when he clearly supported the preeminence of Christ

Colossians 1:15-20
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by[a] him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Does this look like someone who supports the literal birth ?

And again , "literal birth" will make it impossible for God's spirit to incarnate as man . It has to be done through virgin birth .

Pay attention to these two quotations

KingEbukasBlog:
You and your knee-jerk responses .

Christ was not adopted from someone whom he should have been hereditarily tied to therefore he is Joseph's legal son since He was born as the son of Mary by blood and Mary was married to Joseph .

Then primarily , the title “Son of David” is more than a statement of physical genealogy : whether you agree with this or not does not change anything

I'm not sure why I'm even arguing about this .

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't think you actually understand what you are arguing against . I am saying that there is no way Jesus came from Joseph's sperm then my link explains what the expression "seed of David" means : Primarily, the title “Son of David” is more than a statement of physical genealogy

Secondly , since Christ has no father to bear his surname before his adoption , he then becomes solely the legal son of Joseph .

Ps : Read and understand next time

dalaman:
KingEbukasBlog doesn't want to believe that 4kings is a deist

KingEbukasBlog:
You are on a thread created by me on being without religion and acknowledging the existence of God and somehow you think I'm equating irreligion to atheism?

You are 4kings' fidus Achates , no wonder both of you think alike

The answer is that Christ
(the Messiah) was the fulfillment of the
prophecy of the seed of David (2 Samuel 7:12– 16). Jesus is the promised Messiah, which means He had to be of the lineage of David....through Joseph, Jesus’
legal father.
Jesus
is a descendant of David by adoption through
Joseph

and by blood through Mary. “As to his
earthly life [Christ Jesus] was a descendant of
David” (Romans 1:3).

KingEbukasBlog:
There is evidence for the existence of God .

Please make your researches on the complexity of life alone and then ask yourself if you are in your right senses to deny the existence of God .

Please don't respond with 'who designed the designer' BS as if that has anything to do with acknowledging that indeed the complexity of life should be attributed to an eternal designer .

Atheist logic : because we can't understand the complexity of the eternal designer , therefore the life and the universe were not designed.

Romans 1 King James Version (KJV)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh;

KingEbukasBlog:
your hate for God may put you in a really bad position one day

4kings:
I know that one too... Ebuka no dey hear word.

4kings:
This is the first time I'm hearing this.
Please do post your source.

From what I've read oo.
Ebionites did not believe in virgin birth and the resurrection.
They considered Jesus as a man, that's why I said, a rabbi was probably decorated too much by the Romans.

If the ebionites didn't believe in Jesus divinity, then this should be evidence of eyewitness of another man or no eyewitness of Jesus.
Another would be that this were just popular fiction at that time.

They clearly were worshipping "Yahweh", therefore you would be considered heretic for believing that a mere man is your salvation, as propagated by the Romans.

KingEbukasBlog:
You said there is no evidence supporting a Personal God







Anyway , there are a thousand and one evidences that God interacts with men . The problem with you atheists is that you never want to consider the evidence brought forward.

Pastafarian:
lol, Kingebukasblog NEVER makes sense when arguing for Christianity, only when arguing for deism does he make sense

randomperson:
Or if u have a serious injury and u are bleeding profusely, don't go to hospital or look for medical help... Just pray!

Trippledee:
Prayer is a powerful weapon

dalaman:
Moral absolutes were declared by humans. Rape is wrong because it inflicts pains on the victims. Human beings have the ability to sell reflect and empathize with others, that is why over the years we evolve some moral absolutes. Morality must be learned.

Even your God did not see any thing wrong with rape as he rewards rapist with their victims as marriage partners. Humans thought themselves some moral absolutes.

Societies that believe in no deities thought themselves that as well. Buddhist have no deities but they have all come to see rape as a bad thing through consensus.

Human beings didn't just start with believing that rape was wrong. They had to be taught that rape was wrong. The bible doesn't see rape as wrong. God told the Jews to take virgins in the lands they won over as war booty.

But our morality has evolved so much that today we look at that ancient Jews and piss at their way of life. Morality is a man made concept and as such it is man that has to define it, accept it and enforce it.

Richirich713:
Any form of subjective morality is subjective? Thats my whole point and problem with subjective morality

Is this obscure - "Moral objectivism is the position that moral truths exist independantly from opinion."

Killing in self defense is not murder.

I don't considered ur test to be adequate, it assumes that if morality is objective there would be no disagreement over it, that everyone would agree but this doesn't follow, we disagree over whether God exist but that doesn't mean neither of us are objectively right about reality. Here's two reasons why I considered muhammad marriage to aisha as immoral, he was in his 50s and she had not reached puberty.

Yes we disagree over whether polygamy is immoral, but that doesn't mean morality is not objective. Lots of muslims disagree with isis interpretation of the quran, yet no one would say therefore no interpretation of the quran is correct.

felixomor:
Quiet, u never learn There is nothing like atheistic religion. Only those that are indifferent...
I even wonder if u even know what that means.

DoctorAlien:
No "atheist" has been able to give us the reason why rape or murder is bad absolutely. Could it be that they are not really moral subjectivists as they claim?

felixomor:
Do a little research,
Nigerian Constitution was copied from british
Of course british was gotten from Christian/Judaism laws and likewise other european nations, also likewise america......etc

The list goes on...
Good and evil stems from religion

Overtime, arguments from liberals is what has even made some little changes...
Atheism has no business with good and evil.

babseg:
Islam came into existence after 600 years of having Christians. Islam copied virtually everything from the old and new testament.

if Christianity doesn't exist Islam wont.

Omudia11:
Olodo, even Saudi without terrorism still had hundreds of thousands of Christians. So what's your point? Did anyone tell you they forcefully converted them? Olodo!

The differen between Christianity and Islam is that you Jesus is alive and Mohammed is dead.

SirWere:



hahn said he has an idea for something like this.....

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On a sidebar, Jack, if you want quick fame, you can easily just open a blog and say :

21 yr old ATHIEST turns Christian after 29 years professing atheism (if we can have an 80 year old young lady; this should be too hard ) . "God slapped me"; he claims.

Then you can write a book with an apt title like. "From knowing to believing" or "That Rationality of religion".
Of course, these books can be a newer version of the same old flawed arguments put forward by apologists to defend their faith. E no concern you.
Just spice it up with anecdotes. You know how humans love anecdotes!!
Create a Youtube page and come back on NL as a firebrand christian.
Persuade Nairaland atheists to help your ministry....and if they agree; they drop their reason and claim religion saved them.

By that time, you'll be famous and well known.

Your blogs will be getting a million views and your name will be used up an dan in debates.

Drop some juicy quotes too...

"When a man stop reasoning...only then he begins to see the truth for what it is"

"I used to believe in evolution. But one day I asked myself : How is it that my hands are the right length, shape and width; to scratch my balls It was then I realized : Nature cannot give me such a perfect tools to scratch my balls from randomness. Something must have given me a perfect scrotum toucher. Something......or someone

and other quotes like that.
They'll love it!!

If you want to go a step further, you can publish more books like "The Divine slap : 21 ways to make God hit your face with success" and other "inspiriationals".

They'll love it

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P.S : I hope no one will use this thread to say Atheists need churches because they still believe God. I sincerely hope not

Richirich713:
Moral subjectivism is the view that what is morally right and good for an individual, A, is whatever A believes is morally right and good. Thus, if Andy believes that murder is always wrong, and Jennifer believes that it is not always wrong, according to moral subjectivism murder is always wrong for Andy and is not always wrong for Jennifer. And this is why I say there's no real right and wrong on subjective morality

Objective morality says that nonsense, murder is really wrong for all of us regardless if we think otherwise. Andy can believe all he wants that murder is right, that wouldn't make it right. Just like he can believe all he wants that 2+2=9 that wouldn't make it right.

U missing the point, saying morality is objective just means that there is objective truth in morality, not that I would suddenly know all those moral truths.

And I don't evens think muslims believe in objective morality since they usually appeal to culture differences to respond to that.